I guess I was wrong: saturated fats are mostly okay, sugars are horrible substances.

[gigantes]

sugars and processed carbs spur inflammation across blood vessel walls, and cholesterol is a repair-agent for those emergencies.

medical science keeps measuring the cholesterol levels, but unless we measure arterial plaque, we're only getting a fraction of the story, apparently.

many studies keep coming out on this... here's yet another one:
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/truth-saturated-fats-190100033.html

so in other words, kevin was right, i was wrong. waaaaaaaaaaaa


i'll be in a shallow ditch for awhile, if anyone needs me. :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

:banana:
sugars and processed carbs spur inflammation across blood vessel walls, and cholesterol is a repair-agent for those emergencies.

medical science keeps measuring the cholesterol levels, but unless we measure arterial plaque, we're only getting a fraction of the story, apparently.

many studies keep coming out on this... here's yet another one:
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/truth-saturated-fats-190100033.html:banana:

so in other words, kevin was right, i was wrong. therefore, f--k you, kevinNYC.

:banana:
i'll be in a shallow ditch for awhile, if anyone needs me. :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites/default/files/images/yarnbomb.jpg

[K]

Cholesterol drugs have always been overrated, overhyped, and overused. But it's a big pharma cash cow so the FDA played right along with it.

[KevinNYC]

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[KevinNYC]

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[KevinNYC]

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[fiddy]

Good morning.

[KevinNYC]

So a group has actually started to bring rigorous scientific testing to nutrition studies.

http://nusi.org/

Nutrition studies are incredibly hard to do because you need control for so many variables.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

[JtotheIzzo]

What's with the f*ckin AIDS quilts?

[Cleverness]

http://theblogthatatemiami.com/files/2009/06/pepperoni-pizza.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6nDO1NobnwY/Tjc6Q6pRFFI/AAAAAAAAAM4/Fr8aq3mcgII/s320/IMG_2611.JPG

http://blog.nj.com/entertainment_impact_dining/2008/07/large_fried%20chicken%20042.jpg

:rockon:

[fiddy]

:rockon:
Two months later creates a thread " How to lose 100 pounds?"

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yeah, there are many advocates of Keto, Atkins, Bulletproof, Paleo, and certain Inuitesque tribes up north eat seal blubber

Only people who have a shot at hell at consuming large amounts of sugar are those without diabetes propensity and undergoing extreme exercise regimes like Phelps. And even then it has negative effects on your intestines IIRC

[Budadiiii]

You're a known idiot so no surprise you're just finding out about this common knowledge.

[gigantes]

sitting here on tab watching djoker - wawrinka... thx for the nusi thing. hmm...


Yeah, there are many advocates of Keto, Atkins, Bulletproof, Paleo, and certain Inuitesque tribes up north eat seal blubber

Only people who have a shot at hell at consuming large amounts of sugar are those without diabetes propensity and undergoing extreme exercise regimes like Phelps. And even then it has negative effects on your intestines IIRC
cool. i

[reppy]

Only thing I ****s with is raw, organic honey from local sources.

[KevinNYC]

What's with the f*ckin AIDS quilts?

None of those are AIDS quilts which usually have people names on them.

I'm a textile artist. It's how we get down.

[KevinNYC]

http://theblogthatatemiami.com/files/2009/06/pepperoni-pizza.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6nDO1NobnwY/Tjc6Q6pRFFI/AAAAAAAAAM4/Fr8aq3mcgII/s320/IMG_2611.JPG

http://blog.nj.com/entertainment_impact_dining/2008/07/large_fried%20chicken%20042.jpg

:rockon:

Unfortunately all those have both saturated fats with nutrient free refined flour and it's that combo that folks are starting to think causes the problem.

[Cleverness]

sugars and processed carbs spur inflammation across blood vessel walls, and cholesterol is a repair-agent for those emergencies.

medical science keeps measuring the cholesterol levels, but unless we measure arterial plaque, we're only getting a fraction of the story, apparently.

many studies keep coming out on this... here's yet another one:
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/truth-saturated-fats-190100033.html

so in other words, kevin was right, i was wrong. therefore, f--k you, kevinNYC.


i'll be in a shallow ditch for awhile, if anyone needs me. :facepalm

Kevin was right based on an article written by an RD? I'm sure you can find another article that says the complete opposite, written by an RD or MD/DO.

