Why is Charles Barkley ranked so highly?

[Connor B]

I feel like I am missing something. He is consistently top 20 all time. No rings, one MVP, questionable work ethic. Yeah, very, very skilled and played during Jordan era, but still. Someone explain. Love him as a person but if we're talking top 20 straight up...how?

[jzek]

No rings

It's because he played in the Jordan era.

Kobe, LeBron, etc. all wouldn't have won a ring too if they played in the Jordan era. Hell, no one was able to beat Jordan in his prime. Barkley (like Malone) gets a pass because of it.

[red1]

because he was a beast?

[Knicks101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NMW9d-rPtg

[SilkkTheShocker]

Overweight, locker room malcontent, poor work ethic.....the man was a loser.

[red1]

Overweight, locker room malcontent, poor work ethic.....the man was a loser.
choker, delusional diva, poor hairline ..... the man is a loser

[Legends66NBA7]

Hell, no one was able to beat Jordan in his prime. Barkley (like Malone) gets a pass because of it.

The Celtics and Pistons beat the Bulls during Jordan's prime.

And no, Barkley and Malone don't gets passes for losing to Jordan led teams they only faced a combined 5 times in 63 total playoff series between them.

[noob cake]

I feel like I am missing something. He is consistently top 20 all time. No rings, one MVP, questionable work ethic. Yeah, very, very skilled and played during Jordan era, but still. Someone explain. Love him as a person but if we're talking top 20 straight up...how?

Prepare yourself for Sir Charles/Round Mound

[HomieWeMajor]

Inb4 Bold Text !

[noob cake]

Inb4 Bold Text !

Also SirCharles, if you are writing an essay right now, please go easy on this noob/OP.

[bizil]

It's because of his peak value and pretty good longevity being a dominant player. Chuck peak value wise is arguably the best PF of all time. I can't really think of PF who could force his force his will like Chuck on the offensive side of the ball. U had many beasts who played PF, but Chuck was a freak athlete with SF type of skills. He in many ways was a point forward kind of player. Different than guys like Duncan, Mailman, Dirk, Hayes, McHale, etc. And guys with point forward capabilities like KG and C-Webb weren't quite as dominant scoring as Chuck. All of this AND he was one of the greatest rebounders of all time. Plus impact on the game counts as well. He redefined the PF position and was also one of the leagues 4-5 transcendant kind of players. MJ, Magic, BIrd, and Chuck were the league's four most marketable players once Dr. J retired. And Chuck was unique because he had the rebel and bad boy persona.

Some guys are so great peak value wise that they will be ranked higher than many greats with rings. Chuck, Stockton, Malone, Nique, and Ewing were so great at their best EVERYONE knew they were top 10 all time talents at their respective positions. If u are that good for long periods of time, u SHOULD be rated over many guys with rings. It's just that u can't rank them ahead of gods like MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Moses, Hakeem, Hondo, West, or Big O. Because even though they maybe close in talent with those, the rings are often the tiebreaker.

[Fresh Kid]

:confusedshrug:

[AngelEyes]

Because he was a ****ing monster. He had the strength of a chimp. The guy was 6'5" and was throwing people around like rag dolls, one of the most unique athletes ever.

[Young X]

Because he's one of the GOAT offensive players and rebounders in the history of the league. Completely unstoppable and dominant. He won an MVP and nearly won another over Jordan when they were both in their primes. Basically Durant with much better rebounding. (scary)

[aj1987]

choker, delusional diva, poor hairline ..... the man is a loser
Eh, you would've been right before the 21st of June 2012. Not anymore.

[ProfessorMurder]

To quote the former poster GOAT, "Barkley was the only guy I've ever seen that could elevate his game to the same level as Jordan for stretches."

If you didn't watch him, you'll never get it. Simple as that.

[SyRyanYang]

Inb4 Bold Text !

:roll: :roll:

[iamgine]

I feel like I am missing something. He is consistently top 20 all time. No rings, one MVP, questionable work ethic. Yeah, very, very skilled and played during Jordan era, but still. Someone explain. Love him as a person but if we're talking top 20 straight up...how?
But still what? You answered your own question.

[kNicKz]

If you didn't watch him, you'll never get it. Simple as that.

^^^

[Spaulding]

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All day.

[kNicKz]

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[Round Mound]

It's because of his peak value and pretty good longevity being a dominant player. Chuck peak value wise is arguably the best PF of all time. I can't really think of PF who could force his force his will like Chuck on the offensive side of the ball. U had many beasts who played PF, but Chuck was a freak athlete with SF type of skills. He in many ways was a point forward kind of player. Different than guys like Duncan, Mailman, Dirk, Hayes, McHale, etc. And guys with point forward capabilities like KG and C-Webb weren't quite as dominant scoring as Chuck. All of this AND he was one of the greatest rebounders of all time. Plus impact on the game counts as well. He redefined the PF position and was also one of the leagues 4-5 transcendant kind of players. MJ, Magic, BIrd, and Chuck were the league's four most marketable players once Dr. J retired. And Chuck was unique because he had the rebel and bad boy persona.

Some guys are so great peak value wise that they will be ranked higher than many greats with rings. Chuck, Stockton, Malone, Nique, and Ewing were so great at their best EVERYONE knew they were top 10 all time talents at their respective positions. If u are that good for long periods of time, u SHOULD be rated over many guys with rings. It's just that u can't rank them ahead of gods like MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Moses, Hakeem, Hondo, West, or Big O. Because even though they maybe close in talent with those, the rings are often the tiebreaker.

:applause:

[97 bulls]

As far as talent, Barkley is top 5. His work ethic held him back. He joked routinely about hiw bad he was at defense. He was a cancer, had run-ins with the law, and didnt take the game seriously.

He ranks highly due to great scoring stats and an MVP. But I honestly see no difference between his career as a great scorer and rebounder, and Dennis Rodman who was a great defender and rebounder.

[JtotheIzzo]

I feel like I am missing something. He is consistently top 20 all time. No rings, one MVP, questionable work ethic. Yeah, very, very skilled and played during Jordan era, but still. Someone explain. Love him as a person but if we're talking top 20 straight up...how?


If you saw him play it would all make perfect sense.

He destroyed everyone in his era except Jordan.

The 1990 MVP should also be Barkley's (his best season) they gave Magic a lifetime achievement MVP instead. Barkley had more first place votes but a lot of the media voted him really low because he spit on a fan and the whole 'I am not a role model' controversy.

Barkley had 38 first place votes, Magic had 27 and MJ had 21. Barkley was snubbed by biased members of the media who put him low on the ballot. Magic won on the strength of his second place votes.

It was horseshit.

[Round Mound]

If you saw him play it would all make perfect sense.

He destroyed everyone in his era except Jordan.

The 1990 MVP should also be Barkley's (his best season) they gave Magic a lifetime achievement MVP instead. Barkley had more first place votes but a lot of the media voted him really low because he spit on a fan and the whole 'I am not a role model' controversy.

Barkley had 38 first place votes, Magic had 27 and MJ had 21. Barkley was snubbed by biased members of the media who put him low on the ballot. Magic won on the strength of his second place votes.

It was horseshit.

:applause:

[andgar923]

As a Jordan fan he was one of the two players I feared the most.

You knew he'd bring it.

One could question is "work ethic" but not his intensity on the court. One of the hardest, toughest players to ever play.

[JtotheIzzo]

As a Jordan fan he was one of the two players I feared the most.

You knew he'd bring it.

One could question is "work ethic" but not his intensity on the court. One of the hardest, toughest players to ever play.

I hate the fact that some people use his Houston days and his last days in Phoenix as a barometer for his career work ethic.

He was one of the hardest working players in the league during his Philly days.

[lucky001]

How much better could he really be on defense even if he tried? He was undersized, without an elton brand like reach to compensate. He was never going to be an anchor at the 3/4. Maybe saving his energy for something he couldn't be good at allowed him to focus on the stuff he was great at doing.

He could have done better with conditioning. Maybe a longer career or avoided some of the injuries he had. All in all, he pretty much had the best career he could have had. He was good enough to get the ring at the 1st option if he had a few lucky breaks.

[97 bulls]

How much better could he really be on defense even if he tried? He was undersized, without an elton brand like reach to compensate. He was never going to be an anchor at the 3/4. Maybe saving his energy for something he couldn't be good at allowed him to focus on the stuff he was great at doing.

He could have done better with conditioning. Maybe a longer career or avoided some of the injuries he had. All in all, he pretty much had the best career he could have had. He was good enough to get the ring at the 1st option if he had a few lucky breaks.
Wow. This is one of the lamest attempts at damage control I've ever seen. So to summarize, its ok to not even be a half-assed defender due to not being tall enough. Forget effort. Controling weight etc.

Then you say he could've won a championship as a number option. He was a number 1 option. He was on some great teams. With homecourt. He lost

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Because he's one of the GOAT offensive players and rebounders in the history of the league. Completely unstoppable and dominant.

because he was a beast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NMW9d-rPtg

Because he was a ****ing monster. He had the strength of a chimp. The guy was 6'5" and was throwing people around like rag dolls, one of the most unique athletes ever.

To quote the former poster GOAT, "Barkley was the only guy I've ever seen that could elevate his game to the same level as Jordan for stretches."

If you didn't watch him, you'll never get it. Simple as that.

If you saw him play it would all make perfect sense.

He destroyed everyone in his era except Jordan.

qft and /thread.

Another typical young kid who only looks at stats, rings and hardware and doesn't actually watch games. God OP was alive when Barkley was in his prime, OP can at least look up some videos or something? :facepalm :hammerhead:

[iamgine]

As far as talent, Barkley is top 5. His work ethic held him back. He joked routinely about hiw bad he was at defense. He was a cancer, had run-ins with the law, and didnt take the game seriously.

