Tim Duncan or LB James

[BruceLeeBowen]

You're gonna start a team, both in their absolute prime. Who you gonna pick?
Before the haters call LBJ quitter and choker. Duncan = fiba and choking last finals.

[Spaulding]

Don't be stupid.. this isn't even close.

It's stupid to say "this isn't even close"

Id say its a 50/50 thing really. Duncan is a GOAT, still ranked above lebron.

[IGOTGAME]

Right now Duncan. Prime Duncan shits on this league.

[JellyBean]

You can't lose either way. With that being said, even though I can't stand Tim Duncan, I gotta start my team with a solid and legit 6'11-7 footer. I would pick Duncan over Lebron.

[BruceLeeBowen]

Don't be stupid.. this isn't even close.
Center position now is weak as shit. Duncan can pretty much stat pad his way into mvp.

[PickernRoller]

A big with fundamentals or a choker that that shies away from the moment?

Not hard to pick. Duncan.

[BruceLeeBowen]

A big with fundamentals or a choker that that shies away from the moment?

Not hard to pick. Duncan.
As if Duncan isn't a choker.:rolleyes: btw lbj being a choker is so 2011.:lol

[Bandito]

Don't be stupid.. this isn't even close.
I know right? The correct choice is Duncan and is not even close.

[RRR3]

Why do you have a Spurs player in your username if you are hating on Duncan? :wtf:

[BruceLeeBowen]

Why do you have a Spurs player in your username if you are hating on Duncan? :wtf:
1.) Tribute to the greatest ankle breaker the league has ever seen.
2.) he isn't in the spurs roster anymore
3.) I ain't even hating on Duncan. I stated in the OP that if they're going to mention the choke job that happened years ago, they should also put into consideration Duncans choking last Finals.

[alec613]

The one who wouldn't quit on his team after promising the fans a championship, and taking the easy way out by joining his superstar friends.

Always good to have a loyal superstar, a quiet one who doesn't cause any distraction to the team

[Fresh Kid]

I will pass:oldlol:

[BruceLeeBowen]

a quiet one who doesn't cause any distraction to the team
Duncans probably too busy looking at d*ck prints to fool around.

[imdaman99]

are we talking about 4 rings or 2 rings with 2 stinkers?

[deja vu]

Duncan is a proven winner, LeBron isn't.

Tim stayed with the franchise that drafted him and turned it into a dynasty.

Whereas LeBron joined two other superstars to try to build a dynasty. :lol

[INDI]

As good as lebron is, I wouldnt think twice about taking a prime Duncan over him

[Fudge]

Duncan easily.

[riseagainst]

Duncan stayed with his team and won chips with his team. Lebron can't win with his original team so he finds another great team to join.

Not hard at all, Duncan quite easily.

[Myth]

Old man Duncan almost beat James. Of course I'm taking prime Duncan.

[Segatti]

I think Duncan had once a worst team than Lebron in his entire carrer (2011).

I would chose Lebron.

[Harison]

Give me Timmy.

[zoom17]

Don't be stupid.. this isn't even close.
:roll: :roll:

[zoom17]

Duncan is a proven winner, LeBron isn't.

Tim stayed with the franchise that drafted him and turned it into a dynasty.

Whereas LeBron joined two other superstars to try to build a dynasty. :lol
:facepalm going for his third title in a row

[zoom17]

Duncan is a proven winner, LeBron isn't.

Tim stayed with the franchise that drafted him and turned it into a dynasty.

Whereas LeBron joined two other superstars to try to build a dynasty. :lol
:roll: :roll: And since when bosh was ever a superstar at best all star Just like shaq said it big 2.5 and big 3

[TheReal Kendall]

Duncan.

I'll like to have a great big.

Plus he won't leave when the going gets tough and no off the court drama.

All around great dude.

It's easier to find pieces to work with Duncan also

[zoom17]

Duncan.

I'll like to have a great big.

Plus he won't leave when the going gets tough and no off the court drama.

All around great dude.

