Who is the best Serial killer and why.

[COnDEMnED]

October is soon upon us, Halloween is just around the corner. In celebration of one of my favorite holidays, I've started to watch some scary movies. In my search on Netflix, I've found and watched a few documentaries on some of Americans most notable serial killers.

Who do you have as the top serial killer of all time and why.
Here is a list of who I've just recently brushed up on

Jeffrey Dahmer
John Gasey
Gary Ridgway
Ted Bundy
Ed Gein
Aileen Wuornos

Out of that list, I suspect The Green River Killer, AKA Gary Ridgway, is the frontrunner (although I suppose everyone on the list has a valid argument). I choose Gary as my number one pick because of the sheer amount of people hes killed is simply hard to believe. I also give brownie points that this dude was so hard to catch, they had to recruit Ted Bundy from behind prison bars to help capture him, to give insight into the mind and mannerisms of a psychotic serial killer.

Who, in your opinion, is the best serial killer in American history
(feel free to add someone new to the list)

[Scholar]

General Mills because they put holes in Cheerios.

[miller-time]

Ted Bundy was pretty much Dexter without the anti-hero and martial arts aspect.


Bundy was an unusually organized and calculating criminal who used his extensive knowledge of law enforcement methodologies to elude identification and capture for years.[266] His crime scenes were distributed over large geographic areas; his victim count had risen to at least 20 before it became clear that numerous investigators in widely disparate jurisdictions were hunting the same man.[267] His assault methods of choice were blunt trauma and strangulation, two relatively silent techniques that could be accomplished with common household items.[268] He deliberately avoided firearms due to the noise they made and the ballistic evidence they left behind.[269] He was a "meticulous researcher" who explored his surroundings in minute detail, looking for safe sites to seize and dispose of victims.[270] He was unusually skilled at minimizing physical evidence.[62] His fingerprints were never found at a crime scene, nor was any other incontrovertible evidence of his guilt, a fact he repeated often during the years in which he attempted to maintain his innocence.[271]

Other significant obstacles for law enforcement were Bundy's generic, essentially anonymous physical features,[272] and a curious chameleon-like ability to change his appearance almost at will.[273] Early on, police complained of the futility of showing his photograph to witnesses; he looked different in virtually every photo ever taken of him.[274] In person, "... his expression would so change his whole appearance that there were moments that you weren't even sure you were looking at the same person," said Stewart Hanson, Jr., the judge in the DaRonch trial. "He [was] really a changeling."[275] Bundy was well aware of this unusual quality and he exploited it, using subtle modifications of facial hair or hairstyle to significantly alter his appearance as necessary.[276] He concealed his one distinctive identifying mark, a dark mole on his neck, with turtleneck shirts and sweaters.[277] Even his Volkswagen Beetle proved difficult to pin down; its color was variously described by witnesses as metallic or non-metallic, tan or bronze, light brown or dark brown.[278]

I think the difference with Ridgeway was that he was taking women that were easy like prostitutes and dumping them in an expansive but localized area. Bundy had higher risk targets which means he had to be far more careful.

You should watch the A&E documentaries on these guys, they are better than the movies.

Bundy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9OeTWbaqM
Richard Ramirez - www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAYjx59H5I

[DonDadda59]

The Zodiac. Everyone on that list was caught, he never was. He toyed with the authorities and dared them to stop him, they couldn't.

[COnDEMnED]

Ted Bundy was pretty much Dexter without the anti-hero and martial arts aspect.



I think the difference with Ridgeway was that he was taking women that were easy like prostitutes and dumping them in an expansive but localized area. Bundy had higher risk targets which means he had to be far more careful.

You should watch the A&E documentaries on these guys, they are better than the movies.

Bundy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9OeTWbaqM
Richard Ramirez - www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAYjx59H5I
That's a very good point, I think I might have just found a flaw in my ranking. Many of these guys and gals didn't target the same type of victim, nor did all of them have some sort of sexual perversion towards their victims, many of them did, but Ed Gein, as far as I know, didn't? Ed is responsible for the inspiration of such iconic movies like Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and the character Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs.