He ranks highly due to great scoring stats and an MVP. But I honestly see no difference between his career as a great scorer and rebounder, and Dennis Rodman who was a great defender and rebounder.
Wouldn't that be like comparing James Harden and Tony Allen?

[bdreason]

Watch this video, please.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhJ3w-RqJH0



It's not just impressive because he drops 27 in the 1st Q and 56 in the game, but it also showcases all his talents.

Scoring from the low block.
Scoring from the high block.
Hitting midrange jumpers.
Hitting 3 pointers.
Hitting turn around jumpers.
Rebound putbacks.
Slashing to the rim.
Scoring in the open court.
Getting to the FT line.

[97 bulls]

Wouldn't that be like comparing James Harden and Tony Allen?
How? James Harden can score in many ways. Tony Allen is a great man defender.

[VIntageNOvel]

swap barkley with bron,
barkley would win 5 already
and bron would ended up ringless and MVPless

[BoutPractice]

His individual dominance and overall level of play is so obviously comparable to that of the all-time greatest that he's forgiven for his relative lack of accomplishments.

[longtime lurker]

Because he was pretty good.

[iamgine]

How? James Harden can score in many ways. Tony Allen is a great man defender.
I mean Barkley vs Rodman is like Harden vs T.Allen

[Rolando]

At his prime, Barkley seemed to be as dominant in the post as Shaq. He could not be guarded one on one.

[ralph_i_el]

Barkley was probably the most efficient player at scoring inside the arc. He was like Lebron insofar as he was bigger than anyone his size and quicker than anyone bigger than him. He could shoot out to 3, run the break, catch it in the low post and score, beat people off the dribble facing up or backing people down. very versatile

[AussieG]

Because he had the 'it' factor that great players have, and it's not measured by stats, although forum geeks certainly love to try.

Kobe has x rings, LeBron averages x assists etc etc.

There are some things that can't be measured. You watch someone's career and you just know. Jordan is the prime example, he's the GOAT regardless of how many rings he has.

To watch the NBA during the Jordan era SUCKED because you knew he'd always win. And that's not something that can be measured, it's just something you knew to be true. LeBron's a great player but it's not even close. Not everything is about FG% or PPG.

[97 bulls]

I mean Barkley vs Rodman is like Harden vs T.Allen
How? Allen does one thing great on the court. That is defend the perimeter. Rodman defended the perimeter, post, rebounds, draws chargers all at a high level.

Harden scores in many ways. Penetration, the three ball, he can run the point. A better comparison for.Tony Allen would be Kyle Korver.

[iamgine]

How? Allen does one thing great on the court. That is defend the perimeter. Rodman defended the perimeter, post, rebounds, draws chargers all at a high level.

Harden scores in many ways. Penetration, the three ball, he can run the point. A better comparison for.Tony Allen would be Kyle Korver.
I mean Barkley vs Rodman is like Harden vs T.Allen. Barkley was a great scorer like Harden while Rodman was a great defender like Allen. Rodman wasn't more valuable defensively than defensive anchors like Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, just like Tony Allen.

[97 bulls]

I mean Barkley vs Rodman is like Harden vs T.Allen. Barkley was a great scorer like Harden while Rodman was a great defender like Allen. Rodman wasn't more valuable defensively than defensive anchors like Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, just like Tony Allen.
Well. This is where we disagree. Ben Wallace didnt really defend the opp best post player. Rasheed Wallace did. Ben, did help by blocking shots. But thats no different than Rodman drawing charges.

I do agree about Duncan.

[Papaya Petee]

He basically had a career on par with Iverson's, yet he's compared to David Robinson, Dwyane Wade, Karl Malone etc. lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

He basically had a career on par with Iverson's, yet he's compared to David Robinson, Dwyane Wade, Karl Malone etc. lol

This. :oldlol:

[iamgine]

Well. This is where we disagree. Ben Wallace didnt really defend the opp best post player. Rasheed Wallace did. Ben, did help by blocking shots. But thats no different than Rodman drawing charges.

I do agree about Duncan.
well i guess disagree

[Legends66NBA7]

To quote the former poster GOAT, "Barkley was the only guy I've ever seen that could elevate his game to the same level as Jordan for stretches."

If you didn't watch him, you'll never get it. Simple as that.

Post by the "ThaRegul8r":

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7697003&postcount=180


Sixers' star has 3 peers: Magic, Bird and Jordan

PHILADELPHIA — The season is less than a quarter over and, already, the hallowed of the hoop world are making way for another to join their ranks.

Before this season started, there were three certifiable, indisputable, non-negotiable big-impact playing legends: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. To that exalted list you can now add Charles Barkley. Maybe it was an oversight not to have included him before. Now, there is no doubt.

“He has always been up there as far as I’m concerned,” lauded Bird, who will bring his Boston Celtics into the Spectrum Tuesday to meet Barkley’s 76ers. “He comes to play. He plays hard. And he puts numbers on the board. He’s just a great basketball player.”

Last year, his third in the league, Barkley broke through and made the second All-Star team, won the rebounding title and participated in his first All-Star Game. He has picked everything up a notch this year to the point where he is the clubhouse leader for Most Valuable Player.

He is second in scoring, and first in field-goal percentage as well as ferocity. Frankly, the Sixers would be lost without him. And they know it.

“I’ve been involved in this game for 15 seasons and I do not make rash decisions,” said Hubie Brown, the former New York Knicks coach and now doing television commentary for 76er games. “But after watching this man and looking at him as a basketball player, he is in that category with Bird, Magic and Jordan, with people who fill up every stat.”

And, Brown noted, “I have noticed one thing about him this year. I haven’t heard the word ‘immature’ mentioned when people are talking about him.”

Barkley, incredibly, has turned from trash talker to eminence grise, practically overnight. Whereas, last year he ripped Bird, Johnny Most, his teammates (“wimps and complainers”) and talked with the same pugnacity he showed on the court, this year he is Churchillian by comparison.

He was composed, patient and cooperative after the Sixers’ 124-87 defeat Sunday (although he did try to smash a chair during the game). Two years ago, the Boston Garden might have been razed in a Barkley tantrum.

“I’m still disappointed, but inside, I’ve learned to live with things like this,” he said. “Hey, these are my guys. I’ve got to keep them alive. I just have to remind them this is not the end of the world.”

This is his team. In actuality, it was his team last year, but it also was Julius Erving’s farewell season, so, Barkley was, we now see, a statesman-in-waiting.

So far this season, he has led the team in scoring in 19 of the 20 games, in rebounding in 15 of the 20 games, and even joined his teammates in a Christmas video singing “Santa Claus Is Coming To Town.”

He is averaging 29.1 points and 12.6 rebounds a game. He is shooting 62 percent from the field, 65 percent from two-point range. The NBA record is 72.7 percent, set by Wilt Chamberlain in 1972-73.

He is playing an average of 38.9 minutes a game. He is second in assists to the estimable Maurice Cheeks. And, remember, he is doing it all in the trenches at the amazing height of 6-5 on his tiptoes, and with his customary, considerable (260 pounds) girth.

“I find it uncanny his ability to take the punishment he takes and get to the basket, get the free throw or make the pass. He’s double- and triple-teamed on every possession,” Brown said. “You really have to love his unselfishness and his ability to make that pass on the break. If you’re free, he’ll get you the ball.

“And,” Brown continued, “the thing you really appreciate about Charles Barkley as a coach is the shooting percentage. And you underscore that with an asterisk for his threes (three-point shots). That takes courage for a man of that size to do that. You don’t think of him as a perimeter player.”

Sunday represented Barkley’s worst outing of the season. Eighteen points, two rebounds, four turnovers. What had preceded that game, however, was a remarkable stretch in which he personally carried the Sixers to six victories in seven games and included quotes from his rivals and coaches usually reserved for the likes of Bird, Magic and Jordan.

Against Portland, he had 38 points and 24 rebounds in 42 minutes. Portland Trail Blazers Coach Mike Schuler called Barkley “a man among boys.” He had 32 points, 14 rebounds and six steals against the San Antonio Spurs.

But the game people still are talking about was last Thursday in New York against the Knicks. Barkley played 46 minutes and had 40 points, 17 rebounds, five assists and three steals. He had 19 points in the first quarter, 27 at the half, and then scored 11 points in the final 4:08 after the Knicks had cut a 16-point deficit to 91-86.

“He has had some special games, but that one in New York was one of his best,” said Sixer Coach Matt Guokas. “He just dominated. He scored when he had to, got the rebounds, did everything. It was one of the greatest performances I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a lot.”

The Knicks, too, were impressed. Knicks Coach Rick Pitino said if Barkley wasn’t the best player in the league, “he’s close to it.” And rookie Mark Jackson, who has played against Bird, added, “I can truthfully, honestly say that he’s the best basketball player I’ve faced. You can do nothing but admire him.”

Barkley purports to take all this in stride. He enjoys the limelight, the money (more than $1 million a year) and, above all, the games. The competition.

“Offensively, I think I’ve improved some this season. Obviously the experience helps,” he said. “And that carries over to the other areas. I’m playing with more confidence too. If I take a jump shot now, I feel like I’m going to hit it, not like I’m just trying to get rid of the ball.”

Does he feel at all honored to be included in such august company as Bird, Magic and Jordan?

“Sure. They’re all great competitors,” he said. “But everyone has their own opinion. I never worry about what anyone else says.”