We could discuss details of how different types of sugars and fats are metabolized and so on, but here's why Americans aren't healthy:

1.) Inactivity. American adults watch more television than they work. And even they are working, they're sitting around most of the time. Yes, there are always exceptions, but count up the amount of time sitting around playing video games or watching television and compare that to the amount of exercise; you'll find that Americans are pretty lazy and don't want to exercise.

2.) Lack of sleep. Sleep is underrated.

3.) Diet. There are a million diets out there, each eliminating different macro-nutrients. The bottom line is, EAT LESS AND EXERCISE MORE. Which of the following do Americans eat too much of?

a. Carbohydrates
b. Fats
c. Proteins

While you can find an article for each of those things, possibly written by an RD/DPT/MD/etc, the answer is d-All of the above.

[gigantes]

Kevin was right based on an article written by an RD? I'm sure you can find another article that says the complete opposite, written by an RD or MD/DO.

We could discuss details of how different types of sugars and fats are metabolized and so on, but here's why Americans aren't healthy:

1.) Inactivity. American adults watch more television than they work. And even they are working, they're sitting around most of the time. Yes, there are always exceptions, but count up the amount of time sitting around playing video games or watching television and compare that to the amount of exercise; you'll find that Americans are pretty lazy and don't want to exercise.

2.) Lack of sleep. Sleep is underrated.

3.) Diet. There are a million diets out there, each eliminating different macro-nutrients. The bottom line is, EAT LESS AND EXERCISE MORE. Which of the following do Americans eat too much of?

a. Carbohydrates
b. Fats
c. Proteins

While you can find an article for each of those things, possibly written by an RD/DPT/MD/etc, the answer is d-All of the above.
uhhhhh... it seemed like a series of articles / studies published across the years arriving via the regular news fronts as well as sciencedaily.com, etc.

and yes, if i was more totally disciplined, i would be treating this stuff as a straight-ahead bertrand russell... but reality is... what you eat is pretty much part of your belief system. it takes patience and willpower to change it, and i'm not the strongest person out there. motherf--ker.

and yes, your points are right-on to me, but are of little real substance. they don't tell us anything new and they don't challenge the idea of keeping your glycemic level healthy as much as you reasonably can.

so bring it on, bro.

[Cleverness]

uhhhhh... it seemed like a series of articles / studies published across the years arriving via the regular news fronts as well as sciencedaily.com, etc.

and yes, if i was more totally disciplined, i would be treating this stuff as a straight-ahead bertrand russell... but reality is... what you eat is pretty much part of your belief system. it takes patience and willpower to change it, and i'm not the strongest person out there. motherf--ker.

and yes, your points are right-on to me, but are of little real substance. they don't tell us anything new and they don't challenge the idea of keeping your glycemic level healthy as much as you reasonably can.

so bring it on, bro.

Holy crap, my bad. I didn't even read the whole article until now.:(

It's a good article. I overreacted because I think we spend way too much time and money trying to figure out the little details of why Americans are so obese and forgetting about the big picture, which is what I originally wrote about.

[gigantes]

Holy crap, my bad. I didn't even read the whole article until now.:(

It's a good article. I overreacted because I think we spend way too much time and money trying to figure out the little details of why Americans are so obese and forgetting about the big picture, which is what I originally wrote about.
ah, okay. that's cool.

honestly, i don't mind (too much) being shown that i'm wrong. cuz i'm as much of an idiot as anyone... but would always prefer to know WHY i'm wrong, if possible. :lol

cheers, bro. :cheers:

[Meticode]

High Fructose Corn Syrup is the death of us. Also the more we get away from food being in it's natural state, the less nutrients and good protein and fiber we get from it. Everything today is highly processed.

[iamgine]

http://www.weightlossfoodlist.com/wp-content/uploads/Satiety-Index-Infographic.png

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://www.bangstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/df811631fb8dfbc8c4ddc5850a5dad9b.jpg
There is children freezing in Africa and these mother****ers are knitting sweaters for trains

[rufuspaul]

It's funny that the role of inflammation in disease is just now beginning to be understood. It's been known for decades that long-term low dose aspirin therapy has a significant effect on reducing heart disease, but no one really knew why. It was originally thought that the "blood-thinning" properties of aspirin were responsible but now it is believed it's due to aspirin's anti-inflammatory properties.

