ISH, where Jordan never lost a hypothetical series.

[Papaya Petee]

Anyone else getting tired of hearing that Michael Jordan would destroy any other perimeter player, if they versed in a playoff series? Everytime its a Bulls vs Heat or Bulls vs Lakers matchup, a bunch of crazy stans claim that he would "murder Kobe and LeBron" and he would "shut them down".

No, Michael Jordan no matter how much you overrate him on the defensive end, is NOT stopping or locking up a Prime LeBron or Kobe no matter how much you want to fantasize about that in your little head. If you think a Prime Kobe or LeBron aren't minimally dropping a 26\5\5 with Jordan guarding them in a series, and AT least taking the series to 6 games, you are insane.

He might be the greatest player of all time, but he is not a GOD, and those other two guys are NBA Legends as well. Tired of reading all those crazy Jordan stans how he would destroy any perimeter player he would verse, it is a load of shit.

[Jameerthefear]

didnt read

[imdaman99]

agreed. let this fgt andgar come in here and tell us otherwise, but jordan aint my god.

[305Baller]

Jordan never lost a finals. So why should he lose one in hypothetical, post-career life?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

didnt read

That's because you don't know how to.

[Psileas]

Jordan never lost a finals. So why should he lose one in hypothetical, post-career life?

I don't think the OP implied Jordan would necessarily lose the series. Only that his personal superstar opponent would hold his own.

Technically speaking though, if Jordan faced LeBron, that would happen in the ECF's, and Jordan has lost a couple of them.

[imdaman99]

Jordan never lost a finals. So why should he lose one in hypothetical, post-career life?
he played more than 6 seasons. he has 6 rings. why doesnt he have 15?

[Jameerthefear]

soooo when are we going to post a bunch of random .gifs not relating to the subject of the topic at all...? are am i going to have to do it? :confusedshrug:

[Psileas]

I don't think the OP implied Jordan would necessarily lose the series. Only that his personal superstar opponent would hold his own.

Technically speaking though, if Jordan faced LeBron, that would happen in the ECF's, and Jordan has lost a couple of them.

*Of course, I meant to write "in the ECF's or earlier".

[Poetry]

verse

Not to go off topic, but it's interesting how this word gives away your age range.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.imgur.com/lAZ1L.gif

[Young X]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/6exfg5y.gif

[305Baller]

he played more than 6 seasons. he has 6 rings. why doesnt he have 15?

After winning the first title he...

never. lost. again.


Until Wizards "floor Jordan", anyways.

[poido123]

Anyone else getting tired of hearing that Michael Jordan would destroy any other perimeter player, if they versed in a playoff series? Everytime its a Bulls vs Heat or Bulls vs Lakers matchup, a bunch of crazy stans claim that he would "murder Kobe and LeBron" and he would "shut them down".

No, Michael Jordan no matter how much you overrate him on the defensive end, is NOT stopping or locking up a Prime LeBron or Kobe no matter how much you want to fantasize about that in your little head. If you think a Prime Kobe or LeBron aren't minimally dropping a 26\5\5 with Jordan guarding them in a series, and AT least taking the series to 6 games, you are insane.

He might be the greatest player of all time, but he is not a GOD, and those other two guys are NBA Legends as well. Tired of reading all those crazy Jordan stans how he would destroy any perimeter player he would verse, it is a load of shit.


If it upsets you so much, why don't you go write a book about it.

You are talking about a bunch of hypotheticals and you're getting upset because people like to suggest that Jordan the arguable GOAT would win most of the matchups? How ridiculous is that :rant

[andremiller07]

Who cares about hypothetical series?

[Young X]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/jordan-lebron-airball-miss.gif

http://gifs.gifbin.com/6exfg5y.gif

[Segatti]

There's no other answer if you're comparing 92' bulls with today's heat, sorry.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/jordan-lebron-airball-miss.gif

http://gifs.gifbin.com/6exfg5y.gif


Thread fatality

[diamenz]

i don't remember reading any posts like that from 'crazy jordan stans'. even so, i don't think they intend to say they would completely shut down lebron or kobe, but would sure do a bang up job on them.

...i do get sick of seeing posts from silkk, montana and zoom - that's what i'm sick of seeing.

[Le Shaqtus]

i don't remember reading any posts like that from 'crazy jordan stans'. even so, i don't think they intend to say they would completely shut down lebron or kobe, but would sure do a bang up job on them.

...i do get sick of seeing posts from silkk, montana and zoom - that's what i'm sick of seeing.

"LeBron is better than your idol has ever been"

[Soundwave]

Anyone else getting sick of posts from 15-year-olds that are upset there happened to be great players playing in the NBA prior to 2003?

[G-train]

There's no other answer if you're comparing 92' bulls with today's heat, sorry.

Yes there is. It's a complex scenario and it's impossible to judge the outcome intelligently.

[G-train]

After winning the first title he...

never. lost. again.


Until Wizards "floor Jordan", anyways.

False.

[The Iron Fist]

didnt read


You're 15. We don't expect your generation to have an attention span or advanced reading skills. But thanks, you just weed out the competition for my kids. Just one less dummy they have to compete with.

[The Iron Fist]

Who cares about hypothetical series?



Every poster that says Shaq could have won a three peat with any guard not named Kobe.


http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Kobe-Bryant.jpg

[andgar923]

If you're happy and you know it clap your hands.
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it,
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands.

If you're happy and you know it stomp your feet.
If you're happy and you know it stop your feet.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it,
If you're happy and you know it stop your feet.

If you're happy and you know it shout "Horray!"
If you're happy and you know it shout "Horray!"
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it,
If you're happy and you know it shout "Horray!"

If you're happy and you know it do all three.
If you're happy and you know it do all three.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it,
If you're happy and you know it do all three!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

[I<3NBA]

as long as Jordan has Pippen, Rodman and PJAx on his team, idc what anyone says. his team is not losing.

[DaHeezy]

Surprise surprise. A post that is not necessarily belittling Jordan yet the stans jump to the defense.

ISH:
Where being on a dominant team is irrelevant
Where Phil, Scottie, Rodman and the greatest collection of role players are ignored

OP is 100% correct

[DaHeezy]

i don't remember reading any posts like that from 'crazy jordan stans'. even so, i don't think they intend to say they would completely shut down lebron or kobe, but would sure do a bang up job on them.

...i do get sick of seeing posts from silkk, montana and zoom - that's what i'm sick of seeing.

Stans don't recognize stanning...BECAUSE THEY USUALLY AGREE, just like crazy don't recognize crazy

[longtime lurker]

Huh? Fans usually say that the BULLS team would dominate their opponents and this is because these teams were absolutely dialed in. And to be honest why would you bet against them? Some of the Bulls teams at their best were absolute beasts. Even then when they're facing similar competition there seems to be more reasonable discussion.

[sportjames23]

Anyone else getting tired of hearing that Michael Jordan would destroy any other perimeter player, if they versed in a playoff series? Everytime its a Bulls vs Heat or Bulls vs Lakers matchup, a bunch of crazy stans claim that he would "murder Kobe and LeBron" and he would "shut them down".

No, Michael Jordan no matter how much you overrate him on the defensive end, is NOT stopping or locking up a Prime LeBron or Kobe no matter how much you want to fantasize about that in your little head. If you think a Prime Kobe or LeBron aren't minimally dropping a 26\5\5 with Jordan guarding them in a series, and AT least taking the series to 6 games, you are insane.

He might be the greatest player of all time, but he is not a GOD, and those other two guys are NBA Legends as well. Tired of reading all those crazy Jordan stans how he would destroy any perimeter player he would verse, it is a load of shit.


This muhfvcka is this mad. :oldlol:

[DaHeezy]

This muhfvcka is this mad. :oldlol:

Too those who say there are no crazy Jordan stans on ISH:

I present to you exhibit A

Always on cue. Logs in as his alt, doesn't comprehend the post, then proceeds to insult OP

[Jameerthefear]

Too those who say there are no crazy Jordan stans on ISH:

I present to you exhibit A

Always on cue. Logs in as his alt, doesn't comprehend the post, then proceeds to insult OP
err i don't think that's an alt.