It's easier to find pieces to work with Duncan also

I didnt know he was getting a divorce he kept that on the down low and the media didn't care imagine if lebron was the one getting a divorce even though he is not married yet

[TheReal Kendall]

I didnt know he was getting a divorce he kept that on the down low and the media didn't care imagine if lebron was the one getting a divorce even though he is not married yet

It would be all over the media.

Like literally ever station and blog.

[Lebron23]

Duncan is a proven winner, LeBron isn't.

Tim stayed with the franchise that drafted him and turned it into a dynasty.

Whereas LeBron joined two other superstars to try to build a dynasty. :lol


Back to back NBA Champion. Lebron would have the same numbers of Finals MVP as Tim Duncan if the Heat wins their 3rd straight NBA Championship next season.

[Quickening]

LBJ, better player and brings in way more revenue for the franchise..

[The Choken One]

Prime Duncan is levels above LeBron.

Not to mention even when it's close, you always be a great big man. But lets be serious, this isn't close at all. Duncan can lead a team to the promise land. LeBron needs to other stars to accomplish that feat.

[AintNoSunshine]

I will pass:oldlol:


Would you rather take melo?

[nathanjizzle]

tim duncan. lebron still has not developed the it factor

[plowking]

Unbelievable how many bullshit answers you have to sift through. Very few sincere answers in here.

[kobeef24]

It's actually a pretty close decision. I think I'd pick Timmy for his defense, but it really depends on your team comp.

[BruceLeeBowen]

are we talking about 4 rings or 2 rings with 2 stinkers?
:lol did you even watch how the Spurs got their fourth ring? Horrys attempted murder against Nash, bowen doing his kung fu magic then the rest of the team flopping their way to the finals.:lol Btw parker was the finals mvp. Ish logic = parker carried Duncan in the finals.:lol

So its 3 rings against 2. B2b btw.

If your going to downplay lbj 2nd ring bec of Ray Allens 3. Robert Horry clutch 3 also save Duncans ass in their 3rd 'ship and Manus beasting in their home game also helped.:lol Manu = real finals mvp:applause:

[BruceLeeBowen]

Duncan is a proven winner, LeBron isn't.

Tim stayed with the franchise that drafted him and turned it into a dynasty.

Whereas LeBron joined two other superstars to try to build a dynasty. :lol
B2b championship, 2 fmvp and countless other awards isn't considered a winner?:lol

Spurs good management turn the Spurs into a Dynasty.

[deja vu]

B2b championship, 2 fmvp and countless other awards isn't considered a winner?:lol

Spurs good management turn the Spurs into a Dynasty.
Joined two other superstars (or 1 and a half if you think Bosh is no longer one :lol ) to win titles. Before that, he was a perennial choker and loser who got his top-seeded teams losing to the Magic and Celtics. :bowdown:

[BruceLeeBowen]

Joined two other superstars (or 1 and a half if you think Bosh is no longer one :lol ) to win titles. Before that, he was a perennial choker and loser who got his top-seeded teams losing to the Magic and Celtics. :bowdown:
The "choker" only got way out of hand after the 2011 PO.:coleman: After that he won b2b.
You wanna know whats funny? The mavs D not getting any recognition.:lol it's all because of Lebron choking and the mavs D got nothing to do with that.:lol I feel sorry for the Mavs fanbase.:sleeping

[PickernRoller]

The "choker" only got way out of hand after the 2011 PO.:coleman: After that he won b2b.
You wanna know whats funny? The mavs D not getting any recognition.:lol it's all because of Lebron choking and the mavs D got nothing to do with that.:lol I feel sorry for the Mavs fanbase.:sleeping

Damn if we replaced Lebron with Kobe, MJ or Pierce or anyone superstar for that matter the Mavs would have still won so soundly or caused the same effect to the production of the players mentioned. I love the spin by Lebron stans, any way you spin it, you can pretty much tear their theories apart from any angle. You're right, the Mavs defence was otherworldly. NOT

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron was actually able to win back to back titles.

[sundizz]

PRIME Duncan with Wade and Bosh would of cleaned house too.

If the matchup was Prime Duncan with Wade, Bosh and rest of Heatles vs. Prime current Bron with Wade, Bosh and rest of Heatles...the Duncan team wins a 7 game series.