[alenleomessi]

i will need to have a serious health problems to stop eating bananas, french fries and cookies... but yeah every food on the internet is bad for you.. literally every food... but that doesnt stop fat f*cks from eating. yolo

[secund2nun]

Unfortunately all those have both saturated fats with nutrient free refined flour and it's that combo that folks are starting to think causes the problem.

Saturated fat does not cause any health problems. Many natives all around the world ate diets with extreme saturated fat and never had any cases of heart disease, obesity etc. The Inuits are one of many examples of it. The Inuits had a diet of 97% blubbery raw meat because of the lack of vegetation in the Arctic regions of the world.

All those foods in the picture are bad because they are refined and processed, full of chemical preservatives, GMO ingredients, and cooked instead of raw.

The saturated fat thing is a myth with no basis of reality. They want you sick (more $$) so they send you on a wild goose chase to worry about non harmful items like saturated fat while you eat processed chemical ridden GMO composed foods which is deemed healthy because it is low fat.

[Goldrush25]

It's been known for quite some time that saturated fats aren't the boogie-man nutrient that they've been made out to be. However, don't expect any mass awareness of it anytime soon. The government has made a concerted effort to back their cash cow (whole grains) while demonizing fats for that same cause.

[gigantes]

Saturated fat does not cause any health problems. Many natives all around the world ate diets with extreme saturated fat and never had any cases of heart disease, obesity etc. The Inuits and the Masai are one of many examples of it. The Inuits had a diet of 97% blubbery raw meat because of the lack of vegetation in the Artic regions of the world.

All those foods in the picture are bad because they are refined and processed, full of chemical preservatives, GMO ingredients, and cooked instead of raw.

The saturated fat thing is a myth with no basis of reality. They want you sick (more $$) so they send you on a wild goose chase to worry about non harmful items like saturated fat while you eat processed chemical ridden GMO composed foods which is deemed healthy because it is low fat.
i disagree with the bolded. fats provide more kcals than any other nutrient, and for the average person, you still want to get a good balance of different kinds of fats and nutrients... not go thinking that you can pig out on saturated fat or any other type and be perfectly fine.

and the inuits became adjusted to their diet over thousands or maybe tens of thousands of years. for most people, it would still be madness to eat that kind of diet.

[secund2nun]

i disagree with the bolded. fats provide more kcals than any other nutrient, and for the average person, you still want to get a good balance of different kinds of fats and nutrients... not go thinking that you can pig out on saturated fat or any other type and be perfectly fine.

and the inuits became adjusted to their diet over thousands or maybe tens of thousands of years. for most people, it would still be madness to eat that kind of diet.

Look into the research and you will come to the same conclusions. It is a modern myth that saturated fat causes heart disease. In fact, up until relatively recently no one blamed saturated fat for anything. It is propaganda by the FDA that caused this lie.

The Inuits are far from the only people. It is a world wide thing with people from all different races. Countless people all around the world have disproven the Saturated fat myth. In any continent you go to it is proven by the indigenous peoples of that country. In fact, even American researches who go up there and live on the traditional Inuit diet will experience the same health gains. Plenty of people from different races have documented their experiences living with the Inuits while on their traditional diet.

People became adjusted to high saturated fat diets. What do you think our ancestors ate? Hunter gatherers from all over the world naturally ate high saturated fat diets. We were all once hunter gatherers. Most of an animal is lined with saturated fat and most of the animal was eaten.

I myself have personally gone on a diet with extreme saturated fat before-- and my bad cholesterol went lower, my good cholesterol went higher, and I lost body fat. This is because I cut out all refined carbs.

The Maasai Africans have a diet that consists of butter and beef- and on this traditional diet they never had heart disease or obesity.

There is nothing wrong with saturated fat...as long as it is not refined...no different than how sugar from fruit is good for you but refined sugar is awful.

[gigantes]

@secund2nun,
i understand what you're getting at. agree with that up to a point, but only a point.

you're basically taking the disproven premise and then swinging it too far in the other direction in order to make your point. the non-specialised peoples of the world would not be able to eat a super-high saturated fat diet and not run in to health problems. that may or may not involved heart disease, but it's going to involve some disease.

the average person still needs a balance of nutrients and vitamins to support the complex needs of metabolism and biochemistry.

and man's natural state, i.e. hunter-gatherer, did NOT generally involve a diet high in saturated fat AFAIK. that doesn't really make any sense, anyway. the single biggest reason is probably this:

we already know that we have an intimate relationship with fruits and vegetables. they are shown to provide a range of health benefits, such as a spectrum of phyto-antioxidants, cleansing and healthy maintenance of the colon and bloodstream, and natural remedies for a range of parasites and medical conditions.

