FastFood workers strike because they want $15/hr!

[MJ(Mean John)]

LOL. GTFOH. That's over $30,000. Honestly, I'm all for people being taken care of and all that good stuff. But lets be real. $15 hr? To give to someone to flip burgers without any training or education or anything? Any jackass can walk into McDonald's and get $15 for showing up.

It just throws off the world if you pay begining works $15, what the hell do you pay managers? And upper management?
How much would they charge for a value burger? $5? (A Big Mac is already $4,something)


http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77198725/


Why stop at $15/hr? Just go ahead and ask for $100k a year.

[ZeN]

I agree McDonalds cant possibly afford to pay people more than minimum wage.

oh wait..



Im just messing with ya lol

[nightprowler10]

They're demanding $15/hr knowing they won't get that. Its a negotiation tactic.

[riseagainst]

lol..... get an education if they want to make more money. Stop getting D's on your report cards and you won't have to work at MCDonald's. They are too dumb to realize that the D's on their report cards stand for "derr derr derr".

[Knicks101]

What difference does it make? They could pay them 100k a year for all I care.

[ZeN]

What difference does it make? They could pay them 100k a year for all I care.
Because everyone apperantly needs someone to look down on. :D



lol

[Take Your Lumps]

Something has got to give. Corporations can't have it all.

You either have to limit companies from emptying their full-time job roles in favor of bringing everyone in as part-time (thereby dropping their benefits), or you have to increase people's wages.

A TON of service sector companies have been doing this increasingly over the past decade to pad their earnings.

A single person MAY be able to survive on a part-time job, working 20-30 hours a week @ $7.25 (~10,000 a year) but c'mon....nobody can support a family on that.

And when they're not able to and they go on public assistance....who pays the bill?

The rest of us. Not the company.

[HarryCallahan]

Something has got to give. Corporations can't have it all.

You either have to limit companies from emptying their full-time job roles in favor of bringing everyone in as part-time (thereby dropping their benefits), or you have to increase people's wages.

A TON of service sector companies have been doing this increasingly over the past decade to pad their earnings.

A single person MAY be able to survive on a part-time job, working 20-30 hours a week @ $7.25 (~10,000 a year) but c'mon....nobody can support a family on that.

And when they're not able to and they go on public assistance....who pays the bill?

The rest of us. Not the company.

Then that may be the problem that needs fixing. I don't wanna enable sh!t-for-brains to have a family of 10+. If we do society is doomed.

[HarryCallahan]

F*ck you for being upset about this. How would McDonalds paying them 15 dollars affect you at all? Would they make more than you, thus making you feel bad about yourself?

Those jobs suck shit and most don't offer benefits. People generally need enough money to live on and minimum wage isn't good enough. If they make shit money they could also get food stamps and shit like that, which you'd help pay for.


Jesus Christ..... You do realise that anyone working in an American McD's has an easier life than 75% of people alive today right? And an easier life than 99.999999999% of people to have ever lived.

[highwhey]

i don't even like going to mcdonalds anymore. i always end up spending the same as a i would at inn n out or a real burger joint. you never just get 1 hot n spicy...u go for at least 2 and fries and then a drink or w/e. that sh!t adds up to being the same as a legitimate burger from a real burger joint. :mad:

[OldSkoolball#52]

F*ck you for being upset about this. How would McDonalds paying them 15 dollars affect you at all? Would they make more than you, thus making you feel bad about yourself?


This.

I have absolutely no problem with the workers demanding it. I have absolutely no problem with anyone for being in a union. They're trying to get the best deal for themselves. They are bargaining. They are using every bit of possible leverage they have, to get what they want, and it's no different than what a middle class guy does when he goes to work, or an upper class guy with his business.

The people I have a problem with are random, overly sensitive, too-much-time-on-their-hands, no real world experience college liberals (and people who are past college and should have grown out of liberal fanaticism) who decide it is THEIR entitlement to mediate between workers and management. "Raises that minimum wage! Give the unions more power! And throw in some extra benefits! You there, I wanna see you pay out more overtime!" Like snappin their fingers and giving orders to people in negotiation affairs that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

The downside for everyone to raising wages is that products will become more expensive. Things we take for granted now will suddenly cost a lot more, and then these idealogue pansies will just complain about that, but somehow manage to blame business owners.

Let the market do what the market will. You don't HAVE to take the business owners OR the unions sides. Why don't you just stay out of it? Too many dumb kids wanna find their identity playing Superman from the comfort of their computer chair in their mom and dads suburban home for all the world's disenfranchised. You wanna make a difference? Go volunteer. Or go make a bunch of money yourself, and pay all your workers great wagers. Stop with your ****ing loser complaining. For gods ****in sake.

[ZeN]

Jesus Christ..... You do realise that anyone working in an American McD's has an easier life than 75% of people alive today right? And an easier life than 99.999999999% of people to have ever lived.
Im not fighting dude. Im seriously curious. How old are you?

[OldSkoolball#52]

I agree McDonalds cant possibly afford to pay people more than minimum wage.

oh wait..



Im just messing with ya lol


If I jacked up the prices of all the things you buy on a daily basis: Gas, food, electricity, appliances, toiletteries, media/entertainment... and told you "don't worry, all that extra expense you're suddenly incurring is adding $2/hr to the minimum wage, I absolutely guarantee you'd be singing a different tune.

That's the thing with the far left. They refuse to realize that there is no such thing as perfect. And so everything that isn't perfect, they demand to break it apart and screw it up even worse trying to tape it back together in some better way.

You wanna do your part for the cause of ideology? Then live it. Don't go to McDonalds, and write them a letter telling them its because of their wages. You probably eat there 4 times a week and then get on the computer and claim their employees should get more money. You're an apathetic bozo, wallowing in your hypocrisy, and thinking it somehow makes you cool, tolerant, prgoressive, intellectual, and all sorts of other qualities you fancy just because you're sitting there crying out online for the "little guy" while you do absolutely nothing I.R.L. about it.

Good on you buh.



edit: Damn I got punked. :lol



But the point still stands!

