First Step of Michael Jordan

[Round Mound]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EjjrdoURR2k/Ua3J-VaWL6I/AAAAAAAAsNg/NDI8OVW5TMg/s640/michael_jordan.jpghttp://www.helpeverybodyeveryday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lightningDSL1.jpg
:facepalm :bowdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukNKGNphoQ

[Marchesk]

No way Lebron is staying in front of that.

[SamuraiSWISH]

No way Lebron is staying in front of that.
Hell no.

It's like the quickness and explosion of prime Wade. Combined witht he crafty, deceptive, skillful footwork of Kobe.

And of course by footwork of Kobe, I mean the skill set he patterned after MJ. Just using it as an analogy for all the ignorant, young bucks on ISH.

Nice find OP, added to the archive. Thanks.

:pimp:

[Round Mound]

[B]The Mixture Of Both His Athletic Abilities and Skills Was In His Peek 88-93. I

[deja vu]

No way Lebron is staying in front of that.
This. And fools are saying that LeBron would beat MJ 1-on-1. :lol :pimp:

[eliteballer]

No surprise you would pick a video with a horrible framerate...THIS is a more accurate depiction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPQZTBr0r0

[andgar923]

People always mention that MJ's shots were 'uncontested' that he got easy dunks, that he didn't get double teamed.

Well

[lefthook00]

MJ borderline travelled on a lot of his first steps but that doesn't matter, he was still crazzzy fast.





But honestly, I thought Wade wasn't as quick/fast as MJ, and I even argued against Wade in the "Kobe vs. Wade Athleticism" thread, but after watching a lot of tape recently on young/rookie Wade, and having seen a lot of MJ tape and live, I concede that Wade is faster. Blasphemy I know, but I think young Wade was actually quicker than MJ. And I don't deny that MJ is the best NBA athlete of all-time. And Kobe is my favorite player of all-time. Someone made a "Rookie Wade Playoffs" video thread, and it was unbelievable how fast he was.

[andgar923]

MJ borderline travelled on a lot of his first steps but that doesn't matter, he was still crazzzy fast.





But honestly, I thought Wade wasn't as quick/fast as MJ, and I even argued against Wade in the "Kobe vs. Wade Athleticism" thread, but after watching a lot of tape recently on young/rookie Wade, and having seen a lot of MJ tape and live, I concede that Wade is faster. Blasphemy I know, but I think young Wade was actually quicker than MJ. And I don't deny that MJ is the best NBA athlete of all-time. And Kobe is my favorite player of all-time. Someone made a "Rookie Wade Playoffs" video thread, and it was unbelievable how fast he was.

Wade appears to be faster due to the rules and how he's played.

Give Mj the same opposition and it's really over.

[lefthook00]

*Double post*

[lefthook00]

Wade appears to be faster due to the rules and how he's played.

Give Mj the same opposition and it's really over.

Perhaps that's it. You also rarely Wade explode off the triple threat position, he usually dribbles before he attacks, or he waits for a screen.

[DuMa]

video in OP never shows MJ going left. i find it funny

[Indian guy]

MJ borderline travelled on a lot of his first steps but that doesn't matter, he was still crazzzy fast.





But honestly, I thought Wade wasn't as quick/fast as MJ, and I even argued against Wade in the "Kobe vs. Wade Athleticism" thread, but after watching a lot of tape recently on young/rookie Wade, and having seen a lot of MJ tape and live, I concede that Wade is faster. Blasphemy I know, but I think young Wade was actually quicker than MJ. And I don't deny that MJ is the best NBA athlete of all-time. And Kobe is my favorite player of all-time. Someone made a "Rookie Wade Playoffs" video thread, and it was unbelievable how fast he was.

Huh? Why blasphemy? Only ignorant people would act surprised over considering Wade quicker than MJ. All you have to do is watch them play. Wade is the quickest SG of all time for players around that size.

[lefthook00]

Originally Posted by Indian Guy

Huh? Why blasphemy? Only ignorant people would act surprised over considering Wade quicker than MJ. All you have to do is watch them play. Wade is the quickest SG of all time for players around that size.

I dunno, it seems to be the consensus here that MJ was the quickest/fastest 2 guard of all-time, aside from the little guys like Iverson, etc....

[andgar923]

Perhaps that's it. You also rarely Wade explode off the triple threat position, he usually dribbles before he attacks, or he waits for a screen.

