What happened to Lebron's chasedown blocks?

[chips93]

maybe its just i dont watch as many of his games, but didnt lebron seem to get far more chasedown blocks in cleveland? he got slightly more bpg in cleveland, (less than 0.5 more)

anybody else notice this?

and if so, why do you guys think he doesnt get them anymore?

[SacJB Shady]

He's too heavy

[9erempiree]

Too damn bulky and he weighs too much. I don't think Lebron lifts weight for performance. He does it for vanity. The obsession with his looks below:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Lebron-James-Flexing-Instagram.jpg

While he should be getting fit and get that basketball body and agility back. This was the Lebron that was actually blowing by defenders and dunking a lot in games. Nowadays, he just catches an oop off the fly or a backdoor dunk. He relies on bulldozing too.

This should be his size, he was already naturally strong:
http://blog.generalsentiment.com/wp-content/uploads/Lebron-James-Rookie.jpg

[Wavves]

Too damn bulky and he weighs too much. I don't think Lebron lifts weight for performance. He does it for vanity. The obsession with his looks below:

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Lebron-James-Flexing-Instagram.jpg

While he should be getting fit and get that basketball body and agility back. This was the Lebron that was actually blowing by defenders and dunking a lot in games. Nowadays, he just catches an oop off the fly or a backdoor dunk. He relies on bulldozing too.

This should be his size, he was already naturally strong:
http://blog.generalsentiment.com/wp-content/uploads/Lebron-James-Rookie.jpg

Not sure how you can make this claim to discredit LeBron.

He apparently lifts weights for looks rather than performance, yet is still the best basketball player on the planet and has been for the past few years...

[retaxis]

waste of energy

[I<3NBA]

umm, he gets more of them now :confusedshrug:

[branslowski]

Got dunked on by Kobe in the All-star game. Thinks twice about it now.

[livingby3's]

Well, chase down blocks would mostly be coming off the opposing team running a fast break right? so maybe Miami ranking top 3 in least fastbreak points by an opponent means something?

[Electric Slide]

because teams aren't dumb enough to run against miami

[Rake2204]

I don't know if he gets more or less chasedown blocks than he used to in the past, but I'd say his chasedown reputation is more than established and if nothing else, opposing players are likely thinking about his presence in those situations more than they used to.

On my stupid low level of basketball, chasedowns are just about the only way I can block folks. That said, if I play with the same group long enough, they eventually start taking precautions in potential chasedown situations - slowing down, making an extra pass, attempting to throw off the chaser's rhythm, even ball faking on rare occasions. I'm guessing even on the NBA level that same train of thought has to exist on some level, right?

[Dragonyeuw]

He was like 24-25 when he was doing all those chase down blocks, and I think was at his apex in terms of agility,athleticism, energy, and all that. I think he paces himself more now, due to getting older and bulking up over the years.

[SacJB Shady]

He was like 24-25 when he was doing all those chase down blocks, and I think was at his apex in terms of agility,athleticism, energy, and all that. I think he paces himself more now, due to getting older and bulking up over the years.


He's gettin old

[pauk]

Im not sure but i have noticed that all players are much more aware of this Lebron tendency and his whereabouts when going in for what would be assumed an easy breakaway layup/dunk, im sure you maybe have noticed situations where the opposing player would even abort the shot attempt seeing Lebron on the sidemirror for safety sake despite being wideopen... some will even get so nervous and miss the shot...

[SacJB Shady]

Im not sure but i have noticed that all opposing players are much more aware of this Lebron tendency, im sure you maybe have noticed situations where the opposing player would even abort the shot attempt seeing Lebron on the sidemirror for safety sake despite being wideopen... some will even get so nervous and miss the shot...


The way he chased down Monta's lay ups, he can't do that anymore. Monta's losing his speed too.

[PJR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881TWt7z_Qg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOAV2mVFaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOHxEjlYRI


:confusedshrug:

[SacJB Shady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881TWt7z_Qg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOAV2mVFaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOHxEjlYRI


:confusedshrug:



Those are a year old. Is LBJ gonna go on a diet?

[Hoopz2332]

he still does it but not as much because of 2 things

1. players are more aware of him in the open court when he's coming after them

2. he just doesn't try as much anymore to go all out/sprinting to conserve energy

[mugiwara]

I don't know if he gets more or less chasedown blocks than he used to in the past, but I'd say his chasedown reputation is more than established and if nothing else, opposing players are likely thinking about his presence in those situations more than they used to.

On my stupid low level of basketball, chasedowns are just about the only way I can block folks. That said, if I play with the same group long enough, they eventually start taking precautions in potential chasedown situations - slowing down, making an extra pass, attempting to throw off the chaser's rhythm, even ball faking on rare occasions. I'm guessing even on the NBA level that same train of thought has to exist on some level, right?