Also not all characters were gay, child molesters, cannibals or body mutilators.. how does one judge between say John Wayne Gasey who was a gay child molester, who killed and sexually molested the corpse of 30+ children ranging from the ages of 13 to early 20's to someone like Ed Gein, who only probably killed 2 or 3 people, but dug up the bodies of dozens of freshly deceased older women who reminded him of his deceased mother, then took their skin and female sex organs and made dresses, face masks made up of skin, lamp shades, a belt buckle made up entirely of female nipples.... I don't know if he ate human flesh.. but how does one compare such enormous differences in psychotic style?

[COnDEMnED]

The Zodiac. Everyone on that list was caught, he never was. He toyed with the authorities and dared them to stop him, they couldn't.
Oh man, im adding this one to my list. I completely forgot all about this one. Hope they have some stuff I can watch on Netflix.

[miller-time]

Oh man, im adding this one to my list. I completely forgot all about this one. Hope they have some stuff I can watch on Netflix.

There is a Zodiac film with RDJ and Jake Gyllenhaal which is pretty good.

[Horde of Temujin]

None, they are all losers in life and no need to flatter them in any form.

[CelticBaller]

Zodiac, creepy to think that this guy got away with all the elaborate killing and hints he gave to the cops. He could be your next door neighbor planning another killing spree.

[Horde of Temujin]

If Dexter was a real person I would nominate him because he kills douchebags.

Out of the ones you listed, Aikeen Wournos seems the "least bad" because she killed perverted Johns, if im not mistaken.

[2013 Lakers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

I know you want American ones only, but damn, I didn't know that Colombia had three of the most prolific serial killers ever.

Luis Garavito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito) (172–400+ possible victims)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Luis_Garavito.jpg/220px-Luis_Garavito.jpg

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_%28serial_killer%29"]Pedro L

[miller-time]

but how does one compare such enormous differences in psychotic style?

I don't think their individual proclivities are that important. Just the risk and difficulty vs success. Most of Ed Gein's crimes were pretty low risk because he was digging up corpses and working inside his home for the most part. Killers like Bundy were capable of hiding in plain sight and the Zodiac was even taunting the police.

[Jameerthefear]

Didn't know we ranked serial killers, but this is ISH. I'd put Zodiac as #1.

[miller-time]

[QUOTE=2013 Lakers][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_%28serial_killer%29"]Pedro L

[CelticBaller]

Pedro Lopez is also still alive and free :facepalm

[2013 Lakers]

Pedro Lopez is also still alive and free :facepalm

Yep. Pretty unsettling.

and apparently Luis Garavito might finish his 22 year sentence and be released soon.

[COnDEMnED]

If Dexter was a real person I would nominate him because he kills douchebags.

Out of the ones you listed, Aikeen Wournos seems the "least bad" because she killed perverted Johns, if im not mistaken.
She was a full time hitchhiking prostitute, the very first American female serial killer (I believe). She also happen to be lesbian. She pretty much lived out in the forest. From the documentary I saw earlier today, she confesses to killing all of those men in cold blood because they had the right amount of money she needed, or a vehicle she wanted. Her defense in court was that she was protecting herself from rape. She believed up until the day she died, the police knew who she was after her first murder and purposely didn't capture her because "they" wanted her to become a serial killer, someone who they could make tons of money off of in book and movie deals. She decided she would rather plead guilty and die by lethal injection than divulge the details of how she killed all those men. She really didn't want the police department to make any money off of her story, so she kept all the details with her to the grave.

[Horde of Temujin]

Pedro Lopez is also still alive and free :facepalm


How the **** is that possible?
How does a monster like that who raped and killed little girls allowed to be free.

I shouldnt be surprised this country allows all kinds of pedophiles to walk free.

[COnDEMnED]

[QUOTE=2013 Lakers]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

I know you want American ones only, but damn, I didn't know that Colombia had three of the most prolific serial killers ever.

Luis Garavito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito) (172

[Horde of Temujin]

She was a full time hitchhiking prostitute, the very first American female serial killer (I believe). She also happen to be lesbian. She pretty much lived out in the forest. From the documentary I saw earlier today, she confesses to killing all of those men in cold blood because they had the right amount of money she needed, or a vehicle she wanted. Her defense in court was that she was protecting herself from rape. She believed up until the day she died, the police knew who she was after her first murder and purposely didn't capture her because "they" wanted her to become a serial killer, someone who they could make tons of money off of in book and movie deals. She decided she would rather plead guilty and die by lethal injection than divulge the details of how she killed all those men. She really didn't want the police department to make any money off of her story, so she kept all the details with her to the grave.

