Australian baseballer shot dead in OKC.

[CardiacKemba]

A 22 y/o Australian living in the US on a baseball scholarship was shot dead by three teenagers while he was out jogging. The teens have stated 'they just felt like shooting someone'. Yes I'm aware there is plenty of crime and gun crime in the world every day but is something such as this, an unprovoked attack so common these days? It's been all over the news here in Australia, has it received much, if any, media attention over there? Condolences to him and his family.

[HarryCallahan]

IYeah I saw that. I had to re-read it a couple of times, because it seems like a bunch of words from different stories just mashed into one.

Australian/ Baseball player/ under scholarship/ Drive-by/ Oklahoma.

[CardiacKemba]

IYeah I saw that. I had to re-read it a couple of times, because it seems like a bunch of words from different stories just mashed into one.

Australian/ Baseball player/ under scholarship/ Drive-by/ Oklahoma.

Has it made much noise over there?

[9erempiree]

I wish the baseball player was armed. Criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what. These teenagers, whom are not old enough to buy a gun, got a hold of a gun.:facepalm

It really pisses me off. These stupid senseless crimes.

[Balla_Status]

Bored teenagers with bad parents. Nothing more to say really.

Duncan, OK is just a small country town with peaceful people.

[niko]

I wish the baseball player was armed. Criminals will get their hands on guns no matter what. These teenagers, whom are not old enough to buy a gun, got a hold of a gun.:facepalm

It really pisses me off. These stupid senseless crimes.
You're such a dick. Someone died. It's not funny. You want to troll about guns, so you use someone ****ing dying to post your stupid shit. This isn't Lebron vs. Kobe.

What the **** is wrong with you to be such a disgusting person? Even worse, you crafted a disgusting persona on the web. It's not even real, you just want people to look at you. Strangers.

You're really a dick.

[andremiller07]

This is why you stay in Australia and not leave for America

[millwad]

You're such a dick. Someone died. It's not funny. You want to troll about guns, so you use someone ****ing dying to post your stupid shit. This isn't Lebron vs. Kobe.

What the **** is wrong with you to be such a disgusting person? Even worse, you crafted a disgusting persona on the web. It's not even real, you just want people to look at you. Strangers.

You're really a dick.

Spot on, Niko.

The guy is such a trashy person..

[Kuma]

Cowardly act. I can't stand cowards like this.

[Budadiiii]

There's just too many people in this world for stuff like this not to happen.

****ing guy had his whole life ahead of him and it is abruptly cut short for no reason other than these primal animals urge to kill a random guy. RIP and my condolences to the family

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Has it made much noise over there?
not a peep. 24/7 coverage of the prince buckling in his child.

[Styles p]

reminds me what happened to this guy a town over from mine.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/delray_beach/dustin-deckard-delray-beach-murder-victim-was-former-wrestling-champ-who-battled-addiction
****ing scumbags.

[DeuceWallaces]

Has it made much noise over there?

First I've heard of it.

[CardiacKemba]

not a peep. 24/7 coverage of the prince buckling in his child.

Which is why I asked the question, is this more common than maybe I fathom? But maybe it's a good thing that these kids aren't getting a name for themselves in the public eye, it might have been what they were after?

In Sydney, you would hear on the news if someone was shot at in Perth (other side of the country).

[OldSkoolball#52]

The victim was white so this is considered far, far, FAR less important to the american left than if the victim were, say, black and the shooters were white.

When an an innocent white guy is murdered for no other reason than the "enjoyment" of despicable, worthless social feces... Well thats just business as usual. Nothin to see here folks, no cause for alarm. Lets all just try to be tolerant and not judge these shooters.

****ing christ this gets my blood boiling. And two of these kids were frequent, known delinquents. They should have never been around this long to begin with, thy should have been sent to an island to ****ing rot and die.




Sorry. I lost my tolerance for a second. I temporarily forgot it was a white guy senselessly murdered and I started to get angered. Give me a minute to regather my tolerance and remember this is acceptable because of, umm.. tolerance.

[MavsSuperFan]

The victim was white so this is considered far, far, FAR less important to the american left than if the victim were, say, black and the shooters were white.

When an an innocent white guy is murdered for no other reason than the "enjoyment" of despicable, worthless social feces... Well thats just business as usual. Nothin to see here folks, no cause for alarm. Lets all just try to be tolerant and not judge these shooters.

****ing christ this gets my blood boiling. And two of these kids were frequent, known delinquents. They should have never been around this long to begin with, thy should have been sent to an island to ****ing rot and die.




Sorry. I lost my tolerance for a second. I temporarily forgot it was a white guy senselessly murdered and I started to get angered. Give me a minute to regather my tolerance and remember this is acceptable because of, umm.. tolerance.

way to beat that strawman.

seriously though this is really said. I hope they throw the book at these teens. They should be charged as adults for this crime, if the facts are as it seems.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Which is why I asked the question, is this more common than maybe I fathom? But maybe it's a good thing that these kids aren't getting a name for themselves in the public eye, it might have been what they were after?