[HarryCallahan]

You do realize that's irrelevant? Minimum wage workers have a hard time making a living. That's a fact.

How is it going to hurt YOU personally if they get 15 an hour?

I'm gonna have to find somewhere else to get my 1/4 pounder and two large fries. :confusedshrug:

No, not a "fact." They have a hard time making money, not living. Big difference.

[OldSkoolball#52]

You do realize that's irrelevant? Minimum wage workers have a hard time making a living. That's a fact.

How is it going to hurt YOU personally if they get 15 an hour?



I've said this a million times and I'll say it again for anyone who is too stupid to have come to this realization.


Nobody over 30 years old should be making minimum wage. Those jobs are for high schoolers, kids in college, or young people who perhaps didn't go to college and started out in the workforce. Even if you weren't able to go to college, if you work at the same entry level job for 8 years and haven't earned any raises or promotions, even to assistant manager? You are doing something wrong.

There are tons of jobs you don't need college for that pay better than minimum. You can go into law enforcement. You can work for the postal service. You can sell cars. You can sell air conditioners, you can sell anything and make your own money. You can be a mechanic. You can be a plumber.

There are so many jobs out there that you can make decent money if you hone a SKILL. You want people to earn a big sum of money for not having developed a SINGLE skill by the time they're 30???? Excuse me, I did not word that appropriately. Because earned is not the appropriate word. You want them to be HANDED a big chunk of money, simply because their parents had sex and popped them out into the world??

It's just so incredibly ignorant and naive. The world is not a fun little merry-go-round for everyone who feels like riding. Sometimes you have to grind. It's up to you. Every person is responsible for doing what they gotta do. "The government" is not responsible for that.

[Thorpesaurous]

This.

I have absolutely no problem with the workers demanding it. I have absolutely no problem with anyone for being in a union. They're trying to get the best deal for themselves. They are bargaining. They are using every bit of possible leverage they have, to get what they want, and it's no different than what a middle class guy does when he goes to work, or an upper class guy with his business.

The people I have a problem with are random, overly sensitive, too-much-time-on-their-hands, no real world experience college liberals (and people who are past college and should have grown out of liberal fanaticism) who decide it is THEIR entitlement to mediate between workers and management. "Raises that minimum wage! Give the unions more power! And throw in some extra benefits! You there, I wanna see you pay out more overtime!" Like snappin their fingers and giving orders to people in negotiation affairs that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

The downside for everyone to raising wages is that products will become more expensive. Things we take for granted now will suddenly cost a lot more, and then these idealogue pansies will just complain about that, but somehow manage to blame business owners.

Let the market do what the market will. You don't HAVE to take the business owners OR the unions sides. Why don't you just stay out of it? Too many dumb kids wanna find their identity playing Superman from the comfort of their computer chair in their mom and dads suburban home for all the world's disenfranchised. You wanna make a difference? Go volunteer. Or go make a bunch of money yourself, and pay all your workers great wagers. Stop with your ****ing loser complaining. For gods ****in sake.


You are correct sir.

[senelcoolidge]

Don't people realize that increasing minimum wage only increases the prices on everything. The prices on the value meals will double. What's wrong with people? These are low level jobs, these are the the jobs that teenagers, new immigrants, and people that are in transitional period do. Unless you are planning to go into management you have no business staying in those type of jobs. Get an education, get a vocational degree, do something better with your life. People just want things handed to them..lazy asses. You increase wages and companies will have to let people go.

[ErhnamDjinn]

rofl I work for you Americans in a outsourced company and may only $3 a hour hehehe I really wish they paid us a little more, but Im fine where Im so far. :lol

[longhornfan1234]

It's been proven over and over.....from the CBO to the Cato Institute.

Raising the minimum wage will:
-increase unemployment, especially among teenagers.
-reduce productivity
-increase inflation and the cost of consumer goods and sevices
-lower GDP

Raising minimum wage hurts the lower class more than it helps. All it does... is create a reaction throughout the economy of higher inflation to offset the higher wages employers will pay. A company like Walmart who base their whole day to day operations off of supply chain efficiencies and low cost mechanisms have success because they can hire workers for low minimum wages. These savings are then passed on to customers.

[boozehound]

Jesus Christ..... You do realise that anyone working in an American McD's has an easier life than 75% of people alive today right? And an easier life than 99.999999999% of people to have ever lived.
As an archaeologist, I can tell you that this is not really true. They may have more access to things, but that is pretty far from a good life. Personal health, stress, happiness all play a role as well, and most people (outside of slaves and serfs, which are not that big of a proportion of the history of humanity) had much better quality of life in many ways.

[ihatetimthomas]

Workers at in n out make about $15/hour or more sometimes. And those people earn every cent of that. They are the only fast food franchise where its actually ran correctly and they get the most out of their workers. Those guys work way harder than the typical fast food workers.

[MJ(Mean John)]

You know, all these idiots come and say stupid things like

"What is it to you jerk? If McDonald's pays blah blah. They're rich! "
Or
"You can't live off of minimum wage! You shouldn't care if they get blah blah"


Cut the shit fellas. This is the real fuc.ken world. Why should minimum wage jobs (because they require no skill, training, special abilities, etc) increase? (And to the idiot who said that i would be upset because they would make more- i make over 50k) Because people can't live off that?

Why is it anyone's responsibility that you raise the pay of low level jobs?
We're regular people just like them. Now unless they have a disability, LIKE MENTIONED, these jobs are for kids, teens, etc.

You have issues it you're an employee of McDonald's at the age of 30, and have been working the same job still earning minimum wage.
Get a different job! Apply for government assistance (if you are 30) go to school and apply for financial aid, THEN get the tools needed to get a higher paying job.


I'm just sick of ppl feeling that they are entitled to things. Wtf. Dude grow up. Kids don't need to make bank. This should be a side gig for school. Paying them MORE THAN the market demands is foolish. Why? Because they haven't put in the work, time and effort to do something or become something more rewarding?

Some teachers GO TO SCHOOL FOR 4 years to earn 30 k a year.
Police officers put their lives on the line for 30k a year.


