Could Michael Jordan Shut Down Derrick Rose?

[BallsOut]

in a basketball game for 48 minutes :confusedshrug:

[funnystuff]

6%

[Fudge]

No, but he could shut down Lebron Jame.

[Lebron23]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

[thabisyo]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

MJ is Overrated :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[daily]

Jordan's never even had a headband game now you want him to stop a PG?

[poido123]

MJ is Overrated :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

The one where Paul George blew past Lebron is alot worse :confusedshrug:

Jordan did an ok job staying in front of Iverson til the last big crossover which got him in that gif. Iverson routinely beat guys off the dribble with his quickness and handles, Jordan as good as he was couldn't stay with him on that play and I guarantee Lebron would of been left flat footed.

[poido123]

To answer OP's question, not shut him down, but force Rose to make alot of hard shots. If Rose has a run up and he makes a move one way or another, nobody in the current or former NBA could stop him. However if Rose is trying to beat Jordan off the dribble, he will have difficulty getting round him off a step.

[KG215]

No.

LeBron > Jordan


That's the point of the thread, right?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

The only player in the last 30 years who could shutdown Rose is Chalmers. He's easily the best perimeter defensive player in the league and perhaps his generation.

[asdf1990]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

getting crossed over by a rookie lol. Jordan is a poor mans steve nash on the defensive end

[poido123]

getting crossed over by a rookie lol. Jordan is a poor mans steve nash on the defensive end


Trollololololol

[mugiwara]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif


Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.

[ProfessorMurder]

Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.

Seriously man, that is one of the most overrated plays ever. Iverson didn't blow by him, Jordan didn't fall, and Jordan recovered enough to seriously challenge a bad percentage midrange jumper... Also Iverson was young and Jordan was in his 30s.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.
Iverson said this too, verbatim how he gave Mike his best move and still almost blocked his shot.

As for OP, Miami shut Rose down. Not LeBron. He just helped make it more difficult, that's all. MJ is a better, quicker man defender than LeBron so I'm sure he'd fare better most likely.

[funnystuff]

Iverson said this too, verbatim how he gave Mike his best move and still almost blocked his shot.

As for OP, Miami shut Rose down. Not LeBron. He just helped make it more difficult, that's all. MJ is a better, quicker man defender than LeBron so I'm sure he'd fare better most likely.
D Rose shot 6% while being guarded by Lebron in that series. :rolleyes:

[poido123]

D Rose shot 6% while being guarded by Lebron in that series. :rolleyes:

Lebron helped defend Rose with collective trapping and sliding defense to cut off driving lanes. But of course you wouldn't be able to grasp that because you're a simpleton :banana:

[TheReturn]

A healthy Derrick Rose is arguably a top 5 player in the league. Even if Lebron (and the rest of the team defense) were relatively successful 2 years ago, when Rose was forced to be one man show alot of the time already, due to the lack of offensive talent on his team.. Doesn't mean players just shut him down on the regular. Not Lebron and not Jordan.

[Trollsmasher]

Definitely not. Rose is too athletic and skilled for MJ.

I mean, did ever MJ even shut down anyone except for midget Bogues? Although it's not like there was any competition on the perimeter in the 90s.

[nathanjizzle]

yes he would.

[I<3NBA]

MJ almost blocked that shot. if that's the worse defending Jordan has, then goddamn.

[bigt]

Rose has to get out of his suit first...

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Rose has to get out of his suit first...

This :applause:

How do we know if Rose is even coming back next season? For all we know, he still hasn't recovered his muscle memory.

[Jameerthefear]

This :applause:

How do we know if Rose is even coming back next season? For all we know, he still hasn't recovered his muscle memory.
that joke got old the 2nd time

[poido123]

This :applause:

How do we know if Rose is even coming back next season? For all we know, he still hasn't recovered his muscle memory.

Less than one month before training camp opens on one of the most anticipated seasons since the dynasty ended, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau made good on his vow to visit Derrick Rose's offseason base outside Los Angeles to witness Rose's workouts.