In Sydney, you would hear on the news if someone was shot at in Perth (other side of the country).


America is the melting pot we are all dutifully and unwaveringly proud of. Violence is something we've become desensitized to it thanks to some of the ingredients in our pot.

Everyone put on your big plastic "tolerance" smile! :cheers:

[MavsSuperFan]

Which is why I asked the question, is this more common than maybe I fathom? But maybe it's a good thing that these kids aren't getting a name for themselves in the public eye, it might have been what they were after?

In Sydney, you would hear on the news if someone was shot at in Perth (other side of the country).

Shootings in America are far more common than any other developed first world nation, hell most nations actually.

Only 3 rd world countries are more violent than america.

[longhornfan1234]

This is Obama nation. More violence on tv, more single parent homes, and teachers just collecting check. :cry:

[East_Stone_Ya]

the one who pulled the trigger should be shot to death as well..an eye for an eye ****..Too many criminals in the prison already should start to execute those who have life sentence :mad:

[moaz]

....

Sorry. I lost my tolerance for a second....

Don't need to feel sorry, you've never had any

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Which is why I asked the question, is this more common than maybe I fathom? But maybe it's a good thing that these kids aren't getting a name for themselves in the public eye, it might have been what they were after?

In Sydney, you would hear on the news if someone was shot at in Perth (other side of the country).
the story actually picked up steam here in the u.s. this morning. cnn is reporting it today.

[rezznor]

it's on cnn now. idiot kids. they need to be tried as adults


http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[bagelred]

Strangely, I've seen no mention of the race of the murderers. Hmmmmm.....that's odd......I guess we'll never know what race they are.

[bagelred]

reminds me what happened to this guy a town over from mine.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/delray_beach/dustin-deckard-delray-beach-murder-victim-was-former-wrestling-champ-who-battled-addiction
****ing scumbags.

That sucks. What was the race of the murderers in this case? There was no mention, again.

[DCL]

Shootings in America are far more common than any other developed first world nation, hell most nations actually.

Only 3 rd world countries are more violent than america.


too lazy to look it up, but you can probably google.

actually, quite a number of cities in the US rank HIGHER than a lot of 3rd world countries for these kinds of crimes...

[rezznor]

Strangely, I've seen no mention of the race of the murderers. Hmmmmm.....that's odd......I guess we'll never know what race they are.

According to the Herald Sun, the accused are being held in Stephens County Jail and are due to be charged today.
Chief Ford said one of the suspects had admitted to the killing, but refused to divulge who had pulled the trigger.
One of the alleged murderers is said to be white and the other two are black.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2397100/Australian-student-Chris-Lane-shot-dead-US-3-teenagers-fun-it.html#ixzz2cW8cSPsz
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook..

[rezznor]

[QUOTE]On one of the alleged killer's Facebook pages, investigators found the message: "Bang. Two drops in two hours," Sky News reports.
"I think they were on a killing spree. We would have had more bodies that night if we didn't get them,

[rezznor]

Chancey Luna – thats the kid who shot Mr. Lane. His brother was recently banned from a support page from facebook for his conduct. His brothers name is Lane Frost Luna.

https://www.facebook.com/lane.c.luna
https://www.facebook.com/chancey.luna?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/blackcoon44/photos

the alleged killers. these haven't been verified yet, but i'm sure we'll all know for sure soon.

https://profile-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hprofile-frc1/c55.55.685.685/s160x160/1003990_397744666998586_1371043770_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c30.30.373.373/s160x160/7442_393256440785016_573835482_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/551040_533663733366477_1734713067_n.jpg

[nightprowler10]

What a bunch of ****heads. And what a waste of life.

[East_Stone_Ya]

the alleged killers. these haven't been verified yet, but i'm sure we'll all know for sure soon.

https://profile-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hprofile-frc1/c55.55.685.685/s160x160/1003990_397744666998586_1371043770_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c30.30.373.373/s160x160/7442_393256440785016_573835482_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/551040_533663733366477_1734713067_n.jpg


all of them to

http://www.drsharma.ca/wp-content/uploads/sharma-obesity-deathrow.jpg

[rezznor]

comments from that last guy's facebook page

[QUOTE]Jennifer Talton BUG LOC...LOL
August 9 at 2:30pm

[OldSkoolball#52]

the alleged killers. these haven't been verified yet, but i'm sure we'll all know for sure soon.

https://profile-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hprofile-frc1/c55.55.685.685/s160x160/1003990_397744666998586_1371043770_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c30.30.373.373/s160x160/7442_393256440785016_573835482_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/551040_533663733366477_1734713067_n.jpg



The white one and one of the black ones are supposedly brothers. Probably grew up in a group home or something. The white one already has a kid, oh goodie. Another child to grow up with a father he'll never know.