[2010splash]

Duncan was great but definitely not on LeBron's level. Enough with the silly talk. LeBron is one of 2-3 candidates for GOAT peak player. Duncan isn't even close to matching LeBron's best seasons (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013).

Duncan is more on Hakeem's level I'd say. LeBron is up there with Jordan and Shaq for GOAT peak.

[Duncan21formvp]

Tim Duncan quite easily. Duncan actually brought the franchise that drafted him multiple titles as the man and a franchise that never won before he came. Lebron left the franchise that drafted him to join forces with a proven champion in his city who had already won a title as the man.

[secund2nun]

You can argue either, but we have butthurt clowns in here saying lies like Lebron is not a winner right after he won back to back titles :roll:

2 years ago they were probably saying "Lebron will NEVER win a title" then "This is the only title Lebron will ever win" and now they are just butthurt.

They also ignore reality like how Bosh was destroyed in the ECF and finals and how Wade was invisbile for large parts of the playoffs last season or how Bosh was out for nearly the entire Indy and Boston series last season and how Wade was very injured. They try to paint a picture that everyone is healthy and this is prime Wade, those delusional fools.

[zoom17]

You can argue either, but we have butthurt clowns in here saying lies like Lebron is not a winner right after he won back to back titles :roll:

2 years ago they were probably saying "Lebron will NEVER win a title" then "This is the only title Lebron will ever win" and now they are just butthurt.

They also ignore reality like how Bosh was destroyed in the ECF and finals and how Wade was invisbile for large parts of the playoffs last season or how Bosh was out for nearly the entire Indy and Boston series last season and how Wade was very injured. They try to paint a picture that everyone is healthy and this is prime Wade, those delusional fools.

:roll: :roll:

[longtime lurker]

Back to back NBA Champion. Lebron would have the same numbers of Finals MVP as Tim Duncan if the Heat wins their 3rd straight NBA Championship next season.

Yet more titles and better finals record.......

[BruceLeeBowen]

Lebron left the franchise that drafted him to join forces with a proven champion in his city who had already won a title as the man.
Shaq left Orlando, waited for Kobe to develop before winning any championship then joined another superstar in heat yet people will choose him over Duncan.:rolleyes:

Lebron left Cavs, joined another star, eastern conf champ in their 1st year together and later winning back to back. LbJ>>>Duncan:rockon:

[MavsSuperFan]

Prime duncan would wreck a league where the best big man is D12

[LongLiveTheKing]

If Lebron had the teams that Duncan had early in his career he would've also won.
I'll take Lebron in his prime.

[deja vu]

If Lebron had the teams that Duncan had early in his career he would've also won.
I'll take Lebron in his prime.
Too bad, the Spurs ain't stacked when they won titles.

[Shade8780]

Give me LeBron. He's a freak.

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/4639511+_93ae0c10893ec10246c42668b1e30a1d.jpg

[2010splash]

People using championships to determine who's better!! :roll: :roll:

What was LeBron supposed to do before 2011, win titles with Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Andy Varejao, Donyell Marshall? LOL!! Let's see Duncan win it all with those scrubs.

Duncan's had a championship team around him since 1999. LeBron has only had a championship team around him from 2011-2013. Easily LeBron.

[Scholar]

I'll go with Duncan.

No disrespect to LeBron, he is an all-time talent, but he's proven if the going gets tough, he leaves. So if I'm building a team around one player, I'd like the confidence of knowing he'll stay for the long run, through thick and thin.

[Segatti]

I'll go with Duncan.

No disrespect to LeBron, he is an all-time talent, but he's proven if the going gets tough, he leaves. So if I'm building a team around one player, I'd like the confidence of knowing he'll stay for the long run, through thick and thin.

If Duncan had Mo Williams as his best second option he would leave too, trust me.

[DMAVS41]

People using championships to determine who's better!! :roll: :roll:

What was LeBron supposed to do before 2011, win titles with Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Andy Varejao, Donyell Marshall? LOL!! Let's see Duncan win it all with those scrubs.

Duncan's had a championship team around him since 1999. LeBron has only had a championship team around him from 2011-2013. Easily LeBron.

