Healthy 2014 Heat vs all-60s team

[Marchesk]

Yes, that includes Oden. It's a best of 7, alternate home games where you play by the rules of that era. Game 7 is first half 60s rules and second half modern. Teams have a month to prepare. Incetivize the players with a 1 mil each or death, if you prefer the stick approach. Red is the 60s coach.

Starters
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PG Oscar 6'5 220 (63 - 31.4/11/10, 1st team all-nba)
SG West 6'2 175 (64 - 40 ppg playoffs, 1st team all-nba)
SF Baylor 6'5 225 (61 - 38/19/5, 1st team all-nba)
PF Russell 6'9 225 (61 - 19/24/4.5, MVP)
C Chamberlain 7'1 280 (67 - 24/24/8, MVP)

Bench
--------------
PG Walt Frazier 6'4 200 (69, 21/6/8/51.8%, 1st team all-defensive)
SG/SF Havliceck 6'5 203 (70 - 29/9/7.5, 1st team all-nba)
SF Gus Johnson 6'6 230 (70 - 16 rpg, 1st team all-defensive)
PF Nate Thurmond 6'11 225 (67 - 21.5/20 - 1st team all-defensive)
C Lou Alcindor (69 - 29/14.5/4 - rookie of the year)


Even with a healthy Oden, the 60s team is going to dominate Miami inside. And they will have elite rim protectors at all times waiting for Lebron and Wade. If West can't handle Wade, then put Frazier in. Baylor (pre-knee injury) is obviously there for quick offense, with Havlicek and Johnson off the bench taking turns slowing Lebron down. If for some reason Lebron is causing them too much trouble, then Russell can guard him.

Now Miami can use spacing and the three point line (when they are the home team) to their advantage. Bosh can try to keep Russell or Thurmond away from the glass and protecting the rim with his mid-range game. But if the Heat try to go small ball, the Wilt/Kareem combo will just eat them alive. But that's going to happen anyway.

West will benefit from the 3 point line, and maybe I should include Rick Barry as the 11th man for that purpose.

Now you might say that the Heat can just run on the 60s team, but the 60s team played in a running era, and these are some of the best athletes from that time.

[SilkkTheShocker]

60s team wouldn't even be able to beat Miami's bench.

[Mr. Incredible]

Heat sweep. Next.

[Marchesk]

60s team wouldn't even be able to beat Miami's bench.

Just to make it fair, you can have a prime Wade and Oden at his healthiest/best. I kind of feel bad for taking the 60s players at their peaks (or close to it). Maybe should have just stated the all-67 team or something. I'd lose Kareem, but Bellamy could come in and provide scoring.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I got a closer one.

All ISH poster team vs. All-60s team

Who ya got?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I got a closer one.

All ISH poster team vs. All-60s team

Who ya got?

I'd still go with the ISH poster team.

[LosBulls]

I got a closer one.

All ISH poster team vs. All-60s team

Who ya got?
D'arryl Drain
Bruce Blitz
Coach Nick
Rafer Alston
CeltsGarlic

gg we got this.


OH and we also got the op for "Guess what guys...I had a quad season at the YMCA!
". I wonder what hes up to LMAO.

[CavaliersFTW]

You can't be serious. Your talking about a team with more talent than the 1992 Dream team vs the Heat and you want to get a serious discussion out of this? Your only going to attract trolls with this thread. Good luck with it, you won't get a single serious or reasonable response.

BTW... that's not even the way an all-60s team would look. Your starting 5 looks correct, your bench isn't though.

[Marchesk]

You can't be serious. Your talking about a team with more talent than the 1992 Dream team vs the Heat and you want to get a serious discussion out of this? Your only going to attract trolls with this thread. Good luck with it, you won't get a single serious or reasonable response.

That might be so, but there are posters on here who do act as if they think the 60s era was vastly inferior. You can't be sure to what extent they're trolling and to what extent they think that way.

So should I have just said the 67 Philly team against 2013 Miami during their winning streak?

[Haymaker]

C'mon, this is ridiculous. The oldtimers would toy with Miami.

[Marchesk]

BTW... that's not even the way an all-60s team would look. Your starting 5 looks correct, your bench isn't though.

I was just trying to find the best players to cause Miami's team trouble. I know that KAJ and Frazier wouldn't be on the all 60s team. But I am curious as to what your list would be.

[SilkkTheShocker]

60s basketball: where you get to dribble going left with your right hand and smoke cigarettes at halftime.