I guess you can say at least she didnt do it for the fame.

[COnDEMnED]

I guess you can say at least she didnt do it for the fame.
If I could explain the look in her eyes to you, I would say they resemble those of a shark, pitch black. This woman gave me shivers when she looked into the camera lens, and I knew she'd been dead for several years. :eek:

If you have Netflix or maybe you can find it on youtube, give it a watch, it's fascinating.

Its called Aileen: life and death of a serial killer

[eriX]

i just happened to be reading up on the Zodiac a few days and man, can anyone toy with authority so much and never get caught? Not only that, he probably killed more people than recorded as a few kills were not credited to him. The fact that he probably sent his real identify in those glyph or whatever and it's been in plain sight for over like 40 years is ridiculous

[IamRAMBO24]

I know a lot of people have never heard of him, but I think Charles Ng (with Leonard Lake) takes the cake as the most vicious serial killer. He didn't just kill one specific race or sex, he tortured and murdered entire families and even close friends as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IttNjW9qIGE

After that, you should watch the torture tapes. It'll give you nightmares for weeks.

[Bless Mathews]

Ted Bundy and Gary ridgeway both from the 2-oh...

[COnDEMnED]

I know a lot of people have never heard of him, but I think Charles Ng (with Leonard Lake) takes the cake as the most vicious serial killer. He didn't just kill one specific race or sex, he tortured and murdered entire families and even close friends as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IttNjW9qIGE

After that, you should watch the torture tapes. It'll give you nightmares for weeks.
Thanks for the link, im definitely going to sit down and watch this documentary. Always interested in some of the more unknowns.

[BoogieWoogieMan]

If I could explain the look in her eyes to you, I would say they resemble those of a shark, pitch black. This woman gave me shivers when she looked into the camera lens, and I knew she'd been dead for several years. :eek:


You mean this pretty thing?

http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/reviews/caps/aileen-wuornos-selling-of-a-serial-killer-20090515151458_625x352.jpg

[IamRAMBO24]

Thanks for the link, im definitely going to sit down and watch this documentary. Always interested in some of the more unknowns.

After you see that, you should watch some of the torture videos to get a good idea how f*cked up things were.

[COnDEMnED]

You mean this pretty thing?

http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/reviews/caps/aileen-wuornos-selling-of-a-serial-killer-20090515151458_625x352.jpg
Yeah, and that's her face when she's happy. In one of the clips she's being interviewed behind bars, and she gets set off on a random question then replies with, "Stop delaying my ****ing execution, you sons of bitches! You don't know who you're ****ing with, you want bloodshed? Sign my ****ing execution or Aileen will ****ing kill" It went something like that, totally unprovoked, unexpected, it blew me away and sent a shiver down my spine. I hope I can find the clip on youtube, its worth the time to dig it up to show you guys. Pure psychotic episode...

Holy shit I found it first try. Jump to around 5:22 and look at that those crazy eyes as she rants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNRpefZzWQ

[BoogieWoogieMan]

Holy shit I found it first try. Jump to around 5:22 and look at that those crazy eyes as she rants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNRpefZzWQ

Hot damn, man. I'm watching the documentary right now.

[COnDEMnED]

Hot damn, man. I'm watching the documentary right now.
You starting from the very beginning on part 1? I watched it earlier today, it's about an hour and a half all together.

[Rasheed1]

None, they are all losers in life and no need to flatter them in any form.


this.. no need to flatter these f*ckin losers.. they dont deserve it

[BoogieWoogieMan]

You starting from the very beginning on part 1? I watched it earlier today, it's about an hour and a half all together.