[TheMan]

This muhfvcka is this mad:oldlol:

[funnystuff]

Not getting to the finals is still losing the finals. 6/15, not impressive for consensus GOAT.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not getting to the finals is still losing the finals. 6/15, not impressive for consensus GOAT.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/jordan-lebron-airball-miss.gif

[nnn123]

No, Jordan wouldn't annihilate Kobe in a playoff series...

But let's be real lol...

Jordan vs LeBron would be slaughter. We're talking about the biggest choker in playoff history, who balls tend to drop the bigger the moment gets. If guys on the Spurs and Mavs are able to shut LBJ down to 20 ppg, then Jordan vs LeBron would be a slaughterhouse

[funnystuff]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/jordan-lebron-airball-miss.gif
http://nbanewssource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

[BoutPractice]

Well, 1997 Kobe, basically a kid at the time, scored 33 on 1997 Jordan, who was still the best in the world. (And routinely outplayed him during his Wizards day, but that really doesn't count) We never got to see peak Jordan VS peak Kobe, and obviously Jordan at his very best is better by a mile, but what little statistical evidence we have tells us Kobe most definitely would not be "shut down".

[Cali Syndicate]

Not getting to the finals is still losing the finals. 6/15, not impressive for consensus GOAT.

6 ships in 8 seasons doe

[andgar923]

:cletus:
Not getting to the finals is still losing the finals. 6/15, not impressive for consensus GOAT.

Den wii can sey deh saim abouth almoust everi plaiyer. :confusedshrug:

:cletus:

[aj1987]

We're talking about the biggest choker in playoff history, who balls tend to drop the bigger the moment gets.
http://nba.si.com/2013/06/18/lebron-james-2013-nba-finals-game-6-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs/

Back to the thread, Jordan > Lebron.

[Legends66NBA7]

Well, 1997 Kobe, basically a kid at the time, scored 33 on 1997 Jordan, who was still the best in the world. (And routinely outplayed him during his Wizards day, but that really doesn't count).

How does that game Kobe scoring 33 points "count" when a majority of those points were scored in the 4th when the outcome of the game was already well in hand for the Bulls and Jordan was sitting on the bench ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://nbanewssource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png
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http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/11169028-large.jpg

[bdreason]

Consensus top 5 GOAT's aren't going to lose many hypothetical matchups.

[funnystuff]

Hehe :D

[eliteballer]

Drexler averaged 25/8/5/2 in the 92 Finals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

How does that game Kobe scoring 33 points "count" when a majority of those points were scored in the 4th when the outcome of the game was already well in hand for the Bulls and Jordan was sitting on the bench ?
Exactly.

Or the compete lie that Kobe handily, and readily outplayed Mike in his Wizards seasons. Which isn't true, even given the fact they rarely guarded one another. Unless this guy is counting the double nickel he dropped on Stackhouse as being on 40 year old MJ?

No mention of MJ @ 35 schooling young Kobe in ISO situations one v one in the '98 ASG? MJ dogged his ass on like 4 or 5 possessions.

[andgar923]

Drexler averaged 25/8/5/2 in the 92 Finals.

Well

[andgar923]

Random but I thought its still hilarious.

From our buddy Chuckster

[QUOTE] Clyde was trying to play like it was Game 7 against Michael, and that

[Legends66NBA7]

Drexler averaged 25/8/5/2 in the 92 Finals.

Drexler's full statline: 24.8ppg 7.8rpg 5.3apg 1.3spg 1bpg 3tpg on 40.7%fg 15%3pt 89.3%ft

vs

Jordan's full statline: 35.8ppg 4.8rpg 6.5apg 1.7spg 0.3bpg 4tpg on 52.6%fg 42.9%3pt 89.1%ft


The fact that the media built it up to see who would be the best lit Jordan's competitive fire and dominated Drexler individually + bringing a 2nd title to Chicago. Infact, Jordan could have had even better numbers had probably a 2-3 ppg increase had a decided to keep gunning for points in Game 1 of the Finals.

There was no discussion anymore as to who was better after this series.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Drexler averaged 25/8/5/2 in the 92 Finals.
Exactly. Kobe is a legend too. He'd get numbers and buckets, particularly when MJ wasn't on him.

He'd play up to or slightly below his averages, particularly in the Finals where he's known to struggle anyway, never truly elevating his game on that stage.

Meanwhile MJ would, as that's his calling card of his legend..

Kobe: 29 / 5 / 5 on 40%
MJ: 34 / 6 / 6 on 48%

[BoutPractice]

I made it extremely clear that I think Kobe is miles behind Jordan as a player (if anything I'm generally a Kobe skeptic). All I'm saying is that what little evidence we have of Jordan against Kobe (and granted we have very little) doesn't support a "shutting down" scenario.

Players like Kobe aren't "shut down" anyway. Kobe tends to shut himself down by overshooting. He's not too bothered by defense because he's shown time and time again that he prefers contested shots to open shots. Jordan never faced and defended a swingman as good to LeBron, Kobe, Durant, peak Wade or peak TMac, and the lesser swingmen like Drexler he did face were mostly themselves against him. They just plateaued while Jordan rose to another level. Jordan would outplay all these guys but not "utterly destroy" them or any hyperbole like that.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I made it extremely clear that I think Kobe is miles behind Jordan as a player (if anything I'm generally a Kobe skeptic). All I'm saying is that what little evidence we have of Jordan against Kobe (and granted we have very little) doesn't support a "shutting down" scenario.

Players like Kobe aren't "shut down" anyway. Kobe tends to shut himself down by overshooting. He's not too bothered by defense because he's shown time and time again that he prefers contested shots to open shots. Jordan never faced and defended a swingman as good to LeBron, Kobe, Durant, peak Wade or peak TMac, and the lesser swingmen like Drexler he did face were mostly themselves against him. They just plateaued while Jordan rose to another level. Jordan would outplay all these guys but not "utterly destroy" them or any hyperbole like that.
Apparently MJ didn't play: Magic, Bird, Drexler, Nique, Penny, Mitch, Hill, and Pippen in practice. They are all so radically inferior to the players mentioned.

Kobe and Wade being poor versions of himself from different points of his career. Out of all of them, Kobe and Wade have the only abilities and mentality to compete.

[NumberSix]

Jordan never lost a finals. So why should he lose one in hypothetical, post-career life?
Melo never lost a finals either.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Melo never lost a finals either.
Undefeated College National Champ doe

[INDI]

After winning the first title he...

never. lost. again.


Until Wizards "floor Jordan", anyways.

News flash: jordan lost in 1995 to the magic

[Leviathon1121]

Surprise surprise. A post that is not necessarily belittling Jordan yet the stans jump to the defense.

ISH:
Where being on a dominant team is irrelevant
Where Phil, Scottie, Rodman and the greatest collection of role players are ignored

OP is 100% correct

I don't see any of what you just cried about happening...why are you so angry?

[Trollsmasher]

OP is 100% right

[305Baller]

News flash: jordan lost in 1995 to the magic

Well that was after a baseball layoff so does that really even count?

:confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

OP should make another thread:

ISH, where Lebron* is the GOAT in winning hypothetical series/rings

[I<3NBA]

OP should make another thread:

ISH, where Lebron* is the GOAT in winning hypothetical series/rings
i don't think that's true considering Lebron is hated here on ISH.

[riseagainst]

i don't think that's true considering Lebron is hated here on ISH.

is this a joke?

[nathanjizzle]

Anyone else getting tired of hearing that Michael Jordan would destroy any other perimeter player, if they versed in a playoff series? Everytime its a Bulls vs Heat or Bulls vs Lakers matchup, a bunch of crazy stans claim that he would "murder Kobe and LeBron" and he would "shut them down".

No, Michael Jordan no matter how much you overrate him on the defensive end, is NOT stopping or locking up a Prime LeBron or Kobe no matter how much you want to fantasize about that in your little head. If you think a Prime Kobe or LeBron aren't minimally dropping a 26\5\5 with Jordan guarding them in a series, and AT least taking the series to 6 games, you are insane.