Rose, who is set to attend training camp in late September after missing last season following knee surgery, is set to travel to Asia Sept. 4-16 for his second shoe promotional tour this offseason. Before then, he is working out with personal trainer Rob McClanaghan and other NBA players, including Jimmy Butler earlier this week.

[B]Thibodeau traveled west Wednesday to check in on Rose, who is sporting increased range on his jumper and a left-handed floater that he has worked on extensively this offseason.

Thibodeau said last month at the summer league that he doesn't envision

[Dionysus]

First off, let me state that Michael Jordan is the most overrated defender ever.

Jordan wouldn't be able to stay with Rose on the court. Only superior defenders like LeBron and Pippen would have the lateral speed and length to shut down Rose.

LeBron held Rose to 6% shooting.


6%

[HoopsFanNumero1]

that joke got old the 2nd time

It's not a joke...

[poido123]

MJ almost blocked that shot. if that's the worse defending Jordan has, then goddamn.

Thankyou :applause:

An objective opinion from a Heat fan..

[poido123]

First off, let me state that Michael Jordan is the most overrated defender ever.

Jordan wouldn't be able to stay with Rose on the court. Only superior defenders like LeBron and Pippen would have the lateral speed and length to shut down Rose.

LeBron held Rose to 6% shooting.


6%


Jordan didn't have lateral speed? GTFO clown :roll:

[Dionysus]

Jordan didn't have lateral speed? GTFO clown :roll:

Yes he has lateral speed ofcource. Just not up to par with LeBron's lateral speed.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Is this dude Dionysus trolling or does he really believe this shit? :oldlol: Jordan's lateral foot speed shits on Lebron's.

[Jameerthefear]

Is this dude Dionysus trolling or does he really believe this shit? :oldlol: Jordan's lateral foot speed shits on Lebron's.
Trolling. Just put him on your ignore list and move on. Add TonyMontana while you're at it.

[poido123]

Yes he has lateral speed ofcource. Just not up to par with LeBron's lateral speed.

Make your mind up, he either does or he doesn't.

And if your post was to make a point that James and Pippen could defend Rose because of lateral speed, then you admitted Jordan has it too now.

[Segatti]

lol

[Segatti]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif

[Papaya Petee]

For the millionth time, no player is shutting down INDIVIDUALLY a star like Derrick Rose 1v1. LeBron did a great job on Rose, actually fantastic, but it was a team effort to shut down Rose, and this is coming from a person who watched every minute of that series.

The offensive talent of superstars in the NBA shits on the defensive talent produced individually. If you want Jordan to stay in front of Rose and "shut him down" you better hope you have a GREAT help defense behind Jordan.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Young MJ could guard Rose as well as anyone. Not "shut down" but back when Jordan's quickness was at it's peak the combo of size athleticism and quickness would be a headache for any guard.

Getting crossed by AI proves about as much about a defender's ability as getting dunked on by Shaq.

[DaHeezy]

Thankyou :applause:

An objective opinion from a Heat fan..

Now if it can only be the same from Jordan stans....

[Dionysus]

Is this dude Dionysus trolling or does he really believe this shit? :oldlol: Jordan's lateral foot speed shits on Lebron's.

Not trolling. Do you watch the 2 players? Jordan is not God at everything. Jordan is an average defender with good lateral speed, but LeBron is an All Time top 10 elite defender with superior later speed to that of Jordans.

[DaHeezy]

Young MJ could guard Rose as well as anyone. Not "shut down" but back when Jordan's quickness was at it's peak the combo of size athleticism and quickness would be a headache for any guard.

Getting crossed by AI proves about as much about a defender's ability as getting dunked on by Shaq.

I think people only use that gif to show Jordan was only human and the bring Jordan fans back down to earth.

But I agree, great offense will always beat great defense. There are those player where no matter who you put in front cannot be stopped

[Dionysus]

Make your mind up, he either does or he doesn't.

And if your post was to make a point that James and Pippen could defend Rose because of lateral speed, then you admitted Jordan has it too now.

Do you understand English?