Exactly this. A guy who plays on one of the teams i play on, lightning quick with a nice vert chases everyone. He was saying a couple months ago how everyone now knows his game, using similar tactics on the fast break.

Man this guy is so good at it though, he takes really long strides t slow himself before the block and hides in the blind spots. Still swats people regularly.

[PickernRoller]

This happened:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1446915/kobereturns_medium.gif

Left him shook.

[Wally450]

He's losing his athleticism quick. He'll be nothing come the age of 30.


/troll

[ihoopallday]

This happened:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1446915/kobereturns_medium.gif

Left him shook.

Shook him enough to help Miami win a championship and get FMVP. :rockon:

[Trollsmasher]

He was quiet busy with whining to the refs this past season (was kinda pissed on him, but they really treated him like a shit).

Also it is his presence alone that can stop the break with players simply f*cking it up because they hear him behind them. I think it was the last game in RS in Miami against Bulls where he stopped 3 fast breaks in 1st quarter alone just by trailing behind Nate and not really doing much else.

[PickernRoller]

Shook him enough to help Miami win a championship and get FMVP. :rockon:

I wasn't talking about Ray Allen's 3 or Manu bricking shots, or Lebron having 3 straight turnovers late in the last minute of the 4th/OT, bricking the game tying shot in a crucial game 6.

I can't blame god for miracles. I can blame Kobe for shooking Lebron.

http://blog.lakers.com/lakers/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/130217_kobeblocklebron.jpg

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1447379/733548682.jpg

[Tking714]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1447379/733548682.jpg

:roll:

[Mr Exlax]

If you've seen the fear in the opponents eyes when he's running behind them, you'll understand why he doesn't get the chasedown blocks anymore. Cats are scared to even attempt to score. Simple as that.

[Mr Exlax]

Was Kobe's block on LeBron the highlight of the Lakers season last year or something?

[PickernRoller]

Was Kobe's block on LeBron the highlight of the Lakers season last year or something?

Is this your actual first attempt at a troll post ever? :roll: :roll:

I mean I know your denial of Lebron stanism is a farse but taking your stanism to a whole new level? Guess that middle ground was never going to work out.

Welcome.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Was Kobe's block on LeBron the highlight of the Lakers season last year or something?

Yes.

[WindmiLL]

Was Kobe's block on LeBron the highlight of the Lakers season last year or something?


And it's such an epic irony actually because when Lebron was still in Cleveland, Kobe fans were were discrediting head to head argument between Lebron and Kobe or any other award or anything Lebron achieved in regular season like ''it's just regular season'', ''he's nothing more than a regular season hero, statpadder'' '' call us when he wins something''. That's what we were hearing from Kobe stans 3-4 years back. Regular season or deep playoffs runs didin't mean shit if there was no chip at the end.

And now when Lebron is winning chip after chip you see these f*ckers using a freaking all star game as some sort of an argument :roll: :roll: :facepalm :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

Lebron stans getting worked about Kobe shooking Lebron :lol :lol :oldlol:

The irrelevance of their tantrums...:roll: :roll: :oldlol:

Gotta admit not as bad as the tantrums during the all-star game.

The old lion...:lol :roll: :roll:

[IGOTGAME]

I don't know if he gets more or less chasedown blocks than he used to in the past, but I'd say his chasedown reputation is more than established and if nothing else, opposing players are likely thinking about his presence in those situations more than they used to.

On my stupid low level of basketball, chasedowns are just about the only way I can block folks. That said, if I play with the same group long enough, they eventually start taking precautions in potential chasedown situations - slowing down, making an extra pass, attempting to throw off the chaser's rhythm, even ball faking on rare occasions. I'm guessing even on the NBA level that same train of thought has to exist on some level, right?

Do you play with middle schoolers? I've played ball a ton and I've never had to worry about chase down blocks in college, pickup or even playing against semi pros or guys that would make the NBA. This seems like flame to me.

It's always been if someone is coming from behind then just dunk it. Even that is rare to have to do.

[Mr Exlax]

Is this your actual first attempt at a troll post ever? :roll: :roll:

I mean I know your denial of Lebron stanism is a farse but taking your stanism to a whole new level? Guess that middle ground was never going to work out.

Welcome.

Bro I'm 31. What I look like trying to troll? I was asking a serious question. That's the only thing I see Laker fans bringing up from last season. That's the only GIF or picture or anything they've posted from last season. How about giving your team some credit for overcoming all that adversity and at least making the playoffs. How about giving credit to your FO for being able to make the gutsy moves they did to get all that talent together. How about anything other than a block in an allstar game.

[305Baller]

It's the offseason. Just wait till november and you will see them again.

[scm5]

Well, he's not as young and energetic as he once was. I'm sure he's still got it, he's as athletic now as he's ever been but as you age you play differently. You learn to conserve your energy.

Tayshaun Prince stopped getting as many as he got older too.