Child neglect and absentee parenting is the worst thing going on in our country right now. But do people care? Nope, what's more important is whether Alex Rodriguez injected himself with cattle hormones to whack a baseball farther. Boy, you should see the comment pages every time ESPN posts an A-Rod story. THAT'S what really gets the people riled up. "This POS deserves to be banned forever!!!! That no good rotten cheating son of a bitch!!!!! I'm so offended and indignant over what this guy did to himself to wack a baseball farther!!!!"

Meanwhile, Cromartie's 8 kids with 7 different women he already can't afford to pay for? Dwight Howard's endless seed planting? Nooooo biggie. Let's all have a good laugh. Pull up a lawnchair and watch the country slowly dissolve. JUST AS LONG AS THOSE MOTHER****ING BASEBALL PLAYERS DONT USE STEROIDS BECAUSE THATS WHAT WE SHOULD BE UPSET ABOUT.

[rezznor]

DUNCAN, Oklahoma - A college baseball player was gunned down in a drive-by shooting in Duncan. Duncan Police say three juveniles were on a killing spree when they shot 23-year-old Australian native Christopher Lane.
Lane was in town visiting a friend when he was randomly killed.

Duncan Police say it appears the teenagers were keeping a log of the crimes on their Facebook pages. They believe the young suspects killed an animal before shooting Christopher Lane, and were set to kill again just four hours after his murder.

8/18/2013 Related Story: 3 Juveniles Arrested In Murder Of ECU Baseball Player, Australian National

Investigators say the teenagers allegedly wanted to see someone die and randomly chose Christopher Lane as their target.

Lane was shot while he was jogging on Friday afternoon. He died on the side of the road.

More than 14,000 people have questioned the motive for the senseless killing on a Facebook page dedicated to Lane's memory. But police cannot say much about the details of the murder unless charges are filed against the juveniles.

Their parents can, though. Jennifer Luna says the three accused, her 16-year-old son Chancey Luna, and his friends James Edwards and Michael Jones are a part of a "wannabe gang." But she is confident her son is not a killer.

"I know in my heart he didn't pull that trigger," Luna said.

But Luna says if evidence shows her son was involved in the death of Christopher Lane, then she would expect him to be held responsible.

District Attorney Jason Hicks will now decide if the teenagers should be tried as adults.

Charges are expected to be filed on Tuesday.

most complete info so far

[MavsSuperFan]

the alleged killers. these haven't been verified yet, but i'm sure we'll all know for sure soon.

https://profile-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hprofile-frc1/c55.55.685.685/s160x160/1003990_397744666998586_1371043770_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash3/c30.30.373.373/s160x160/7442_393256440785016_573835482_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/551040_533663733366477_1734713067_n.jpg

Execute these 3 scumbags. I believe OK has the death penalty, but they probably wont give it to murderers this young.


too lazy to look it up, but you can probably google.

actually, quite a number of cities in the US rank HIGHER than a lot of 3rd world countries for these kinds of crimes...

I know that. When i said most countries I was alluding to that. In truth only the absolute most violent countries in the world are more violent than America, in that you are more likely to be murdered. Especially if you isolate for our large cities. Only countries like south africa, mexico, honduras, somalia and other of the worst countries in the world have higher murder rates than us.

America is an extremely unequal country. Our Gini coefficient is about the same as some of the less developed countries in africa and south america.

The Gini coefficient measures the inequality among of income among a population. A Gini coefficient of zero expresses perfect equality, where everyone has an exactly equal income. A Gini coefficient of one expresses maximal inequality among values where only one person has all the income.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/GINI_retouched_legend.gif/800px-GINI_retouched_legend.gif

You can see how unequal America is. If you have ever traveled to a large city like houston or NY or LA, you would see the disparity. One part is as rich as any place you are likely to find, another part is destitute poor. I have traveled to vienna and other european cities, and you don't see this level of difference.

[Scholar]

OP, this is America. We are so desensitized by violence in our society that a story like this takes several days to be picked up. And I'll bet anything it probably wouldn't have made national news if it weren't for Australians focusing on it so much.

In this country, the biggest issues that garner national attention are:
• Is A-Rod still taking steroids?
• Will Christian Bale sign a $50 million contract to play Batman in an upcoming 2015 movie?
• Can we mock something Obama did today? (Mostly Fox News)
• Should New York's ban on large soft drinks be overturned?

If the story doesn't involve celebrities in any way, shape or form, or if it doesn't involve more than 2 people being killed (more specifically, 2+ people in a more populated part of the US), then it goes almost completely ignored by the national media. Only local media reports senseless crimes like this if the deceased isn't an international athlete.