Bullshit. Minimum wage jobs should be that. Minimum wage jobs. You want more money? Get a job that will pay you more OR get the tools to get you that job.

Seriously. HOW EASY would it be, if everyone just settled for minimum wage at $15/hr? Live in a world where people don't have to work hard. They can get by at McDonald's and live a decent living.

Fuc.ken crazy man.

[MJ(Mean John)]

You don't seem like you would be pleasant to be around.


Sorry man- if you lack common sense, I lack patience.
Other than that, it's all good my boy :crazysam:

[riseagainst]

if the jobs that require no skills, like working at McDonald's, have minimum wages of 15 an hour, then every other salary based or hourly based jobs will go up as well. If every job's salary goes up then those company's product prices will go up, which means all those things you buy at supermarkets and car dealerships will be going up. So, in other words, it makes no facking difference.

[alenleomessi]

thats more than what doctors/lawyers get in my country...

[Scholar]

Jesus Christ..... You do realise that anyone working in an American McD's has an easier life than 75% of people alive today right? And an easier life than 99.999999999% of people to have ever lived.

Oh, so people should simply stop striving for something better. Hey, while we're at it, f*ck it. Let's all stop working period because their are people in Africa who have shittier lives than us.

The fact of the matter is that it sucks that there are so many underprivileged people across the globe, but there lack of advantages shouldn't prevent people on our side of the pond from trying to have a better life.

With your train of thought, though, people of color living in terrible conditions in the ghetto should be okay with it because.. Well, shit, our ancestors were slaves or servants or underpaid railroad workers or whatever the f*ck else. Please gtfoh with that.

Edit: Stupid autocorrect changed "their" to "there." :facepalm

[Scholar]

I do have to agree with everyone saying that it's called minimum wage for a reason. Those jobs require no skills at all.

With that said, my point in my post earlier was just to say it's stupid to say that because a poor person in the US has it better than a poor person in Iraq, it should result in the US poor man being happy. That's difficult to do.
You feel compassion for the people living in shithole countries, but that doesn't mean your problems are acceptable in this country.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Workers at in n out make about $15/hour or more sometimes. And those people earn every cent of that. They are the only fast food franchise where its actually ran correctly and they get the most out of their workers. Those guys work way harder than the typical fast food workers.


I worked at a McDonalds in Los Angeles and I was basically the only white guy there, everyone else was Hispanic. I wasn't a lazy employee, but comparatively I was easily the "laziest" one there. I just kind of showed up and didn't take it that seriously, because I knew it was temporary (I had just gotten to town and wanted to grab the first job I could get while I looked for others) plus the fact I am a native English speaker gave me more options for other jobs. But most of the people I worked with had lived at some point in a much poorer country, so for one they did not take this McDonalds job in America for granted, and plus other than a fast food job there probably aren't too many other options for them here. They don't all necessarily have the skeelz to do something prestigious, such as sell shoes at Macy's.

But there were definitely times I dicked around on the job. Particularly on drive through. Because it's the same thing minute after minute, hour after hour you get very bored. One thing I loved to do was breakout a Borat-esque accent when they're at the menu board and say things that didn't even really make sense, like I'd be like "Thank you for the McDonalds would you like a fries with your order please?" And since people know you're just asking to take their order they don't really process all the words you're saying, they just give your order but if you sound like Apu they subconsciously notice and figure you're some immigrant. And then they'd drive around and see this white guy with the headset and I'd be like "Hello, how are you? That'll be $5.50 please!" And they'd be like :wtf:


Point is, it would have been sweet to make double what I was making back then to do that. Well, for me at least. Not for everyone else.


edit:
Funny thing about that experience too was that McDonalds was the only place I ever worked that made me take the earrings I used to have out when I worked. I've worked other jobs that made more money, and I've worked other minimum wage jobs, and Micky D's was the only one that ever beefed with my earrings. But that's ok. Because I stole a ben franklin from the register once. :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

i have a mcdonald's near me... Jameer is going to be rich :banana: :banana: :party:

[Immortal Bum]

it should be a rule that the more money a company makes, the more they have to pay their employees. eventually you get to a point a small few sit at the top collecting dough while everyone below is busting their ass, yet have the most difficult time seeing the profit in it.

i'm pretty sure it was on this forum that i talked about pay rate not exactly equaling work rate demand. employer expecting/demanding that the employee work at a certain pace, produce at a certain rate. starting from the top, someone gets on someone elses ass below them so they work harder, and it keeps going down the ladder, except at the minimum wage level (not all places, but many), you have managers working the hell out of workers, yet those same workers (even with full time + overtime) can't even support themselves on that paycheck unless they live in a really crappy low income area. that doesn't sound fair.

so if some mcdonalds worker who has to deal with a bunch of a-holes all day long gets paid $15 an hour and can better support themselves without gov't aid, but the dollar menu becomes the $3 menu, then i'm all for it. for one, you'd think with all the backlash against people being fat, these loud mouth ass folk would see that maybe if you made all this unhealthy food cost more and found a way to apply that to lowering the cost of the healthy food, then perhaps we'd solve A LOT of our economic and social issues at once, instead of just arguing about what to do and making people feel like shit because they live in a place where shit is promoted and shoved in their face everywhere you look.

[ZenMaster]

Isn't this the type of jobs that need to be better paid if the US is going to get it's middle class back? The service sector.

Wouldn't it be nice if the people who works there would put more effort into it because of the better pay and thus competition for the jobs, wouldn't that be better than a few top line CEO who you will never meet and never do anything for you get an extra 30 million dollars a year?

Wouldn't it be nice that if you ever got fired and in some kind of jam, that there would be a big number of easy half decent paid jobs available all over the country? Wouldn't it be nice if your daugther could get a decent paid job easily, she could then be more self supportive through school?

[OldSkoolball#52]

Isn't this the type of jobs that need to be better paid if the US is going to get it's middle class back? The service sector.

Wouldn't it be nice if the people who works there would put more effort into it because of the better pay and thus competition for the jobs, wouldn't that be better than a few top line CEO who you will never meet and never do anything for you get an extra 30 million dollars a year?



In theory yes.

And thats why the US is on the verge of an unskiled population problem. Manufactoring jobs are gone. Thats a huge chunk of job sector that unskilled workers had access to.

That means our huge unskilled population is all competing for a fewer amount of available jobs. When supply is up, cost goes down. Thats economic reality.

If you raise the min wage a lot of those jobs will simply be cut. Then even more people will be out of work.

This is why conservatives HARP on things like family values. Regardless of your religion, supportive families are far likelier to produce able children. Children who develop skills that keep up with changig economies. People running around having kids and disappearing, not paying child support etc is not a joke. That affects EVERYONE in the long run.

But libs are too soft, too cowardly to stand up to people who dont take responsibility. Instead they blame achievers, and create convoluted idealogies where people who do things the right way actually OWE things to those who dont.

[Crystallas]

Machines will take these people's jobs. Then they'll have nothing.

[Jameerthefear]

In theory yes.

And thats why the US is on the verge of an unskiled population problem. Manufactoring jobs are gone. Thats a huge chunk of job sector that unskilled workers had access to.

That means our huge unskilled population is all competing for a fewer amount of available jobs. When supply is up, cost goes down. Thats economic reality.

If you raise the min wage a lot of those jobs will simply be cut. Then even more people will be out of work.

This is why conservatives HARP on things like family values. Regardless of your religion, supportive families are far likelier to produce able children. Children who develop skills that keep up with changig economies. People running around having kids and disappearing, not paying child support etc is not a joke. That affects EVERYONE in the long run.

But libs are too soft, too cowardly to stand up to people who dont take responsibility. Instead they blame achievers, and create convoluted idealogies where people who do things the right way actually OWE things to those who dont.
my parents are more liberal then conservative and i turned out fine. you're making stuff up

[Jello]

my parents are more liberal then conservative and i turned out fine. you're making stuff up
I wouldn't say you turned out fine. Watching hentai all day for the whole summer is not fine.

[oh the horror]

I wouldn't say you turned out fine. Watching hentai all day for the whole summer is not fine.


He could be addicted to heroin.


I'd say he's alright.

[Jello]

He could be addicted to heroin.


I'd say he's alright.
:rolleyes:

[plowking]

I think the minimum a McDonald's worker gets here in Australia is $14 an hour. And that's for the junior workers. Basically, the 14 and 15 year olds. Once you're 16, you're already earning something around $17-18 an hour.

[Graviton]

I think the minimum a McDonald's worker gets here in Australia is $14 an hour. And that's for the junior workers. Basically, the 14 and 15 year olds. Once you're 16, you're already earning something around $17-18 an hour.
:wtf:

But everything in Australia is almost twice as expensive isn't it? Looking at the prices of video games, electronics and other products there gives me nightmares.

[Blue&Orange]

Some teachers GO TO SCHOOL FOR 4 years to earn 30 k a year.
Police officers put their lives on the line for 30k a year.

Yo retard, do the schools and the police stations those teaches and officers go to work, post a quarterly profit of $1.5 billions?


:roll:

[HarryCallahan]

As an archaeologist, I can tell you that this is not really true. They may have more access to things, but that is pretty far from a good life. Personal health, stress, happiness all play a role as well, and most people (outside of slaves and serfs, which are not that big of a proportion of the history of humanity) had much better quality of life in many ways.

Yes you're right of course. I was speaking of much shallower "better life" y'know x-boxes, tv, mac n cheese- that kind of stuff. The happiest people on earth are probably hunter gatherers in S. America, PNG etc.

[HarryCallahan]

Oh, so people should simply stop striving for something better. Hey, while we're at it, f*ck it. Let's all stop working period because their are people in Africa who have shittier lives than us.

The fact of the matter is that it sucks that there are so many underprivileged people across the globe, but there lack of advantages shouldn't prevent people on our side of the pond from trying to have a better life.

With your train of thought, though, people of color living in terrible conditions in the ghetto should be okay with it because.. Well, shit, our ancestors were slaves or servants or underpaid railroad workers or whatever the f*ck else. Please gtfoh with that.

Edit: Stupid autocorrect changed "their" to "there." :facepalm


That was a nice straw man you erected and tore to pieces.

I was making a point about the supposed plight of McDonalds workers, but hey what does that matter when you're on your period and want something to b!tch about?

[HarryCallahan]

Yo retard, do the schools and the police stations those teaches and officers go to work, post a quarterly profit of $1.5 billions?


:roll:

Neither do any McDonald's. If you wanna compare the larger corporation overall- I'd say that teachers and cops work for a much larger corporation, huh retard.

[Nick Young]

F*ck you for being upset about this. How would McDonalds paying them 15 dollars affect you at all? Would they make more than you, thus making you feel bad about yourself?

Those jobs suck shit and most don't offer benefits. People generally need enough money to live on and minimum wage isn't good enough. If they make shit money they could also get food stamps and shit like that, which you'd help pay for.
It's a shit job that everyone can do.

If the fast food restaurants are ballsy, they lay off all the strikers and replace them with people who actually want to work there. That's what I'd do.


A shit easy job like mcdonalds that anyone can do does not deserve $15 an hour wages:roll: :roll: :roll:


Do these retards realize that if minimum wage increases then the price of everything around them will increase accordingly and it will be like nothings changed and they'll just start moaning about their low minimum wages again?:facepalm

[Nick Young]

This, they will settle for $9-$11.

It is really bullshit though how a companies in fast food make so much money and pay the most important people, the customer representatives and cooks so little, those two employees are the most important part about the industry.

Also fast food is disgusting, there is 24/7 grocery stores that you can buy a lot more, a lot less, and a lot more healthy shit.
I've had so much experience with idiot fast food cooks and idiot customer reps, some who don't even speak english and give me the complete wrong order and it's just a headache to sort out.

In other words, if these were competent people, like in In n Out for example, no problem with them getting paid $9 an hour. The fact is MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THESE PLACES AREN'T EVEN COMPETENT AT BASIC THINGS LIKE GETTING AN ORDER RIGHT. Many can't even speak English, which should be a basic requirement in a customer service role in an English speaking country, but it isn't.