He might be the greatest player of all time, but he is not a GOD, and those other two guys are NBA Legends as well. Tired of reading all those crazy Jordan stans how he would destroy any perimeter player he would verse, it is a load of shit.

jordan in his prime, did not lose a series in 6 years. :roll:

[jzek]

who cares about hypothetical when you have real life proof that Jordan never lost a series in his prime (including 6 for 6 in the finals)?

reality > hypotheticals

[Dro]

who cares about hypothetical when you have real life proof that Jordan never lost in the finals in 6 appearances?

reality > hypotheticals
Ish, where we make up hypotheticals just to prove Jordan is not the GOAt:applause:

[Sarcastic]

Even when Jordan lost a series, he was still the best player on the court (except maybe 1995 when he was still in baseball shape). When the Bad Boy Pistons were throwing constant triple teams at him, he was still the best player on the court and averaging 30. When he lost to the Celtics, he still put up 63 on them and Bird called him God in basketball sneakers. Jordan was never shut down the way Lebron was in 2007 vs the Spurs. Jordan was never outplayed by a bench player of Jason Terry quality. He was never shut down by an old out of shape big man the way Boris Diaw shut down Lebron.

He doesn't have moments of epic fail the way Lebron does. That's why he gets the benefit of the doubt in hypotheticals.

[Flash31]

Well that was after a baseball layoff so does that really even count?

:confusedshrug:


If the Bulls won that series
and beat The Rockets

Would the Title Count,especially for Jordan?

The answer is yes yes it would,so that being
the Bulls losing to either Houston or Orlando(which they did)
DID Count


So this hypothetical of Jordan NEVER Losing in his "prime"(
such an arbitrary thing)Didnt Happen

His Team Lost,He lost,he played in that series so again
HE LOST

END OF Discussion

[riseagainst]

Even when Jordan lost a series, he was still the best player on the court (except maybe 1995 when he was still in baseball shape). When the Bad Boy Pistons were throwing constant triple teams at him, he was still the best player on the court and averaging 30. When he lost to the Celtics, he still put up 63 on them and Bird called him God in basketball sneakers. Jordan was never shut down the way Lebron was in 2007 vs the Spurs. Jordan was never outplayed by a bench player of Jason Terry quality. He was never shut down by an old out of shape big man the way Boris Diaw shut down Lebron.

He doesn't have moments of epic fail the way Lebron does. That's why he gets the benefit of the doubt in hypotheticals.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[jlip]

who cares about hypothetical when you have real life proof that Jordan never lost a series in his prime (including 6 for 6 in the finals)?

reality > hypotheticals

Isn't that the same thing? If you never lose a series doesn't that count the Finals also?

[Flash31]

who cares about hypothetical when you have real life proof that Jordan never lost a series in his prime (including 6 for 6 in the finals)?

reality > hypotheticals


Magic>Bulls
Jordan Lost

Seriously,If Chi won that series and beat Hou
people would count it

They lost,Jordan Lost

not to mention JORDAN and BULLS
losing to DET TWICE and nearly a third time

THAT COUNTS as LOSING

Jordan is one of the goat
but to put him up on this untouchable pedestal where hes undefeated
and a perfect 6/6 COME the Hell ON

15 yr career,made Finals 6 Times
Amazing,Still Lost the other 9 Times
Nobody is Undefeated IN Playoffs,NOBODY
Even IF YOu Spinned IT INTO "Only Prime"
Well Russell And Celtics WON 8 IN A ROW


Some of yall really believe its better to lose in 1st,2nd,3rd round
than it is in the Finals which is Beyond stupid

Every Single Team thats Ever EVER been in the Playoffs
would rather make it to Finals and lose than lose before

Its not that the teams good enough to make it there,but the other team won
while losing before they werent good enough(Such an extreme arbitrary stat,Used to Prop up Players and Teams)

[305Baller]

If the Bulls won that series
and beat The Rockets

Would the Title Count,especially for Jordan?

The answer is yes yes it would,so that being
the Bulls losing to either Houston or Orlando(which they did)
DID Count


So this hypothetical of Jordan NEVER Losing in his "prime"(
such an arbitrary thing)Didnt Happen

His Team Lost,He lost,he played in that series so again
HE LOST

END OF Discussion

No.
No.
The answer is no.
You are wrong dude, get it?

Get it?

Jordan was rusty, his team not sharp.

He still was dusty.

They could not play the part.

Individual skills doesnt pay the bills.

A cohesive team you need

from the start.

Sweetheart.

[Kurosawa0]

After winning the first title he...

never. lost. again.


Until Wizards "floor Jordan", anyways.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199505180CHI.html

[INDI]

Well that was after a baseball layoff so does that really even count?

:confusedshrug:

Jordan averaged 31 in the series the bulls were eliminated, so the answer is no.

will we give rose a pass if they lose in the playoffs this year? On top of that Jordan wasnt even injured

[Flash31]

Jordan is one of GOAT

But He was not Perfect in Playoffs Period
His Team Lost
HE LOST

Extremely Arbitrary Stats like 6/6 DONT Count
BC he Had a 15 YR CAREER,
Even if you include the arbitrary "prime"90-99
He STILL Lost

Jerry West Went 2/9 in Finals
Hakeem Went 2/2 in Finals
Magic Johnson Went 5/9
Larry Bird wasnt Perfect

Do People take it away from them bc they lost NO
(People with severe agendas like here yeah)


If you Put All those Arbitrary Stats Together like yall trying to do
and make people believe Jordan was Perfect,6/6
Then Jordan is and Will Never Be Close to Goat

Bill Russell was 11/13
and WENT 8 Straight in his "PRIME"
8/8 beats 6/6

But thats not the way it works
Only time that works is when people have a biased agenda to downplay,critisize,bring up a player in relation to another
Wilt Losing,LeBrons Cavs,AIs 76ers(oh wait that ones not brought up at all)
Bird,Magic losing


Its like now where people think LESS of Duncan for going
4/5 in Finals rather than losing before (or they dont count it bc of his age,unless he won)
But he Made the Finals,If Anything That Brings a Person Up
Regardless if they win or lose,Made the Finals,produced played good
Thats a plus

but in yall minds its better to lose in 1st round
Better to Be Carmelo,TMAC,Barkley than it is to be
West,Wilt,Wade


Logic on this Board,NOT EVEN ONCE

[305Baller]

Jordan averaged 31 in the series the bulls were eliminated, so the answer is no.

will we give rose a pass if they lose in the playoffs this year? On top of that Jordan wasnt even injured

If Rose came back at midseason , yeah you give him a pass. Jordan didnt have a training camp. It was 45 BIZARRO JORDAN

[Flash31]

If Rose came back at midseason , yeah you give him a pass. Jordan didnt have a training camp. It was 45 BIZARRO JORDAN

So if the Bulls won those years,You Credit Jordan and Boost him Up and Count the Win and Ring

Since they Didnt,He gets a Pass and it didnt Count,even though it did
So 6/6 and Undefeated in " Prime" people can say which is beyond a bunch of bull

You dont get a Pass if your team wins 55 games without you for the most part and you come back and play post all-star break and all in the playoffs Yet YOU Lose

Yep,I guess in yours and other peoples logic here its better to be the 67-15 Mavs losing in First Round than it is to be 06 Mavs losing in Finals

He "gets a pass"
No he doesnt,if no other star gets a pass for losing,Then Jordan doesnt either
just to keep up the fabricated "Undefeated,Perfect 6/6 Crap"
Its hypocrisy and biased statements to support your words and star then
(which is exactly what espn and media does,so its very easy to see where you get your beliefs from)

[TheMan]

This muhfvcka this mad:oldlol:

That's your opinion, MJ is the consensus GOAT by NBA fans and experts alike...deal wit it.