I said Jordans lateral speed isn't on par with LeBron's. That statement doesn't mean he has 0 lateral speed you bloke, it means his lateral speed is at a nice 88, while LeBron's is at 99.

[Marchesk]

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif

:lol

[Marchesk]

Do you understand English?

I said Jordans lateral speed isn't on par with LeBron's. That statement doesn't mean he has 0 lateral speed you bloke, it means his lateral speed is at a nice 88, while LeBron's is at 99.

Dat lateral speed:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4823984/paul-george-dunk-on-birdman-o.gif

[Miller for 3]

JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This nikka gets cut by the fkn Bucks and he still better than Lebronze

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[therammingman]

Seriously man, that is one of the most overrated plays ever. Iverson didn't blow by him, Jordan didn't fall, and Jordan recovered enough to seriously challenge a bad percentage midrange jumper... Also Iverson was young and Jordan was in his 30s.

my thoughts exactly

[Fudge]

LeBran Jame >>>> Michael Jordan

[Poetry]

Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.

In terms of fundamental defensive strategy, MJ covered him really well. It's stuff you learn in grade school. Watch MJ's left arm, it's always anticipating the move to the right.

He cuts off the burst to the right that Iverson obviously wants, makes an initial swipe at the ball (Iverson still can't blow by him), harasses him on the second move to the left cutting off that direction as well.

Iverson gets MJ to bite with the delayed carry, but MJ recovers well, getting his lower body to cut the space between him and Pip, and then he challenges the shot.

Iverson wanted to blow by him but what MJ does forces him to take a tough shot.


JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif

Mark Price >>> both :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjv2EEg2-gc

[Trollsmasher]

JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif
No crossovers in Redick's report:coleman:

[97 bulls]

JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif
Greatest post ever.:bowdown:

[97 bulls]

No crossovers in Redick's report:coleman:
Well there is one now.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

JJ Redick >>> Allen Iverson :bowdown:

http://uppix.net/bu8zuG.gif

Did he make the shot?

[nathanjizzle]

Lebrons lateral speed is so great that even lebron himself cant handle it.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4824071/derrick-rose-crossover-lebron-o.gif

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Lebrons lateral speed is so great that even lebron himself cant handle it.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4824071/derrick-rose-crossover-lebron-o.gif

Stop using gifsoup :facepalm. Can't see shit.

[nathanjizzle]

Stop using gifsoup :facepalm. Can't see shit.

can u see lebron doing a out of control 360 on defense?

[Dionysus]

LeBron haters cherry picking bad highlights like no player in NBA history has had a bad possession, pathetic:oldlol:

[kNicKz]

Not trolling. Do you watch the 2 players? Jordan is not God at everything. Jordan is an average defender with good lateral speed, but LeBron is an All Time top 10 elite defender with superior later speed to that of Jordans.

I find your lack of DPOY disturbing

[kNicKz]

LeBron haters cherry picking bad highlights like no player in NBA history has had a bad possession, pathetic:oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311732&page=1&pp=15

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Dionysus]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311732&page=1&pp=15

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Only out of responce.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Damn, I didn't know Redick crossed up James, the way Jordan did Russell.

:biggums:

[Dionysus]

Damn, I didn't know Redick crossed up James, the way Jordan did Russell.

:biggums:

You mean that Jordan offensive foul?:lol

[Young X]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym08f9bZvKc&feature=youtu.be&t=12s

DAMN.

[Jameerthefear]

JJ :applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym08f9bZvKc&feature=youtu.be&t=12s

DAMN.

Air balled. Doesn't count.

[Young X]

Air balled. Doesn't count.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc83b_LBdSw

DAMN.

[Poetry]

You mean that Jordan offensive foul?:lol

Contact like that was often allowed back then.

http://www.onemanfastbreak.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/reggie-miller-pushes-michael-jordan-1998.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18Ejq2Qwx8

[Inferno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjEHXJIXFto

[HoopsFanNumero1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc83b_LBdSw

DAMN.

Not bad.