That's America. Immigrants give up everything they know and love to move here just to find out they get bullied and/or killed for "stealing our jobs" that nobody really wants to do.

[nightprowler10]

Execute these 3 scumbags. I believe OK has the death penalty, but they probably wont give it to murderers this young.



I know that. When i said most countries I was alluding to that. In truth only the absolute most violent countries in the world are more violent than America, in that you are more likely to be murdered. Especially if you isolate for our large cities. Only countries like south africa, mexico, honduras, somalia and other of the worst countries in the world have higher murder rates than us.

America is an extremely unequal country. Our Gini coefficient is about the same as some of the less developed countries in africa and south america.

The Gini coefficient measures the inequality among of income among a population. A Gini coefficient of zero expresses perfect equality, where everyone has an exactly equal income. A Gini coefficient of one expresses maximal inequality among values where only one person has all the income.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/GINI_retouched_legend.gif/800px-GINI_retouched_legend.gif

You can see how unequal America is. If you have ever traveled to a large city like houston or NY or LA, you would see the disparity. One part is as rich as any place you are likely to find, another part is destitute poor. I have traveled to vienna and other european cities, and you don't see this level of difference.
Holy **** South Africa.

[OldSkoolball#52]

The story is messed up. Killing someone because you're bored speaks for itself. It's psychopathic. Those kids should goto prison for the rest of their lives.

I feel bad for the victim and his family.

However, my own vendetta came to mind when reading the part about his girlfriend posting something on Facebook. For some reason this infuriates me. Why post it on facebook to get attention from people you don't even know, over something sooooooo personal? Call me crazy, but if you're grieving one of your initial reactions shouldn't be to post about it on Facebook. It drives me crazy.


Facebook is the way for the Everyman to get attention when he doesnt possess any of the qualities that would normally distinguish someone.

[Horde of Temujin]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/three-teens-accused-of-murder-of-baseball-player-chris-lane-identified/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461

This Melbourne paper doesnt list the white kid as one of the 3 suspects.

[DaSeba5]

I really hope they get the death penalty, but I doubt they will get it.

[rezznor]

I really hope they get the death penalty, but I doubt they will get it.
since they are under 18, they are not eligible instead these maggots will be a drain on our system :mad:

[DaSeba5]

since they are under 18, they are not eligible instead these maggots will be a drain on our system :mad:

Which is ridiculous to me. You know it's wrong to kill somebody, especially an innocent person, by a very young age. You would think they would know right from wrong by their age. They know what they did. I don't understand how the law can protect them. They killed somebody in cold blood "just because."

[rezznor]

No doubt that the black community faces tough challenges. But i think this whole country is rotten, our society created this mess through years of slavery and subsequent years of discrimination that robbed black people of any cultural capital and mired them in poverty. Poverty plays a big role and i dont dispute the statistics that show how crimes are disproportinately committed by blacks, its a complex and endemic problem that is embedded in the fabric of American society. I think a big reason why immigrants come here and fare better is because of the cultural capital that they possess and on average face less discrimination.
Black community needs strong leaders to uplift it. Its a damn shame MLK and Malcolm X were killed young, they were great men who wouldve made this country a greater place.
What about the mainly white bankers and corporate board members who exploit the laws in their favor to pollute our land, rob people of their houses through shady loans, taint our food, and exploit the american lower classes in general?


i'm sorry, but poverty doesnt explain why a bunch a psychopaths decide to murder a jogger "just because" they were bored.

btw, those bankers need to get theirs as well

[Horde of Temujin]

When you rob a people of their culture and treat them poorly for generations it helps explain what afflicts much of the black community in America with communities of fatherless children that growup to be assholes like these three kids.

[2013 Lakers]

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/v/videos/3AA1A5C4-270D-4777-ABF1-A5EF781F544D-3194-000001EFB9597195_1.1.mp4?versionId=MBt.592aehkfVRe UMXvhE7e6U3lihddf

[OldSkoolball#52]

No doubt that the black community faces tough challenges. But i think this whole country is rotten, our society created this mess through years of slavery and subsequent years of discrimination that robbed black people of any cultural capital and mired them in poverty. Poverty plays a big role and i dont dispute the statistics that show how crimes are disproportinately committed by blacks, its a complex and endemic problem that is embedded in the fabric of American society. I think a big reason why immigrants come here and fare better is because of the cultural capital that they possess and on average face less discrimination.



I agree in a general sense. In Europe, Asia, and the Americas there have been hundreds to thousands of years of family/social structure that is ingrained into those social cultures. Africa is an extremely chaotic place even today, let alone at the time slaves were plucked off and brought to America. The institutions of slavery and discrimination were a severe retardant to their ability to assimilate or develop culturally. European and Asian cultures developed similarly in large part through idea diffusion spread across the Silk Road. Obviously European and Native American cultures intertwined beginning in 1492, or possibly even earlier with the Vikings. So they all had certain cultural habits and institutions that those brought straight from Africa in the 16th and 17th centuries did not necessarily ever have knowledge of, nor were they permitted to gain knowledge of when they got here.