Duncan won in 03...albeit with some luck (Kobe ruining the Lakers and Dirk getting hurt in the WCF)

Check out the 03 Spurs. The 09 Cavs were just as good...of course I don't blame Lebron for 09, but Duncan found a way to win with an incredibly weak roster.

So I don't see how this is a valid argument.

[The Choken One]

When skill is close (not that it is in this situation) always go with the big man.

Duncan, even at his age, is still a prime performer. LeBron won't be dominant after the age of 35, possibly even younger. He'll still be a point forward, but without his blow by game, his game will severely diminish. Being a big man, Duncan's game was far easier to adapt, and Duncan in his prime...forget about it.

Duncan's prime and longevity > LeBron's

[Odinn]

If Duncan had Mo Williams as his best second option he would leave too, trust me.
So basically you are saying you weren't followin NBA in the early '00s. Because Duncan's 2001-02 cast was worse than LeBron's 2008-09 cast and Duncan's 2002-03 cast was worse than LeBron's 2009-10 cast. Instead of quitting on his team Duncan made that team a championship team and he didn't leave San Antonio.

[2010splash]

Duncan won in 03...albeit with some luck (Kobe ruining the Lakers and Dirk getting hurt in the WCF)

Check out the 03 Spurs. The 09 Cavs were just as good...of course I don't blame Lebron for 09, but Duncan found a way to win with an incredibly weak roster.

So I don't see how this is a valid argument.
Duncan's 03 team wasn't very good, but as you said, his competition was weak as well. There haven't been many teams in Finals history as bad as the 03 Nets either. The rest of his championship teams were way better than anything LeBron had before Miami.

And also as you said, LeBron losing in 09 was anything but his fault and his playoff run that year was actually better than anything Duncan ever did. 35/9/7 with a 61.8 TS% and a 37.4 PER including a 39/8/8 series average against the Magic. If you lose with that kind of dominance, it means your team is really awful.

Duncan just isn't as dominant as LeBron.

[kNicKz]

Duncan (obviously)

[2010splash]

Tim Duncan quite easily. Duncan actually brought the franchise that drafted him multiple titles as the man and a franchise that never won before he came. Lebron left the franchise that drafted him to join forces with a proven champion in his city who had already won a title as the man.
LeBron is easily better than Duncan. You really think Duncan was good enough to carry a banged up 2012 and 2013 Heat team to titles? Hell naw. It's amazing how dumb people are to actually believe Duncan was ever better than LeBron. It's like saying Garnett was better than Shaq or that Hakeem was better than Jordan. Silly people.

Think he could have led the 2007 Cavs to the Finals? Nope.

Or carried the junk Cavs to 60+ win seasons? These aren't stacked teams with Parker, Ginobili and a top 4 all-time coach now. :rockon:

[rmt]

LeBron is easily better than Duncan. You really think Duncan was good enough to carry a banged up 2012 and 2013 Heat team to titles? Hell naw. It's amazing how dumb people are to actually believe Duncan was ever better than LeBron. It's like saying Garnett was better than Shaq or that Hakeem was better than Jordan. Silly people.

Think he could have led the 2007 Cavs to the Finals? Nope.

Or carried the junk Cavs to 60+ win seasons? These aren't stacked teams with Parker, Ginobili and a top 4 all-time coach now. :rockon:

Heat 11-12 playoffs
Wade 22.8 / 5.2 / 4.3 / 1.7 / 1.3 46.2% FG
Bosh 14 / 7.8 / 1 49.3%
Chalmers 11.3 / 3.5 / 3.9 1.2 44.2%

Heat 12-13 playoffs
Wade 15.9 / 4.6 / 4.8 / 1.7 45.7%
Bosh 12.1 / 7.3 / 1.5 / 1.6 45.8%
Allen 10.2 / 2.8 / 1.3 43%
Chalmers 9.4 / 2.3 / 3.1 / 0.9 41.5%

Spurs 02-03 playoffs
Parker 14.7 / 2.8 / 3.5 / 0.9 40.3%
SJax 12.8 / 4.1 / 2.7 / 1.4 41.4%
Manu 9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 / 1.7 38.6%

You need to look at the facts. No matter how banged up you claim Lebron's team mates were, they still out-produced and out-performed Duncan's in 03. None of Duncan's top 3 options shot OVER 41.4%. All of Lebron's top options shot OVER 41.4%.