Found one with the full video. A bunch of other ones are on the side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trty0OObpK8

[COnDEMnED]

this.. no need to flatter these f*ckin losers.. they dont deserve it
Not to get into too many details, but unless you absolutely avoid or have never watched or read any type of horror/slasher/scary movies, books ect ect, you are a hypocrite. Where do you think the inspiration for those types of movies come from? Ever watched a movie about Jack the Ripper? Ever seen Silence of the Lambs? Ever seen Psycho? Ever seen IT the clown? Ever seen Texas chainsaw massacre? You feed these egos with your wallet in movie tickets, rentals, and DVD/book purchases.

Unless you are the purest dude on the face of the earth who has never seen a horror flick, you can't say you don't flatter these people...right? Logically?

[ItsMillerTime]

Have to go with Pedro Lopez. ~300 victims and he was released from prison a couple years ago thanks to his country's anti-death penalty laws

[Electric Slide]

The Fat Guy Strangler.

[HarryCallahan]

David Parker Ray: Torture murderer, amount of victims unknown.

Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV8EPMeu1X8

Westley Dodd: Not so much the worst, but ne of the most evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHXS7GToJ-Y

Tommy Lynn Sells: Killed for the rush

Anatoly Onoprienko: Ukrainian serial killer/spree killer/mass murderer (a rare trifecta). He died last week.

[deja vu]

Pedro Lopez is also still alive and free :facepalm
That's enough to make him the GOAT serial killer. Killed hundreds and not in prison? :bowdown:

[TheReturn]

You mean this pretty thing?

http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/reviews/caps/aileen-wuornos-selling-of-a-serial-killer-20090515151458_625x352.jpgWould smash

[COnDEMnED]

Would smash
With a hammer right? LOL

[monkeypox]

Albert Fish. Not well known but the story is pretty chilling. Molested over 400 kids, eventually progressed to torture, rape, murder and cannibalism. Would then write letters to his victims parents telling them exactly what he had done to their kids. They xrayed his pelvis and found hundreds of sewing needles that he had pushed into his taint because he enjoyed the pain so much. Super messed up. : http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/albertfish.htm

A more detailed account: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/fish/index.html

Also histories first official serial killer Joseph Vacher. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Vacher His investigation basically lead to the first CSI case in history. There's a book on the case called The Killer of Little Shepherds which is a very interesting read if you're into the investigative side at all. Being a vagabond Vacher was very mobile in a time when law enforcement was not, so they had to adapt to catch him.

[Rasheed1]

Not to get into too many details, but unless you absolutely avoid or have never watched or read any type of horror/slasher/scary movies, books ect ect, you are a hypocrite.

:cheers: thats right... I dont watch slasher movies and im not obsessed with horror flicks or senseless murder.. There is no value in it imo

So Im not a hypocrite...

[HarryCallahan]

Albert Fish also used to cram his anus full of cotton and light it....

[Lakers Legend#32]

Manson
"It's hard to beat the king."--Woody Harrelson in Natural Born Killers

[HarryCallahan]

Manson
"It's hard to beat the king."--Woody Harrelson in Natural Born Killers

:facepalm

Manson never killed anyone buddy....

[IamRAMBO24]

:facepalm

Manson never killed anyone buddy....

He did worst. :facepalm

[HarryCallahan]

He did worst. :facepalm

Thread is "Who is the best Serial killer and why." Not "Who is the worst person to incite others to murder," even if it was there'd be about 1000+ more deserving of being mentioned.

[Patrick Chewing]

The Iceman

[Lebron23]

Zodiac Killer and Jack the Ripper

[HarryCallahan]

The Iceman

Did you see "The Iceman and the Psychiatrist" interesting doco.

[Patrick Chewing]

Did you see "The Iceman and the Psychiatrist" interesting doco.


Yeah. Interesting to see him admit he was an animal and he couldn't understand why he felt what he felt.

[monkeypox]

He did worst. :facepalm

Not really. He was a drug dealer with a cult, which he used as enforcers for his drug operation. Sure he was nutty, but it was all for a material purpose. All the victims were in some way connected to his drug business and it was all retribution. There was no point in dredging up the shady histories of the victims, but the truth was that all of them ran in the same Hollywood underworld where Manson traveled. Both Polanski and LaBianca were said to be in to some messed up stuff, which is what brought them into the world of Manson. Polanski later would flee the country after drugging and raping a 14 year old girl at Jack Nicholsons house.