This is MJ in 97 with a screen and similar to the defense Wade dealt with:

http://youtu.be/jYdtk6FURS4?t=39s

It wasn't amazingly fast, but still fast. Now consider his age.

Again, at the 5:48 mark (ankle breaker) that move was lighting fast.


Look at how far the defender ends up http://youtu.be/vIvUmw4I2Bk?t=1m20s

Again, look at the space he's getting http://youtu.be/vIvUmw4I2Bk?t=2m37s the defense is waiting for the drive and they still can't react fast enough.

those are just a few for starters

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'd say Wade and MJ are equal in terms of quickness. Wade maybe quicker off the dribble, maybe. But not significant and the no hand check certainly helped give him room to explode. MJ is easily faster out of the triple threat. And yes MJs first step in some cases was borderline traveling. In real time to quick to call.

[Indian guy]

I dunno, it seems to be the consensus here that MJ was the quickest/fastest 2 guard of all-time

95% of the people here(and on the internet in general) have no clue about MJ. Put no stock in what they have to say.

[SamuraiSWISH]

95% of the people here(and on the internet in general) have no clue about MJ. Put no stock in what they have.
95, heh?

That arbitrary and absurdly high number wasn't pulled out of your ass or anything.

[Sarcastic]

Wade has a better crossover than Jordan, but Jordan's first step was much better than Wade's.

Wade's best move is the windmill crossover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPYVerGacpc&NR=1&noredirect=1

[Trollsmasher]

So what do we have here?

Terrible, sped up '80s footage
Unathletic white guys
Fat black guys

There was not a single defender in the vicinity of the defensive prowess of LeBron James in that video.

[poido123]

So what do we have here?

Terrible, sped up '80s footage
Unathletic white guys
Fat black guys

There was not a single defender in the vicinity of the defensive prowess of LeBron James in that video.


Boris Diaw :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Boris Diaw :oldlol:


Ether. :cheers:

[poido123]

Ether. :cheers:

:cheers:

Dumb trolling attempts, deserve dumb trolling responses...

[juju151111]

Boris Diaw :oldlol:
Owned:applause:

[Dragonyeuw]

I'd say Wade and MJ are equal in terms of quickness. Wade maybe quicker off the dribble, maybe. But not significant and the no hand check certainly helped give him room to explode. MJ is easily faster out of the triple threat. And yes MJs first step in some cases was borderline traveling. In real time to quick to call.

Yeah, I'd say Wade is definitely quicker off the dribble, changing directions, splitting double teams while maintaining pace. Just from a standstill position to beat your man with a quick first step, I'd day Jordan was more explosive in that regard.

[f0und]

notice jordan has that little split second half stutter fake to the left before exploding going right. that deceptive move along with his crazy fast first step just left defenders befuddled.

[b1imtf]

Boris Diaw :oldlol:
:roll:

[Champ]

Equally important to speed/quickness in having a great first step is timing. It's the ability to move past your defender at the precise moment when they're off balance, between steps, on on their heels. MJ certainly had that talent.

Slower players can also have a great first step if their timing is excellent - think Larry Bird.

[Dragonyeuw]

Equally important to speed/quickness in having a great first step is timing. It's the ability to move past your defender at the precise moment when they're off balance, between steps, on on their heels. MJ certainly had that talent.



Yep, in that aspect Jordan had crazy reaction skills, using your own body's momentum against you.

[pauk]

This. And fools are saying that LeBron would beat MJ 1-on-1. :lol :pimp:

Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

[f0und]

Equally important to speed/quickness in having a great first step is timing. It's the ability to move past your defender at the precise moment when they're off balance, between steps, on on their heels. MJ certainly had that talent.

Slower players can also have a great first step if their timing is excellent - think Larry Bird.

its that little hitch he does right before he explodes going right. that freezes his opponents for just a split second. more than enough time to blow by.

[Marchesk]

Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

MJs a better man defender, and he has superior 1 on 1 skills. So do Kobe and Melo.

[Dragonyeuw]

Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

Lebron gets most of his speed in the open court when he gets a full head of steam. In the half court, there's nothing particularly remarkable about his first step, at least nothing so remarkable that someone with great lateral quickness like a Jordan/Kobe/Pippen couldn't stay in front of him.

[sekachu]

Hell no.

It's like the quickness and explosion of prime Wade. Combined witht he crafty, deceptive, skillful footwork of Kobe.

And of course by footwork of Kobe, I mean the skill set he patterned after MJ. Just using it as an analogy for all the ignorant, young bucks on ISH.

Nice find OP, added to the archive. Thanks.

:pimp:



In additional, the defender couldn't anticipated MJ's next moves which none of the great offensive player like kobe, tmac, iversion have such ability.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

No version of Lebron would ever get past Jordan on a straight blow-by first step attempt. Like, ever. He may get an angle on him and then body him and bump him off and eventually complete a layup/dunk, but he is never going to just outright beat Jordan with his first step. Jordan had perhaps the quickest defensive feet in history for a guy over 6'4".

Also, lol @ this jackass eliteballer acting as if all the footage is sped up. :oldlol: Funny how only Jordan looks sped up - somehow the other players move normally, at the speed we would expect them to. Then he posts court level footage where so much of the action is obscured by players and where you can't get any real sense of distance covered versus time, separation from defenders etc. Just a true troll.

[Akhenaten]

Perhaps that's it. You also rarely Wade explode off the triple threat position, he usually dribbles before he attacks, or he waits for a screen.

That's because of Wade's inferior skillset compared to Jordan, namely footwork and a standstill jumpshot.

You never have to worry about Wade just rising up from a standstill position, you can count how many times he's done it in a ten year career.

Because of this flaw in Wade's game the defender can always sag off, giving him that extra millisecond to recover.

Jordan was so deadly off a standstill jumper, that even when a defender would appear to sag off he'd be leaning his weight forward so that if need be he could contest the shot.

Put it this way

Derrick Rose's 3/4 court time is 3.05, Wade's is 3.08. I understand how quick young Jordan is, I'm sure we can all agree though that he was not quicker than DRose.

If Wade would have developed that ONE aspect of his game he would one a couple MVP's. Wade HAS to dribble to get rhythm for his jumpshot, that alone makes it so much easier for the defender.

[AlphaWolf24]

MJ's first step was so quick and opponents had to respect it....

they knew it was coming....and MJ would actually use it to attack and get his defender moving , then he would change his direction and thus.....

it was O...V....E...R......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJbNiXVfOJU

[pauk]

No version of Lebron would ever get past Jordan on a straight blow-by first step attempt. Like, ever. He may get an angle on him and then body him and bump him off and eventually complete a layup/dunk, but he is never going to just outright beat Jordan with his first step. Jordan had perhaps the quickest defensive feet in history for a guy over 6'4".

Also, lol @ this jackass eliteballer acting as if all the footage is sped up. :oldlol: Funny how only Jordan looks sped up - somehow the other players move normally, at the speed we would expect them to. Then he posts court level footage where so much of the action is obscured by players and where you can't get any real sense of distance covered versus time, separation from defenders etc. Just a true troll.

I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....
No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

DA master :pimp:

[poido123]

I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.


This is how I know you don't know much about Jordan.

Many players including bigmen have pointed out Jordan's deceptive strength and how he is not easy to back down. Lebron ragdolling him :oldlol:

[STATUTORY]

No surprise you would pick a video with a horrible framerate...THIS is a more accurate depiction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPQZTBr0r0
wonder what kind of recreational league that white boy ehlo would have played in today

[Pushxx]

MJ a ragdoll? WTF? :wtf:

[STATUTORY]

No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.

Lebron's first step is beyond pedestrian. he's got long strides and great top speed but acceleration is very mediocre. even in his prime he required a screen just to get to the hoop.

this kids game ain't made for 1 on 1

[SamuraiSWISH]

wonder what kind of recreational league that white boy ehlo would have played in today
Probably in the same league this white boy is in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkNA4B1OLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-amQVfD7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd11QL28ZrEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJPS0Y996J4

Or maybe the mexican taco league with Romel Beck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj28VvPsjHk

[Clifton]

Double teams never really got there on time because he was too fast for them.

Jumpers appeared to be uncontested because he left his defenders on quick sand.
Another thing I've noticed is that he was a lot slicker off the ball than most of the other great SGs like Kobe and Wade. His defender was usually on skates whenever he caught the ball, and the defense wasn't settled enough to send a double right away. He was often playing one on one with a one-beat edge.

It wasn't this iso-ball; not nearly as much. MJ was much more likely to catch the ball in scoring position and immediately do something with it than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, T-Mac.

This isn't to say Jordan wouldn't dominate the ball or have his iso moments, or that Kobe's never run off a screen; but overal Jordan did much more to make the game easy for himself (easier than it already was) than his (less-talented) rivals did/do.

[STATUTORY]

Probably in the same league this white boy is in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkNA4B1OLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-amQVfD7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd11QL28ZrEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJPS0Y996J4

Or maybe the mexican taco league with Romel Beck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj28VvPsjHk
:roll: :roll:

Gordon Hayward with his handles, shooting, passing, rebounding, would have been Larry Bird type of player if he played in the 80s. Real talk

[SamuraiSWISH]

:roll: :roll:

Gordon Hayward with his handles, shooting, passing, rebounding, would have been Larry Bird type of player if he played in the 80s. Real talk
Umm, no. What about dat ese Ramel Beck? I seen dude cutting my neighbor's lawn last weekend, 4 years ago breaking Kobe's ankles. Some career.

[eliteballer]

No version of Lebron would ever get past Jordan on a straight blow-by first step attempt. Like, ever. He may get an angle on him and then body him and bump him off and eventually complete a layup/dunk, but he is never going to just outright beat Jordan with his first step. Jordan had perhaps the quickest defensive feet in history for a guy over 6'4".

Also, lol @ this jackass eliteballer acting as if all the footage is sped up. :oldlol: Funny how only Jordan looks sped up - somehow the other players move normally, at the speed we would expect them to. Then he posts court level footage where so much of the action is obscured by players and where you can't get any real sense of distance covered versus time, separation from defenders etc. Just a true troll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Tmg96qq7k&t=7m59s

[eliteballer]

This is MJ in 97 with a screen and similar to the defense Wade dealt with:

http://youtu.be/jYdtk6FURS4?t=39s

It wasn't amazingly fast, but still fast. Now consider his age.

Again, at the 5:48 mark (ankle breaker) that move was lighting fast.


Look at how far the defender ends up http://youtu.be/vIvUmw4I2Bk?t=1m20s

Again, look at the space he's getting http://youtu.be/vIvUmw4I2Bk?t=2m37s the defense is waiting for the drive and they still can't react fast enough.

those are just a few for starters

This is just the kind of sh!t I'm talking about. Look at that first video...does ANYONE look natural to you? They ALL look like they've been shot out of a cannon, you delinquent twit.

[NBASTATMAN]

Hell no.

It's like the quickness and explosion of prime Wade. Combined witht he crafty, deceptive, skillful footwork of Kobe.

And of course by footwork of Kobe, I mean the skill set he patterned after MJ. Just using it as an analogy for all the ignorant, young bucks on ISH.

Nice find OP, added to the archive. Thanks.

:pimp:


IMO he had the quickness of Iverson and explosion of Wade. The rest i agree:rockon:

[OldSchoolBBall]

I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.

I did not comment on a 1-on-1 match or the outcome thereof. What I said - and what is most assuredly true - is that Lebron would never (as in, not once) get by Jordan with a first step blow-by unless he engaged in some ballhandling chicanery to get MJ off balance first.

[kshutts1]

I don't need to see the video to know that Jordan had better...

Jumper than Allen
Handles than someone with amazing handles
Defense than Bill Russell and Scottie Pippen COMBINED
First step than Iverson
Strength than Shaq or Wilt
3p shot than Bird, Peja, Allen, Miller, Kerr, Paxson...
FT shooting than Barry and Price
Dunking than VC
"Will to win" than Russell
Skyhook (in his sleep, no less!!!) than Kareem

[eliteballer]

I did not comment on a 1-on-1 match or the outcome thereof. What I said - and what is most assuredly true - is that Lebron would never (as in, not once) get by Jordan with a first step blow-by unless he engaged in some ballhandling chicanery to get MJ off balance first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Tmg96qq7k&t=7m59s

[Quickening]

Came in expecting MJ to be the best at every facet of the game, letf satisfied

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Tmg96qq7k&t=7m59s

Prime defensive Jordan '89-'93. try again.

[Young X]

http://youtu.be/CTufHHiXLNk?t=7m32s

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://youtu.be/CTufHHiXLNk?t=7m32s

One of my favorites. This tool eliteballer actually had the balls to say that Kobe has moved as fast as this. :oldlol: You will never see Kobe, Wade, Lebron, or anyone over 6'4" go from a standstill to top speed and blow past a defender that quickly. Instant acceleration. And Jordan is 33 years old here.

[Young X]

Look at the first play in this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsMLK3iABsY

The quickness is insane, but look at the ground he covers in 1 second. The combination of quickness AND length is what separates him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHWXRw9UkU&feature=youtu.be&t=5m22s

One dribble.

[russwest0]

No way Lebron is staying in front of that.

LeBron was getting burned by Paul George, Lance Stephenson, even scrubs like Tyler Hansbrough and Boris Diaw.

People think he's staying in front of Michael Jordan?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Soundwave]

LeBron is a different type of player, he's 6'9 and like 50 pounds heavier.

It's like comparing a Hummer SUV to a Lamborghini, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but they're really not the same thing.

[no pun intended]

LeBron is a different type of player, he's 6'9 and like 50 pounds heavier.

It's like comparing a Hummer SUV to a Lamborghini, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but they're really not the same thing.
Yet the Lamborghini is worth more.

[Hoopz2332]

No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.


While agree lebron's first step was never in the Wade/Jordan level, you have to remember Lebron is much bigger/heavier than either (wtf @ the Iverson comparison:coleman: ) of those players so it shouldn't be be expected. Younger/slimmer Lebron had a great first step when you factor in his size. These are quick and powerful firstep baseline drives

LeBron baseline dunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n09eNvJnf8

LeBron James : A Monster Reverse Slam vs NYC (01.08.2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rbUEvV_d0

Lebron James MONSTER Dunk On the Mavericks 03-01-2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqD-JoDgKao

[f0und]

Another thing I've noticed is that he was a lot slicker off the ball than most of the other great SGs like Kobe and Wade. His defender was usually on skates whenever he caught the ball, and the defense wasn't settled enough to send a double right away. He was often playing one on one with a one-beat edge.

It wasn't this iso-ball; not nearly as much. MJ was much more likely to catch the ball in scoring position and immediately do something with it than Lebron, Wade, Kobe, T-Mac.

This isn't to say Jordan wouldn't dominate the ball or have his iso moments, or that Kobe's never run off a screen; but overal Jordan did much more to make the game easy for himself (easier than it already was) than his (less-talented) rivals did/do.

reminds me of an interview with an ex bulls player talking about jordan's game(think it was grant). how he did very little wasted movement. players today will do fancy dribbles, juke this way and that, go between the legs, etc. before fully engaging in an actual scoring move. when jordan catches the ball, he quickly decides what he wants to do. one dribble, pull up. one dribble, two long strides and lays it in. pump fake, one dribble, gets to the paint for a high pct shot.

[Dragonyeuw]

reminds me of an interview with an ex bulls player talking about jordan's game(think it was grant). how he did very little wasted movement. players today will do fancy dribbles, juke this way and that, go between the legs, etc. before fully engaging in an actual scoring move. when jordan catches the ball, he quickly decides what he wants to do. one dribble, pull up. one dribble, two long strides and lays it in. pump fake, one dribble, gets to the paint for a high pct shot.

The and-1 movement. Gives the defense time to setup and react to you while you put on a dribbling exhibition. As you describe Jordan was quick-strike, always having the defense on its heels.

[Greg Oden 50]

While agree lebron's first step was never in the Wade/Jordan level, you have to remember Lebron is much bigger/heavier than either (wtf @ the Iverson comparison:coleman: ) of those players so it shouldn't be be expected. Younger/slimmer Lebron had a great first step when you factor in his size. These are quick and powerful firstep baseline drives

LeBron baseline dunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n09eNvJnf8

LeBron James : A Monster Reverse Slam vs NYC (01.08.2005)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rbUEvV_d0

Lebron James MONSTER Dunk On the Mavericks 03-01-2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqD-JoDgKao

LEBRON'S COMPETITION IS WEAK,NO CENTER WILL CHALLENGE HIS DUNK LIKE ZO DID BEFORE :banana: NOWADAYS CENTER JUST KNOW LET HIM DUNK RATHER THAN CHALLENGE HIM :facepalm

[Greg Oden 50]

:roll: :roll:

Gordon Hayward with his handles, shooting, passing, rebounding, would have been Larry Bird type of player if he played in the 80s. Real talk


LEBRON PLAYS IN A ERA WITH ZERO QUAILTY CENTERS :roll:

[Greg Oden 50]

I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.

LBJ PLAYS IN A WEAKER ERA AND PROTECT DAVID STERN WITH THOSE UNCALLED TRAVELLED & OFFENSIVE FOUL :lol