[secund2nun]

@secund2nun,
i understand what you're getting at. agree with that up to a point, but only a point.

you're basically taking the disproven premise and then swinging it too far in the other direction in order to make your point. the non-specialised peoples of the world would not be able to eat a super-high saturated fat diet and not run in to health problems. that may or may not involved heart disease, but it's going to involve some disease.

the average person still needs a balance of nutrients and vitamins to support the complex needs of metabolism and biochemistry.

and man's natural state, i.e. hunter-gatherer, did NOT generally involve a diet high in saturated fat AFAIK. that doesn't really make any sense, anyway. the single biggest reason is probably this:

we already know that we have an intimate relationship with fruits and vegetables. they are shown to provide a range of health benefits, such as a spectrum of phyto-antioxidants, cleansing and healthy maintenance of the colon and bloodstream, and natural remedies for a range of parasites and medical conditions.

There is so much research involving the "non specialized" people of the world on diets with very high saturated fat that disproves the bolded part. Heck, even I myself disproved it.

You say the Inuits resist the fat because they evolved that way, but what about the white American researchers who went on their diet and recorded their health gains? Should we not look into their experiences and research?

Also the modern diet is.....modern. Not that long ago in biological terms the people of Europe ate a hunter gatherer diet which is always high in saturated fat. In fact, large parts of Europe still eats a diet with high saturated fats.

People did not evolve on grain and chicken breasts. In nature meat, fruit, and veggies dominate. Most meat is full of saturated fat.

The hunter gather diet did in fact involve very high amounts of saturated fat. Look into what they ate. There is so much research of the "non specialized" disproving the saturated fat myth.

The Inuits had a healthy diet because they ate their meat raw and ate the Organs, which provide plently of vitamins and minerals.

But I do agree that fruit and veggies are very healthy. In fact, almost all of my diet consists of raw fruit and raw veggies. If I had access to raw organic meat I would consider eating it more, but I do think it is morally better to avoid meat.

[gigantes]

You say the Inuits resist the fat because they evolved that way, but what about the white American researchers who went on their diet and recorded their health gains? Should we not look into their experiences and research?
what examples did you have in mind?


...Not that long ago in biological terms the people of Europe ate a hunter gatherer diet which is always high in saturated fat. In fact, large parts of Europe still eats a diet with high saturated fats.
TBH you seem to have a belief system that a hunter-gatherer diet was high in saturated fat. but that still doesn't jibe with common sense or the most commonly-accepted theories i'm aware of.

the reality is that such a diet would have varied from place to place, depending on what was available. but in most temperate scenerios, fruits, vegetables, insects and the like would have been the most easily accessible foods. only the supplement of whatever animals could be caught would give the addition of high protein / fat beyond insects, and that STILL doesn't mean it was commonly a diet high in saturated fat.

the modern paleolithic diet which attempts to best mimic our traditional diet is not super high in saturated fats, either.


fish, grass-fed pasture raised meats, eggs, vegetables, fruit, fungi, roots, and nuts, and excludes grains, legumes, dairy products, potatoes, refined salt, refined sugar, and processed oils.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer_diet

[gigantes]

if you look at all our closest relatives, i.e. the 3-4 other great apes, they are all primarily fruit / vegetable eaters who variously supplement with a bit of meat from time to time.


also, animals who are primarily meat eaters have much shorter GI tracts than we do in order to eliminate more quickly, since meat is more volatile than plant matter. our own digestive tract suggests an omnivorous diet... heavy on plant matter like our relatives.

[rufuspaul]

Well since no one commented on my post I'll wish all y'all a nice stroke, years of vegetative existence and an early death.

jk

[falc39]

Take this in half-jest... I sometimes question the arguments of people who use the whole ancient diets is better for you and stuff. It definitely has some merit, but I think it's gone way overboard these days. I don't believe it will be our salvation.