Atleast be competent at something before demanding a pay rise.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Yo retard, do the schools and the police stations those teaches and officers go to work, post a quarterly profit of $1.5 billions?


:roll:


That's irrelevant to my point. Calling me a regard? Funny kid.

My point is the principle of the matter. It's all about what you deserve to be earned for the value that you bring to the table. According to your logic, if a company is making no profit and is actually losing money, it's okay to pay their employees below minimum wage? Since they aren't making profit?

My whole issue with them striking is the fact that they feel they are entitled to $15 minimum wage for what? What's the reasoning? Nothing. I'm a believer that you should be paid your worth, value. You increase your value, what you bring to the table by training, education, Etc. if these fast food employees want a higher salary (obviously, $15 was a negotiating standpoint- thought it went without mentioning) why not work doing something else? Why not go to school, why not find another profession? Why should society have to raise their salary? There's a reason that there's a minimum wage- for a minimum requirement for skill, training, education for a job. The more skill, training, education, etc a job requires, the more you would be compensated for it in terms of a higher salary.
IF McDonald's employees are just gifted with a doubled salary, why not everyone else? What stops the medical assistant who went to get an education they paid for and are actually dealing with the health of patients who earns $15/hr to look at the mcdonalds employee and see that they should deserve double thier salary as well? and at that point, What stops everyone and everyone from asking and getting the same? The sympathy part?

BOTTOM LINE, in this world, we should be entitled to what we earn and deserve. We need to stop with giving everyone handouts because not only are people starting to become accustomed to them; they're expecting them. It's only encouraging people to settle, to not achieve and be contempt with someone always making life easier. Where does it stop?

What are we teaching the future of this country? Stop thinking so simply, my simpleton fellow ISHOOPERS.

[johndeeregreen]

Anyone this worried about what other people are making probably is unhappy with what he is getting paid himself.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Anyone this worried about what other people are making probably is unhappy with what he is getting paid himself.


Or has too much spare time and too few hobbies.

[HarryCallahan]

Anyone this worried about what other people are making probably is unhappy with what he is getting paid himself.

Anyone this worried about other people worrying about what other people make, is probably unhappy with the amount of sand in his vag!na...




edit: can't say pen!s or vag!na? smh. Real mature Jeffrey.

[longhornfan1234]

We should cut business taxes extensively... but in return make sure companies put some of that money saved into employee wages through business regulation. Then cut a large portion of welfare programs to balance the deficit. People will be more motivated to get jobs with fewer free handouts... and livable jobs will be more available.


Vote longhorn for president. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Akrazotile]

As an archaeologist, I can tell you that this is not really true. They may have more access to things, but that is pretty far from a good life. Personal health, stress, happiness all play a role as well, and most people (outside of slaves and serfs, which are not that big of a proportion of the history of humanity) had much better quality of life in many ways.


Forreal?


Most people throughout history was noblemen n junk???



Dang, I aint kno that shit.

[poido123]

Pay workers shit money and you will get shit employees.


McDonalds workers are pretty well payed here in Australia. The quality of staff is pretty good, speak english and at least have a brain. Although the staff tend to be young, they can be a bit slow under pressure.

[Bigsmoke]

What difference does it make? They could pay them 100k a year for all I care.

A Big Mac alone will cost like $10 if this happens

[iamgine]

F*ck you for being upset about this. How would McDonalds paying them 15 dollars affect you at all? Would they make more than you, thus making you feel bad about yourself?

Those jobs suck shit and most don't offer benefits. People generally need enough money to live on and minimum wage isn't good enough. If they make shit money they could also get food stamps and shit like that, which you'd help pay for.
Mcdonalds prices might rise.

[AintNoSunshine]

They're demanding $15/hr knowing they won't get that. Its a negotiation tactic.
Just because they can afford it doesnt they pay them for over their market value dumbie. Are you 8?

[NumberSix]

It's amazing how much people don't understand economics. The world is somehow full of idiots who seem to think the market should be based on force, not choice.

[kNIOKAS]

It's amazing how much people don't understand economics. The world is somehow full of idiots who seem to think the market should be based on force, not choice.
Just shut up, you're ruining air here.

[DonD13]

here, we don't have minimum wage but nobody has to work for only $15/h


A Big Mac alone will cost like $10 if this happens

nope and they make over $20/h here

[Dresta]

It's amazing how much people don't understand economics. The world is somehow full of idiots who seem to think the market should be based on force, not choice.Can't expect much else when so many teachers of economics don't understand economics either - University campuses are littered with these imbeciles. I mean, a demagogue like Krugman writes a main uni textbook, when the man is a proven fraud. The mighty Samuelson's old Principles of Economics textbook contained (right up until 1989), an admiration of the Soviet Union at its beginning, praising the latter as proof that a centrally planned economy could be well managed, and that the naysayers proven wrong by the experience of the USSR :oldlol: . This guy was the main teacher of the economists who are predominant today, who infect university campuses around the world. If the academics are so far from the correct path on this one, then God help the masses. Too many still think economics is a cohesive science and that everything useful makes its way into the 'economic mainstream' and so that's all they need to learn/know (again, this helps the lazy mediocrities).

This is all the fault of pedestrian intellectuals, looking for an easy solution for their desire to 'help' and 'improve' the world. People with no personal character and little intelligence always seek causes that make them feel part of something, so they can hide from their many personal inadequacies, and moralise incessantly.

It's incredible that these supposed bodies of learning have produced a country of morons who think free-market = conservative: i couldn't think of many estimations less accurate than that one. An unrestrained market must be intrinsically radical by nature, likely too radical, because it destroys and creates completely without sentiment.

A real conservative would be in favour significant state restraint being placed on the market, because for them, the market is far too radical.

Almost no one seems to understand this very basic and irrefutable point.

[kNIOKAS]

Can't expect much else when so many teachers of economics don't understand economics either - University campuses are littered with these imbeciles. I mean, a demagogue like Krugman writes a main uni textbook, when the man is a proven fraud. The mighty Samuelson's old Principles of Economics textbook contained (right up until 1989), an admiration of the Soviet Union at its beginning, praising the latter as proof that a centrally planned economy could be well managed, and that the naysayers proven wrong by the experience of the USSR :oldlol: . This guy was the main teacher of the economists who are predominant today, who infect university campuses around the world. If the academics are so far from the correct path on this one, then God help the masses. Too many still think economics is a cohesive science and that everything useful makes its way into the 'economic mainstream' and so that's all they need to learn/know (again, this helps the lazy mediocrities).

This is all the fault of pedestrian intellectuals, looking for an easy solution for their desire to 'help' and 'improve' the world. People with no personal character and little intelligence always seek causes that make them feel part of something, so they can hide from their many personal inadequacies, and moralise incessantly.

It's incredible that these supposed bodies of learning have produced a country of morons who think free-market = conservative: i couldn't think of many estimations less accurate than that one. An unrestrained market must be intrinsically radical by nature, likely too radical, because it destroys and creates completely without sentiment.

A real conservative would be in favour significant state restraint being placed on the market, because for them, the market is far too radical.

Almost no one seems to understand this very basic and irrefutable point.
Another one of your senile posts. Nice going.

[Dresta]

Another one of your senile posts. Nice going.
Another one of your completely worthless and tragically unfunny one-liners. Nice going chum! Care to refute it? No? Then shut your illiterate gob.

[NumberSix]

Another one of your senile posts. Nice going.
This sentence is in response to your post.

[DonD13]

Can't expect much else when so many teachers of economics don't understand economics either - University campuses are littered with these imbeciles. I mean, a demagogue like Krugman writes a main uni textbook, when the man is a proven fraud. The mighty Samuelson's old Principles of Economics textbook contained (right up until 1989), an admiration of the Soviet Union at its beginning, praising the latter as proof that a centrally planned economy could be well managed, and that the naysayers proven wrong by the experience of the USSR :oldlol: . This guy was the main teacher of the economists who are predominant today, who infect university campuses around the world. If the academics are so far from the correct path on this one, then God help the masses. Too many still think economics is a cohesive science and that everything useful makes its way into the 'economic mainstream' and so that's all they need to learn/know (again, this helps the lazy mediocrities).

This is all the fault of pedestrian intellectuals, looking for an easy solution for their desire to 'help' and 'improve' the world. People with no personal character and little intelligence always seek causes that make them feel part of something, so they can hide from their many personal inadequacies, and moralise incessantly.

It's incredible that these supposed bodies of learning have produced a country of morons who think free-market = conservative: i couldn't think of many estimations less accurate than that one. An unrestrained market must be intrinsically radical by nature, likely too radical, because it destroys and creates completely without sentiment.

A real conservative would be in favour significant state restraint being placed on the market, because for them, the market is far too radical.

Almost no one seems to understand this very basic and irrefutable point.

so i read this post for once

all i got is that you're smart and everybody else is stupid. :applause:

the basic and irrefutable point that no one understands is that a real conservative could be for restraints??

[Dresta]

so i read this post for once

all i got is that you're smart and everybody else is stupid. :applause:

the basic and irrefutable point that no one understands is that a real conservative could be for restraints??
I never said anything about myself, thanks. There are many, many other people despairing at the quality of academics and the terrible standards of almost all higher education. Pointing out these things has nothing to do with my intelligence, they are just things that people are oblivious of, but which they need to know if anything is ever going to change.

The irrefutable point is that the market is fluid and dynamic, and therefore its effect on society and societal mores is far more radical than any actual conservative would want (more than any liberal too). Conflating conservatism with laissez-faire capitalism is a gross misrepresentation of both ideologies, a crude and completely inaccurate simplification, basically so a certain group can lump all their enemies in together, trivialise and belittle their arguments.

[NumberSix]

so i read this post for once

all i got is that you're smart and everybody else is stupid. :applause:

the basic and irrefutable point that no one understands is that a real conservative could be for restraints??
The word "conservative" is so utterly useless. All it means is people who want to keep things the same. Sure, it can be useful in specific scenarios like "I'm conservative on marijuana laws" but who is generally conservative? Most people want to swing most things in one direction or another.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I wonder how many of you corporate shills realize that the minimum wage back in 1968 was worth the equivalent of $10.5/hr.

It is a fact that wages have not kept up with inflation, while corporate profits are at an all-time high. It's a race to the bottom, with companies like McDonald's supplying us the running shoes.

[ThePhantomCreep]

A Big Mac alone will cost like $10 if this happens

Australia has their minimum wage at $15/hr. A Big Mac costs nowhere near $10. That's just a bullshit horror story.

Wages account for 25-27% of a companies overhead. If the federal minimum wage were raised to $10, Micky D's could cover the cost by raising the price of a Big Mac by THREE CENTS.

[Dresta]

I wonder how many of you corporate shills realize that the minimum wage back in 1968 was worth the equivalent of $10.5/hr.

It is a fact that wages have not kept up with inflation, while corporate profits are at an all-time. It's a race to the bottom, with companies like McDonald's supplying us the running shoes.
:rolleyes:

Could you be more of a cliche?

[NumberSix]

I wonder how many of you corporate shills realize that the minimum wage back in 1968 was worth the equivalent of $10.5/hr.

It is a fact that wages have not kept up with inflation, while corporate profits are at an all-time. It's a race to the bottom, with companies like McDonald's supplying us the running shoes.
Corporate shills? Lol. People like you are oblivious that YOU are the corporate shills.

All "regulation" is in most situations is 1 corporation paying politicians off to make rules in their favour to give them an advantage over their competition.

Wages are the way they are exactly because current rules have rigged the rules in corporations favour. THIS is exactly why government needs to be small. Government has too much power to sway things. Corporations will obviously act in their own interest and use whatever influence they can to partner up with the people who have the power to make the rules.

Either you have to make it so people don't have the power to regulate or that corporations don't have the ability to influence regulators.

Option A) government stays completely out of the market. Limits it's role to enforcing contract law.