Parker and SJax were 2nd year players, Manu was a rookie, Pop was nowhere close to a top 4 all-time coach. Wade, Bosh and Allen have tons of experience - have been franchise players.

If a 37 year old Duncan was the best big man last year, imagine what a PRIME Duncan would do in the playoffs - especially against Bosh, Anderson and Haslem. Who would be stopping a PRIME Duncan - Dwight, Pau, Randolph, Marc, Bogut? They all didn't do too well against an old TD.

[DMAVS41]

Duncan's 03 team wasn't very good, but as you said, his competition was weak as well. There haven't been many teams in Finals history as bad as the 03 Nets either. The rest of his championship teams were way better than anything LeBron had before Miami.

And also as you said, LeBron losing in 09 was anything but his fault and his playoff run that year was actually better than anything Duncan ever did. 35/9/7 with a 61.8 TS% and a 37.4 PER including a 39/8/8 series average against the Magic. If you lose with that kind of dominance, it means your team is really awful.

Duncan just isn't as dominant as LeBron.


Which Duncan? The Duncan now? Or the Duncan that did;

25/15/5 58% TS while dominating defensively? Not sure Lebron has ever dominated like that in the playoffs. 2012 Lebron was pretty dominant on both ends, but I'd take 03 Duncan over any version of Lebron probably. Close...actually is pretty close for me, but there was a stretch in which Duncan was just so great on both ends.

[DMAVS41]

Heat 11-12 playoffs
Wade 22.8 / 5.2 / 4.3 / 1.7 / 1.3 46.2% FG
Bosh 14 / 7.8 / 1 49.3%
Chalmers 11.3 / 3.5 / 3.9 1.2 44.2%

Heat 12-13 playoffs
Wade 15.9 / 4.6 / 4.8 / 1.7 45.7%
Bosh 12.1 / 7.3 / 1.5 / 1.6 45.8%
Allen 10.2 / 2.8 / 1.3 43%
Chalmers 9.4 / 2.3 / 3.1 / 0.9 41.5%

Spurs 02-03 playoffs
Parker 14.7 / 2.8 / 3.5 / 0.9 40.3%
SJax 12.8 / 4.1 / 2.7 / 1.4 41.4%
Manu 9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 / 1.7 38.6%

You need to look at the facts. No matter how banged up you claim Lebron's team mates were, they still out-produced and out-performed Duncan's in 03. None of Duncan's top 3 options shot OVER 41.4%. All of Lebron's top options shot OVER 41.4%.

Parker and SJax were 2nd year players, Manu was a rookie, Pop was nowhere close to a top 4 all-time coach. Wade, Bosh and Allen have tons of experience - have been franchise players.

If a 37 year old Duncan was the best big man last year, imagine what a PRIME Duncan would do in the playoffs - especially against Bosh, Anderson and Haslem. Who would be stopping a PRIME Duncan - Dwight, Pau, Randolph, Marc, Bogut? They all didn't do too well against an old TD.

Yea...and although the 03 competition happened to be really weak...the 13 competition was also really weak.

25/15/5 58% TS and best defensive player in playoffs. Absurd. Had someone telling me in another thread that they ranked Kobe over Duncan because Kobe had a better peak than 03 Duncan in the playoffs. ROFL...

[KyleKong]

Duncan, just because he can last 20+ years and still produce the exact same stat line.

[SuperPippen]

:roll: at those arguing that this isn't close.


Two incredible players, but Duncan gives me more on the defensive end, is arguably the most consistent star in NBA history, and isn't a diva (although that last point is completely subjective).

[Legends66NBA7]

:roll: at those arguing that this isn't close.

It's the ISH norm for a lot of posters here. Absolutely cringe after reading a statement followed by "not even close" or "easily", when it's literally the exact opposite of those terms.

[ThickassGlasses]

Heat 11-12 playoffs
Wade 22.8 / 5.2 / 4.3 / 1.7 / 1.3 46.2% FG
Bosh 14 / 7.8 / 1 49.3%
Chalmers 11.3 / 3.5 / 3.9 1.2 44.2%

Heat 12-13 playoffs
Wade 15.9 / 4.6 / 4.8 / 1.7 45.7%
Bosh 12.1 / 7.3 / 1.5 / 1.6 45.8%
Allen 10.2 / 2.8 / 1.3 43%
Chalmers 9.4 / 2.3 / 3.1 / 0.9 41.5%

Spurs 02-03 playoffs
Parker 14.7 / 2.8 / 3.5 / 0.9 40.3%
SJax 12.8 / 4.1 / 2.7 / 1.4 41.4%
Manu 9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 / 1.7 38.6%

You need to look at the facts. No matter how banged up you claim Lebron's team mates were, they still out-produced and out-performed Duncan's in 03. None of Duncan's top 3 options shot OVER 41.4%. All of Lebron's top options shot OVER 41.4%.

Parker and SJax were 2nd year players, Manu was a rookie, Pop was nowhere close to a top 4 all-time coach. Wade, Bosh and Allen have tons of experience - have been franchise players.

If a 37 year old Duncan was the best big man last year, imagine what a PRIME Duncan would do in the playoffs - especially against Bosh, Anderson and Haslem. Who would be stopping a PRIME Duncan - Dwight, Pau, Randolph, Marc, Bogut? They all didn't do too well against an old TD.


The only thing to mention on top of this, is that the Heat need/rely on that kind of performance from Wade and Bosh (actually more from both of them) to win, whereas the Spurs were built much more like a team.

Could Duncan have reached the Finals with the Heat the past three years? Possibly, but I do not think they'd be a better team. It's 50/50 to be honest, it all depends on how you would like to build your team, both are easy to build around and could win with multiple teams.

I suppose I'd lean towards LeBron very slightly because he is a little more versatile, but it's a hard call.

[red1]

Close but I take timmy. Bron is more flashy and gets your team more coverage but in today's centre-less era, timmy is good for 5 rings minimum

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron is the better player. It's not even a debate. The only time Duncan beat him was when he played with scrub Cleveland teammates. This is Lebron, easily.

[kNicKz]

Lebron is the better player. It's not even a debate. The only time Duncan beat him was when he played with scrub Cleveland teammates. This is Lebron, easily.

37 year old took him to 7 games in his prime :eek:

2003 Spurs in 5

[rmt]

The only thing to mention on top of this, is that the Heat need/rely on that kind of performance from Wade and Bosh (actually more from both of them) to win, whereas the Spurs were built much more like a team.

Could Duncan have reached the Finals with the Heat the past three years? Possibly, but I do not think they'd be a better team. It's 50/50 to be honest, it all depends on how you would like to build your team, both are easy to build around and could win with multiple teams.

I suppose I'd lean towards LeBron very slightly because he is a little more versatile, but it's a hard call.

It's only in this pathetic age of big men that the Heat can win championships. If it were going against teams of old with dominant bigs (Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, KAJ, Wilt), there is no way they'd be winning. Look at what Roy Hibbert did to them.

With a PRIME Duncan, one would have the post game offensively and an anchor for the defense - very easy to build around. MIA with Lebron as the focal point lacks the paint/post defense against any decent big. It's much harder to get a decent big these days and much easier to get a decent perimeter player. Prime Duncan would have to be double-teamed (resulting in wide open shots for his team mates) or your bigs would get in foul trouble. With Lebron, just lay off him ala Paul George or Kwahi Leonard or Jimmy Butler (all 2nd or 3rd year players) and dare him to shoot.

[SilkkTheShocker]

37 year old took him to 7 games in his prime :eek:

2003 Spurs in 5

Find someone else to take you troll bait son.

[red1]

37 year old took him to 7 games in his prime :eek:

2003 Spurs in 5
future repped

[TheMarkMadsen]

37 year old took him to 7 games in his prime :eek:

2003 Spurs in 5


Dat ether

[BruceLeeBowen]

Bump.