[Cosmonaut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881TWt7z_Qg


something I noticed was a lot of his chase down blocks came from his own turnover, maybe he purposely turned it over for some chase down block fun.

[K Xerxes]

This happened:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1446915/kobereturns_medium.gif

Left him shook.

It's pretty easy for LeBron stats to post Kobe getting injured, LeBron's masterful game 7 and him holding the FMVP and trophy, you know.

[PickernRoller]

It's pretty easy for LeBron stats to post Kobe getting injured, LeBron's masterful game 7 and him holding the FMVP and trophy, you know.

Not as impactful as ISH servers choking when the block happened. Lebron stans were too shook that day, just like his boy.

[Rake2204]

Do you play with middle schoolers? I've played ball a ton and I've never had to worry about chase down blocks in college, pickup or even playing against semi pros or guys that would make the NBA. This seems like flame to me.

It's always been if someone is coming from behind then just dunk it. Even that is rare to have to do.I certainly do not play with guys who would make the NBA. And it's rare that I play against fellows who are current semi-professional players. I'd like to think I play amongst a pretty normal and varied group of college players, former college players, ball players with no team affiliation in their 20's, high school guys, and yes, undoubtedly there's lower end folks who find their way onto the court as well at times.

As for me personally? As someone standing 6'4'' in shoes with solid speed (in comparison to others my size) and the ability to dunk, against my non-pro league competition, I'm rarely at risk of being chasedown blocked. However, my competition (non-middle schoolers, ha) are not all 6'4''+ and dunking, so there's often a few who leave themselves open to chasedown opportunities in the right situations. With respect, I think we covered this in another thread. Regarding whether chasedowns were rare in my experiences:


Hmm, I suppose it's tough to quantify "not rare". I can't really put any kind of logical number or rate on it. I'd just say it's not really unusual in my experiences. I can't really recall if I'd say it happens nightly or weekly in my experiences. I'm guessing somewhere in the middle. Sometimes I'll see multiple chasedowns in one night. Sometimes I won't see one for a while.

I also don't think it's always a "depth of skill level thing". If there's a defender out there who can leap pretty well, can reach above ten feet and likes to work, nearly everyone on the court becomes a possible chasedown candidate in the right situation. Surely, it'd be nice if skilled players always knew how to never get blocked, but sometimes the right play is to go strong to the rim and sometimes a better defensive play is made in the process.

There's a litany of situations that could lead to chasedowns. It can be a scrub who's terrible at basketball. It can be a normal ballplayer assuming he's alone in the open floor. Or it can be a great player who believes his most make-able opportunity is going to be to go strong (not reverse or initiate contact) and roll the dice, hoping the defensive player isn't able to make a chasedown play.

I think it's impossible for me to say this without sounding arrogant, but I've been chasedown blocking folks of all sizes, ages, skills, and colors for years. It doesn't happen every time I play, but I know it's a possibility every time I play, and I pursue it. I don't say that to sound incredibly skilled or something (I'm not), I'm just saying I don't think it's as rare or tough to pull off as it may have initially been suggested. The best I can offer right now is three random ones I had long ago during my junior year of high school that happened to be caught on tape (i.e. these aren't the only ones I had, nor all my favorites), at the 1:55 mark, then two at 6:08 from the same game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbITKv5OEkQ#t=1m54s http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=8871409

[TheCorporation]

Not as impactful as ISH servers choking when the block happened. Lebron stans were too shook that day, just like his boy.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2rp8i6t.jpg

[SamuraiSWISH]

Can LeBron stans please not be so petty, that they can't admit 34 year old Kobe took the challenge of guarding LeBron, rose to the challenge and absolutely embarrassed him on multiple possessions by locking him up and stuffing his shit?

[jzek]

He's getting old.

[Electric Slide]

Can LeBron stans please not be so petty, that they can't admit 34 year old Kobe took the challenge of guarding LeBron, rose to the challenge and absolutely embarrassed him on multiple possessions by locking him up and stuffing his shit?
It's an all-star game. He never does that in an actual game though, so who cares? :oldlol:

[20Four]

Look at this thread to see kobe guarding lebron and wade....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254733

Thank you come again

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's an all-star game. He never does that in an actual game though, so who cares? :oldlol:
LeBron cares. If anything the All Star Game is a collection of all the alphas. The game within a game is who is the alpha of the alphas? That's always been the very competitive aspect of this event.

You obviously don't watch all-star games, because LeBron has tried MAD hard in multiple games. Specifically 2010, 2011 (lead East comeback), 2012 (lead East comeback, refused to shoot final shot) ... and then in 2013 after the first embarrassment by Kobe, he tried very hard to get him back and still failed.

Dude was damn near in tears after the 2012 game, embarrassed by making such a poor decision to end the game. He cares, and is very competitive in these situations.