Did you know back in the old ancient times, people had fresh water sources, organic-free range animals to hunt, organic nutrient rich vegetables from good soil, clean air, and no exposure to harmful pesticides....

great life right? yet they had an average lifespan of like 30 years!!!

life is cruel :)

[gigantes]

It's funny that the role of inflammation in disease is just now beginning to be understood. It's been known for decades that long-term low dose aspirin therapy has a significant effect on reducing heart disease, but no one really knew why. It was originally thought that the "blood-thinning" properties of aspirin were responsible but now it is believed it's due to aspirin's anti-inflammatory properties.
interesting, thank you. and for iamgine's chart. sorry for not replying. i meant to think more about that stuff and reply later.

stress... cortisols... processed grain diets... inflammation... rising higher and higher in the sights of medical / nutritional focus. :applause:

no, been trying to catch up with too much stuff today. probably shouldn't have gotten involved in this saturated fat debate.

[gigantes]

Take this in half-jest... I sometimes question the arguments of people who use the whole ancient diets is better for you and stuff. It definitely has some merit, but I think it's gone way overboard these days. I don't believe it will be our salvation.

Did you know back in the old ancient times, people had fresh water sources, organic-free range animals to hunt, organic nutrient rich vegetables from good soil, clean air, and no exposure to harmful pesticides....

great life right? yet they had an average lifespan of like 30 years!!!

life is cruel :)
half in jest... check. :cheers:

however... for one thing... the average of 30 years or whatnot may be quite a bit off.

those kinds of numbers are usually attributed to historical periods from our very short knowledge of the subject, which included many warlike periods and periods of dreadful sanitation and deliberately awful health practices, like much of the history of europe.

but man's most common state of existence across the millennia was likely a less-crowded state of tribes and clans, with an arsenal of plant medicinals, healthy grooming, bathing, sanitation, etc.

these people probably lived longer than the people who came later, had more free time, and probably had an experience of life every bit as interesting and fulfilling as ours. perhaps even much more so.

[RoTM]

Take this in half-jest... I sometimes question the arguments of people who use the whole ancient diets is better for you and stuff. It definitely has some merit, but I think it's gone way overboard these days. I don't believe it will be our salvation.

Did you know back in the old ancient times, people had fresh water sources, organic-free range animals to hunt, organic nutrient rich vegetables from good soil, clean air, and no exposure to harmful pesticides....

great life right? yet they had an average lifespan of like 30 years!!!

life is cruel :)

Paleo lifestyle is imo an attempt to mainstream a mutant form of keto by infringing on vegetarians turf. If you look at their propaganda 90% of it is focused on "health food", grass fed, natural, whatever toxic/chemical scare stuff that housewives buy into.

Ancient people were mostly eating fish, fat, and organ meat. Its pretty hard to hit daily calorie reqs with veg without modern staple crops.

[Cleverness]

It's funny that the role of inflammation in disease is just now beginning to be understood. It's been known for decades that long-term low dose aspirin therapy has a significant effect on reducing heart disease, but no one really knew why. It was originally thought that the "blood-thinning" properties of aspirin were responsible but now it is believed it's due to aspirin's anti-inflammatory properties.

Hmmm. At lose doses, it mainly has anti-platelet properties (inhibits COX-1) and no anti-inflammatory properties. Evidence shows that low dose aspirin decreases occurrence of stroke and MI, but I don't know of any anti-inflammatory properties of 81 mg aspirin...

Do you have any evidence of 81 mg aspirin use decreasing inflammation?

[Goldrush25]

Take this in half-jest... I sometimes question the arguments of people who use the whole ancient diets is better for you and stuff. It definitely has some merit, but I think it's gone way overboard these days. I don't believe it will be our salvation.

Did you know back in the old ancient times, people had fresh water sources, organic-free range animals to hunt, organic nutrient rich vegetables from good soil, clean air, and no exposure to harmful pesticides....

great life right? yet they had an average lifespan of like 30 years!!!

life is cruel :)

Modern medicine my friend.

Back then if you got a decent enough cut you died of infection. Pneumonia killed. Strep throat killed. Asthma killed. Giving birth killed. Tons of what we consider to be relatively innocuous diseases killed people back then. Not to mention all of the people that got mauled by wild animals.

Had nothing to do with their diets. I hear what you're saying though. We can take the best of both Paleo and modern diets and live a very fulfilling life.