[miller-time]

Yeah. Interesting to see him admit he was an animal and he couldn't understand why he felt what he felt.

I watched a clip on him the other day, and if you can take what he says at face value it seems that he makes a conscious effort to disconnect his actions from his emotions. Whether or not those emotions were simmering somewhere deep under the surface I don't know, but there seemed to be more than just a lack of empathy going on.

[dude77]

If Dexter was a real person I would nominate him because he kills douchebags.

Out of the ones you listed, Aikeen Wournos seems the "least bad" because she killed perverted Johns, if im not mistaken.

lol so if your brother had gone out to seek the services of a prostitute and she shot and killed him .. you would think that he probably had it coming ? not a big loss ? :facepalm:


the 'best' has to be the zodiac .. never caught .. that's impressive

[IamRAMBO24]

Not really. He was a drug dealer with a cult, which he used as enforcers for his drug operation. Sure he was nutty, but it was all for a material purpose. All the victims were in some way connected to his drug business and it was all retribution. There was no point in dredging up the shady histories of the victims, but the truth was that all of them ran in the same Hollywood underworld where Manson traveled. Both Polanski and LaBianca were said to be in to some messed up stuff, which is what brought them into the world of Manson. Polanski later would flee the country after drugging and raping a 14 year old girl at Jack Nicholsons house.

It is one thing to murder someone, but it is quite a new level to psychologically brainwashed someone else to do it.

Manson didn't just commit murder by himself, he actually got a bunch of people to do it for him.

Here is an analogy: you want to kill someone, but instead of killing that person yourself and taking on the responsibility, you get your friend or wife to do it for you, thus bringing them to your cynical level. Now you got multiple people to be as f*cked up as you.

Surely that is worst than just doing the deed yourself. Am I correct in this?

[joe]

Man this thread is creepy, it's amazing that some people get to this level of insanity. Ted Bundy freaks me out the most for some reason.


It is one thing to murder someone, but it is quite a new level to psychologically brainwashed someone else to do it.

Manson didn't just commit murder by himself, he actually got a bunch of people to do it for him.

Here is an analogy: you want to kill someone, but instead of killing that person yourself and taking on the responsibility, you get your friend or wife to do it for you, thus bringing them to your cynical level. Now you got multiple people to be as f*cked up as you.

Surely that is worst than just doing the deed yourself. Am I correct in this?

I'm still waiting for my psychological profile in that other thread BRO. I really want to know why it matters what color I think a horse is.

[IamRAMBO24]

Another example, Hitler. Hitler never really got his hands dirty, but he did brainwashed a whole nation to commit sins worst than anything he could do himself.

Sorry I don't believe the act of murder equates to a person taking the throne as best killer of all time. I think the person bringing up Manson has a legitimate point, and of course, I'm also facepalming HarryCallahan for saying he's not relevant because he didn't commit the act himself.

I think what he did is just as evil (if not more so) than the act itself.

[IamRAMBO24]

Man this thread is creepy, it's amazing that some people get to this level of insanity. Ted Bundy freaks me out the most for some reason.



I'm still waiting for my psychological profile in that other thread BRO. I really want to know why it matters what color I think a horse is.

Hey thanks for reminding me, I totally forgot about that thread.

[HarryCallahan]

Another example, Hitler. Hitler never really got his hands dirty, but he did brainwashed a whole nation to commit sins worst than anything he could do himself.

Sorry I don't believe the act of murder equates to a person taking the throne as best killer of all time. I think the person bringing up Manson has a legitimate point, and of course, I'm also facepalming HarryCallahan for saying he's not relevant because he didn't commit the act himself.

I think what he did is just as evil (if not more so) than the act itself.

I'm saying he isn't relevant to this thread. Besides, lets let him/Tex Watson in, they still aren't serial killers because the M.O was different. They would be spree killers.

Gee, for ISH's resident logician, you sure can't follow simple logic well.

[Thorpesaurous]

I've been reading True Crime, and been a "fan" of Serial Killers, for probably 15 years now. And the book that got me hooked, and the guy who is still probably my "favorite" killer, is Zodiac. The thing is, he's not particularly brutal, or prolific, he's got only 5 confirmed kills, and left victims alive on two occasions. And his process is pretty commonplace, a gun to the head, with the exception of the incredibly bizarre Lake Berryessa killing.