HOWEVER, we can't change the past. And it's silly to use ANY fact from it as an excuse not to take necessary action today. Dude, child-bearing in the developed world is dropping, while these people are breeding. You think this kind of stuff is a problem now, just wait. What happens when our generation retires, and the only people entering the workforce are the unequipped, volatile, violent children being born to these teenage mothers today???

The "hood" segment of the black community is not even going up in proportion with the rest of the world relative to where they were 50 years ago. It'd be one thing if they were still behind but had moved up even somewhat proportionally on the graph. They're practically going backwards! While for everyone else in the world, the graph gradually moves upward.

The people who are in position to get stricter about this stuff for the sake of everyone, who are largely white, are too busy fretting internally about accidentally hurting a feeling or being incorrectly labeled a bigot by their ultra-liberal f@ggy drum circle of loser friends. This is madness.

My proposal is the introduction of an optional sterilization sentence into the legal system. Anyone between 18-40 convicted of a nonviolent crime can elect to have their traditional sentence (fine, community service, jail time) commuted in favor of a documented vasectomy or hysterectomy. Our constitution will never allow us to coerce sterilization, but why not incentivize it among people who are unlikely to be capable parents??? I bet you a lot of men or women who get popped for crack possession would say 'sure, i dont care' and get the procedure. It's not like they WANT to have kids, it just happens by accident because they're careless. Give them the option and tons of unplanned pregnancy/child neglect will be prevented I gaurantee you. And that's a huge first step toward readjusting the population.

[2013 Lakers]

When you rob a people of their culture and treat them poorly for generations it helps explain what afflicts much of the black community in America with communities of fatherless children that growup to be assholes like these three kids.

Characterizing them as assholes is a bit weird to me. I'd say they're more psychopathic murderers. And I don't think it has anything to do with their skin color being black anymore than James Holmes being white can explain him shooting up that Aurora theater. Plenty of kids from all races grow up without fathers. Some might grow up to be assholes, but most don't murder random people out of boredom.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Characterizing them as assholes is a bit weird to me. I'd say they're more psychopathic murderers. And I don't think it has anything to do with their skin color being black anymore than James Holmes being white can explain him shooting up that Aurora theater. Plenty of kids from all races grow up without fathers. Some might grow up to be assholes, but most don't murder random people out of boredom.


James Holmes is an anomaly in white culture. Genetic variation and mental illness are a fact of life and so is sociopathia (thats not a word but you understand). There will always be anomalies.

Everyone knows violence is not an anomaly in the black community. Even if this case happened to legitimately be three sociopaths who veered away from an upbringing of morals, expectation and civility (which I highly doubt based on the ebonics-to-english translations of their bragging that I saw), violence in the black community is not an anomaly. I mean even black leaders will tell you that. It is a glorified badge of honor in too many circles. The proportion of violent black criminals to the overall black population is not a simple coincidence. It is a huge cultural problem.

[Horde of Temujin]

Characterizing them as assholes is a bit weird to me. I'd say they're more psychopathic murderers. And I don't think it has anything to do with their skin color being black anymore than James Holmes being white can explain him shooting up that Aurora theater. Plenty of kids from all races grow up without fathers. Some might grow up to be assholes, but most don't murder random people out of boredom.

I do think they're assholes. So is that Dimaggio sicko, as well as Casey Anthony.

[Horde of Temujin]

Here in New York there are many African immigrants who some of the smartest and kindest people I know.

I could be wrong, im not an expert on these matters but I suspect it is due to their strong family structures and cultural values that they bring with them.

[2013 Lakers]

I do think they're assholes. So is that Dimaggio sicko, as well as Casey Anthony.

I would call someone who cuts me off in traffic and gives me the finger an asshole.

Calling coldblooded murderers assholes trivializes it to me.

[Raymone]

>half-white, half-latino man kills a black man out of self defense

100% RACISM!!! Call Sharpton and Jackson and Obama! This is an outrage!

>three black kids kill a white kid out of boredom

It's just the after-effects of slavery, guys! They probably come from broken homes. Let's move on, nothing to see here.

[Styles p]

That sucks. What was the race of the murderers in this case? There was no mention, again.
no clue, the killers had a combined 55 felony charges(by their early 20's) these goons should have never been on the streets, talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Here in New York there are many African immigrants who some of the smartest and kindest people I know.

I could be wrong, im not an expert on these matters but I suspect it is due to their strong family structures and cultural values that they bring with them.


Well typically the people who make it to America from overseas in this day and age are going to be the people who are already exceptionally talented, motivated, ambitious relative to where they come from.