Option B) make it illegal for politicians/regulators to accept money aka public ally financed campaigns.

[wakencdukest]

What ever happened to starting at the bottom and working your way up? Mcdonalds hires 16 year old kids and foreigners who barely speak English. You need absolutely no experience to get hired there. If you work your way up to supervisor or manager, you get more money. What's so hard to understand about that?

[Akrazotile]

I wonder how many of you corporate shills realize that the minimum wage back in 1968 was worth the equivalent of $10.5/hr.

It is a fact that wages have not kept up with inflation, while corporate profits are at an all-time high. It's a race to the bottom, with companies like McDonald's supplying us the running shoes.


Maybe this is a result of a saturated labor market combined with a globalized consumer base. Jobs like anything else are based on supply and demand. When you have 30 million immigrants show up whose English skills qualify them only to work at a mcdonalds (at best) it tends to drive wages down bc theres more competition for those jobs.

Why are you so worried about what other people are makin anyway? Dont you have any shit of your own to worry bout?

[outbreak]

I understand it's hard for people living on minimum wage and a lot of the times it is not as simple as just telling them it's their fault for a lack of education, but at the same time it isn't as simple as just raising their wages as that has a knock on effect through out everyones wages.

[ElPigto]

Yall all suck

[JtotheIzzo]

I agree McDonalds cant possibly afford to pay people more than minimum wage.

oh wait..



Im just messing with ya lol

The corporation wouldn't pay they would leave that burden to the franchisee, and thus a kick in the nuts to small business.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Maybe this is a result of a saturated labor market combined with a globalized consumer base. Jobs like anything else are based on supply and demand. When you have 30 million immigrants show up whose English skills qualify them only to work at a mcdonalds (at best) it tends to drive wages down bc theres more competition for those jobs.

Why are you so worried about what other people are makin anyway? Dont you have any shit of your own to worry bout?

Wages are down across the board. It isn't just minimum wage workers.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/08/sdt-2012-08-22-Middle-Class-01-11.png
Are you going to blame that on Mexican immigrants too? :facepalm This is the stuff third world economies are made of.

You and the other Kochbots might be OK with that, but not me.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I don't really care.

But as for me, if I worked a job that I thought didn't pay enough, I would go find another job. :confusedshrug:

But in America it's socially acceptable and usually encouraged to whine and complain and blame all your problems on other people instead of taking some responsibility and bettering your self and your life.

You don't like working fo minimum wage at McDonalds? -find a new job or go back to school.
-Naw, just demand that your employer pay you more and go on strike until they do. :wtf:

And if I was the employer I would just let all those people go and hire new people, they are easily replaceable

[Dresta]

Wages are down across the board. It isn't just minimum wage workers.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/08/sdt-2012-08-22-Middle-Class-01-11.png
Are you going to blame that on Mexican immigrants too? :facepalm This is the stuff third world economies are made of.

You and the other Kochbots might be OK with that, but not me.
Of course real wages are down! We have a weak economy with ever-dwindling productive capacity, and record trade deficits, which we're attempting to mask by printing money and making more cheap credit available. Again, this makes the economy look stronger on a superficial level (grows the GDP stat, increases consumption etc.) but it doesn't lead to a rise in real wages, rather the opposite.

Blame the elitist policies of the FED, Obama and Wall St. (who are all in this together, sink or swim, however much you want to deny it) - the entirety of this 'recovery' has been created through these relationships, so obviously it doesn't benefit your average man, but it looks good, on a graph, which is as much as 90% of the population can understand, even as they're being robbed blind. But that's why you don't give politicians such absolute, far-reaching, and unaccountable powers in the first place.

edit: and then, even despite the vast wastage of the Federal government, its ubiquitous meddling in economic affairs, Americans have still been getting wealthier over the past 50 years. Here's some 'evidence':

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?width=630&height=378&range=Max&id=COMPRNFB

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/S7il8Y8DM8I/AAAAAAAANJY/KXM_rWSlAf4/s1600/food.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SLWCRVSqwHI/AAAAAAAAFgs/aEXmkxBOraU/s1600/income1.bmp

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SxHs-gJRDiI/AAAAAAAAMAw/eiCl3rc9toc/s1600/household2.jpg

People have, historically, a better standard of living the last ten years or so than they have ever had before, and by my estimation, better than it will be for a long time to come. And this is even despite the masses of government created inflation and incredible wastage of Federal administrative centralisation.

[NumberSix]

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/08/sdt-2012-08-22-Middle-Class-01-11.png


Lol @ "income per household". :roll:

If ever there was a meaningless, biased stat strictly used for the purpose of deception. :hammerhead:

Why in the world would you compare "income per household" across eras where in one era the average "household" had 2 or 3 working adults, in the next era the average household has 1 working adult. :confusedshrug:

Yes, chances are that a household with 3 working adults will be pulling in more money than a household with 1 working adult.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lol @ "income per household". :roll:

If ever there was a meaningless, biased stat strictly used for the purpose of deception. :hammerhead:

Why in the world would you compare "income per household" across eras where in one era the average "household" had 2 or 3 working adults, in the next era the average household has 1 working adult. :confusedshrug:

Yes, chances are that a household with 3 working adults will be pulling in more money than a household with 1 working adult

Because the era with the 2-3 working middle class adults (this one) has seen their share of the economic pie shrink, compared to the era where daddy alone brought home the bacon. You're making my point for me.

Labor force (1970): 60%
Labor force (2000): 67%
Labor force (2015): 63%

The graph should be working in reverse, instead, it's upper income folks that have seen their wealth grow exponentially, while the middle class (the crucial tier in this consumer driven economy) has theirs decline. But that's okay I guess--the Koch Brothers create jobs or something. Let's kill unions in their honor.


People have, historically, a better standard of living the last ten years or so than they have ever had before, and by my estimation, better than it will be for a long time to come. And this is even despite the masses of government created inflation and incredible wastage of Federal administrative centralisation.

This argument :facepalm.