Jordan is one of GOAT

But He was not Perfect in Playoffs Period
His Team Lost
HE LOST

Extremely Arbitrary Stats like 6/6 DONT Count
BC he Had a 15 YR CAREER,
Even if you include the arbitrary "prime"90-99
He STILL Lost

Jerry West Went 2/9 in Finals
Hakeem Went 2/2 in Finals
Magic Johnson Went 5/9
Larry Bird wasnt Perfect

Do People take it away from them bc they lost NO
(People with severe agendas like here yeah)


If you Put All those Arbitrary Stats Together like yall trying to do
and make people believe Jordan was Perfect,6/6
Then Jordan is and Will Never Be Close to Goat

Bill Russell was 11/13
and WENT 8 Straight in his "PRIME"
8/8 beats 6/6

But thats not the way it works
Only time that works is when people have a biased agenda to downplay,critisize,bring up a player in relation to another
Wilt Losing,LeBrons Cavs,AIs 76ers(oh wait that ones not brought up at all)
Bird,Magic losing


Its like now where people think LESS of Duncan for going
4/5 in Finals rather than losing before (or they dont count it bc of his age,unless he won)
But he Made the Finals,If Anything That Brings a Person Up
Regardless if they win or lose,Made the Finals,produced played good
Thats a plus

but in yall minds its better to lose in 1st round
Better to Be Carmelo,TMAC,Barkley than it is to be
West,Wilt,Wade


Logic on this Board,NOT EVEN ONCE

[riseagainst]

Jordan is one of GOAT

But He was not Perfect in Playoffs Period
His Team Lost
HE LOST

Extremely Arbitrary Stats like 6/6 DONT Count
BC he Had a 15 YR CAREER,
Even if you include the arbitrary "prime"90-99
He STILL Lost

Jerry West Went 2/9 in Finals
Hakeem Went 2/2 in Finals
Magic Johnson Went 5/9
Larry Bird wasnt Perfect

Do People take it away from them bc they lost NO
(People with severe agendas like here yeah)


If you Put All those Arbitrary Stats Together like yall trying to do
and make people believe Jordan was Perfect,6/6
Then Jordan is and Will Never Be Close to Goat

Bill Russell was 11/13
and WENT 8 Straight in his "PRIME"
8/8 beats 6/6

But thats not the way it works
Only time that works is when people have a biased agenda to downplay,critisize,bring up a player in relation to another
Wilt Losing,LeBrons Cavs,AIs 76ers(oh wait that ones not brought up at all)
Bird,Magic losing


Its like now where people think LESS of Duncan for going
4/5 in Finals rather than losing before (or they dont count it bc of his age,unless he won)
But he Made the Finals,If Anything That Brings a Person Up
Regardless if they win or lose,Made the Finals,produced played good
Thats a plus

but in yall minds its better to lose in 1st round
Better to Be Carmelo,TMAC,Barkley than it is to be
West,Wilt,Wade


Logic on this Board,NOT EVEN ONCE


:oldlol:

[Flash31]

This muhfvcka this mad:oldlol:

That's your opinion, MJ is the consensus GOAT by NBA fans and experts alike...deal wit it.


Nope,not mad at ALL
just its odd that yall bring down others for losing a series in prime or Finals
yet give Jordan Every Single Pass in The World

granted he is one of the Goat(But its clear yall get yall opinions from Espn and the Biased Jordan media)

And here I thought Jordan didnt need defending,propping up,giving him excuses,stanning
but yall proved that wrong(yall are somehow EXACTLY like LeBron and Kobe stans here which is Funny bc Its Jordan,He dont need Propping Up)

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ NEVER lost a series as favorites, with proper weapons around him in REALITY ... so why on earth would he lose in hypothetical scenarios where his supporting casts are even better, with arguably worse team competition?

:biggums:

[TheMan]

Nope,not mad at ALL
just its odd that yall bring down others for losing a series in prime or Finals
yet give Jordan Every Single Pass in The World

granted he is one of the Goat(But its clear yall get yall opinions from Espn and the Biased Jordan media)

And here I thought Jordan didnt need defending,propping up,giving him excuses,stanning
but yall proved that wrong(yall are somehow EXACTLY like LeBron and Kobe stans here which is Funny bc Its Jordan,He dont need Propping Up)
No one is propping up Jordan, his career and accolades speak for themselves.

[andgar923]

No one is propping up Jordan, his career and accolades speak for themselves.

I don't think they get that.

It's kinda like that scenario I posted in the Bulls vs heat thread. What I posted isn't really based entirely on hypotheticals that I pulled out of my ass cause I'm a stan.

It's because them shits actually happened in real life before!

They don't understand that, or don't want to.

And it wasn't as if it was a fluke one time thing either, the muhfuhka did it time and time again, it was almost as if it was a comic book in how ridiculous it was.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't think they get that.

It's kinda like that scenario I posted in the Bulls vs heat thread. What I posted isn't really based entirely on hypotheticals that I pulled out of my ass cause I'm a stan.

It's because them shits actually happened in real life before!

They don't understand that, or don't want to.

And it wasn't as if it was a fluke one time thing either, the muhfuhka did it time and time again, it was almost as if it was a comic book in how ridiculous it was.
They can't comprehend the legend that was MJ without having witnessed or heard the stories themselves. They act like your making him out to be some superhero character, when it was actually reality. No one was begging this guy to shoot in the NBA FINALS ON THEM, or calling him a bitch on national television without MONUMENTAL wraith in return.

[funnystuff]

Jordan is 6/15 when it comes to winning the NBA finals.

Move along and dont let Jordan stans brainwash.

[andgar923]

They can't comprehend the legend that was MJ without having witnessed or heard the stories themselves. They act like your making him out to be some superhero character, when it was actually reality. No one was begging this guy to shoot in the NBA FINALS ON THEM, or calling him a bitch on national television without MONUMENTAL wraith in return.
the shit he did was a joke.

It was Babe pointing X 10.

I mean, do people forget the shit he did and how he did it?

[SamuraiSWISH]

the shit he did was a joke.

It was Babe pointing X 10.

I mean, do people forget the shit he did and how he did it?
Ninja would start counting down from 55 on people in games ...

They'd be like WTF is he doing.

End of game, they look at the score board, MJ drops double nickel.

:oldlol:

[andgar923]

Ninja would start counting down from 55 on people in games ...

They'd be like WTF is he doing.

End of game, they look at the score board, MJ drops double nickel.

:oldlol:
Sounds like we're making this shit up.

[305Baller]

So if the Bulls won those years,You Credit Jordan and Boost him Up and Count the Win and Ring

Since they Didnt,He gets a Pass and it didnt Count,even though it did
So 6/6 and Undefeated in " Prime" people can say which is beyond a bunch of bull

You dont get a Pass if your team wins 55 games without you for the most part and you come back and play post all-star break and all in the playoffs Yet YOU Lose

Yep,I guess in yours and other peoples logic here its better to be the 67-15 Mavs losing in First Round than it is to be 06 Mavs losing in Finals

He "gets a pass"
No he doesnt,if no other star gets a pass for losing,Then Jordan doesnt either
just to keep up the fabricated "Undefeated,Perfect 6/6 Crap"
Its hypocrisy and biased statements to support your words and star then
(which is exactly what espn and media does,so its very easy to see where you get your beliefs from)

So if the Bulls won those years,You Credit Jordan and Boost him Up and Count the Win and Ring
If they won those years the whole equation would change, numbnuts. But they didn't win and Jordan's value is confirmed.

"He "gets a pass"
No he doesnt,if no other star gets a pass for losing,Then Jordan doesnt either
just to keep up the fabricated "Undefeated,Perfect 6/6 Crap"

He gets a pass from me because I know the circumstances involved. If you don't want to give him a pass, technically you are right. But I do, because I was there.


Its hypocrisy and biased statements to support your words and star then
(which is exactly what espn and media does,so its very easy to see where you get your beliefs from)

Blatant hate with no evidence to support it.

[riseagainst]

Jordan is 6/15 when it comes to winning the NBA finals.

Move along and dont let Jordan stans brainwash.

:biggums:

not sure if stupid and trolling, or just really facking retarded.

:wtf: :wtf:

[andgar923]

:biggums:

not sure if stupid and trolling, or just really facking retarded.

:wtf: :wtf:

The sad thing is, he doesn't understand the irony.

[funnystuff]

:biggums:

not sure if stupid and trolling, or just really facking retarded.

:wtf: :wtf:
How am i wrong? Youre a Kobe stan so your brain is obviously not up to par.


But really tell me how im wrong.

[dh144498]

funnystuff getting destroyed in this thread and just settles with calling people kobe stans.

:lol :lol :oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[funnystuff]

funnystuff getting destroyed in this thread and just settles with calling people kobe stans.

:lol :lol :oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:
You seem kind of upset. Whats wrong buddy?

[TheReal Kendall]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8bZrXJD84ts/USZEoL_nxkI/AAAAAAAABKw/Mx-n9JEZdLU/s1600/MJs+Trophies.png

[riseagainst]

How am i wrong? Youre a Kobe stan so your brain is obviously not up to par.


But really tell me how im wrong.

just call everyone a kobe stan when you get called out, you sound very upset.

Jordan 6/15 in the finals? :rolleyes:

[funnystuff]

just call everyone a kobe stan when you get called out, you sound very upset.