[East_Stone_Ya]

He basically had a career on par with Iverson's, yet he's compared to David Robinson, Dwyane Wade, Karl Malone etc. lol

:applause:

[97 bulls]

Post by the "ThaRegul8r":

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7697003&postcount=180
No one is questioning his greatness. He was a tremendous talent. But his accomplishments are not top 20 worthy.

I could show the opposite end of what players and coaches thought of Barkley


Scottie Pippen
"I probably should've listened to Michael (Jordan) a year ago when he said that Charles will never win a championship because he doesn't show any dedication. I was very shocked to see what type of player he was by spending half a season with him. I'm a guy that's dedicated to winning, and I put out a lot of effort on the court. I expect that from my teammates, especially from a guy of his caliber. You know he's not willing to go the distance. There's no reason for me to put my last three or four years at risk of never winning."Charles is definitely one of the guys that needs to show more leadership for this ballclub to be successful, and he don't show that to me. ... He feels that if he gets 10 rebounds and double-figure points, he's done a good job. But that's not what the game's about. It's about defending, being professional and coming to work every day."


Charles Oakley
"I have nothing against Isiah but he made a lot of comments about the Knicks in the old days. He's a great player, just like (Charles) Barkley's a great player, but he's an [expletive]. My thing is, when Barkley played basketball, he didn't practice, he wasn't a leader, he wasn't this or that, he just had natural talent so he got chosen to the Dream Team, All Star team because he had the talent and he was the franchise player on the team. Him criticizing all those other guys, he did the same thing when he was young. As soon as they do something wrong, he criticizes them, that's wrong. He wasn't real to the game. Let the guys speak out who are real to the game. He talks like a player and I will give him that, but for him to comment about this and being a professional, he wasn't all that."

Bobby Knight cut him from the Olympic team in 84 because he was GAINING WEIGHT DURING TRYOUTS.

I wholeheartedly believe Jordan told Pippen Barkley would never win due to lack of dedication. Hell Barkley routinely jokes about being a bad defender. As well as needing a better work ethic.

[97 bulls]

well i guess disagree
Disagree about what? I hate these lame comparisons. Tony Allen is great at one thing. Man defense on the perimeter. He doesnt rebound, score, pass, hell hes not even a versitile man defender.

Kyle Korver would be the offensive version on Tony Allen. Because Korver does one thing great just like Allen. In Korvers case, its shoot.

Rodman was a versatile defender and greatest rebounder ever. He had a much higher impact on the game than an Allen type player.

[k0kakw0rld]

Rings aside, he is top 5 talent ever

He is my GOAT (tied with Timmy D.) :pimp:

[BarberSchool]

After Bird got hurt.....Barkley in his prime with the Sixers and Suns was the second best offensive player in the entire league after Mike, during Mike's era. Barkley would have won AT LEAST one chip with PHX, without mike in the picture.

He averaged like 29 and 14 every year on like 58% FG. Had 44 & 24 in a WCF game 7 while holding prime Shawn Kemp to like 14 & 6. Had hella 50+ point games. Dude constantly got doubled on those sixer teams and still put those numbers up.

Idiots.

[ProfessorMurder]

No one is questioning his greatness. He was a tremendous talent. But his accomplishments are not top 20 worthy.

Maybe not for YOUR top 20. People rank people differently.

[Round Mound]

No one is questioning his greatness. He was a tremendous talent. But his accomplishments are not top 20 worthy.

I could show the opposite end of what players and coaches thought of Barkley


Scottie Pippen
"I probably should've listened to Michael (Jordan) a year ago when he said that Charles will never win a championship because he doesn't show any dedication. I was very shocked to see what type of player he was by spending half a season with him. I'm a guy that's dedicated to winning, and I put out a lot of effort on the court. I expect that from my teammates, especially from a guy of his caliber. You know he's not willing to go the distance. There's no reason for me to put my last three or four years at risk of never winning."Charles is definitely one of the guys that needs to show more leadership for this ballclub to be successful, and he don't show that to me. ... He feels that if he gets 10 rebounds and double-figure points, he's done a good job. But that's not what the game's about. It's about defending, being professional and coming to work every day."


Charles Oakley
"I have nothing against Isiah but he made a lot of comments about the Knicks in the old days. He's a great player, just like (Charles) Barkley's a great player, but he's an [expletive]. My thing is, when Barkley played basketball, he didn't practice, he wasn't a leader, he wasn't this or that, he just had natural talent so he got chosen to the Dream Team, All Star team because he had the talent and he was the franchise player on the team. Him criticizing all those other guys, he did the same thing when he was young. As soon as they do something wrong, he criticizes them, that's wrong. He wasn't real to the game. Let the guys speak out who are real to the game. He talks like a player and I will give him that, but for him to comment about this and being a professional, he wasn't all that."

Bobby Knight cut him from the Olympic team in 84 because he was GAINING WEIGHT DURING TRYOUTS.

I wholeheartedly believe Jordan told Pippen Barkley would never win due to lack of dedication. Hell Barkley routinely jokes about being a bad defender. As well as needing a better work ethic.

[B]All Bullshit Barkley Just Didn

[Round Mound]

After Bird got hurt.....Barkley in his prime with the Sixers and Suns was the second best offensive player in the entire league after Mike, during Mike's era. Barkley would have won AT LEAST one chip with PHX, without mike in the picture.

He averaged like 29 and 14 every year on like 58% FG. Had 44 & 24 in a WCF game 7 while holding prime Shawn Kemp to like 14 & 6. Had hella 50+ point games. Dude constantly got doubled on those sixer teams and still put those numbers up.

Idiots.

Exactly. Charles in His Prime Had 3-4 Guys Rotating Defensively On Him Every Game and Nothing Could Be Done. The Dude Was The Most Dominant Offensive Force Per Shot Taken (Volume, its Jordan) and The Most Doubled and Defensive Problem Prior to Shaq.

Charles Barkley Is In The Top 11-15 GOAT Players With Ease. Had He Stayed Healthy and Took Better Care of His Body He Would Have Been Remembered More.

True NBA Fans That Watched Chuck Play In His Prime Know How Good He Really Was. Just Watch That Resume vs the Knicks in 1992 and You Can Se How Versatile, Agressive, Powerfull, Skilled and Talented He Was

[Jameerthefear]

:applause:
did you quote the wrong post :lol

[iamgine]

Disagree about what? I hate these lame comparisons. Tony Allen is great at one thing. Man defense on the perimeter. He doesnt rebound, score, pass, hell hes not even a versitile man defender.

Kyle Korver would be the offensive version on Tony Allen. Because Korver does one thing great just like Allen. In Korvers case, its shoot.

Rodman was a versatile defender and greatest rebounder ever. He had a much higher impact on the game than an Allen type player.
Rodman was a great one on one defender, like Tony Allen. He was more versatile as in he can guard more position but that's about it. Like Allen, he was not the defensive anchor nor a great help defender. There are differences like rebounding but Barkley was a great rebounder himself. Rodman had higher impact than Allen, true, but so does Barkley than Harden.

[Round Mound]

Post by the "ThaRegul8r":

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7697003&postcount=180

:applause:

[Round Mound]

did you quote the wrong post :lol

Yup, I Corrected It :oldlol: Thanks

[kNicKz]

He basically had a career on par with Iverson's, yet he's compared to David Robinson, Dwyane Wade, Karl Malone etc. lol

:facepalm

[Round Mound]

:facepalm

Exactly :applause: .

Yes Barkley Was a Chucker That Shot 41% FG On Like 24 FGAs PG :rolleyes:

Barkley Was Easily The Most Difficult To Guard Offensive Forward in NBA History Inside the 3-Point Line:

21.6 PPG on 58.13% Two-Point FG% Taking Only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG (Season Career)

22.5 PPG On 55.13% Two-Point FG% Taking Only 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Off Career)

[BarberSchool]

Exactly :applause: .

Yes Barkley Was a Chucker That Shot 41% FG On Like 24 FGAS PG :rolleyes:

Barkley Was Easily The Most Difficult To Guard Offensive Forward in NBA History Inside the 3-Point Line:

21.6 PPG on 58.13% Two-Point FG% Taking Only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG (Season Career)

22.5 PPG On 55.13% Two-Point FG% Taking Only 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Off Career)And those career numbers are even including all the bad years after he left PHX, when he was a shell of his former Sixers and Suns glory.

HIS PRIME season and playoff numbers were even sicker.

And people forget Charles was a top 3 rebounder damn near every single year. Charles is amongst the top 10 rebounders of all time.

[BarberSchool]

He basically had a career on par with Iverson's, yet he's compared to David Robinson, Dwyane Wade, Karl Malone etc. lolDo you watch the game of basketball, or just glance at PPG and chips before making statements of such brilliant and definitive certainty?

[Legends66NBA7]

Do you watch the game of basketball, or just glance at PPG and chips before making statements of such brilliant and definitive certainty?

His career isn't better than Wade, Robinson, Malone, but as talents/players he's definitely in their league.

[JtotheIzzo]

Anyone badmouthing Barkley wasn't around during his heyday.

Its as simple as that.

[97 bulls]

Anyone badmouthing Barkley wasn't around during his heyday.

Its as simple as that.
Charles Oakley, Scottie Pippen, and Bobby Knight spoke negatively towards Barkley. Barkley himself spoke abusively towards himself.

[Round Mound]

Charles Oakley, Scottie Pippen, and Bobby Knight spoke negatively towards Barkley. Barkley himself spoke abusively towards himself.

Charles Oakley Hated Charles Barkley Because The Announcers Kept Confusing His Name With Charles Barkley and Also, Because Charles Barkley Never Cared For Oaks Thug-Like Attitude He Just Kept Comming At Him In Your Face-Like. They Where In a Couple of Fights Together. Pippen? Jelous of Jordan and Never Got Recognition as a Top Player Like Barkley Did. He Lived in the Shadow of Jordan. Bobby Knight? He Did Not Pick Barkley, Stockton and Malone on 84 Olympics: BIG MISTAKES...as a Coach.

Who Cares About What Others Thought of Barkley Good or Bad...Watch His Game. He Was Unreal. Period.

[Floppy]

The day Barkley retired I felt even worse than when Jordan did.

The intensity he brought to the game made every game a joy to watch.

[97 bulls]

Charles Oakley Hated Charles Barkley Because The Announcers Kept Confusing His Name With Charles Barkley and Also, Because Charles Barkley Never Cared For Oaks Thug-Like Attitude He Just Kept Comming At Him In Your Face-Like. They Where In a Couple of Fights Together. Pippen? Jelous of Jordan and Never Got Recognition as a Top Player Like Barkley Did. He Lived in the Shadow of Jordan. Bobby Knight? He Did Not Pick Barkley, Stockton and Malone on 84 Olympics: BIG MISTAKES...as a Coach.

Who Cares About What Others Thought of Barkley Good or Bad...Watch His Game. He Was Unreal. Period.

Bobby Knight? He Did Not Pick Barkley, Stockton and Malone on 84 Olympics: BIG MISTAKES...as a Coach.
How is it a big mistake? That team won.



Pippen? Jelous of Jordan and Never Got Recognition as a Top Player Like Barkley Did. He Lived in the Shadow of Jordan.*
This makes no sense

And your Oakley summary is just comical.

[Round Mound]

How is it a big mistake? That team won.



This makes no sense

And your Oakley summary is just comical.

The Things You Say Abou Barkley Confirm You Where Not Old Enough To Even Understand The Game In The Early 90s. You Just Acredit Your Dislike For Barkley Through Comments Others Made. Who Cares What Others Though of Barkley. The Way He Played The Game Will Never Be Duplicated.

[JtotheIzzo]

Charles Oakley, Scottie Pippen, and Bobby Knight spoke negatively towards Barkley. Barkley himself spoke abusively towards himself.


Now you are just dumb and do not understand the context of those comments or more importantly that...

EVERYONE speaks ill of everyone on occasion.

Rodman 'spoke negatively' about Bird.

Jordan 'spoke negatively' about Isiah.

etc...

You don't judge a players greatness by banter and shit talking.

[guy]

As far as talent, Barkley is top 5. His work ethic held him back. He joked routinely about hiw bad he was at defense. He was a cancer, had run-ins with the law, and didnt take the game seriously.

He ranks highly due to great scoring stats and an MVP. But I honestly see no difference between his career as a great scorer and rebounder, and Dennis Rodman who was a great defender and rebounder.

Are you seriously implying that Rodman was an equal player to Barkley? :oldlol:

[julizaver]

I feel like I am missing something. He is consistently top 20 all time. No rings, one MVP, questionable work ethic. Yeah, very, very skilled and played during Jordan era, but still. Someone explain. Love him as a person but if we're talking top 20 straight up...how?

He was a unique player, not surprise to me that people put him in theirs TOP 20 list.
He and Malone were the two best PFs in the late 80s and early 90s and Malone was the best PF till 2000.
I think that like many other talented players his off-court activities increase his popularity but had a detrimental effect upon his game.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He sure didn't win a lot.

[3peated]

It's because he played in the Jordan era.

Kobe, LeBron, etc. all wouldn't have won a ring too if they played in the Jordan era. Hell, no one was able to beat Jordan in his prime. Barkley (like Malone) gets a pass because of it.



89 pistons say wsup man

[97 bulls]

The Things You Say Abou Barkley Confirm You Where Not Old Enough To Even Understand The Game In The Early 90s. You Just Acredit Your Dislike For Barkley Through Comments Others Made. Who Cares What Others Though of Barkley. The Way He Played The Game Will Never Be Duplicated.
I have nothing against Barkley. In my first post I stated hes a top 5 talent. But his lack of work ethic held him back.

The agree with yhe sentiments of the OP and a few others. What really sets Barkley apart from Allen Iverson? Hes the bizaro Dennis Rodman. Barkey was a great offensive pkayer and great rebounder with a bad attitude and terrible work ethic. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder with a bad attitude. Barkley didnt play defense. Rodman didnt score.

Rodman accomplished more in the league than Barkley. Id take a bunch of championships, two DPOY awards and multiple all defense awards over an MVP, multiple All-Star Game appearances, and 1st team awards.

[97 bulls]

Now you are just dumb and do not understand the context of those comments or more importantly that...

EVERYONE speaks ill of everyone on occasion.

Rodman 'spoke negatively' about Bird.

Jordan 'spoke negatively' about Isiah.

etc...

You don't judge a players greatness by banter and shit talking.
How can anything those players said be misconstrued? Knight cut Barkley because of his work ethic. Which manifested itself through his gaining weight during tryouts. Pippen said Barkley had a terrible work ethic, Oakley called Barkley a hypocrite for questioning current players work ethic when he (Barkley) had a rep for having a terrible work ethic himself. Pippen said Jordan warned him that Barkley would never win a championship because he wasnt dedicated. Hell even Barkley admitted he was a bad defender. And by him admitting that, he shows he has a lack of dedication.

You are delusional.

[DMAVS41]

I have nothing against Barkley. In my first post I stated hes a top 5 talent. But his lack of work ethic held him back.

The agree with yhe sentiments of the OP and a few others. What really sets Barkley apart from Allen Iverson? Hes the bizaro Dennis Rodman. Barkey was a great offensive pkayer and great rebounder with a bad attitude and terrible work ethic. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder with a bad attitude. Barkley didnt play defense. Rodman didnt score.

Rodman accomplished more in the league than Barkley. Id take a bunch of championships, two DPOY awards and multiple all defense awards over an MVP, multiple All-Star Game appearances, and 1st team awards.

Why do you always do this? You make some valid and correct points about Barkley...and then lose your mind saying Rodman was as good or as or more valuable.

That is nonsense.

But you are right. Barkley had a bad work ethic and didn't buy into the team concept or team defense the way you truly need to.

I don't know who is over-rating him though. I generally see him somewhere between 20 and 25...which seems about right. The only people that over-rate him is if someone wants to put him on a different tier than Dirk or KG..etc.

He wasn't. Nothing supports that.

[97 bulls]

Are you seriously implying that Rodman was an equal player to Barkley? :oldlol:
Im not. The facts show it. Check Rodmans teams records with and without him.

[guy]

Im not. The facts show it. Check Rodmans teams records with and without him.

Facts show what?

[OldSchoolBBall]

But I honestly see no difference between his career as a great scorer and rebounder, and Dennis Rodman who was a great defender and rebounder.

lulz :hammerhead: :roll:

[97 bulls]

Why do you always do this? You make some valid and correct points about Barkley...and then lose your mind saying Rodman was as good or as or more valuable.

That is nonsense.

But you are right. Barkley had a bad work ethic and didn't buy into the team concept or team defense the way you truly need to.

I don't know who is over-rating him though. I generally see him somewhere between 20 and 25...which seems about right. The only people that over-rate him is if someone wants to put him on a different tier than Dirk or KG..etc.

He wasn't. Nothing supports that.
Im glad to see we semi agree. I think its a preference as far as Barkley and Rodman. I just see no difference between the two.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Im glad to see we semi agree. I think its a preference as far as Barkley and Rodman. I just see no difference between the two.

Barkley plus 4 randoms against Rodman and 4 randoms. Who wins?

[guy]

Barkley plus 4 randoms against Rodman and 4 randoms. Who wins?

Rodman. He would literally shut down Barkley for 0 points and since Barkley is basically invisible on defense, it won't matter that Rodman completely sucks as a scorer cause he'll just get easy layups on Barkley all day. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Im glad to see we semi agree. I think its a preference as far as Barkley and Rodman. I just see no difference between the two.

We agree on your take on Barkley to an extent.

I could not disagree more with your nonsense idea that Rodman and Barkley are as valuable to a team.

Barkley is honestly twice as valuable...

Dud...you really need to take a class on logic or reasoning...or just rethink your thought process on basketball.

You are so lost...

[Nastradamus]

Only Wilt,Shaq,Jordan and Lebron could dominate at the level Barkley could. Elite scorer, elite rebounder, plus passer for his position. 7th all time offensive rating, 14 points higher than his defensive rating(105, which is pretty much league average, not awful like people make him sound).

[Young X]

Im glad to see we semi agree. I think its a preference as far as Barkley and Rodman. I just see no difference between the two.The reason why you think Rodman and Barkley are equal is the same reason why you think Stockton and Pippen are better than Magic and Bird. Offense and defense are not equal at all.

[DMAVS41]

The reason why you think Rodman and Barkley are equal is the same reason why you think Stockton and Pippen are better than Magic and Bird. Offense and defense are not equal at all.

He'll never get it. I've tried so many times to explain this shit to him. He still insists that Chandler was as valuable as Dirk.

Funny...I wonder what the Knicks would be like with Dirk on that team instead of Chandler. Think they might like a 26/10/3 player in the playoffs on high efficiency super clutch scorer over a 6/8 over-rated defender?

But yea...they are equal.

[97 bulls]

The reason why you think Rodman and Barkley are equal is the same reason why you think Stockton and Pippen are better than Magic and Bird. Offense and defense are not equal at all.
Barkley had the same mindset. Thats why hes a loser.

[97 bulls]

We agree on your take on Barkley to an extent.

I could not disagree more with your nonsense idea that Rodman and Barkley are as valuable to a team.