Yes, let's celebrate shit wages because "hey, at least we all have indoor plumbing now!" :no:

Btw, your graph doesn't show areas where prices have shot through the roof, namely housing costs, healthcare and education. Overall purchasing power has noticeably declined since the 80's.

[NumberSix]

Because the era with the 2-3 working middle class adults (this one) has seen their share of the economic pie shrink, compared to the era where daddy alone brought home the bacon. You're making my point for me.
Wait....

You think THIS era is the one with more workin adults per average household?


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dresta]

This argument :facepalm.

Yes, let's celebrate shit wages because "hey, at least we all have indoor plumbing now!" :no:

Btw, your graph doesn't show areas where prices have shot through the roof, namely housing costs, healthcare and education. Overall purchasing power has noticeably declined since the 80's.
Look, here the idiot who thinks whining about 'shit wages' is an objective argument is facepalming someone other than himself :facepalm . The same idiot who also considers it irrelevant that he fills his flat/whatever with loads of luxuries that not even the reasonably wealthy of years gone by could afford. Yes, that is of no relevance at all :rolleyes:. Jesus, cretins like you actually think progress and upward improvements in the standard of living are inevitable, and not completely dependent on the vast accumulations of wealth in the past. Just no understanding whatsoever, of just about anything.


Housing costs have shot through the roof because the government has been subsidising the housing market, and providing cheap credit for mortgage loans for decades. They have created a similar bubble in the higher education sector, as has most of the Westernised world, and many subsidised loaning systems are on the verge of bankruptcy as a result. You literally bring up things that refute your own facile argument.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Wait....

You think THIS era is the one with more workin adults per average household?


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Compared to the 50's and 60's, yes. Clearly. You are aware that women only began flooding the labor force in the 70's, yes?

LFPR in the golden 50's was 58-59%.


The same idiot who also considers it irrelevant that he fills his flat/whatever with loads of luxuries that not even the reasonably wealthy of years gone by could afford.It's completely irrelevant, dumbshit. The average wealthy person 150 years ago lived in the conditions that would be considered unsanitary in 2015, so what? That doesn't make the poor in this country any less poor. Might as well argue that blacks in the Jim Crow era had it great because "at least they weren't slaves".

Conservatives tend the set the bar extremely low, and you're a shining example of that.

[MavsSuperFan]

man i dont understand how people live on $30,000 a year.

[The Iron Sheik]

man i dont understand how people live on $30,000 a year.

lol lots of people make half of that (that's about federal minimum wage). it's ridiculous. i make over $30,000 now and even though it's just me and i'm a pretty frugal person, i find myself still having to save and scrounge as much as i can. i can't imagine someone with kids living on less than i make.

[Dresta]

It's completely irrelevant, dumbshit. The average wealthy person 150 years ago lived in the conditions that would be considered unsanitary in 2015, so what? That doesn't make the poor in this country any less poor. Might as well argue that blacks in the Jim Crow era had it great because "at least they weren't slaves".

Conservatives tend the set the bar extremely low, and you're a shining example of that.
Yes it does: that's exactly what it means. It also shows how social justice warriors always move the goalposts when it comes to poverty, so that their cause can never die! With each generation the definition of being poor changes, so that social justice warriors can march for even more intervention on their behalf, despite it never having worked, and only creating millions of dependents and a tanking economy.

But if we take an objective standard and measure of poverty, one that doesn't develop and mutate and add clauses over time, we can see that poverty has been much reduced, and the vast majority have more stuff, and live far more privileged lives than the average man of 50 years ago. Again: the very definition of the 'progress' your type so lovingly harp on about, but so often deny when it is actually achieved, because it is not really the progress they are after, but the cause, the march, the self-importance of it all.

But yes, a little bit of historical perspective shows that the poor are a lot better off than many claim, and almost certainly living in much better conditions than what would have been called 'poverty' 100 years ago. That is the very definition of progress, but if you need to whitewash all this so you have a juvenile cause to fight for ('poverty' at home rather than actual poverty). If you think poverty needs to be redefined every generation then you will always have poverty, so perhaps you should quit whining about it. There will always be differences of degrees among men, and there will always be something which separates the wheat from the chaff, be it money or other forms of prestige. No amount of envious hatred of the rich on your part is going to change that fact, or make you any less mediocre yourself.

And no, i don't set the bar low: it has already been dragged to the floor by the last half-dozen or so Presidential administrations. I want to lift it much higher, to wash away completely the mediocrity that is today the goal, aim and rule of all things: 'mediocre and comfortable' could be the motto of the age. A world driven by the infantile dichotomy of pleasure and pain, in which suffering is an unbearable sight that must be rectified by... you! How convenient that you can solve the suffering of these people! How philanthropic of you!

:rolleyes:



Btw, your graph doesn't show areas where prices have shot through the roof, namely housing costs, healthcare and education. Overall purchasing power has noticeably declined since the 80's.You ignored my pointing out how stupid this argument is considering healthcare, education, and housing, are three sectors of the economy with near-ubiquitous government involvement and interference. That is the largest reason why they are all so expensive, you ignorant dipshit.

[Blue&Orange]

Jesus Christ..... You do realise that anyone working in an American McD's has an easier life than 75% of people alive today right? And an easier life than 99.999999999% of people to have ever lived.
Who gives a shit what education they have or how easy their job is, they are part of a incredibly successful corporation that have huge profits, capitalism 1 on 1. Or are you suggesting capitalism should only work on favor of few selected ones? How hard is the life of McDonalds CEO? wtf does he even do outside collecting the paycheck?

Apparently not much


"McDonald's has been losing market share in the US and performance at its restaurants has been on the decline for most of Thompson's tenure."

But he is still collecting a $10 million paycheck

[NumberSix]

Who gives a shit what education they have or how easy their job is, they are part of a incredibly successful corporation that have huge profits, capitalism 1 on 1. Or are you suggesting capitalism should only work on favor of few selected ones? How hard is the life of McDonalds CEO? wtf does he even do outside collecting the paycheck?

Apparently not much



But he is still collecting a $10 million paycheck
There is no "capitalism". It doesn't exist. It's a strawman.