In fact, the highest income ethnicity in the United States is Indians. However, if you go to India itself... you're not exactly going to find a bastion of progress and ingenuity. Most of it is flat out dangerous.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Typical Raymone. :lol

[Horde of Temujin]

I agree in a general sense. In Europe, Asia, and the Americas there have been hundreds to thousands of years of family/social structure that is ingrained into those social cultures. Africa is an extremely chaotic place even today, let alone at the time slaves were plucked off and brought to America. The institutions of slavery and discrimination were a severe retardant to their ability to assimilate or develop culturally. European and Asian cultures developed similarly in large part through idea diffusion spread across the Silk Road. Obviously European and Native American cultures intertwined beginning in 1492, or possibly even earlier with the Vikings. So they all had certain cultural habits and institutions that those brought straight from Africa in the 16th and 17th centuries did not necessarily ever have knowledge of, nor were they permitted to gain knowledge of when they got here.


HOWEVER, we can't change the past. And it's silly to use ANY fact from it as an excuse not to take necessary action today. Dude, child-bearing in the developed world is dropping, while these people are breeding. You think this kind of stuff is a problem now, just wait. What happens when our generation retires, and the only people entering the workforce are the unequipped, volatile, violent children being born to these teenage mothers today???

The "hood" segment of the black community is not even going up in proportion with the rest of the world relative to where they were 50 years ago. It'd be one thing if they were still behind but had moved up even somewhat proportionally on the graph. They're practically going backwards! While for everyone else in the world, the graph gradually moves upward.

The people who are in position to get stricter about this stuff for the sake of everyone, who are largely white, are too busy fretting internally about accidentally hurting a feeling or being incorrectly labeled a bigot by their ultra-liberal f@ggy drum circle of loser friends. This is madness.

My proposal is the introduction of an optional sterilization sentence into the legal system. Anyone between 18-40 convicted of a nonviolent crime can elect to have their traditional sentence (fine, community service, jail time) commuted in favor of a documented vasectomy or hysterectomy. Our constitution will never allow us to coerce sterilization, but why not incentivize it among people who are unlikely to be capable parents??? I bet you a lot of men or women who get popped for crack possession would say 'sure, i dont care' and get the procedure. It's not like they WANT to have kids, it just happens by accident because they're careless. Give them the option and tons of unplanned pregnancy/child neglect will be prevented I gaurantee you. And that's a huge first step toward readjusting the population.

That is an interesting solution.
Im not offering any myself, i really dont know of any and im just trying to rationalize it myself. Would tighter gun control work? Nah. Or affirmative action? I dont think so. Like i said before i think it is a very complex problem that sucks and that may never be rectified. I know many, many, many, black people who are better human beings than myself so I find it hard to make such inferences.

America itself is rotten as is much of the world. Im getting off topic and this may be a topic for another thread. If you look back historically, the last 500 + years of European domination has been the most disastrous in history in terms of lives lost and environmental degradation. White people have ruined the world. Again, this is another generalization but this was largely driven by white people. I guess this is addressed towards those who are quick to place sole blame on the black community without acknowledging the role that white people play, which i dont think youre doing.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

no clue, the killers had a combined 55 felony charges(by their early 20's) these goons should have never been on the streets, talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
they were african american.

[OldSkoolball#52]

White people have ruined the world.


White people who are not alive today may have ruined the world for many blacks and natives who are also not alive today. However the inconvenient truth is that virtually nobody alive TODAY would be better off if they hadn't. That includes American blacks.

Africa is a nightmare. And it was long before Europeans ever arrived. Cannibalism, warlords, and yes even rampant slavery was all prevalent there way before the Dutch began buying slaves from African kings and sending them to the Indies. That's one thing that is rarely mentioned, but many Africans who were taken overseas to be slaves... already WERE slaves in Africa! White people didn't trek into Africa with nets and capture black people. They bartered them from the tribes who already had enslaved them. That was life back then in all corners of the globe.

And again, I agree those kind of events put blacks at a social disadvantage in places outside Africa. And we can be plenty sympathetic and empathic to that plight. But that's no justification for allowing OUR society to be compromised because of sins we did not commit. And when I say 'our' I don't mean a race. I mean civilized Americans. We don't have to only get tough with blacks who act like violent beasts. We should do that with everyone. There needs to be more chin music in this country for people who fukc up. Not a draconian change, but an impactful one. We are letting the inmates run the assylum.

[rezznor]

btw, it's not like these kids grew up in the hood. they came from a rural farming community.

[reppy]

White people who are not alive today may have ruined the world for many blacks and natives who are also not alive today. However the inconvenient truth is that virtually nobody alive TODAY would be better off if they hadn't. That includes American blacks.

"Sure, we raped ya -- but think about how much worse off you would have been if we hadn't stolen your land, introduced new diseases, and committed genocide against your people!"

Or here's another one, "Sure, that whole Holocaust thing was bad -- but look at it this way: you finally got a home land! You're better off now, right?"

Perhaps OldSchool#52 believes whites are inherently more moral, more intelligent. Or maybe white culture is superior! Whites have more money, and therefore that means white people ARE BETTER.

In his mind, white conquest is the most moral conquest.

[dude77]

he wasn't even jogging in a bad neighborhood .. 'high priced homes' .. looks like you're not safe anywhere in public now

[Horde of Temujin]

White people who are not alive today may have ruined the world for many blacks and natives who are also not alive today. However the inconvenient truth is that virtually nobody alive TODAY would be better off if they hadn't. That includes American blacks.

Africa is a nightmare. And it was long before Europeans ever arrived. Cannibalism, warlords, and yes even rampant slavery was all prevalent there way before the Dutch began buying slaves from African kings and sending them to the Indies. That's one thing that is rarely mentioned, but many Africans who were taken overseas to be slaves... already WERE slaves in Africa! White people didn't trek into Africa with nets and capture black people. They bartered them from the tribes who already had enslaved them. That was life back then in all corners of the globe.

And again, I agree those kind of events put blacks at a social disadvantage in places outside Africa. And we can be plenty sympathetic and empathic to that plight. But that's no justification for allowing OUR society to be compromised because of sins we did not commit. And when I say 'our' I don't mean a race. I mean civilized Americans. We don't have to only get tough with blacks who act like violent beasts. We should do that with everyone. There needs to be more chin music in this country for people who fukc up. Not a draconian change, but an impactful one. We are letting the inmates run the assylum.

Out of respect for the op i have posted a a response in another thread that i created a while back.

[OldSkoolball#52]

btw, it's not like these kids grew up in the hood. they came from a rural farming community.


True, but through the capabilities of media these days the "urban gangsta" image and lifestyle is spread much more easily to kids in rural areas.

[Horde of Temujin]

I guess its just the scale of devastation that white people have caused dwarfs all others

[knickballer]

"Sure, we raped ya -- but think about how much worse off you would have been if we hadn't stolen your land, introduced new diseases, and committed genocide against your people!"

Or here's another one, "Sure, that whole Holocaust thing was bad -- but look at it this way: you finally got a home land! You're better off now, right?"

Perhaps OldSchool#52 believes whites are inherently more moral, more intelligent. Or maybe white culture is superior! Whites have more money, and therefore that means white people ARE BETTER.

In his mind, white conquest is the most moral conquest.

I think it's unfair to say Whites or specifically Anglos were the only group of people that ****ed people over..

The Ancient Egyptians were probably the first empire to perfect the use of slaves and not to mention all the lands they conquered.

The Arabs were perfecting the slave trade for centuries before the Euros came..

The Ottomans brought destruction to alot of the lands they conquered(specifically the Balkans)


It's outrageous to still use the events that happened 400 years ago as an excuse for a crime or even a society.

[rezznor]

True, but through the capabilities of media these days the "urban gangsta" image and lifestyle is spread much more easily to kids in rural areas.
o yeah, don't get me wrong, these kids were absolutely into the gangster and gun culture. just look at their past photos and fb posts...sounds kinda like another deceased teen that's been in the news lately...

what i was saying was that they can't use "raised in the hood" as an excuse. btw, it's not only black kids that do this. i know plenty of suburban white and asian kids that idolize that shit.

[PistonsFan#21]

>half-white, half-latino man kills a black man out of self defense

100% RACISM!!! Call Sharpton and Jackson and Obama! This is an outrage!

>three black kids kill a white kid out of boredom

It's just the after-effects of slavery, guys! They probably come from broken homes. Let's move on, nothing to see here.

More like:

Zimmerman looks for trouble and ends up killing a 17 year old kid

walks away without any repercussion

Three black kids kill a white kid out of boredom

will most likely be sent to jail for life (even death penalty if they were legal adults)

[Horde of Temujin]

Thankfully, most people in New York dont know what a cholo is.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Thankfully, most people in New York dont know what a cholo is.


It's an LA thing I guess.


How to be a cholo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8ch4rsMmZI)

(funny vid made by a mexican kid)

[PistonsFan#21]

Ok fine then. We need an acceptable word.

If I say "white trash, hick, hillbilly" etc. most people know exactly what subculture I mean.

If I say "cholo" most people know I'm talking about baggy plaid pants, wife beater, neck tattoo, fist clenched hispanic, but clearly not all hispanic people. I've said cholo around copious regular hispanics and none of them had a problem.

But if I say "n*gger" I'm being racist. If I generalize it as "black people" which I don't want to do anyway, I'll be crucified. You can't even say "thug" or "gangsta" these days without people saying "oh, what are you really trying to say? blacks huh? covert racist!" It's like no, I'm talking about thugs, and gangstas.