But the letters are fascinating. The scyfers, the taunting, the game playing. And the fact that he's still uncaptured, it just makes the case so much fun to read about, speculate about, think about.
BTK was the only other similarly interesting story, with the added bonus of his being more physically twisted, adding the bondage angle, but once Dennis Raider was caught, it lost a lot of value, because the guy just wasn't nearly as compelling as the mind may have made him. Especially because he just seemed dumb in being unable to keep up with the technology of not getting caught, which made him seem dumber than he probably was.

The Ripper has a lot of similar elements, and is fun for a lot of the same reasons. But the era being as different as it is, I find it less so. The notes scribbled on walls are less detailed. The investagative ability is so much less, it almost feels silly. But again, the being uncaught leaves a ton of room for specualation, which is half the fun. I quite enjoyed the Patricia Cornwall book proposing painter Walter Sickert, even though it was pretty thouroughly refuted after the fact. It still makes for a great read. Much like Greysmith's Zodiac, which all but indicts Arthur Lee Allen, which now many years later sounds less and less likely. But it remains a spectacular read, as you get to watch this author spiral down the rabit hole of this case.

Pedro Lopez, the Monster of the Andes, is pretty interesting just in his scope, allegedly having over 300 kills. But the language and cultural differences make most of the stuff I've read on him less compelling.

Gacy is the creepiest to me. In part because of the homosexual element, but also because of all the clown characterizations. But he always reads more socialized than Bundy or a lot of the other guys. He really feels like he was hiding in plain sight. A book written about him called The Last Victim, by a ciminology student who he almost kills while he's in prison, is a really well written piece, that gives you a nice summary of the case, but adds in this first person perspective, and then adds to the case as the kid goes to visit Gacy in prison.

[shaq2000]

The thing that interests me about Zodiac are the letters. I'm studying cryptography a bit in CS and would love to be the one that decrypts his final cipher that nobody has been able to decrypt so far.

It's pretty crazy that it could contain the killer's identity. I've read that the Zodiac specifically wanted a mind that he'd consider to be on par with his own to find out his identity. You'd think he must be a technically/mathematically oriented person. I mean it's far easier to encrypt info than decrypt it, but I think he must have been someone involved in math or comp sci. He might be dead by now though.

http://i.imgur.com/5X2ZeTW.jpg

[qrich]

Skimming through this thread, only one mention of Kuklinski? :facepalm. Granted, you can say he was a "contract" killer and not a serial but dude was absolutely ruthless and did not give a damn. Same with Tommy "The Butcher" Pitera, though he was estimated around 60 to Kuklinski's being anywhere from 100 to 300. Pitera was insane as well, dude would kill, than get naked with the body, get in the tub, and saw off the limbs. Just crazy.

John Wayne Gacey was sick as well. John Allen Muhammed's reign of terror was pretty big as well. The Baseline Killer, out in Phoenix, may not be the best, but dude was insane.

But the most overlooked, at least on American soil, has to be Herman Webster Mudgett, also known as H.H. Holmes. Dude was the original mad doctor. Hotel of torture during the World Fair.

[Thorpesaurous]

Skimming through this thread, only one mention of Kuklinski? :facepalm. Granted, you can say he was a "contract" killer and not a serial but dude was absolutely ruthless and did not give a damn. Same with Tommy "The Butcher" Pitera, though he was estimated around 60 to Kuklinski's being anywhere from 100 to 300. Pitera was insane as well, dude would kill, than get naked with the body, get in the tub, and saw off the limbs. Just crazy.

John Wayne Gacey was sick as well. John Allen Muhammed's reign of terror was pretty big as well. The Baseline Killer, out in Phoenix, may not be the best, but dude was insane.

But the most overlooked, at least on American soil, has to be Herman Webster Mudgett, also known as H.H. Holmes. Dude was the original mad doctor. Hotel of torture during the World Fair.


A couple years ago I read Devil In The White City, about HH Holmes and the Chicago World's Fair. He's fascinating, but the details of his kills are limited. Just missing girls and the building.