Jordan 6/15 in the finals? :rolleyes:
Tell me how many seasons he's played. First step.


Second step. Tell me how many finals he's won.

Third step. Kill yourself because youre fking retarded. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

The only time Jordan lost series is when it didn't count. Obvi.

[Young X]

Jordan with the teams he was on, realistically had about 7 chances to win a ring and he ended up with 6 rings and 6 FMVPs. The one year they didn't win they took the champion Pistons to game 7 of the ECF without homecourt.

6/7 aint bad. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[funnystuff]

The only time Jordan lost series is when it didn't count. Obvi.
Finally this. Kobe tards and Jordan apostles pretend like the other 9 seasons MJ played dont count because he lost. Imbeciles.

[TheMan]

w
Tell me how many seasons he's played. First step.


Second step. Tell me how many finals he's won.

Third step. Kill yourself because youre fking retarded. :oldlol:
This fakkit just salty because he knows LeBron is gonna fall short compared to Jordan so what are Bron stans to do? Yeah that's right, try and tear down MJ's lofty legacy! Their strategy is really simple, knock down MJ a peg or two in the hopes LeBron has a chance to be seen on MJ's level even if falls short in overall career accolades.

Guess what, it ain't gonna work. The Kobe stans tried that and it failed. No one save the really hardcore Kobe stan thinks Kobe is better than Jordan. Same will happen with LeBron. Maybe in our lifetime we'll see someone eclipse MJ, maybe not. One thing's for sure, neither Kobe and LeBron are that player.

[funnystuff]

This fakkit just salty because he knows LeBron is gonna fall short compared to Jordan so what are Bron stans to do? Yeah that's right, try and tear down MJ's lofty legacy! There strategy is really simple, knock down MJ a peg or two in the hopes LeBron has a chance to be seen on MJ's level even if falls short in overall career accolades.

Guess what, it ain't gonna work. The Kobe stans tried that and it failed. No one save the really hardcore Kobe stan tginks Kobe is better than Jordan. Same will happen with LeBron. Maybe in our lifetime we'll see someone eclipse MJ, maybe not. One thing's for sure, neither Kobe and LeBron are that player.
Go to a historical player forum because youve got Jordans nob so far down your throat.

[andgar923]

Finally this. Kobe tards and Jordan apostles pretend like the other 9 seasons MJ played dont count because he lost. Imbeciles.

You do know that your logic applies to every player to play correct?

And all but perhaps Russell still end up losing to MJ going by your logic.

bron is 2/10 and counting.

[NumberSix]

This fakkit just salty because he knows LeBron is gonna fall short compared to Jordan so what are Bron stans to do? Yeah that's right, try and tear down MJ's lofty legacy! There strategy is really simple, knock down MJ a peg or two in the hopes LeBron has a chance to be seen on MJ's level even if falls short in overall career accolades.

Guess what, it ain't gonna work. The Kobe stans tried that and it failed. No one save the really hardcore Kobe stan tginks Kobe is better than Jordan. Same will happen with LeBron. Maybe in our lifetime we'll see someone eclipse MJ, maybe not. One thing's for sure, neither Kobe and LeBron are that player.
Yeah, but Jordan fell short of Russell, so why do LeBron even need to care about Jordan?why should LeBron Stans being aiming for Jordan of all people?

[TheMan]

Go to a historical player forum because youve got Jordans nob so far down your throat.
You're one to talk, I've seen you drooling LeBron man seed from your mouth.

[K Xerxes]

Finally this. Kobe tards and Jordan apostles pretend like the other 9 seasons MJ played dont count because he lost. Imbeciles.

Nope, I think Jordan fans understand that you need a good enough team first.

Fact is, Jordan never lost as a favorite when his team was recognised as being better overall. He never let you down regardless of the overall result in the series. He played out of his mind every single time and did all he could to try and lead his team to success. Sometimes it didn't work out, but that wasn't necessarily his fault, particularly not in his prime and peak.

Look at LeBron and he quit on his Cavs team in 2010 2-1 up. The Celtics were a better team overall I felt, but there are no excuses for visibly quitting, particularly that horrible game 5 and almost 10 turnovers in game 6. Nothing needs to be said about 2011 - LeBron threw that away in a manner no one would have dreamed Jordan doing.

Kobe had horrible finals series in 04 and 08 particularly. Swept by the Mavs in 11 as reigning two time champions. And after a brilliant game 6 where he dropped 50 against the Suns in 06, he quit in game 7, shooting like 15 times IIRC in a blowout loss. 3-1 up and the series is lost.

[TheMan]

Yeah, but Jordan fell short of Russell, so why do LeBron even need to care about Jordan?why should LeBron Stans being aiming for Jordan of all people?
Russell is like Babe Ruth, the league was way different back then. You really think Babe Ruth would have the same success today? Same with Russell.

NBA modern era >

[poido123]

Are people really trying to discredit Jordan's 6/6 record?

Either they are trolling or they actually believe what they are saying. Probably both. :rolleyes:

I think it is just a feeble attempt to push their "We are Jordan stans" onto us and make it out like we are just like Kobe and Bron stans...

[funnystuff]

You're one to talk, I've seen you drooling LeBron man seed from your mouth.
Lebron is a current player. :wtf:

[funnystuff]

Nope, I think Jordan fans understand that you need a good enough team first.

Fact is, Jordan never lost as a favorite when his team was recognised as being better overall. He never let you down regardless of the overall result in the series. He played out of his mind every single time and did all he could to try and lead his team to success. Sometimes it didn't work out, but that wasn't necessarily his fault, particularly not in his prime and peak.

Look at LeBron and he quit on his Cavs team in 2010 2-1 up. The Celtics were a better team overall I felt, but there are no excuses for visibly quitting, particularly that horrible game 5 and almost 10 turnovers in game 6. Nothing needs to be said about 2011 - LeBron threw that away in a manner no one would have dreamed Jordan doing.

Kobe had horrible finals series in 04 and 08 particularly. Swept by the Mavs in 11 as reigning two time champions. And after a brilliant game 6 where he dropped 50 against the Suns in 06, he quit in game 7, shooting like 15 times IIRC in a blowout loss. 3-1 up and the series is lost.
How can you even say Lebron quit on the Cavs when he was a free agent. Please take your biased retardation somewhere else.

[TheMan]

Lebron is a current player. :wtf:
Oh I get it...it's ok to ride a player's nuts as long as he's playing! :wtf:

When LeBron retires, he shall not have anymore fans or else they have his nob down their throat. He's a decade into his career, better start looking for the next player to jockride.

Dumb azz logic, fakkit:oldlol:

[K Xerxes]

How can you even say Lebron quit on the Cavs when he was a free agent. Please take your biased retardation somewhere else.

I understand it's difficult to know what happened when you only started watching basketball a year ago, but I was referring to LeBron quitting on the Cavs when he was still playing against the Celtics.

Y'know, I think he'd be obligated to still give it his all with the jersey still on him and a ECF berth on the line? Or maybe because it's LeBron, he has the license to quit still under contract and was practically a free agent anyway? :rolleyes:

[funnystuff]

Oh I get it...it's ok to ride a player's nuts as long as he's playing! :wtf:

When LeBron retires, he shall not have anymore fans or else they have his nob down their throat. He's a decade into his career, better start looking for the next player to jockride.

Dumb azz logic, fakkit:oldlol:
So you resort to personal attacks on my sexuality? Its okay. I understand that Jordan and Kobe apostles are threatened by Lebrons greatness. I get it.

[funnystuff]

I understand it's difficult to know what happened when you only started watching basketball a year ago, but I was referring to LeBron quitting on the Cavs when he was still playing against the Celtics.

Y'know, I think he'd be obligated to still give it his all with the jersey still on him and a ECF berth on the line? Or maybe because it's LeBron, he has the license to quit still under contract and was practically a free agent anyway? :rolleyes:
He gave it his all. But everyone knows you need a good team to win ships. The Cavs front office could only come up with Mo Williams. :lol :lol
Lebron did the right thing and youre scared to admit it.

[K Xerxes]

He gave it his all. But everyone knows you need a good team to win ships. The Cavs front office could only come up with Mo Williams. :lol :lol
Lebron did the right thing and youre scared to admit it.