[CavaliersFTW]

Frazier is fine if you want a big defensive-minded backup PG, Havlicek and Pettit should be a lock on the bench as they can rotate in and Havlicek can play 2 or 3 and Petit can play both 4 or 5. Nobody else is really even needed after that cause they wouldn't get playing time. Bill and Wilt would have middle position on lock, no need to even have backups especially since Pettit can play both 4 and 5, but if you absolutely wanted one for the heck of it it should be either Thurmond or Alcindor but not both. Thurmond if you want defense, Alcindor if you want offense. Neither will likely get any minutes of playing time behind Wilt and Russell though.

Honestly you'd only need 7 guys to absolutely smear any team in the league right now though:

Robertson - who can rotate from 1-3
(Havlicek backup 2 and 3)
West - who can also rotate to PG
Baylor - who can play 2, 3 or 4
Russell - who can play 4 or 5
(Pettit bench 4 and 5)
Chamberlain - who can play ever minute of the game at the 5

[Psileas]

Come on, let's make it a bit fairer: Healthy 2014 Heat vs all-1962 Knicks (with a healthy Phil Jordon).

Who wins?

[SHAQisGOAT]

An actual nba team/roster vs an all-decade team isn't fare, even with that stacked team the Heat wouldn't really stand a chance.

[SamuraiSWISH]

D'arryl Drain
Bruce Blitz
Coach Nick
Rafer Alston
CeltsGarlic

gg we got this.


OH and we also got the op for "Guess what guys...I had a quad season at the YMCA!
". I wonder what hes up to LMAO.
Bruce Blitz?

Nikka I challenged him to one on one to post on his channel after he posted that embarrassing video of him playing one on one against his un-athletic friend on like an 8 foot rim.

We both live in Chicago, he was too chicken shit to accept the challenge.

[#number6ix#]

How bout the all-60s team vs the all-2000s team?

[Marchesk]

How bout the all-60s team vs the all-2000s team?

You get prime Shaq, Duncan and Kobe.

[CavaliersFTW]

You get prime Shaq, Duncan and Kobe.
Yeah, see that's finally fair. The Miami Heat aren't going to do anything but fold under the offense of prime Wilt, Pettit, Baylor, West and Robertson with Hondo jetting around off the ball - and the collective defensive effort that Wilt, Russell, West, and Havlicek would give you are as elite as anyone in history. The only teams that could theoretically be able to contend with an "all 60's" team has logically got to be some other all decade team. No regular NBA team would be able to touch the all 60's team.

[SamuraiSWISH]

60's team. Wilt and Russell alone would give Miami fits. Think about how close they came to defeat due to West / Hibbert and 37 year old Tim Duncan? Now imagine prime Wilt and Russell. Sodomy galore on Miami. Bosh and Haslem's colon would be sore after seeing Wilt the playoff choker, and Russell the 60's Ben Wallace.

In terms of the perimeter, Baylor / Oscar / West and LeBron / Wade / Chalmers cancel each other out. And that's being generous to LeBron and Oscar's underwhelming post season play, and vastly overrating Chalmers abilities in comparison to the playoff legend who raised his game in Mr. Logo.

[iamgine]

I think this would be a close game in which the old timers would win in game 6 or 7 because of their much superior big men and Miami starters get exhausted. The bench is a big factor in this matchup as Miami doesn't really have a good bench to match up so the starters are forced to play extended minutes.

Even a fully healthy Oden hasn't played basketball for a long time. With only a month, he's a non factor unless we give him time to train for a season or two. Even then Miami would need another big like Asik for when Oden gets tired.

[aj1987]

How bout the all-60s team vs the all-2000s team?
All '60's team:


Starters
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PG Oscar 6'5 220 (63 - 31.4/11/10, 1st team all-nba)
SG West 6'2 175 (64 - 40 ppg playoffs, 1st team all-nba)
SF Baylor 6'5 225 (61 - 38/19/5, 1st team all-nba)
PF Russell 6'9 225 (61 - 19/24/4.5, MVP)
C Chamberlain 7'1 280 (67 - 24/24/8, MVP)

Bench
--------------
PG Walt Frazier 6'4 200 (69, 21/6/8/51.8%, 1st team all-defensive)
SG/SF Havliceck 6'5 203 (70 - 29/9/7.5, 1st team all-nba)
SF Gus Johnson 6'6 230 (70 - 16 rpg, 1st team all-defensive)
PF Nate Thurmond 6'11 225 (67 - 21.5/20 - 1st team all-defensive)
C Lou Alcindor (69 - 29/14.5/4 - rookie of the year)

All '00's team:


Starters
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PG Jason Kidd
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lebron James
PF Tim Duncan
C Shaquille O'Neal