A film has been bandied about for a while.

Another I got into was The Cleveland Torso Killer. Another unsolved, which again, is huge. The killings involved dismemberment too, and Eliot Ness was working in Cleveland at the time, post Untouchables, which adds a bit to the story.
A movie has been talked about there too. Fincher was attached for a while, along with Matt Damon, presumably as Ness.

[DonDadda59]

Skimming through this thread, only one mention of Kuklinski? :facepalm. Granted, you can say he was a "contract" killer and not a serial but dude was absolutely ruthless and did not give a damn. Same with Tommy "The Butcher" Pitera, though he was estimated around 60 to Kuklinski's being anywhere from 100 to 300. Pitera was insane as well, dude would kill, than get naked with the body, get in the tub, and saw off the limbs. Just crazy.

John Wayne Gacey was sick as well. John Allen Muhammed's reign of terror was pretty big as well. The Baseline Killer, out in Phoenix, may not be the best, but dude was insane.

But the most overlooked, at least on American soil, has to be Herman Webster Mudgett, also known as H.H. Holmes. Dude was the original mad doctor. Hotel of torture during the World Fair.

I saw all of the 'Iceman confessions' documentaries and read his book. The man completely overexagerrated his hit total and victims. According to him, he was personally involved in ALL of the high profile mob hits of the latter half of the 20th century. Claims he killed Carmine Galante, Jimmy Hoffa, Roy DeMeo, Paul Castellano.

Problem is, they either caught the actual killers or they flipped and told the authorities who was actually involved. None of them recall Kuklinski being a part of those hit squads. Doesn't make any sense either when you really think about it. No question he had a lot of kills under his belt, just not as many as he claims and not the infamous names he dropped.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

There's actually a movie about Ted Bundy. Called just "Ted Bundy." There are also movies about Dahmer, Gein, and Gacy. The Ted Bundy movie is the best. Dahmer is played by Jeremy Renner. It's decent.

The Bundy movie is actually kinda good. He worked at a help line and used it to find victims. That is scary. The person you're turning to for help is plotting how they can rape and murder you.
I thought the bundy movie was poorly acted and skipped/skimmed through major points of his life that shouldve been included.
Anyway I dont know who was the best (or worst if you like) serial killer but I know I sure as hell wouldnt want the iceman after me.

[shaq2000]

Zodiac's 340 cipher must be solved eventually.

http://i.imgur.com/lEPCIMA.jpg

[Draz]

I can't wait to go home and check these out lol

[wakencdukest]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Andrei Chikatilo, the Russian serial killer who was convicted of 52 murders . This dude was brutal. He was impotent and the only way he could get an erection and an orgasm was to hack women and children to death. HBO made a movie about him called "Citizen X".

[dude77]

yeah I've been aware of these two for a while .. I can't imagine those women being completely stripped of their humanity like that and well .. they just had to take it .. creepy .. and they would just eliminate the husband and kids if they had any .. I guess this is what it was like for any 'slave' throughout history ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSJQ2-hI0A

2:08 until the end .. and that last girl looking at the camera .. imagine her father, mother, family seeing her there looking right into camera knowing she got used like that and then eventually killed :eek: and it's on here for anyone to look up .. hopefully they never come across it .. if that was my niece or daughter I think I'd go nuts and become a serial killer myself

[ArbitraryWater]

You should word this title differently.. feel sick even thinking about somewhat celebrating these people.

^will not watch that torture video.. well, watched a few secs.. whats being said? what happens? the comments say its sick as hell but there seems to be no violence in the video (that happens when the cam is off).

[dude77]

You should word this title differently.. feel sick even thinking about somewhat celebrating these people.