[Legends66NBA7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjEHXJIXFto

Would like to see Rudy do that more this coming season. Get to the rim.

[sekachu]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb2YQWApGo

start to watch at 4:36. This is what happened when iverson challenge MJ again.

[Pointguard]

Iverson said this too, verbatim how he gave Mike his best move and still almost blocked his shot.

As for OP, Miami shut Rose down. Not LeBron. He just helped make it more difficult, that's all. MJ is a better, quicker man defender than LeBron so I'm sure he'd fare better most likely.
Yeah people for get Lebron guarded Rose the year before in the playoffs and he didn't shut him down. Its just that Miami funnels quick guards as good as any team has every done.

[julizaver]

in a basketball game for 48 minutes :confusedshrug:

Not in every game

BUT MJ would outplay him most of the time, as he did to all of his opponents.

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb2YQWApGo

start to watch at 4:36. This is what happened when iverson challenge MJ again.
:biggums:

Damn, dat man defense ... @ 35 years old no less on fast as hell young Iverson, when the league still allowed him to do his crossover.

:pimp:

[Duncan21formvp]

Of course he would. MJ never got outscored in a series before. A guy like Lebron got outscored by Tony Parker, Melo, Durant, and of course Jason Terry.

[andgar923]

:biggums:

Damn, dat man defense ... @ 35 years old no less on fast as hell young Iverson, when the league still allowed him to do his crossover.

:pimp:

What was more impressive was Iverson had the advantage in this situation. He had a wide open court and had MJ on his heels. But MJ learns and he knew what AI wanted to do and cut him off and stayed with him. That move AI made on him was extremely quick, even AI was a bit out of control due to the speed. Yet MJ still not just managed to stay with him, he managed to stay with his second move and even then contest the shot.

Not bad for an old man.:pimp:

There's a vid on YouTube in which Mj basically prevents Zeke from getting past the 3pt line in almost every possession he's guarding him (i think it's their first meeting after the all star game). This is Zeke a player many here consider having the best handles in history, a player that would break down any player, yet he couldn't shake MJ.

Not to say MJ is perfect (he clearly aint) but it's just an example of how great he was.

[Smoke117]

He failed to shutdown a smaller and less efficient scoring version of Derrick Rose.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

Every time I see this the only thing I can think of is: jesus christ...what a ridiculous carryover.

[Derivative]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb2YQWApGo

start to watch at 4:36. This is what happened when iverson challenge MJ again.


can u gif that, i am in china i can't watch youtube, stupid chinese

[AintNoSunshine]

Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.


Exactly, people are so stupid for always posting this gif like MJ actually got burned, he actually contested the shot afterall, at the latter part of his career too

[SilkkTheShocker]

Weren't Bulls fans saying Jimmy Butler shut LeBron down even though Chicago had the whole team collapse on him anytime he drove? But for some reason Rose gets a ton of excuses for shooting a blistering 6% :oldlol:

[jzek]

Not going to go through the whole thread but if you guys think it's laughable that a rookie Iverson almost got his shot blocked by a well recovered 34-year old Jordan from this GIF posted on page 1:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

...then I'm going to show you the supposed better defender in LeBron James almost breaking his ankles and falling down trying to defend the slow as molasses move by JJ Reddick:

http://i41.tinypic.com/504bch.gif

34-year old Jordan recoverd against rookie Iverson on each his series of moves and even almost blocked his shot whereas LeBron was helpless against a simple juke from Reddick.

EDIT:

And just to complete the mix, here's Kobe on AI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvrwC10o84k

[riseagainst]

No. MJ > Lebron* still.

[sekachu]

can u gif that, i am in china i can't watch youtube, stupid chinese


http://i.imgur.com/iSMbsD0.gif

[Dro]

First off, let me state that Michael Jordan is the most overrated defender ever.

Jordan wouldn't be able to stay with Rose on the court. Only superior defenders like LeBron and Pippen would have the lateral speed and length to shut down Rose.

LeBron held Rose to 6% shooting.