Instead of giving me the textbook pro LeBron rebuttal, how about you read my actual statements? I never said anything about his decision to leave Cleveland, but he was still obligated to perform to his maximum as a Cav when still wearing the jersey. And that's not what I saw against the Celtics when he incomprehensibly shot 3-14 for 15 points in game 5, and then had 9 turnovers in game 6. Yes, he had a triple double in game 6, but if you watched the games, you saw his body language and expression change on the court, particularly in those last two games. He quit on that team.

[funnystuff]

Instead of giving me the textbook pro LeBron rebuttal, how about you read my actual statements? I never said anything about his decision to leave Cleveland, but he was still obligated to perform to his maximum as a Cav when still wearing the jersey. And that's not what I saw against the Celtics when he incomprehensibly shot 3-14 for 15 points in game 5, and then had 9 turnovers in game 6. Yes, he had a triple double in game 6, but if you watched the games, you saw his body language and expression change on the court, particularly in those last two games. He quit on that team.
So nit picking a couple games Lebron didnt play well, is him quitting on his team? You know damn well i could find games MJ played terrible in and make the same claim. It goes 2 ways kiddo.

[TheMan]

So you resort to personal attacks on my sexuality? Its okay. I understand that Jordan and Kobe apostles are threatened by Lebrons greatness. I get it.
You're the one who first said I had Jordan's nob down my throat you retard.

That's ok, I know you know MJ > LeBron

[K Xerxes]

So nit picking a couple games Lebron didnt play well, is him quitting on his team? You know damn well i could find games MJ played terrible in and make the same claim. It goes 2 ways kiddo.

Except these were the most important games of the season that decided whether they progress to the ECF or go home. Nothing like a LeBron stan trying to sweep them under the rug though.

Another series in 2011 where he completely threw it away because he couldn't handle a zone.

Find me an MJ collapse on those levels and we'll talk.

[funnystuff]

You're the one who first said I had Jordan's nob down my throat you retard.

That's ok, I know you know MJ > LeBron
Doesn't mean i called you a "fakkit". Just the truth.

[imdaman99]

After winning the first title he...

never. lost. again.


Until Wizards "floor Jordan", anyways.
agreed. once he started winning, the only thing that could contain him was retirement or baseball.

[TheMan]

Except these were the most important games of the season that decided whether they progress to the ECF or go home. Nothing like a LeBron stan trying to sweep them under the rug though.

Another series in 2011 where he completely threw it away because he couldn't handle a zone.

Find me an MJ collapse on those levels and we'll talk.
There aren't any. But I bet you anything this noob funnystuff went to look for one in basketball-reference and right now he's mad as hell that he couldn't find a playoffs series the Bulls lost that was MJ's fault. :oldlol: He's just finding out that MJ put up a +60 and +40 pt performance in a losing effort against one of basketball greatest teams in the '86 Celtics:bowdown: He's also real shook at the stats MJ put on one of the NBA's toughest defenses, Pistons Bad Boys, that was fully focused on stopping him:applause: And all of this damage done without not even one All-Star teammate (Pippen and Grant were still very raw) while those teams had multiple HOFers in their prime.

I don't think funnystuff is gon' touch that subject again:roll: Quite simply, Jordan lost because he had no support, once he had quality help, he dominated. 6 FMVPs is all you need to know.:bowdown:

MJ > LBJ and it ain't close

[longtime lurker]

Jordan is 6/15 when it comes to winning the NBA finals.

Move along and dont let Jordan stans brainwash.

Jesus even by using your own logic Lebron still looks like shit :facepalm

6/15>2/10

[secund2nun]

Jordan never lost a finals. So why should he lose one in hypothetical, post-career life?

That logic makes zero sense. Jordan has lost many times in the first round, which is worse than losing in the finals.

[TheMan]

That logic makes zero sense. Jordan has lost many times in the first round, which is worse than losing in the finals.
Da fuq, is this tennis? You Bron stans are the first to shout that LBJ needed quality help, that's the reason James left for Miami, and you expect MJ with the all around garbage he had in his first years was gonna beat teams on his own?:facepalm dumbass:oldlol:

Y'all just salty because MJ won the right way and he waited for Pip and Grant to develope instead of joining Bird or Magic to stack the cards in his favor.

Stay salty my friend:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Lemme just add something so you guys don't think I hate LBJ, I don't, he's the best player today no doubt and an absolute beast but you stans wanna put him above the GOAT (MJ) when he doesn't have a case as of right now. Context, it is an impressive feat on it's own that LeBron led his Cavs in 07 to the Finals as a 22 year old (where he got merked in the Finals 4-0 vs the Spurs) but that was a very weak EC, the Nets and Pistons were done and the previous champs, the Wade Heat were already eliminated, what other great team in the East challenged them? None.

Now put those same 07 Cavs in the 86-89 EC vs the Bird Celtics and Bad Boys Pistons and they don't even sniff the Finals, that simple.

This is the reason Bron stans get their asses handed to them whenever they debate hoops fans who've been watching the NBA more than just a few years ago...

[Flash31]

Lemme just add something so you guys don't think I hate LBJ, I don't, he's the best player today no doubt and an absolute beast but you stans wanna put him above the GOAT (MJ) when he doesn't have a case as of right now. Context, it is an impressive feat on it's own that LeBron led his Cavs in 07 to the Finals as a 22 year old (where he got merked in the Finals 4-0 vs the Spurs) but that was a very weak EC, the Nets and Pistons were done and the previous champs, the Wade Heat were already eliminated, what other great team in the East challenged them? None.

Now put those same 07 Cavs in the 86-89 EC vs the Bird Celtics and Bad Boys Pistons and they don't even sniff the Finals, that simple.

This is the reason Bron stans get their asses handed to them whenever they debate hoops fans who've been watching the NBA more than just a few years ago...



Most people dont hate Jordan(except maybe Kobe,LeBron stans and Det,NY,Ind fans)
Most people know Jordan is one of goat(Wilt,Russell,Kareem can be argued as Goat as well),or The GOAT

Its simply put though that Im guessing due to in huge part to the media,ESPN,NBA,marketing
people like you believe Jordan was Undoubtedly,Unquestionably the GOAT
and Was Perfect and nobody comes close
Yall act like Jordan was a GOD when he played
he was Perfect in Finals

Its like Jordan could do no wrong
The media made yall believe that due to him being a guard and being 6/6 in Finals made him GOAT like losing in the 1st round is Better than the Finals
Some of yall actually believe that

And on top of that,yall(MJ stans)believe that nobody comes close to MJ
and can never come close and any great player that does achieve greatness and plays good gets downplayed,critisized,insulted
like Yall are worshipping him and Nobody touches Jordan
(whether Jealousy,Feat,Envy,nobody comes close in yall minds
and MJ is perfect)

[The Choken One]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

Jordan is heads and shoulders above EVERY other perimeter player to ever play the game. The only players that have GOAT arguments are Centers. Jordan was a once in a century player. Kobe & LBJ are once in a decade or two players.

[Flash31]

And what I find funny and hypocrisy and extreme hate is
Jordan gets a Pss for EVERYTHING

Losing to Orlando Magic,getting beat by the Pistons Twice in a Row,being a horrible teammate and complete ***,

yet other stars get brought down bc of their losses and attitude in playoffs,towards teammates in comparison to MJ


MJ gets a pass for being horrible teammate,Kobe doesnt
Mj gets a pass for losing to DET twice,losing to Orlando Magic,LeBron gets brought down for losing with the Cavs in Finals

Its clear as day to yall that MJ can DO and NEVEER DID ANY Wrong while any other star compared to him or deemed close to or better gets everything faulted and critisized


You said so yourself as well as others,Cleveland had no business at ALL being in 2007 Finals at ALL,It was LeBron and crap like you and others said but
LeBron gets discredited and insulted,critisized,faulted for losing
and his teammates were all of a sudden good or solid in comparing him to MJ and other greats

MJ lost in 88,89,and his teammates were CLEARLY BETTER Than LeBrons and MJ was older,yet he gets a pass bc his team wasnt good enough(total hypocrisy)

Its almost like yall took Mjs personality as well as worshipping him as A Perfect Basketball God,
Jealousy,Hate,and anybody that comes close to him or is deemed better at things,or better gets downplayed,critisized,everything faulted while MJ gets a pass for EVERYTHING