Barkley is honestly twice as valuable...

Dud...you really need to take a class on logic or reasoning...or just rethink your thought process on basketball.

You are so lost...
You need to take a class on team sports. No great offensive player won anything without a great defensive player next to him

[DMAVS41]

You need to take a class on team sports. No great offensive player won anything without a great defensive player next to him

Well, tyson chandler is not a great defensive player. Really good? Yep...great? Nah.

But even if I were to concede that...that doesn't make the two players equal in value.

And what great defensive force did Kobe have in 09 and 10? Or Lebron in 12 and 13?

I'm not sure the 88 Lakers had a great defensive force either.

A team can choose to play defense at a high level as long as a few pieces are there. Which is why your criticism of Barkley is valid...he didn't have the right mind set or work ethic to try on defense on either the individual or team concept. But implying that Rodman adds as much value to a team as Barkley is just insane.

[PHILA]

You need to take a class on team sports. No great offensive player won anything without a great defensive player next to him
Then why did you name Bill Russell as your most overrated player? He is far and away the best defensive player in NBA history, with an excellent offensive game as well. His only weakness was pure shooting.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8836441&postcount=66


"My overrated list

Russell.
I do feel hed be another Rodman or Wallace if he played today."

[PHILA]

I wonder what Russell is thinking when he turns on a game today, when the league is littered with a bunch of one dimensional catch and shoot specialists.


Sports Illustrated - November 18, 1963

"In my modest opinion," says Russell, who is not a particularly good shooter, "shooting is of relatively little importance in a player's overall game. Almost all of us in the NBA are All-Americas. We became All-Americas by averaging 20 points or more a game, so by the layman's standards all of us can shoot. It's the other phases of the game that make the difference. If you're going to score 15 and let your man score 20 you're a deficit. If your value to the team is strictly as a shooter, you are of very little value."

[PHILA]

97 bulls

Based on the available (limited) video footage (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302158), Bill Russell was 7% in shot blocking percentage and roughly 36% in defensive rebounding percentage. To be that dominant in either one of those areas is something, but to be that dominant in both? Keep in mind how shot blocking tends to take you out of proper rebounding position. Below are the career leaders for block percentage and defensive rebounding percentage.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... areer.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_pct_career.html)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... areer.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/drb_pct_career.html)


He was basically rebounding the defensive glass like Rodman and blocking shots like Hakeem/Robinson. You talk about a guy who not only doesn't have a defensive weakness, but is so dominant at virtually every area on that side, that is Bill Russell.

[Round Mound]

Rodman. He would literally shut down Barkley for 0 points and since Barkley is basically invisible on defense, it won't matter that Rodman completely sucks as a scorer cause he'll just get easy layups on Barkley all day. :oldlol:

Yup....Rodman Would Sure Shut Down Barkley! :rolleyes: :facepalm :

This is Dennis Rodman Averaged vs Barkley

7.6 PPG on 54.3% FG
11.7 RPG
1.9 APG
0.6 SPG
0.9 BPG
1.3 TOVs PG
3.8 PFs PG on 31.9 MPG.
He Almost Had 4 PFs PG in Just Over 30 MPG of Playing.

This is What Sir Charles Averaged vs Rodman:

23.7 PPG on 53.3% FG on Only 16.3 FGAs PG
13 RPG
3.7 APG
0.8 SPG
0.7 BPG
2.6 TOVs PG
3.1 PFs PG in 39.6 MPG

[Young X]

^ He was being sarcastic :oldlol:

[Round Mound]

^ He was being sarcastic :oldlol:

My Mistake...:oldlol:

But There You Got Barkley vs Rodman Head to Heads.

He Sure Would Shut Down Barkley!

[PHILA]

Barkley vs Rodman

Dennis especially in the Detroit years played him very physically, still he was no match strength wise but he was even quicker in terms of lateral movement. No way would Dennis be allowed to play like this today under these rules. Even one game early in 1990-91 Barkley was ejected for throwing an elbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGVvw755heM&t=8m36s) at him above the shoulders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=10m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=12m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=1m50s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=2m10s




"I have never seen so much contact being allowed between a defensive player and and offensive player, when you take a look at these two guys. That's Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan going at it right there, you can't get any better than that in the low post."

[crisoner]

It's because he played in the Jordan era.

Kobe, LeBron, etc. all wouldn't have won a ring too if they played in the Jordan era. Hell, no one was able to beat Jordan in his prime. Barkley (like Malone) gets a pass because of it.

BS

Jordan era was weak. GTFO with that sh*t. Jordan would NOT have won 6 titles in the 80's.

Maybe one or two but that's it.

Sick of these kids overrating the 90's.

[Young X]

^ Typical Laker fan angry that the Lakers were terrible in the 90's :oldlol:

[Pointguard]

Dennis especially in the Detroit years played him very physically, still he was no match strength wise but he was even quicker in terms of lateral movement. No way would Dennis be allowed to play like this today under these rules. Even one game early in 1990-91 Barkley was ejected for throwing an elbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGVvw755heM&t=8m36s) at him above the shoulders.

"I have never seen so much contact being allowed between a defensive player and and offensive player, when you take a look at these two guys. That's Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan going at it right there, you can't get any better than that in the low post."

Barkley said he used to pop Rodman hard early in each game to alleviate all of Rodman's stress.

[Legends66NBA7]

^ Typical Laker fan angry that the Lakers were terrible in the 90's :oldlol:

The 90's Dallas Mavericks were terrible. The 90's Lakers were either mediocre, pretty decent, and made some good runs in 91 and 98. Not really terrible.

[Round Mound]

Dennis especially in the Detroit years played him very physically, still he was no match strength wise but he was even quicker in terms of lateral movement. No way would Dennis be allowed to play like this today under these rules. Even one game early in 1990-91 Barkley was ejected for throwing an elbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGVvw755heM&t=8m36s) at him above the shoulders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=10m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=12m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=1m50s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=2m10s




"I have never seen so much contact being allowed between a defensive player and and offensive player, when you take a look at these two guys. That's Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan going at it right there, you can't get any better than that in the low post."

[B]Amazing How Much Contact The NBA Allowed Back Then Compared To Today

[Sharmer]

One of the worst threads on ISH. Obviously never watched Barkley during the 90s.

[97 bulls]

Then why did you name Bill Russell as your most overrated player? He is far and away the best defensive player in NBA history, with an excellent offensive game as well. His only weakness was pure shooting.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8836441&postcount=66


"My overrated list

Russell.
I do feel hed be another Rodman or Wallace if he played today."
Because unlike Rodman or Wallace, Russell is ranked top 5. I feel Russell is overrated due to not being a great scorer like Jordan, Wilt etc. These guys dominated both ends of the court. Magic, Bird, Barkley, Rodman, Wallace were all great players. But they were great on one side of the ball.

[97 bulls]

My Mistake...:oldlol:

But There You Got Barkley vs Rodman Head to Heads.

He Sure Would Shut Down Barkley!
:roll:
More than half of the games, Rodman played sparingly. That comparison wouldnt be fair until roughly 93. When Rodman moved to Power Forward.

[Round Mound]

:roll:
More than half of the games, Rodman played sparingly. That comparison wouldnt be fair until roughly 93. When Rodman moved to Power Forward.

:no:Rodman Would Guard Anyone at Court When He Was a SF. He Would Always Take The Most Difficult Job at Guarding the Other Teams Best Offensive Player in the Pistons Be It a Guard, Small Forward or Powerforward. Its Clear U Never Saw Barkley Play Live But The Washed Up Barkley In Houston At Most Hence Your 1997 Bulls Fanship.

Rodman Could Not Guard Prime Barkley The Whole Game Usually Because He Would Have Been Fouled Out. He Averaged 4 Personal Fouls Per Game Per 31 Minutes vs Sir Charles for his Career.

BTW: Phila Has Just Posted a Game from The 1989-1990 Season, When The Sixers Won The Conference Title Vs the Pistons (Same Game Where Sir Charles Fights Bill Laimbeer) and Rodman Guarded Barkley The Whole Game With Endless Contact Allowed.

Charles Barkley Ended Up With The Following Stat vs Rodman that Game:

36 Points (12-20) and 15 Rebounds.

[97 bulls]

:no:Rodman Would Guard Anyone at Court When He Was a SF. He Would Always Take The Most Difficult Job at Guarding the Other Teams Best Offensive Player in the Pistons Be It a Guard, Small Forward or Powerforward. Its Clear U Never Saw Barkley Play Live But The Washed Up Barkley In Houston At Most Hence Your 1997 Bulls Fanship.

Rodman Could Not Guard Prime Barkley The Whole Game Usually Because He Would Have Been Fouled Out. He Averaged 4 Personal Fouls Per Game Per 31 Minutes vs Sir Charles for his Career.

BTW: Phila Has Just Posted a Game from The 1989-1990 Season, When The Sixers Won The Conference Title Vs the Pistons (Same Game Where Sir Charles Fights Bill Laimbeer) and Rodman Guarded Barkley The Whole Game With Endless Contact Allowed.

Charles Barkley Ended Up With The Following Stat vs Rodman that Game:

36 Points (12-20) and 15 Rebounds.
That was an amazing game by Barkley. Rodmans had some outstanding games vs Barkley as well. There was one were Rodman stats read 16/25/2blks on 50% shooting and Barkley had 6 TOs.

Barkley by no means dominated Rodman.

[iamgine]

I have nothing against Barkley. In my first post I stated hes a top 5 talent. But his lack of work ethic held him back.

The agree with yhe sentiments of the OP and a few others. What really sets Barkley apart from Allen Iverson? Hes the bizaro Dennis Rodman. Barkey was a great offensive pkayer and great rebounder with a bad attitude and terrible work ethic. Rodman was a great defender and rebounder with a bad attitude. Barkley didnt play defense. Rodman didnt score.

Rodman accomplished more in the league than Barkley. Id take a bunch of championships, two DPOY awards and multiple all defense awards over an MVP, multiple All-Star Game appearances, and 1st team awards.
Exactly. Barkley vs Rodman is like James Harden vs Tony Allen.

[juju151111]

:roll:
More than half of the games, Rodman played sparingly. That comparison wouldnt be fair until roughly 93. When Rodman moved to Power Forward.
Their no comparison at all. Barkley is better. You on one of your nonesense player comparisons again.

[Round Mound]

Their no comparison at all. Barkley is better. You on one of your nonesense player comparisons again.

Obviously Barkley Owned Rodman Most of The Times They Played :applause:

[97 bulls]

Obviously Barkley Owned Rodman Most of The Times They Played :applause:
Who has the better win% head to head:eek:

[97 bulls]

Exactly. Barkley vs Rodman is like James Harden vs Tony Allen.
There are many facets for both offense and defense. James Harden does more things offensively than Allen defensively. Harden can shoot, xrive the lane, pass, and run the point. Allen plays man defense on the perimeter. How you figure they are the same is mind boggling.

Rodman Played man defense in the post, on the perimeter, drew charges, and rebounded like a mother. As well as hustled. He was great defensively

Barkley could post up, shoot, run the floor, and rebound. He was great offensively.

[eliteballer]

Who has the better win% head to head:eek:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Look at their teamates....

[Round Mound]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Look at their teamates....

:applause:

[97 bulls]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Look at their teamates....
Why are we involving teammates now. Any other time, you posters like to argue as if basketball is played 1 on 1. Why start making it a team sport now?

[iamgine]

There are many facets for both offense and defense. James Harden does more things offensively than Allen defensively. Harden can shoot, xrive the lane, pass, and run the point. Allen plays man defense on the perimeter. How you figure they are the same is mind boggling.

Rodman Played man defense in the post, on the perimeter, drew charges, and rebounded like a mother. As well as hustled. He was great defensively

Barkley could post up, shoot, run the floor, and rebound. He was great offensively.
Rodman's more versatile than Allen. That's it. They both wasn't a defensive anchor like Big Ben nor a great help defender like Pippen or Bobby Jones. Rodman's a little bit better at rebounding than Barkley so lets say T. Allen rebound a bit better than Harden, the comparison would be perfect.

[Round Mound]

[B]
Comparing Barkley to a Great Role Player? :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

Sure Dennis Rodman Could Rebound (Later in His Career) and Defend But Thats All He Could Do.

-He Couldn

[aj1987]

I didn't read all the posts, but is 97 Bulls trying to say that Rodman > Barkley???

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]
Comparing Barkley to a Great Role Player? :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

Sure Dennis Rodman Could Rebound (Later in His Career) and Defend But Thats All He Could Do.

-He Couldn

[97 bulls]

Rodman's more versatile than Allen. That's it. They both wasn't a defensive anchor like Big Ben nor a great help defender like Pippen or Bobby Jones. Rodman's a little bit better at rebounding than Barkley so lets say T. Allen rebound a bit better than Harden, the comparison would be perfect.
Its not perfect. Ben Wallace was able to block shots because Raheed Wallace helped out alot by defending the oppositions best post scorer. Which more often than not was the Power Forward.

Again, the best comparison for Tony Allen on offense would be a one dimensional scorer like Kyle Korver who is a great shooter. Korvers not gonna put the ball on the floor, or post up, run the point (anchor the offense). Just like Allen doesnt defend the post, or anchor a defense.

I dont see whats so hard about this. Every facet off offense has a defensive counterpart.

[juju151111]

Youre problem is you see defense as an afterthought. I dont. My argument will never be centered around Rodmans offense vs Barkleys.

My argument is centered around Barkleys offense vs Rodmans defense. Both leave something to be desired on the opposite end. Rodman is a better rebounder, and has a better work ethic. Id even say Rodman is better player on offense than Barkley on defense.

So then the question comes down to impact. I can make the argument Rodman impacts the game at the same level as Barkley. The greatest indicator of a players impact is the amount of success a team has with and without them. Rodman more tahn holds his own in this regard.
No he doesn't. Rodman had better teammates. Stop your nonesense. Barkley has a greater impact. Rodman would never be the centerpiece of a team.

[juju151111]

Its not perfect. Ben Wallace was able to block shots because Raheed Wallace helped out alot by defending the oppositions best post scorer. Which more often than not was the Power Forward.

Again, the best comparison for Tony Allen on offense would be a one one dimensional scorer like Kyle Korver who is a great shooter.

I dont see whats so hard about this. Every facet off offense has a defensive counterpart.
What the actual **** are you talking about? Ben Wallace best blocking season came before Shred even came. He was a dpoty.

[97 bulls]

I didn't read all the posts, but is 97 Bulls trying to say that Rodman > Barkley???
No im saying Rodman was the exact opposite of Barkley on the court. Both were considered cancers, both were undersized, both were great rebounders, the difference is Rodman is a great defender, while Barkley is a great scorer.

[juju151111]

No im saying Rodman was the exact opposite of Barkley on the court. Both were considered cancers, both were undersized, both were great rebounders, the difference is Rodman is a great defender, while Barkley is a great scorer.
Barkley>Rodman then.

[97 bulls]

Barkley>Rodman then.
But the facts (wins and losses) show different. Lets compare Rodmans 95 season with the Spurs in which he played 49 games to Barkleys season with the Suns where he participated in 65 games.

With Barkley. The Suns were 48-17

With Rodman. The Spurs were 40-9

How does Barkley have more impact than Rodman?

[juju151111]

But the facts (wins and losses) show different. Lets compare Rodmans 95 season with the Spurs in which he played 49 games to Barkleys season with the Suns where he participated in 65 games.

With Barkley. The Suns were 48-17

With Rodman. The Spurs were 40-9

How does Barkley have more impact than Rodman?
Rodman was never the best player on any of his team's. Barkley was declining then too.

[97 bulls]

Rodman was never the best player on any of his team's. Barkley was declining then too.
Hold on. I only used their records when they participated. Your argument is about impact. In fact, the year the Spurs finished the season 62-20. They started off 8-9. Rodman missed those first 17 games.

And declining? Dennis Rodman is two years OLDER than Charles Barkley. Again a testament to the different work ethic the two players had.

[Round Mound]

97 Bulls Comparing Records :roll: :facepalm...Rodman Was a Great Role Player But a ROLE PLAYER. Barkley Was a 1st Option Player. GFReal!!! :confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

Hold on. I only used their records when they participated. Your argument is about impact. In fact, the year the Spurs finished the season 62-20. They started off 8-9. Rodman missed those first 17 games.

And declining? Dennis Rodman is two years OLDER than Charles Barkley. Again a testament to the different work ethic the two players had.
What's your point. None of what your saying makes the case of Rodman being better then Barkley.

[juju151111]

97 Bulls Comparing Records :roll: :facepalm...Rodman Was a Great Role Player But a ROLE PLAYER. Barkley Was a 1st Option Player. GFReal!!! :confusedshrug:
I'm beginning to think he thinks everyone who played fir the late 90s bulls are top3 at their postions all time. I think they are the best team ever but he crazy.

[Round Mound]

I'm beginning to think he thinks everyone who played fir the late 90s bulls are top3 at their postions all time. I think they are the best team ever but he crazy.

He Obviously Never Watched The Early 90s or Late 80s To Judge Sir Charles When Healthy.

BTW The 90s Bulls Would Get Murdered By The 83 Sixers, 85 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers :confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

Its not perfect. Ben Wallace was able to block shots because Raheed Wallace helped out alot by defending the oppositions best post scorer. Which more often than not was the Power Forward.

Again, the best comparison for Tony Allen on offense would be a one dimensional scorer like Kyle Korver who is a great shooter. Korvers not gonna put the ball on the floor, or post up, run the point (anchor the offense). Just like Allen doesnt defend the post, or anchor a defense.

I dont see whats so hard about this. Every facet off offense has a defensive counterpart.
Neither does Rodman. That's why it's a great comparison.

[juju151111]

He Obviously Never Watched The Early 90s or Late 80s To Judge Sir Charles When Healthy.

BTW The 90s Bulls Would Get Murdered By The 83 Sixers, 85 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers :confusedshrug:
Hmm no they wouldn't and lol at being slaughtered. The Late 90s Bulls is one of, if not the best team ever. They not getting slaughtered by anyone.

[97 bulls]

97 Bulls Comparing Records :roll: :facepalm...Rodman Was a Great Role Player But a ROLE PLAYER. Barkley Was a 1st Option Player. GFReal!!! :confusedshrug:
What better way to determine impact than to how their teams faired with and without them?

[97 bulls]

I'm beginning to think he thinks everyone who played fir the late 90s bulls are top3 at their postions all time. I think they are the best team ever but he crazy.
Of course not. But they are the greatest team ever. My point about Barkley is this. How can Barkley be ranked top 20 when he literally didnt take the game seriously? I even said hes probably a top 5 talent. Hes super athletic and an amazingly skilled player. But his lack of work ethic to maximize that ability and talent cost him.

Like someone stated earlier. What separates him from Allen Iverson?

[jstern]

Of course not. But they are the greatest team ever. My point about Barkley is this. How can Barkley be ranked top 20 when he literally didnt take the game seriously? I even said hes probably a top 5 talent. Hes super athletic and an amazingly skilled player. But his lack of work ethic to maximize that ability and talent cost him.