[KevinNYC]

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/study-questions-fat-and-heart-disease-link/?_php=true&_type=blogs&hpw&rref=us&_r=0

[QUOTE]Many of us have long been told that saturated fat, the type found in meat, butter and cheese, causes heart disease. But a large and exhaustive new analysis by a team of international scientists found no evidence that eating saturated fat increased heart attacks and other cardiac events.

The new findings are part of a growing body of research that has challenged the accepted wisdom that saturated fat is inherently bad for you and will continue the debate about what foods are best to eat.

For decades, health officials have urged the public to avoid saturated fat as much as possible, saying it should be replaced with the unsaturated fats in foods like nuts, fish, seeds and vegetable oils.

But the new research, published on Monday in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, did not find that people who ate higher levels of saturated fat had more heart disease than those who ate less. Nor did it find less disease in those eating higher amounts of unsaturated fat, including monounsaturated fat like olive oil or polyunsaturated fat like corn oil.

[rufuspaul]

Hmmm. At lose doses, it mainly has anti-platelet properties (inhibits COX-1) and no anti-inflammatory properties. Evidence shows that low dose aspirin decreases occurrence of stroke and MI, but I don't know of any anti-inflammatory properties of 81 mg aspirin...

Do you have any evidence of 81 mg aspirin use decreasing inflammation?

It may have anti-inflammatory effects at 75 mg.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19597002

[shlver]

Makes sense really. Excess consumption of sugars and carbs results in high levels of insulin. Insulin signals and upregulates metabolic pathways involved with endogenous lipogenesis of LDL fatty acids.

[LBJ 23]

I myself have personally gone on a diet with extreme saturated fat before-- and my bad cholesterol went lower, my good cholesterol went higher, and I lost body fat. This is because I cut out all refined carbs.

.


No. It's because you burned more calories than you ate and you were in a deficit.

[gigantes]

Makes sense really. Excess consumption of sugars and carbs results in high levels of insulin. Insulin signals and upregulates metabolic pathways involved with endogenous lipogenesis of LDL fatty acids.
i read recently that even sugar substitutes promote insulin response, even though they don't cause the inflammation associated with sugar spikes.

in my own kitchen laboratory, i substituted dried cranberries and frozen berry mix in my morning steelcut oats and have been completely able to get away from the half splenda - half brown sugar mix i had been adding. in terms of sugar uptake, this is under the theory that sugar naturally-occurring in whole foods is more or less safe for regular consumption.

anyway, despite this new information about fats, my understanding is that whole foods and plant-based diets are still decisively healthier than processed / meaty diets.

[AlphaWolf24]

Banana's , Leafy Greens , ( very small portions of protein's found in insect/insect larva) and 30 - 60 min of swinging around exercise..get's you this..

http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u454/linnaeus1758/w6uskp.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oqUUMledpmw/UX6nAqMpt_I/AAAAAAAAAA0/dkyb7Jwg2I4/s1600/hairless-chimp.jpg


eating grass and Busting Nutz inside every hefer you see all day get's you this..

http://nwmtnman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/belgian-blue.jpeg


dedicate your whole life to weight training / steroid use.....and still look like this..

http://hurricanevanessa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/old-arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg




sucks to be a homo sapiens....top of the food chain and we bitch and moan about too much good food:confusedshrug:

[gigantes]

maybe ghee is okay.
https://www.yahoo.com/food/meet-ghee-the-butter-chefs-love-thats-also-good-for-84437752223.html


maybe it's the perfect way to turn butter in to a health food.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

giga my dude just look at ben greenfield and omar isufs youtube channel

they have it covered
i know its completely antithetical to your scientific method sherlock style but i drelaly can't disagree witha ny of their dietary choices

[gigantes]

i looked at greenfield's morning tour of his kitchen. lots of the same foods that i eat, like fresh ginger, garlic, avocado, lime, EVOO, chili, cabbage, arugala, coconut milk. i like how he makes his own pickles and stores things in glass. i don't go in for the raw cow's milk or flour products... i don't see the point.

in another video it looks like he's making green smoothies and raw juices. that sounds pretty good. i recently found out about vitamix juicers, which are different from usual juicers in that they don't discard the pulp. i think i'll get one, and give away my old juicers. l'chaim!

[riseagainst]

sugars aren't generally bad. Anything is good if your body needs it. Sugars are great right after a workout when your body is craving fast digestive carbs for that insulin spike.