6%
:facepalm Pippen can get crossed over too like when Grant Hill crossed him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H18Kc2xykPg

Great defenders can get crossed over too. They're the ones who are most likely to get shook because they aren't scared to actually get up on the guy and try to play defense. Instead of most of the guys in the NBA who play off their man so they won't get embarrased., Vince comes to mind. Hell Lebron comes to mind.

[Mr Exlax]

No superstar player will shut down another superstar player. It's impossible. Make them have an off night? Sure that's possible.

[Calabis]

Everytime i see this all i think is how well MJ recovers.

Even Iverson said as much...but hey 34 year old Jordan guarding arguably the quickest player ever and getting crossed equals he could never play defense:facepalm

[red1]

http://i41.tinypic.com/504bch.gif

This is killing me lmao. Did he make the shot?

[Calabis]

Anyone got the Granger crossover on Lebron...mfer sliding on the ground like he stole second base. Too bad he missed the shot

[funnystuff]

http://i41.tinypic.com/504bch.gif

This is killing me lmao. Did he make the shot?
Obviously not, the GIF cuts off for a reason.

[CelticBaller]

No but prime Kobi can

[La Frescobaldi]

Young MJ could guard Rose as well as anyone. Not "shut down" but back when Jordan's quickness was at it's peak the combo of size athleticism and quickness would be a headache for any guard.

Yeah - this right here. Nobody shuts down elite players like D Rose, not even MJ if he played full defense and let the rest of the team work the offensive end. Now you could talk about how far off his regular average MJ would make him go.... but shut down? Nah probly not.


Getting crossed by AI proves about as much about a defender's ability as getting dunked on by Shaq.
Shaq raining on their head............
http://thewanderingdragon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/falling-piano-01.jpg

[funnystuff]

6%

[SamuraiSWISH]

Weren't Bulls fans saying Jimmy Butler shut LeBron down even though Chicago had the whole team collapse on him anytime he drove?
Let me school you real quick one time, bro.

Butler locked LeBron's ass up in ISOs both contested shots, but more importantly off the dribble.

LeBron COULDN'T beat Butler off the dribble due to his man defense. So how could the Bulls collapse on his drives?

Bulls didn't collapse, they have Noah in the paint to contest. Besides the point, LeBron has superstar help to distract the defense: Wade and Bosh.

2011 Rose didn't have any offensive distractions near that caliber, he was a solo gunner act, while also being playmaker and shot creator for everyone. Playing PG and SG. Thus the waisted energy, in turn resulting in low shooting percentage while 6'8 super freak athlete contests his jumpers and gets hyped up by the media as stopping the MVP in "one on one" ...

The reality? Rose was facing MJ and Pippen esque athleticism double teams and defense shadowing him with a constant rotation of Chalmers, Wade, and help defense with Haslem and Bosh to contest at the rim.

LeBron merely stood in front of Rose and contested a man 8 inches shorter than him's jump shot. Big deal.

His defense on Tony Parker in game 6 and game 7 was legit. LeBron didn't lock up Rose on his own. It was team defense. It was Rose not having weapons besides himself to keep the defense honest.

And at any rate, what's more impressive? 22 year old Rose struggling v.s. top ten all-time, 2x MVP, DPOY candidate, super defensive athlete 8 inches taller than him, with help defense from another MVP caliber player, taller than him as well, just as athletic.

Meanwhile, with significantly more offensive help LeBron gets LOCKED up by a rookie defender.

:oldlol:

You LeBron Stans brought this on yourself by exaggerating LeBron "shutting down Rose" solo and holding him to "6%" FG in fourth quarters. And he was 22, facing your boy you guys claim to be GOAT.

Us Rose fans make no excuses, just tell you the truth. Meanwhile back at the sizzler, clown ass LeBron stans make excuses for 22 year old LeBron getting locked up by old ass Bruce Bowen at the same age in his ABYSMAL Finals showing in 2007.

:rolleyes:

[Greg Oden 50]

Yes he has lateral speed ofcource. Just not up to par with LeBron's lateral speed.

if he is so great,leonard shouldn't drive him couple times when lebron graud him :roll: