Shawn Kemp HOF?

[TheReal Kendall]

Will he eventually make then HOF?

Is he considered HOF worthy?

There's a lot of players in there that's not worthy.

[senelcoolidge]

Good player, but he's not a HoF. I say nay.

[pauk]

If he didnt go fat and crazy then yes.

[lucky001]

Hall of fatasses?

Donuts, cocaine, and babymakin torpedoed a promising career.

[AirFederer]

Naaaaa..no.

[miller-time]

When you go out of the NBA looking like this.. No..

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[Owl]

Will he eventually make then HOF?

Is he considered HOF worthy?

There's a lot of players in there that's not worthy.
He's peripheral. His peak is good enough, though not legendary.

In a vacuum I'd take his career over Chris Mullin's. But Mullin was a DTer, inspirational and disciplined (overcame alcoholism, was a gym rat). Kemp was a DTIIer, didn't seem to overcome his demons and fathered a lot of children.

So fair or not Mullin is in wheras Kemp will at at least have to wait a while.

That said Rodman made it in with, I don't know what to call it, "attitude issues"? Kemp was a better player for roughly the same stretch (don't want to do the whole Rodman debate but he was never even vaguely MVP contention, 2 All-NBA 3rd teams and 2 ASG, if we ignored age, the idea that Kemp at his apex would be traded for Rodman would have been, well it wouldn't happen) so he's certainly got a shot.

[deja vu]

Borderline. He'll make it eventually. He was actually one of the best PFs in the 90s.

[DCL]

prime kemp was worthy of comparions to 2nd or 3rd tiered HOF players.

fat kemp was worthy of comparisons to some other overpaid lard ass like eddy curry.

[chocolatethunder]

Not even close. I watched him since his rookie season and was a sonics fan. It took him a few years to get good then he had a short peak followed by a steep decline. He was definitely awesome at his best but there is no way he should even be in a discussion about the hall of fame. An amazing player for a few years.

[FatComputerNerd]

He gets my vote. He was pretty much a top 2-3 PF in the league for a reasonably decent stretch.

Personal off-court issues (like the children or getting overweight toward the end of his career) should not count as a vote against him.

We should only look at what he did and accomplished as a player, and he was hella good.

Even when past his prime and starting to get fat I remember him carrying my Cavs to the playoffs on his back w/ practically no help.

He was also arguably the MVP of the Sonics team that almost beat MJ's Bulls in the finals.

[#number6ix#]

He was nice for a few years but I never thought of him as hall of fame worthy tho

[Ne 1]

I seriously doubt he makes it. Zo has a better chance than he does.

He didn't play great early in his career coming out of high school, and he had a stretch of dominating All-NBA team years, but it didn't last long. Similar to T-Mac, who I doubt will ever make the HOF.

[JellyBean]

As a Sonics fan, I would love to see Shawn Kemp in the HOF. As a basketball fan, No. Shawn should not be in the HOF. I just don't think that he had a HOF career. If we let Shawn into the HOF, who is next; Larry Nance? Brent Berry? Purvis Short? Truck Robinson? Brad Davis? No on Shawn Kemp and the HOF.

[chocolatethunder]

He gets my vote. He was pretty much a top 2-3 PF in the league for a reasonably decent stretch.

Personal off-court issues (like the children or getting overweight toward the end of his career) should not count as a vote against him.

We should only look at what he did and accomplished as a player, and he was hella good.

Even when past his prime and starting to get fat I remember him carrying my Cavs to the playoffs on his back w/ practically no help.

He was also arguably the MVP of the Sonics team that almost beat MJ's Bulls in the finals.
He was the MVP of that Sonics team and had an incredible run in the playoffs that year. He was cranking 20 footers in Karl Malone's face.

I was a Sonics fan and a Kemp fan but he was just nowhere near hall of fame good. Even at his peak he only averaged 20ppg for one year. He was always good for a 10-12 point game that would leave you scratching your head. He averaged a double double for 7 years, which is good but hardly unheard of. Neither his scoring numbers or rebounding numbers were eye popping. What he did do was have an incredible run in the playoffs one year but he also had an awful time and got bounced in the first round by an right seed. He was super entertaining to watch no doubt but even at his peak he was not a hall of famer. He was not a game changing guy who only averaged 20 and 10 his best year. He was a really nice player who was a decent defender and played on some really good teams, some of which underachieved. Love the dude and I was a die hard Sonics fan but badass dunking isn't going to get you in the hall. That doesn't mean he was just a dunker because he wasn't and he did develop a jumper later it's just that when you see some of the dunks he did on people it kind of makes you think he was better than he actually was. He was great but not an all time great by any stretch.

[TheReal Kendall]

I feel like he should make it eventually.

Y'all keep talking about off the court stuff but that has nothing to do with his play on the court and what he did.

I was just wondering cause Gary Payton is about to get inducted.

[Owl]

As a Sonics fan, I would love to see Shawn Kemp in the HOF. As a basketball fan, No. Shawn should not be in the HOF. I just don't think that he had a HOF career. If we let Shawn into the HOF, who is next; Larry Nance? Brent Berry? Purvis Short? Truck Robinson? Brad Davis? No on Shawn Kemp and the HOF.
An disparity in the level of talents there.
Nance is a strong two way player at consistently high standard for 11 years (rookie and final year at a lower but still okay level). I'd say he has a good case for the number two PF of the 80s. Better than many peripheral HoFers including recent inductees Rodman and Mullin. Also a good teammate. He's the only guy that's roughly equivalent to Kemp, but I'd say a bit better.

Then a huge falloff.
Robinson struggled to get on with teammates (notably Hayes and Maravich), shot poorly for a PF (from the field and the line), turned the ball over too often, was never significantly better than average by any advanced metrics. Davis was a solid starting PG for a few years. Short was a prolific scoring SF in an era when they were common, not a top 10 player at his position in his decade so again nowhere near HoF. Barry was a tremendous shooter and smart ballhandler who didn't (couldn't?) create his own shot. On a good team he was best suited to a 3rd guard role.

[Sharmer]

Kemp better than Pipen.

[G-train]

He gets my vote. He was pretty much a top 2-3 PF in the league for a reasonably decent stretch.

Personal off-court issues (like the children or getting overweight toward the end of his career) should not count as a vote against him.

We should only look at what he did and accomplished as a player, and he was hella good.

Even when past his prime and starting to get fat I remember him carrying my Cavs to the playoffs on his back w/ practically no help.

He was also arguably the MVP of the Sonics team that almost beat MJ's Bulls in the finals.

Decent post.
6 time allstar. 3 time all nba second.
Played well in 96 finals.
Fantastic rebounder and shot blocker. Good scorer.
He has a case, has been eligible for 4 years.

I think he will sneak in at some stage, but I personally wouldn't put him in. He is on the edge though.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Sonics Jack Sikma deserves to be in the HOF before Kemp

FU Jokelahoma Sh1tty.

[ihatetimthomas]

He's peripheral. His peak is good enough, though not legendary.

In a vacuum I'd take his career over Chris Mullin's. But Mullin was a DTer, inspirational and disciplined (overcame alcoholism, was a gym rat). Kemp was a DTIIer, didn't seem to overcome his demons and fathered a lot of children.

So fair or not Mullin is in wheras Kemp will at at least have to wait a while.

That said Rodman made it in with, I don't know what to call it, "attitude issues"? Kemp was a better player for roughly the same stretch (don't want to do the whole Rodman debate but he was never even vaguely MVP contention, 2 All-NBA 3rd teams and 2 ASG, if we ignored age, the idea that Kemp at his apex would be traded for Rodman would have been, well it wouldn't happen) so he's certainly got a shot.

In a vacuum, Mullins career was much better than Kemp. Mullin had a decorated college career. And while Kemp didn't play, college accolades are def considered in the bball HOF. He also had 2 gold medals. He had success in college, NBA and in the Olympics. While I would consider Kemps peak better, Mullins basketball career was much better.

[bizil]

Kemp's peak value was that of an HOF caliber PF. U can't FOR SURE name 15 better power forwards peak value wise than Kemp in my book. I think Kemp is even arguably a top 10 PF ever peak value wise. But I don't think Kemp will make the HOF anytime within the next ten years. At his best, he redefined the PF position

[hateraid]

As impressive as he was to watch as a player, his body of work does not indicate HOF status. I think we remember the highlights, not the accomplishments.
Put his resume on paper and look at it without Shawn Kemp beside it. Looks pretty meh.

Having said that I bought his jersey in 95

[chocolatethunder]

Kemp's peak value was that of an HOF caliber PF. U can't FOR SURE name 15 better power forwards peak value wise than Kemp in my book. I think Kemp is even arguably a top 10 PF ever peak value wise. But I don't think Kemp will make the HOF anytime within the next ten years. At his best, he redefined the PF position
I'm a kemp fan but ill try that
Barkley
Malone
Garnett
Dirk
Duncan
McHale
Bob Petit
Elvin Hayes
Webber
Rodman
Stoudemire

That's off the top of my head

I thought you only said 10 so here are five more who are on par with him. Maybe not better but def on par career wise
Tom Chambers
Larry Nance
Larry Johnson
Otis Thorpe
Kevin Willis
Buck Williams

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Will he eventually make then HOF?

Is he considered HOF worthy?

There's a lot of players in there that's not worthy.

Are you kidding me?

Why? Because he was a great dunker?

Let's induct Kenny Walker then...or Darryl Dawkins

Why? Because he averaged 20 ppg ONE TIME his entire career?

So many weaknesses in this guys game. The most overrated player on ISH...

[L.Kizzle]

I seriously doubt he makes it. Zo has a better chance than he does.

He didn't play great early in his career coming out of high school, and he had a stretch of dominating All-NBA team years, but it didn't last long. Similar to T-Mac, who I doubt will ever make the HOF.
I think he was an All-Star by his 3rd season ... how is that not great early on? He avg 15 and 8 his 2nd season. For a ten year stretch, he avg about 18/10 with 2 assist and 1.5 blocks.

[Owl]

In a vacuum, Mullins career was much better than Kemp. Mullin had a decorated college career. And while Kemp didn't play, college accolades are def considered in the bball HOF. He also had 2 gold medals. He had success in college, NBA and in the Olympics. While I would consider Kemps peak better, Mullins basketball career was much better.
To clarify, I was talking pro career (though Kemp has his own gold, and whilst Mullin was a star in college, which advances his HoF credentials, Kemp was the better player at age 22). Mullin has more awards/achievements, but if they were in a draft I'd take Kemp.


I'm a kemp fan but ill try that
Barkley
Malone
Garnett
Dirk
Duncan
McHale
Bob Petit
Elvin Hayes
Webber
Rodman
Stoudemire

That's off the top of my head

I thought you only said 10 so here are five more who are on par with him. Maybe not better but def on par career wise
Tom Chambers
Larry Nance
Larry Johnson
Otis Thorpe
Kevin Willis
Buck Williams
Hayes didn't have Kemp's peak, he was never an efficient scorer and the metrics reflect that.

Rodman probably didn't have Kemp's peak either. Most people I've heard tend to describe Pistons' defense oriented Rodman as his peak. It's a long way off Kemp's peak on paper and though Rodman's D certainly narrows significantly the gap it's not like Kemp was a slouch on D himself, so unless the team was already set for scoring I'd think apex Kemp was better.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You have to completely disregard the importance of longevity to let Kemp in. At his peak he was who Blake Griffin should bebut it wasn't long enough. Plus his decline was the kind of decline that people will hold against a player. It wasn't some injury that he can hold no blame for, it was substance abuse and for most people that keeps him from being a sympathetic figure. He partied his way out of the league.

[sportjames23]

I would love for the Reign Man to be in the Hall, but I dunno if he'll be inducted.

[Thorpesaurous]

I'll just start off saying I wouldn't vote for him. He was an awesome player, just not a HOFer. You can actually make the case that some other quick peak burn out guys had better careers even. Derrick Coleman lasted longer, although his peak wasn't quite as good. Larry Johnson's got a similar peak, maybe shorter, and was a better contributer after that peak, and has a HOF college resume.

That said, his skill set is a little hard to quantify. His primary skill was changing ends at his peak, which doesn't necessarily show up statistically the way one always hopes.

There's a lot of names in this thread. Mullin deserves to be in, but I'd put him toward the lower end of the threshhold. I know no one wants to count titles for much, but Rodman was a key piece on five title teams, and had a definitively unique skill set. Much better case than say Robert Horry, and totally belongs in in my opinion. Cool to see Nance's name in here. He's another really cool player who's on the cusp for me. I also believe Jack Sikma is right on the fringe. A really good player with a specific skill set, in that he's huge and can really shoot it.

[tmacattack33]

No way. I think he had like 5 good seasons before the crack got to him and he was out of shape.

He was good for those 5 years but it takes more than that to get in the HOF.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Holy sh1t this is another reason why I hate so many of you retards on this board

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE GUY PLAY?! OR DO YOU JUST WATCH YOUTUBE VIDEOS?!

Not a strong defender, limited post game, made his money solely through his athletic prowess and not as much skill



HE ONLY AVERAGED 20PPG ONCE! ONCE! ONCEEEEEE!!!!!

YOU ROMANTICIZE HIS YOUTUBE HIGHLIGHT DUNKS AND CALL HIM A HALL OF FAME PLAYER.

THIS IS ALMOST AS BAD AS THE RETARDS ON HERE BELIEVING ROBERT HORRY IS A HALL OF FAMER, 6PPG FOR HIS CAREER BUT HALL OF FAME BECAUSE HE HIT A FEW BIG SHOTS.

Wow i cant stand some of you people. The intelligence of some people here is just so low

[sportjames23]

As a Sonics fan, I would love to see Shawn Kemp in the HOF. As a basketball fan, No. Shawn should not be in the HOF. I just don't think that he had a HOF career. If we let Shawn into the HOF, who is next; Larry Nance? Brent Berry? Purvis Short? Truck Robinson? Brad Davis? No on Shawn Kemp and the HOF.


C'mon, bro. You can't compare Kemp to those dudes, even Larry Nance who was pretty good. The rest were scrubs compared to Kemp and Nance.

In his prime, Kemp was a notch below Barkley and Malone, and on par with the likes of Derrick Coleman.

[Myth]

I say no, but maybe I'm bias as a Blazer fan.

[FatComputerNerd]

Holy sh1t this is another reason why I hate so many of you retards on this board

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE GUY PLAY?! OR DO YOU JUST WATCH YOUTUBE VIDEOS?!

THE GUY NEVER AVERAGED 10 REBOUNDS A GAME!

HE ONLY AVERAGED 20PPG ONCE! ONCE! ONCEEEEEE!!!!!

YOU ROMANTICIZE HIS YOUTUBE HIGHLIGHT DUNKS AND CALL HIM A HALL OF FAME PLAYER.

THIS IS ALMOST AS BAD AS THE RETARDS ON HERE BELIEVING ROBERT HORRY IS A HALL OF FAMER, 6PPG FOR HIS CAREER BUT HALL OF FAME BECAUSE HE HIT A FEW BIG SHOTS.

Wow i cant stand some of you people. The intelligence of some people here is just so low

He averaged some pretty nice numbers in his prime. Heck, the year he averaged 20+ was when he was in Cleveland and already on the decline.

He had a solid 5-6 year stretch where he averaged up around or over 18 ppg and 10+ rpg (not sure where you read he never averaged 10 rpg lol) along with good numbers in both blocks and steals, while shooting high %'s. During this stretch he was always considered a top 5, if not top 3 player at his position, and was one of the most dominant players in the league.

To compare a player like that to Horry in terms of HOF worthiness is downright ridiculous.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

He averaged some pretty nice numbers in his prime. Heck, the year he averaged 20+ was when he was in Cleveland and already on the decline.

He had a solid 5-6 year stretch where he averaged up around or over 18 ppg and 10+ rpg (not sure where you read he never averaged 10 rpg lol) along with good numbers in both blocks and steals, while shooting high %'s. During this stretch he was always considered a top 5, if not top 3 player at his position, and was one of the most dominant players in the league.

To compare a player like that to Horry in terms of HOF worthiness is downright ridiculous.

He averaged 20ppg one time! When he did it in Cleveland it was because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE ON THAT TEAM!

Are you telling me he was a strong rebounder or defender? He was neither of those things

In fact Kemp is a slightly lesser Amare Stoudemire. The guy was deservedly named an allstar but he had a weak post game, average rebounding and averge defense at best.

Looking into it further yes I was wrong regarding his 10 rebounds a game feat, hes hit that number 4 or 5 seasons. From what I rember he was frequently in that 8 to 9 range.

Regardless he was a very good player, but there are hundreds of very good players, only the elite and heavily accomplished can enter the hall

[alec613]

Tmac has a better shot getting in than this guy

[MavsSuperFan]

He should make it. People need to stop pretending that the basketball hof is as prestigious as canton or cooperstown.

NBA MVP or NBA Championship > Basketball HOF

[FatComputerNerd]

He averaged 20ppg one time! When he did it in Cleveland it was because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE ON THAT TEAM!

Are you telling me he was a strong rebounder or defender? He was neither of those things

In fact Kemp is a slightly lesser Amare Stoudemire. The guy was deservedly named an allstar but he had a weak post game, average rebounding and averge defense at best.

Looking into it further yes I was wrong regarding his 10 rebounds a game feat, hes hit that number 4 or 5 seasons. From what I rember he was frequently in that 8 to 9 range.

Regardless he was a very good player, but there are hundreds of very good players, only the elite and heavily accomplished can enter the hall

He was actually both of those things! He was no Barkley or Rodman on the glass but was no slouch either. As for defense, he is a hugely underrated defender due to having played next to Payton. Defense was one of his strengths actually.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

He was actually both of those things! He was no Barkley or Rodman on the glass but was no slouch either. As for defense, he is a hugely underrated defender due to having played next to Payton. Defense was one of his strengths actually.

He was a capable help defender who blocked a shot or so a game, man to man he was weak.

How about his post game? You know im 100% right when it comes to that. He didnt have a jump shot either.

He was exactly what i said he was... a lesser Amare Stoudemire