Again, white trash and cholo are used to describe specific subsets of people who generally coincide with a specific race. If black people would just give us one single word, we could avoid a lot of offense. But thus far, every word you might possibly use to describe the lifestyle these kids glorified, will get you called racist. And I'm sick of that. And I'm not gonna just be quiet about things like this just because some people don't wanna hear offensive words. This is murder and crime on a widespread scale and to me, speaking out against that takes precedence over choosing my language carefully. But like I said, if you've got a substitute word for me, by all means suggest it.

Maybe its different from where im from but its not offensive to call a black person a gangsta or a thug if thats really what he is.

Im not too familiar with the term ''Cholo'' but if you call a Mexican guy a ''wetback'' they wouldnt be cool with that and they would let you know about it. Same with asian guys being called ''ch*nks''.

And like i said n*gger is considered a racist term because of the history behind it. It was used to describe all the black people. Not only the delinquent or the thugs commiting crimes.

Im pretty sure if you would go in any neighborhood and would call a black thug a ''fu*kin n*gger'' and then said ''no offense to you good black people though'' it wouldnt sound right even if you meant no harm by that.

[longtime lurker]

Maybe its different from where im from but its not offensive to call a black person a gangsta or a thug if thats really what he is.

Im not too familiar with the term ''Cholo'' but if you call a Mexican guy a ''wetback'' they wouldnt be cool with that and they would let you know about it.

And like i said n*gger is considered a racist term because of the history behind it. It was used to describe all the black people. Not only the delinquent or the thugs commiting crimes.

Im pretty sure if you would go in any neighborhood and would call a black thug a ''****in n*gger'' and then said ''no offense to you good black people though'' it wouldnt sound right even if you meant no harm by that.

Why are you replying to that clown. All that dude does is troll with his racist bullshit.

[NuggetsFan]

Crazy kids. Who randomly shoots somebody. ISH obsession with race continues as well I see.

[DeuceWallaces]

This story took off in the US yesterday.

[ClutchOver9000]

Wasnt one of the suspects white? Why do I keep hearing 3 black teens?

[rezznor]

Wasnt one of the suspects white? Why do I keep hearing 3 black teens?
initial reports were wrong. one of the suspect's brothers was white and it got mixed up. also, looks like one of the kids is half.



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130820173237-australian-student-death-split-story-top.jpg
these are the suspects

[ClutchOver9000]

^^^ they should be used as live subjects for medical experimentation

[Patrick Chewing]

When you rob a people of their culture and treat them poorly for generations it helps explain what afflicts much of the black community in America with communities of fatherless children that growup to be assholes like these three kids.


Bullshit excuses. The people who suffered under such oppression are either dead or dying. You make your own way in life, or die trying. To kill someone else is nothing but pure evil.

[Horde of Temujin]

Bullshit excuses. The people who suffered under such oppression are either dead or dying. You make your own way in life, or die trying. To kill someone else is nothing but pure evil.

They are evil, i dont dispute that. What i was addressing was why crime and poverty so high within the black community in the USA. I was arguing that is has much to do with poverty. poor people in general commit more crimes. I was talking what led to the conditions that cause such problematic communities to come about and the people that come from them. Surely some people are born evil, others are products of their environment.

[HardwoodLegend]

Twitter of James Edwards, one of the teens:
https://twitter.com/JAMESAKABUG

http://i.imgur.com/jrNtH2w.png

[HardwoodLegend]

James had a white girlfriend and posted a Vine vid of him at church with a bunch of white people.

https://twitter.com/Jadyn__Edwards

[ace23]

Twitter of James Edwards, one of the teens:
https://twitter.com/JAMESAKABUG

http://i.imgur.com/jrNtH2w.png
That song is the shit. :oldlol:

[ace23]

initial reports were wrong. one of the suspect's brothers was white and it got mixed up. also, looks like one of the kids is half.
http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/a/agenda/graphics-agenda-615488.gif

[HardwoodLegend]

The mixed kid goes by Chancey BabyDrake Luna on Facebook.

I noticed he did remind me of Drake at certain angles in the Vine vids posted. He and James seem to have a goofy sense of humor and fun-loving personalities aside from the whole sociopathy thing. Their anger was suppressed heavily by the clownish behaviors.

[MavsSuperFan]

Some of the people in this Thread making everything about race :facepalm

2 black kids and a mixed race kid committed murder because they were bored. Psychopathic monsters is what they are. But anyone that puts that on other members of their racial group are ignorant.

Its like people who tried to put blame on white people for the OKC bombings.

Just because someone does something that doesnt reflect on his demographic grouping. I would hate to be judged by the actions of another white person. These 3 monsters deserve the needle, but their actions are their own and dont reflect on anyone else.

Oldskoolball#52, so much agenda to your posts man.