Wade gets insulted for his 06 Finals,Playoffs and downplayed for ref treatment yet MJ gets a pass even though it was clear as day the players,fans,everybody said Jordan had preferrential treatment,he was Leagues Posterboy,was practically Untouchable and had the special JORDAN RULES where you couldnt even breath on him

Jordan had so much special treatment he makes Kevin Durant getting fouled by Terry five ft away look like a flagrant,he makes Kobe elbowing Bibby in the face and Bibby getting called for the Foul look like good calls,
yet he gets a pass



LeBron is nowhere near MJ yet,hes a great player but his career is nowhere near Jordans at THIS Moment yet bc hes getting compared he gets trashed by MJ stans and people that believe every word espn and the media fed them

Kobe gets faulted for his teammate attitude and on court demeanor yet Jordan gets a pass
Kobe gets faulted for having stacked supporting casts and winning while Jordan and his 50 plus win teams,multiple hof,all stars get a pass

Yall said so yourself MJs teams weerent good enough in the 80s then,while at the same time yall crtitisize LeBron and Kobe for not winning with crap or only winning with good teams


Its beyond funny
MJ stans are BY FAR BY FAR the MOST HYPOCRITICAL,BIASED,DELUSIONAL,HATING,JEALOUS,Igno rant,
OBNOXIOUS FANS EVER

[Flash31]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

Jordan is heads and shoulders above EVERY other perimeter player to ever play the game. The only players that have GOAT arguments are Centers. Jordan was a once in a century player. Kobe & LBJ are once in a decade or two players.



every perimetr player you say

HEAD AND AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THEM

Magic Johnson,Jerry West,Larry Bird,John Stockton,Dr J,
Kobe,WADE,Payton,Gervin,Rodman,Earl Monroe,KC Jones,Havlicek,Cousy,Worthy,iSIAH

AND ON AND ON

sOME OF THESE PLAYERS ARE UP THER IN GREATEST OF ALL TIME,SOME OF THEM HAVE OVER 30,000 PTS PLUS,multiple rings
counting NBA,ABA

Some of them like MAGIC FOR EX Have a good claim for beig equal to or Better than Jordan,others were clearly better defenders,playmakers,had more blocks,more efficient

Stockton has 15,000 assists to MJs 5,500
Stockton is num 1 in steals
WADE IS the BEST Shot Blocking Guard
Jerry West holds alot of records too



BUT YEAH HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THEM OKAY RIGHT
Hes not just better than all of them,hes HEAD AND SHOULDERS WAY ABOVE THEM

AND MJ Being once in a century player while Kobe and LeBron once in a Decade,WOW THE HATE THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE COMING FROM YOU

There wont be another MJ again but there also wont be another Kobe or Lebron again
Kobes better at MJ at some things and LeBron is better than MJ as well at other things(playmaking,Rebounds,Blocks,EFFICENCY,3 pts,Versatility)
and both of them are pretty damn good,a Lot,EVERYBODY WOULD SAY THEYRE WELL on their way to being some of the greatest of all time

with LeBron in Particular eclipsing Jordans records every year
more pts earlier,more records,more championshops and awards at earlier age and counting,
rebounds assists blocks


YET FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS KOBE AND LEBRON DO
ALL Literally MJ stans is discredit,insult,downplay,critisize and hate on them
and PROP UP MJ AS THE GOAT NO DOUBT,UNQUESTIONABLY,PERFECT,NO Failure PLAYER
And nobody comes close,and if somebody does they reword it to no perimetr player and hate on anybody thats deemed close or CAN BE

[Legends66NBA7]

BUT YEAH HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THEM OKAY RIGHT
Hes not just better than all of them

Who is he not better than ? It's pretty clear that most consider him the best perimeter player ever, with only arguments being Bird and Magic for the most part and now James. Bryant was there, but not the consistency.

Lot of the records you mentioned like Stockton's all-time assist and steal records was because he played longer. He wasn't going to beat Magic if he played just as long and he wouldn't beat Jordan because Jordan was better per game in steals.

So who he's better than ? He's considered head and shoulders above most, if not all, because of how consistent of a performer he was in the both regular season and playoffs.




And for real man, why do you post the way you do ? It's pretty hard to read.

[Flash31]

Who is he not better than ? It's pretty clear that most consider him the best perimeter player ever, with only arguments being Bird and Magic for the most part and now James. Bryant was there, but not the consistency.

Lot of the records you mentioned like Stockton's all-time assist and steal records was because he played longer. He wasn't going to beat Magic if he played just as long and he wouldn't beat Jordan because Jordan was better per game in steals.

So who he's better than ? He's considered head and shoulders above most, if not all, because of how consistent of a performer he was in the both regular season and playoffs.




And for real man, why do you post the way you do ? It's pretty hard to read.
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I thought it makes it easier to read,Usually if somebody posts a lot of things on one comment or wants to explain something It becomes or looks like its lot longer to read or gets diregarded as long winded up explosions of emotions or ideas,thoughts something
or if theres multiple things or ideas,comments,things that are answered or need to be singled out,stressed,more visible IT makes it easier to Bullet-Point,Tab,or Space them out to get each Point or Thing across rather than putting them all together in one paragraph or One on top of and right next to each other together


I should Bullet Point OR stress each point OUT RATHER THAN TABBING IT LIKE THAT OR SPACING IT,BUT Forsome reason I dont,probably will though

SO To answer tyour other question is simple

-BIRD
-Magic
-Stockton
-Isiah(He did beat Jordan Twice now,one of goat pg and defenders)
-DR J
-West

Theyre all close,and yes Stockton did play longer than Magic and get more assists but he cant be faulted or downplayed for that,
MOST STEALS AND ASSISTS -QUITE A RECORD,And its not like his avg is low on ast or steals,its still one of the highest
Its like Kareem with Most Points-Cant fault or downplay that,if You went by AVG
Wilt would be the GOAT SCORER EVER,Quickest to 30,000 pts by Far

LeBron
-Kobe
theyre great,havent quite reached Jordan yet,Kobe might never but is still great and has one of greatest careers and is close to MJ just not BETTER

LeBron still has time to go and is young,career is still going and hes still adding on to it,His career cant quite be compared fully to Jordans bc its nowhere near over yet and 10 vs 15 is still 5 yrs off

[poido123]

every perimetr player you say

HEAD AND AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THEM

Magic Johnson,Jerry West,Larry Bird,John Stockton,Dr J,
Kobe,WADE,Payton,Gervin,Rodman,Earl Monroe,KC Jones,Havlicek,Cousy,Worthy,iSIAH

AND ON AND ON

sOME OF THESE PLAYERS ARE UP THER IN GREATEST OF ALL TIME,SOME OF THEM HAVE OVER 30,000 PTS PLUS,multiple rings
counting NBA,ABA

Some of them like MAGIC FOR EX Have a good claim for beig equal to or Better than Jordan,others were clearly better defenders,playmakers,had more blocks,more efficient

Stockton has 15,000 assists to MJs 5,500
Stockton is num 1 in steals
WADE IS the BEST Shot Blocking Guard
Jerry West holds alot of records too



BUT YEAH HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THEM OKAY RIGHT
Hes not just better than all of them,hes HEAD AND SHOULDERS WAY ABOVE THEM

AND MJ Being once in a century player while Kobe and LeBron once in a Decade,WOW THE HATE THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE COMING FROM YOU

There wont be another MJ again but there also wont be another Kobe or Lebron again
Kobes better at MJ at some things and LeBron is better than MJ as well at other things(playmaking,Rebounds,Blocks,EFFICENCY,3 pts,Versatility)
and both of them are pretty damn good,a Lot,EVERYBODY WOULD SAY THEYRE WELL on their way to being some of the greatest of all time

with LeBron in Particular eclipsing Jordans records every year
more pts earlier,more records,more championshops and awards at earlier age and counting,
rebounds assists blocks


YET FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS KOBE AND LEBRON DO
ALL Literally MJ stans is discredit,insult,downplay,critisize and hate on them
and PROP UP MJ AS THE GOAT NO DOUBT,UNQUESTIONABLY,PERFECT,NO Failure PLAYER
And nobody comes close,and if somebody does they reword it to no perimetr player and hate on anybody thats deemed close or CAN BE


What sort of guy has a Rodman avatar, but hates on Jordan?

:wtf:

I can't be bothered getting into the Jordan conversations, he has been talked about over and over again.

One thing I will agree with you, he isn't heads and shoulders above everyone, but he is comfortably ahead of most. He is arguably the GOAT, but let's be real here, Lebron isn't near Jordan from a playing perspective or resume and until that happens, there might be something worth talking about.

BTW, your grammar and spelling is so bad, I don't know why you attempt to try and write these long ass posts.

[Nevaeh]

And what I find funny and hypocrisy and extreme hate is
Jordan gets a Pss for EVERYTHING

Losing to Orlando Magic,getting beat by the Pistons Twice in a Row,being a horrible teammate and complete ***,

Jordan was the only player on the team that "brought it" on a consistent basis back then. His being a *** was due to frustration more than anything

yet other stars get brought down bc of their losses and attitude in playoffs,towards teammates in comparison to MJ


MJ gets a pass for being horrible teammate,Kobe doesnt
Mj gets a pass for losing to DET twice,losing to Orlando Magic,LeBron gets brought down for losing with the Cavs in Finals

Kobe has a history of throwing teammates under the bus, ironically after games where he plays like crap. See 2012's series versus the Thunder for proof. Lebron flat out quit, and even admitted himself that he was immature back then.

Its clear as day to yall that MJ can DO and NEVEER DID ANY Wrong while any other star compared to him or deemed close to or better gets everything faulted and critisized


You said so yourself as well as others,Cleveland had no business at ALL being in 2007 Finals at ALL,It was LeBron and crap like you and others said but
LeBron gets discredited and insulted,critisized,faulted for losing
and his teammates were all of a sudden good or solid in comparing him to MJ and other greats

Lebron doesn't get discredited for making the Finals that year. He gets discredited for flat out disappearing once he got there.

MJ lost in 88,89,and his teammates were CLEARLY BETTER Than LeBrons and MJ was older,yet he gets a pass bc his team wasnt good enough(total hypocrisy)

And there were teams better than Jordan's teams back then also. Lebron's Cavs teams were leading the pack back then.

Its almost like yall took Mjs personality as well as worshipping him as A Perfect Basketball God,
Jealousy,Hate,and anybody that comes close to him or is deemed better at things,or better gets downplayed,critisized,everything faulted while MJ gets a pass for EVERYTHING

No player has come close to him since he retired, but clowns love to insist that their favorite player is on MJ's level. If dudes would just stfu, and enjoy their "guy" for what they accomplish independent of Jordan, then their wouldn't be these repeated debates week after week.

Wade gets insulted for his 06 Finals,Playoffs and downplayed for ref treatment yet MJ gets a pass even though it was clear as day the players,fans,everybody said Jordan had preferrential treatment,he was Leagues Posterboy,was practically Untouchable and had the special JORDAN RULES where you couldnt even breath on him

Everybody and their mother knows that the NBA rules were specifically changed to cater to perimeter players that year, Wade included. That was also the year that Wade officially went from "fearless warrior" Wade to "Where's the foul call, Ref"? Wade.

Jordan had so much special treatment he makes Kevin Durant getting fouled by Terry five ft away look like a flagrant,he makes Kobe elbowing Bibby in the face and Bibby getting called for the Foul look like good calls,
yet he gets a pass

Kobe has Jordan beat on career FT attempts per game, and he's primarily a jump shooter. Don't even need to bring up Durant's time spent at the line, for someone who's also a known jumpshooter. If anybody's been getting "passes" for years, it's these two.



LeBron is nowhere near MJ yet,hes a great player but his career is nowhere near Jordans at THIS Moment yet bc hes getting compared he gets trashed by MJ stans and people that believe every word espn and the media fed them

Lebron doesn't get trashed by people that respect his game. But his "LeCronies" here at ISH do get their asses brought back down to earth, when they become a bit overzealous in overplaying Lebron's accomplishments when compared to MJ.

Kobe gets faulted for his teammate attitude and on court demeanor yet Jordan gets a pass

Dude, please. Kobe will throw up a bullsh!t shot, then look at his teammates in anger like thy're the ones that hoisted up the bullsh!t.
:oldlol:

Kobe gets faulted for having stacked supporting casts and winning while Jordan and his 50 plus win teams,multiple hof,all stars get a pass

When Jordan is still the player who carries the majority of the team load, and is expected to be clutch in the Finals year after year, and is the FMVP for every one of his runs, then YES he gets a "pass". A very well earned "pass" to boot.

Yall said so yourself MJs teams weerent good enough in the 80s then,while at the same time yall crtitisize LeBron and Kobe for not winning with crap or only winning with good teams

Again, Lebron gets crticized for flat out disappearing at the worst point in the season (the Finals), NOT for getting his team there. Kobe gets criticized for whining like a b!tch during his losing seasons, because he ultimately was the one responsible for his predicament during those years. He wanted his own team, and he got it. But he couldn't deal with the adversity that comes with it like other players have.


Its beyond funny
MJ stans are BY FAR BY FAR the MOST HYPOCRITICAL,BIASED,DELUSIONAL,HATING,JEALOUS,Igno rant,
OBNOXIOUS FANS EVER

You should really consider rereading some of your own posts in this very Thread, before you attempt to make that claim.





................

[Dbrog]

Here's the thing with MJ. Is he the GOAT? Certainly top 3 without many arguments. People do definitely consider him untouchable with the perfect resume. However, he clearly has holes in his resume...they just don't matter enough to bring him down in ranking for most people. Yes, he's lost to teams in the playoffs. Yes, he's never really had to beat teams as great as Birds Celtics or Kareem/Magics Lakers...I'd even say he didn't beat any teams as good as Kobe/Shaq Lakers.

He also gave up because he was "bored" and felt like he had nothing left to prove in his 1st retirement (which I consider his biggest black mark). Who knows how his legacy would look if he lost to Hakeem once or twice in the Finals...though my guess is he would still consistently be ranked #1. Some people say that retirement was due to gambling reasons or the such, but it still stands as prime years in which the "greatest competitor ever" CHOSE to bow out to competition. What other person in the top 10..hell even 20 did that?

I don't disagree with people for putting MJ #1, but it's ridiculous to say that he is "heads and shoulders" over people or "once in a century" type player. At least his stats are attainable. Wilt is clearly more of a once in a century player in terms of stats. You could even make the case for prime Kareem being rarer than MJ if you are one of the people who thinks eras don't translate.

[Flash31]

What sort of guy has a Rodman avatar, but hates on Jordan?

:wtf:

I can't be bothered getting into the Jordan conversations, he has been talked about over and over again.

One thing I will agree with you, he isn't heads and shoulders above everyone, but he is comfortably ahead of most. He is arguably the GOAT, but let's be real here, Lebron isn't near Jordan from a playing perspective or resume and until that happens, there might be something worth talking about.

BTW, your grammar and spelling is so bad, I don't know why you attempt to try and write these long ass posts.


Ive always liked Rodman over Jordan
I was a Huge fan of Det over Mjs Bulls
I dont hate MJ,Im a fan of Mj,but rarely did I root for him
I liked R Miller over Jordan surprisingly
DET-BAD BOYS over MJs Bulls

I just prefer Rodmans game over Jordans(both are great,just the way I do)
Its like 05 DET Over 06 Suns

Rodman gets relgated to just the "goat roleplayer"which is just beyond a bunch of bull,come on roleplayer,THATS Just Bad
Its like Bosh just being a 3rd wheel

[poido123]

Ive always liked Rodman over Jordan
I was a Huge fan of Det over Mjs Bulls
I dont hate MJ,Im a fan of Mj,but rarely did I root for him
I liked R Miller over Jordan surprisingly
DET-BAD BOYS over MJs Bulls

I just prefer Rodmans game over Jordans(both are great,just the way I do)
Its like 05 DET Over 06 Suns

Rodman gets relgated to just the "goat roleplayer"which is just beyond a bunch of bull,come on roleplayer,THATS Just Bad
Its like Bosh just being a 3rd wheel


:cheers:

Well we both appreciate Rodman and he played a very important role in the second three peat for the Bulls. I would go as far as to say, without Rodman no 3-peat. Rodman was a great roleplayer, but that isn't a knock on him, he was just not relied on for anything else but rebounding and defense. He made the hall of fame for being a great roleplayer, so it's not like he isn't recognised for what he did.