^will not watch that torture video.. well, watched a few secs.. whats being said? what happens? the comments say its sick as hell but there seems to be no violence in the video (that happens when the cam is off).

yeah there's no torture in the video .. the torture was edited out and it's never been released for obvious reasons .. but it's just creepy seeing them in that situation and the way the guy's talking to them .. just basically letting them know that he's gonna have his way with them and they can't do anything about and if they object he'll just kill them etc

[Proctor]

i feel like I can solve that cipher
http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am2/uploads/1/phil.jpg

[tomtucker]

Albert Fish. Not well known but the story is pretty chilling. Molested over 400 kids, eventually progressed to torture, rape, murder and cannibalism. Would then write letters to his victims parents telling them exactly what he had done to their kids. They xrayed his pelvis and found hundreds of sewing needles that he had pushed into his taint because he enjoyed the pain so much. Super messed up. :
http://abload.de/img/oooofgoq7kb5.gif

[tomtucker]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Andrei Chikatilo, the Russian serial killer who was convicted of 52 murders . This dude was brutal. He was impotent and the only way he could get an erection and an orgasm was to hack women and children to death. HBO made a movie about him called "Citizen X".
:biggums:

[Smoke117]

John Wayne Gacy. Because he raped and murdered minorities. (dats racist!!!!!)

[Lebron23]

Richard 'The Iceman' Kuklinski. He was a stone cold killer.

[dude77]

kuklinski claims as an initiation, his bosses drove him to a random neighborhood street, picked out a random stranger who was walking his dog and told him to go kill him to show he could kill anyone they asked him to kill .. so he went and shot the guy in the back of the head .. damn

[dude77]

garavito lopez barbosa are fkn insane cases .. luring, raping and killing little girls like it's brushing your teeth .. and if that's not crazy enough, they released lopez and garavito's sentence was reduced to 22 yrs .. wtf is up with in south america ? these two should've been executed .. instead they're talking about rehab and releasing them ? lol :wtf:

[Fudge]

Of course all, or most of these serial killers are white. Smh

[ThePhantomCreep]

Richard 'The Iceman' Kuklinski. He was a stone cold killer.

Maybe the biggest BS artist of all-time. Iceman did his share of killing, but to hear him tell it, he was involved in every big mob hit from 1970-1990. Jimmy Hoffa, Roy DeMeo, Paul Castellano, you name it. He loses a lot of credibility for his blatant lying.

Speaking of Roy, he was the real deal. A psycho's psycho. Even John Gotti was afraid of carrying out a hit on him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_DeMeo

[ThePhantomCreep]

Harold Shipman killed a huge number of his patients. Authorities put the estimate at 250+. That's more than Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, Chikatilo, Ramirez, and Ridgeway combined.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=harold+shipman&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=4EEBC6BA263A9DF2CFE34EEBC6BA263A9DF2CFE3

[Yoda]

Vader. Young padawans he has killed.

[warriorfan]

Zodiac Killer was Wilt Chamberlain

[BlakFrankWhite]

Jack the ripper....cause the was the OG

[TheMan]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Gilles_de_Rais

This freak goes back 500 years ago, makes you wonder if serial killers always existed, like if even going back to pre-civilization times, there were losers running around killing people purely for pleasure...

I was fascinated by serial killers when I was younger, not like in glorifying them of course but more in trying to figure out why a person would want to torture/kill another human being just for the **** of it.

Someone mentioned that Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer wasn't so fascinating but I disagree, this dude was a pillar of his community, he was even involved in his parish and giving sermons and all the while he's leading a double life as a ruthless murderer. Makes you wonder that you can't ever tell who somebody really is and that creeps me out, like you might be interacting with a serial killer everyday and you haven't a clue, yikes.

[ILLsmak]

October is soon upon us, Halloween is just around the corner. In celebration of one of my favorite holidays, I've started to watch some scary movies. In my search on Netflix, I've found and watched a few documentaries on some of Americans most notable serial killers.

Who do you have as the top serial killer of all time and why.
Here is a list of who I've just recently brushed up on

Jeffrey Dahmer
John Gasey
Gary Ridgway
Ted Bundy
Ed Gein
Aileen Wuornos

Out of that list, I suspect The Green River Killer, AKA Gary Ridgway, is the frontrunner (although I suppose everyone on the list has a valid argument). I choose Gary as my number one pick because of the sheer amount of people hes killed is simply hard to believe. I also give brownie points that this dude was so hard to catch, they had to recruit Ted Bundy from behind prison bars to help capture him, to give insight into the mind and mannerisms of a psychotic serial killer.

Who, in your opinion, is the best serial killer in American history
(feel free to add someone new to the list)

Probably some truck driver nobody knows about.

-Smak