Like someone stated earlier. What separates him from Allen Iverson?
People always say that this or that player doesn't take the game seriously, when they don't really know anything about the player and what they go through. With the anger that Barkley played with and needing to prove something, and wanting to beat Jordan to me it seemed like he took it pretty seriously.

Since they're always joking around about how he loves to eat, people like to simplify things for themselves and just come to a conclusion that they want to believe.

[Round Mound]

Of course not. But they are the greatest team ever. My point about Barkley is this. How can Barkley be ranked top 20 when he literally didnt take the game seriously? I even said hes probably a top 5 talent. Hes super athletic and an amazingly skilled player. But his lack of work ethic to maximize that ability and talent cost him.

Like someone stated earlier. What separates him from Allen Iverson?

[B]How Does a 6

[97 bulls]

People always say that this or that player doesn't take the game seriously, when they don't really know anything about the player and what they go through. With the anger that Barkley played with and needing to prove something, and wanting to beat Jordan to me it seemed like he took it pretty seriously.

Since they're always joking around about how he loves to eat, people like to simplify things for themselves and just come to a conclusion that they want to believe.
Im sorry. I should've said take defense seriously. I know he wanted to win. But I do question how badly.

He didnt get that reputation based on jokes.

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]How Does a 6

[Round Mound]

Ranking players based on talent is totally different from ranking them based on what they actually accomplished.

Ive said for like the fourth time, talent-wise, Barkley is on par with Jordan, Chamberlain, etc. A perfect combination of skill and athleticism.

But what he accomplished? Did he really get as much as he could out of this abilities as he couldve?

[B]But You are Comparing Barkley to Iverson? :facepalm :rolleyes: Thats "A Basketbal Sin" :no: . Iverson Should Never Be Mentioned In The Breath of Sir Charles, He Was in Another Planet Level Wise.

He Did Accomplish Alot. He Was Overall The Most Dominant PF for 10-11 Years and At Just Under 6

[JtotheIzzo]

How the hell can we call this guy lazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJuINS6WZyA

Commenting on Barkley's Rockets days is like viewing Jordan through Wizards eyes.

Dumb kids think quotes on the intrawebs is rock solid evidence. Read what Rodman and Isiah said about Bird sometime.

Barkley was the only guy in the league who stood up to Oakley, and Pippen was mad washed up Houston Rocket Barkley.

Understand the context of your evidence 97 Bulls, you sound like a ignorant kid.

[97 bulls]

How the hell can we call this guy lazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJuINS6WZyA

Commenting on Barkley's Rockets days is like viewing Jordan through Wizards eyes.

Dumb kids think quotes on the intrawebs is rock solid evidence. Read what Rodman and Isiah said about Bird sometime.

Barkley was the only guy in the league who stood up to Oakley, and Pippen was mad washed up Houston Rocket Barkley.

Understand the context of your evidence 97 Bulls, you sound like a ignorant kid.
The context? Hiw am I misconstruing context? If countless people are saying the same thing perhaps its true. Including Charles Barkley himself. This is his draft and interview afterward. Just as a point of reference, Barkley himself admits he needs to improve his wrok ethic, and his defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGvOPI97yk

This is a special ESPN did on his career. Forward to the 13:00 and 15:00 minute mark. His college coach and Dick Vitale said and told him he needed to work harder and pay more attention to the defensive side of the ball. You got his coaches saying he didnt want to rotate in defensive assignments. He didnt take charges,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCgA6cr7wyY


Mind you this was after being cut from the Olympic team not for not losing enough weight, BUT FOR GAINING WEIGHT.

So what we have here is a paper trail on video, documented proof that Barkley had a terribke work ethic, and never tried on defense even in college.

Then again, Barkley makes the statement about how Larry Bird was the only player in the NBA that was worse at defense than himself.

Then you get Pippen saying what he said in 99. Then Oakley.

How am I taking this out of context?

In that documentary, they replay that final play in game 6 93 NBA Finals. When Pippen drove the lane. Barkley was on him. He took a bad angle, Pippen got passed him, then Ainge had to leave his man to go help. That bad defensive play by Barkley cost him a championship. If he devoted the same amount of attention to defense as offense, he has a ring. Or at least a shot at a game seven at home. Heres the video by the way

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGnAr4 I3-Z48%26desktop_uri%3D%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DGnAr4I3-Z48&ei=ZYAfUt_WCsmxiQKZxYDoDg&usg=AFQjCNG3sRciAaGSncCFUwiOPv13KgxZqQ&sig2=T9krTQcGZZ26GHc5ydHkbw

[97 bulls]

Id just like to add. That video of the Paxson shot, vindicates my stance that defense is just as important as offense. Barkley did what he did in that play because he never disciplined himself on defense.

I see no reason why or how that play is any different from a player missing a clutch shot or freethrow with the game on the line. In ither words..... Barkley CHOKED.

[tpols]

Ranking players based on talent is totally different from ranking them based on what they actually accomplished.

Ive said for like the fourth time, talent-wise, Barkley is on par with Jordan, Chamberlain, etc. A perfect combination of skill and athleticism.

But what he accomplished? Did he really get as much as he could out of this abilities as he couldve?
What did Ewing accomplish? David Robinson? Karl Malone?

I guess everybody that didnt win is just Allen Iverson. :oldlol:

[PHILA]

Chamberlain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdd2biHVlyA&t=6m45s




Chicago Tribune - Feb 8, 1997

Also offering his opinion of Rodman was Wilt Chamberlain, the greatest rebounder and No. 2 scorer in NBA history. Chamberlain and Magic Johnson are among several Hall of Famers who believe the presence of too many "specialists"--players who only shoot or rebound or defend is one reason why scoring is down and the game is slower. Rodman, Chamberlain said, "is a big rebounder. He does it better than anyone else out there. But I am amazed (at) guys who tend not to want to understand that playing the complete game is what the game should be about. "I remember Elgin Baylor scoring 45 and 71 points against us beating us and getting 18 rebounds. I'm not impressed with Dennis' 17 rebound average. He's not an all-around player. Why I like a guy like Charles Barkley so much is he gives his team whatever it needs at that time."







Look at his great work on the offensive boards below. In the first video, he gets the offensive board and hustles back into rebounding position before the shot goes up. In the 2nd video, it is off the inbound pass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PJ8j14MFA&t=58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_a-aDdeYbQ&t=4m33s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RVZoGaMVm8&t=5m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZhYqt1J7c&t=6m33s


Again he muscles Horace Grant under the basket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PJ8j14MFA&t=9m45s


Below is a clip from the 1991 playoffs, when he had limited mobility on those wicked spin moves due to an MCL sprain, & was wearing a mechanical knee brace. Look how he easily scores below on the failed trap attempt by Grant & Cartwright. It almost looks like a practice drill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjUpA3UVlA#t=3m4s

[PHILA]

Barkley said he used to pop Rodman hard early in each game to alleviate all of Rodman's stress.

He recalled in his rookie year how veteran Maurice Lucas used to hit him hard when the two (at that time) referees weren't watching, just to see what he was made of.

[longhornfan1234]

What did Ewing accomplish? David Robinson? Karl Malone?

I guess everybody that didnt win is just Allen Iverson. :oldlol:


Admiral was the best player/defender on the championship '99 team.

[97 bulls]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdd2biHVlyA&t=6m45s




Chicago Tribune - Feb 8, 1997

Also offering his opinion of Rodman was Wilt Chamberlain, the greatest rebounder and No. 2 scorer in NBA history. Chamberlain and Magic Johnson are among several Hall of Famers who believe the presence of too many "specialists"--players who only shoot or rebound or defend is one reason why scoring is down and the game is slower. Rodman, Chamberlain said, "is a big rebounder. He does it better than anyone else out there. But I am amazed (at) guys who tend not to want to understand that playing the complete game is what the game should be about. "I remember Elgin Baylor scoring 45 and 71 points against us beating us and getting 18 rebounds. I'm not impressed with Dennis' 17 rebound average. He's not an all-around player. Why I like a guy like Charles Barkley so much is he gives his team whatever it needs at that time."







Look at his great work on the offensive boards below. In the first video, he gets the offensive board and hustles back into rebounding position before the shot goes up. In the 2nd video, it is off the inbound pass.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PJ8j14MFA&t=58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_a-aDdeYbQ&t=4m33s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RVZoGaMVm8&t=5m3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yZhYqt1J7c&t=6m33s


Again he muscles Horace Grant under the basket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PJ8j14MFA&t=9m45s


Below is a clip from the 1991 playoffs, when he had limited mobility on those wicked spin moves due to an MCL sprain, & was wearing a mechanical knee brace. Look how he easily scores below on the failed trap attempt by Grant & Cartwright. It almost looks like a practice drill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjUpA3UVlA#t=3m4s
Lol some of you guys are incredible. Put it this way..... if people were trying to put Rodman in the top 20, id disagree vehemently. Why? Because Rodman wasnt a two way player. This is my whole argument.

None of you can make a fair argument or even just an argument as to why Barkley should be a top 20 player. Ive posted Quotes, video, most importantly Barkleys own words to show this. Not a bunch if highlight reels.

I mean whats the main goal in competition? WINNING!!!!!!!!! Hell winning its the ONLY thing. Why would you want to pick a player with great stats but never win? And im not talking about the Robert Horry and Steve Kerrs of the world. But the guys that were the focal point of the team.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Because he was a mean, round, athletic, skillful beast on offense and the boards. Dude had handle, a jumper, and bullying post moves. A face and demeanor that would intimidate the opposition into submission too.

[TonyMontana]

Like someone stated earlier. What separates him from Allen Iverson?

Put it this way.

Barkley was scoring 25+ PPG easily on 60% shooting from the field while also being one of the best rebounders not only in the NBA, but in NBA History. Iverson got a few more points on like twice as many shots and didn't effect the game much at all unless hes chucking.

Do people really write this shit? Barkley was great. Hes right there with MJ as the best player of all-time thats under 6'8.

[97 bulls]

Put it this way.

Barkley was scoring 25+ PPG easily on 60% shooting from the field while also being one of the best rebounders not only in the NBA, but in NBA History. Iverson got a few more points on like twice as many shots and didn't effect the game much at all unless hes chucking.

Do people really write this shit? Barkley was great. Hes right there with MJ as the best player of all-time thats under 6'8.
Jordan is the best alltime PERIOD.

Allen Iverson accomplished the exact same thing Barkley did in the NBA.

[TonyMontana]

Jordan is the best alltime PERIOD.

Allen Iverson accomplished the exact same thing Barkley did in the NBA.

So a 5'11 160 pound guard that scores 30 PPG on 40% shooting is the same as a 6'5 250 PF that scores 25 PPG on 60% shooting while also being one of the greatest rebounders in the history of the sport?

Good to know.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan is the best alltime PERIOD.

Allen Iverson accomplished the exact same thing Barkley did in the NBA.
Technically, you're actually correct.

[kNicKz]

So a 5'11 160 pound guard that scores 30 PPG on 40% shooting is the same as a 6'5 250 PF that scores 25 PPG on 60% shooting while also being one of the greatest rebounders in the history of the sport?

Good to know.

I love AI man but I have to agree he isn't on Barkley's level

[Round Mound]

Put it this way.

Barkley was scoring 25+ PPG easily on 60% shooting from the field while also being one of the best rebounders not only in the NBA, but in NBA History. Iverson got a few more points on like twice as many shots and didn't effect the game much at all unless hes chucking.

Do people really write this shit? Barkley was great. Hes right there with MJ as the best player of all-time thats under 6'8.

:applause:

[Round Mound]

So a 5'11 160 pound guard that scores 30 PPG on 40% shooting is the same as a 6'5 250 PF that scores 25 PPG on 60% shooting while also being one of the greatest rebounders in the history of the sport?

Good to know.

:applause:

[magnax1]

Barkley had his flaws no doubt, but offensively he's up there with the truly elite. He was scoring 25 ppg while leading the league in TS% at like 66%. People went crazy about Lebrons offensive efficiency this year, but he only shot at 64 TS% at about the same volume or less as Barkley's best seasons. On top of that, Barkley was fantastic at baiting defenses and passing to the open man, he required tons of defensive attention (not dissimilar to Shaq, though not nearly as bad) and obviously was an elite rebounder. Was he lacking defensively? Yes. However, you could build a very similar list of strengths and weaknesses for Magic except Magic was probably an even worse defender.

[Pointguard]

Barkley had his flaws no doubt, but offensively he's up there with the truly elite. He was scoring 25 ppg while leading the league in TS% at like 66%. People went crazy about Lebrons offensive efficiency this year, but he only shot at 64 TS% at about the same volume or less as Barkley's best seasons. On top of that, Barkley was fantastic at baiting defenses and passing to the open man, he required tons of defensive attention (not dissimilar to Shaq, though not nearly as bad) and obviously was an elite rebounder. Was he lacking defensively? Yes. However, you could build a very similar list of strengths and weaknesses for Magic except Magic was probably an even worse defender.
The Magic comparison isn't a good one for Barkley. Magic was everything Barkley wasn't outside of the defensive business. Barkley wasn't good for chemistry, he wasn't a natural winner, he couldn't make his team over achieve, his teams were rarely serious contenders, he couldn't play well with a great center. Magic had great control over his teams and they responded well to him his entire career. Magics team's play with great flow, consistency and confidence.

[tontoz]

Barkley averaged 22/12 for his career with very high scoring efficiency.

[tontoz]

The Magic comparison isn't a good one for Barkley. Magic was everything Barkley wasn't outside of the defensive business. Barkley wasn't good for chemistry, he wasn't a natural winner, he couldn't make his team over achieve, his teams were rarely serious contenders, he couldn't play well with a great center. Magic had great control over his teams and they responded well to him his entire career. Magics team's play with great flow, consistency and confidence.


Magic was great but this post is a mess. Magic had great teamates his whole career. Barkley, not so much.

[97 bulls]

Magic was great but this post is a mess. Magic had great teamates his whole career. Barkley, not so much.
He had the best center in the game in Moses Malone. Then he had a damn good PG Iin Marice Cheeks, then Kevin Johnson. Lets not act as if he was playing with garbage.

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ this dude saying that Barkley is "right there" with Jordan. :oldlol: You'd think the '93 Finals would have been enough evidence, but I guess not.

[Pointguard]

Magic was great but this post is a mess. Magic had great teamates his whole career. Barkley, not so much.


Well point to where it was a mess at.

Magic was a great winner. Barkley obviously wasn't.

Barkley had some great veteran teams in Philly, Pheonix and Houston in case you missed it. Those teams were much better than Magic's last trip to the finals when you consider the health of the team.

[Pointguard]

He recalled in his rookie year how veteran Maurice Lucas used to hit him hard when the two (at that time) referees weren't watching, just to see what he was made of.

I think back then it was standard practice.

Barkley recently talked about popping Rodman on Inside the NBA. He said Rodman would leave you alone after that. Chris Webber agreed with him. Its at 6:40 in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWqdqsqMoes

[Marlo Stanfield]

Just watch Barkley to see how good he was.


If you saw him play it would all make perfect sense.

He destroyed everyone in his era except Jordan.

The 1990 MVP should also be Barkley's (his best season) they gave Magic a lifetime achievement MVP instead. Barkley had more first place votes but a lot of the media voted him really low because he spit on a fan and the whole 'I am not a role model' controversy.

Barkley had 38 first place votes, Magic had 27 and MJ had 21. Barkley was snubbed by biased members of the media who put him low on the ballot. Magic won on the strength of his second place votes.

It was horseshit.

The role-model thing was spitting on the kid was after that season.

89-90 was the best MVP race ever.

It is hilarious that Karl Malone out of all people disagreed with Barkley for saying he's not a role model. Malone, the child-abandoning sex offender, claimed he was a role model. LOL

[iamgine]

Just watch Barkley to see how good he was.



The role-model thing was spitting on the kid was after that season.

89-90 was the best MVP race ever.

It is hilarious that Karl Malone out of all people disagreed with Barkley for saying he's not a role model. Malone, the child-abandoning sex offender, claimed he was a role model. LOL
gotta protect yourself from gold digger brah.

[AlphaWolf24]

Anyone badmouthing Barkley wasn't around during his heyday.

Its as simple as that.


I watched Barkley's whole career....and I'm not going to Bad Mouth him...just gonna say real talk.



- Barkley was amazing to watch.....Barkley was electric.

- You tell by watching him he loved to compete...he interacted with players , Fans and of course Referee's.

- He also had the skills to dominate the basketball court, he post up , he could shoot the J he could rebound and go coast to coast...

- He made watching the game fun....he has an amazing personality...and I think people gravitate towards that.

negatives

That same amazing personality that fans love.....wore down his teammates and coaches.

His teams always showed improvement when he joined....but they always got continuously worse after he became comfortable.

This is the problem with Barkley...His personality and Talent got him to the superstardom....but he was never really ready for it...he didn't know how to handle it....he will always be that small kid from Leeds Alabama...

and while as fans and as real people we love him for that.....I think his teammates...his coaches.....his organizations always expected him to Grow up and become a true leader.....


he never did.



( But I would rather watch him play then probably 99% of the players that ever played....ever....does that make him great?....yes...But leaders who are champions should be held to a higher light)



real talk.

[ArbitraryWater]

I watched Barkley's whole career....and I'm not going to Bad Mouth him...just gonna say real talk.



- Barkley was amazing to watch.....Barkley was electric.

- You tell by watching him he loved to compete...he interacted with players , Fans and of course Referee's.

- He also had the skills to dominate the basketball court, he post up , he could shoot the J he could rebound and go coast to coast...

- He made watching the game fun....he has an amazing personality...and I think people gravitate towards that.

negatives

That same amazing personality that fans love.....wore down his teammates and coaches.

His teams always showed improvement when he joined....but they always got continuously worse after he became comfortable.

This is the problem with Barkley...His personality and Talent got him to the superstardom....but he was never really ready for it...he didn't know how to handle it....he will always be that small kid from Leeds Alabama...

and while as fans and as real people we love him for that.....I think his teammates...his coaches.....his organizations always expected him to Grow up and become a true leader.....


he never did.



( But I would rather watch him play then probably 99% of the players that ever played....ever....does that make him great?....yes...But leaders who are champions should be held to a higher light)



real talk.


Kobe=GOAT? Where you got him?

[AussieG]

Usually with players there is always that saying of.. "don't judge by stats.. you had to have seen his career"..

But with Barkley it really is true. Not just Barkley but many in that era. It was watching greatness to watch those guys play. I've rarely seen any players since, that give that same feeling of greatness in watching them.

And there aren't many in the NBA right now that give me that feeling. Durant, LeBron.. who else? Chris Paul maybe. Duncan.

Probably a few others but it doesn't feel the same.

The competitiveness, the fire.. the entertainment and show aspect.. the freak of nature in terms of his body and what he could do with it. He has the same thing LeBron has in terms of being able to play any position, despite his size. High IQ.

Barkley had something that few players today have. That first Dream Team was full of players like that.