Either way you cut it, they went one on one for a stretch in the ASG, and 34 year old Kobe embarrassed prime LeBron. Own it.

[Electric Slide]

Either way you cut it, they went one on one for a stretch in the ASG, and 34 year old Kobe embarrassed prime LeBron. Own it.
I'll tell you the same thing MJ told Chamillionaire

http://i.imgur.com/UCHFk.jpg

[9erempiree]

LeBron cares. If anything the All Star Game is a collection of all the alphas. The game within a game is who is the alpha of the alphas? That's always been the very competitive aspect of this event.

You obviously don't watch all-star games, because LeBron has tried MAD hard in multiple games. Specifically 2010, 2011 (lead East comeback), 2012 (lead East comeback, refused to shoot final shot) ... and then in 2013 after the first embarrassment by Kobe, he tried very hard to get him back and still failed.

Dude was damn near in tears after the 2012 game, embarrassed by making such a poor decision to end the game. He cares, and is very competitive in these situations.

Either way you cut it, they went one on one for a stretch in the ASG, and 34 year old Kobe embarrassed prime LeBron. Own it.

Great post. Been saying this all along. Although the outcome of the ASG is meaningless but the individual challenges that occur during these events is the reason why millions and millions watch this game.

If a superstar gets called out and backs down, he's a chump. You being called in front of millions, you have to bring it. Kobe brought it and Lebron didn't.

It just shows you what separates legendary players like Kobe and good players like Lebron. The gap is huge in regards to the things they can do.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'll tell you the same thing MJ told Chamillionaire

http://i.imgur.com/UCHFk.jpg
MJ told his apprentice Kobe how to guard Bron, and his weaknesses that he's study the night before the game at his 50th birthday party ...

Kobe, wanting to make his idol proud, went out used the strategy and beat LeBron's shit in front of everyone. LeBron didn't manage to get him back.

[chips93]

Do you play with middle schoolers? I've played ball a ton and I've never had to worry about chase down blocks in college, pickup or even playing against semi pros or guys that would make the NBA. This seems like flame to me.

who have you played against?

[Electric Slide]

MJ told his apprentice Kobe how to guard Bron, and his weaknesses that he's study the night before the game at his 50th birthday party ...

Kobe, wanting to make his idol proud, went out used the strategy and beat LeBron's shit in front of everyone. LeBron didn't manage to get him back.
His analysis was not even accurate. Lebron is better at driving left than he is right.

Kobe owned him in the all-star game but again, it's pretty meaningless. ASG had more meaning in the early days but for the past 10 years it's nothing more than a show.

[SamuraiSWISH]

His analysis was not even accurate. Lebron is better at driving left than he is right.
No, he's better driving right.

He said force him left, and make him rise up for the jumper going left. Which he doesn't excel at and given his awkward jumper mechanics, you can block it.

The game's box score and result is meaningless yes, the battles for pride within certainly mean a lot to these highly competitive alpha dogs. Thinking otherwise is absurd.

[Electric Slide]

No, he's better driving right.

He said force him left, and make him rise up for the jumper going left. Which he doesn't excel at and given his awkward jumper mechanics, you can block it.

The game's box score and result is meaningless yes, the battles for pride within certainly mean a lot to these highly competitive alpha dogs. Thinking otherwise is absurd.
Care to explain this? Would you criticize his elbow placement more than anything?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Care to explain this? Would you criticize his elbow placement more than anything?
Yes, it flares out too much. So as a defender if you're shading him left, he puts the ball off the dribble right in front of you. That's what MJ noticed, and that's how Kobe took advantage of it. Kobe had NEVER played LeBron like this prior to that game, FYI. That's the only time it's really a problem for him, if you guard him like that.

[inclinerator]

because he blocks players straight up nowadays

[blood yes]

Great post. Been saying this all along. Although the outcome of the ASG is meaningless but the individual challenges that occur during these events is the reason why millions and millions watch this game.

If a superstar gets called out and backs down, he's a chump. You being called in front of millions, you have to bring it. Kobe brought it and Lebron didn't.

It just shows you what separates legendary players like Kobe and good players like Lebron. The gap is huge in regards to the things they can do.

Lemme ask you a question, and be serious, who is the best player in the nba today?

[blood yes]

Not as impactful as ISH servers choking when the block happened. Lebron stans were too shook that day, just like his boy.

Lemme ask you a question, and be serious, who is the best player in the nba today?

[HiphopRelated]

simple, Heat don't turn over the ball that much

[TheCorporation]

because he blocks players straight up nowadays

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2746093/leblockepic.gif

[funnystuff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881TWt7z_Qg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOAV2mVFaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOHxEjlYRI


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[Lebron23]

Lebron had plenty of Chase Down blocks since January of 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfULNDH3l8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siGVnvGenIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWzduqhEXYg

"Get that weak stuff from here"