Bench
---------------
PG Steve Nash
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Dirk Nowitzki
PF Kevin Garnett
C Yao Ming

[CavaliersFTW]

All '60's team:


Starters
-------------
PG Oscar 6'5 220 (63 - 31.4/11/10, 1st team all-nba)
SG West 6'2 175 (64 - 40 ppg playoffs, 1st team all-nba)
SF Baylor 6'5 225 (61 - 38/19/5, 1st team all-nba)
PF Russell 6'9 225 (61 - 19/24/4.5, MVP)
C Chamberlain 7'1 280 (67 - 24/24/8, MVP)

Bench
--------------
PG Walt Frazier 6'4 200 (69, 21/6/8/51.8%, 1st team all-defensive)
SG/SF Havliceck 6'5 203 (70 - 29/9/7.5, 1st team all-nba)
SF Gus Johnson 6'6 230 (70 - 16 rpg, 1st team all-defensive)
PF Nate Thurmond 6'11 225 (67 - 21.5/20 - 1st team all-defensive)
C Lou Alcindor (69 - 29/14.5/4 - rookie of the year)

All '00's team:


Starters
-------------
PG Jason Kidd
SG Kobe Bryant
SF Lebron James
PF Tim Duncan
C Shaquille O'Neal

Bench
---------------
PG Steve Nash
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Dirk Nowitzki
PF Kevin Garnett
C Yao Ming

I'd like to make some corrections on player size, and what I think the all 60's team should look like:

PG: Oscar Robertson, 6-4.75 w/o shoes, 220lbs (peaked at 220, did not lift weights)
SG: Jerry West, 6-2.75 w/o shoes, 188lbs (6-9 armspan, played at 188lbs the majority of career, did not lift weights)
G/F: John Havlicek, 6-5 w/o shoes, 207lbs (always fluctuated between 203-207 for entire career has never specified if he'd desire to be heavier in the modern era so let's just go with 207lbs)
SF: Elgin Baylor, 6-5 w/o shoes, 236lbs (peaked at 236lbs, did not lift weights)
PF: Bob Pettit, 6-8.25 w/o shoes, 245lbs-260lbs (lifted weights entire career and peaked at 245 so he'd weigh at least as much, has actually specifically stated he'd try to play at 260 in this era)
PF/C: Bill Russell, 6-9.63 w/o shoes, 240lbs (7-4 armspan, peaked at 240 and has described himself as being 240 if matching up to other centers in the modern game)
C: Wilt Chamberlain, 7-1.06 w/o shoes, 292-310lbs (7-8 armspan, played majority of career at 290, peaked at 310, lifted weights entire career so would probably weigh the same today)

Those are the weights those guys played most of their careers at, peaked at, or have verbally expressed that they'd try to play at in the modern era. The weights I listed I feel, would more accurately reflect what they'd be playing at against bulkier teams of a more modern era.

Any other guys beyond those 7 are unnecessary, they wouldn't get minutes, that 7 man rotation is of the clear-cut top 7 guys and they could play any style of ball they wish and have as good a chance at dominating any other all decade team as anyone.

[CelticBaller]

Heat Vs D league all star team?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jerry West isn't 6'2, he was Kobe's height in 2008 when he presented him the MVP award, and people shrink once they reach old age. He wasn't 6'3. I'd say he was 6'4 to 6'6 with a very long wingspan. Comparable to Wade's physique and size actually.

[kNicKz]

Too much contact for the Heat , Lebron would join all 60's team at half time

[CavaliersFTW]

Jerry West isn't 6'2, he was Kobe's height in 2008 when he presented him the MVP award, and people shrink once they reach old age. He wasn't 6'3. I'd say he was 6'4 to 6'6 with a very long wingspan. Comparable to Wade's physique and size actually.
He definitely isn't as tall as Kobe, although he has looked close in height at times. Here is what I KNOW about West's height:

6-2 and 3/4 of an inch tall w/o shoes as a Junior in college
81 inch (6 foot 9 inches) wingspan, as per NBA article on rebounding from 1960's

He CLAIMS he is "a little over 6-4" any time he has ever been asked about his height during interviews.

My take on it? I think Jerry West is legitimately 6-2 and 3/4 of an inch tall w/o shoes on. I think with shoes on, he becomes about 6-4. And I think because modern NBA players inflate their list height, he has stood eye to eye or been a little taller than most "6-4" players who have come and gone through the years so he has convinced himself that he is "a little over 6-4" - but I still tend to think he's actually 6-2 and 3/4 w/o shoes.

As for Kobe, he's 6-4 and 3/4 of an inch tall, he said his wife vanessa measured him at that height, and I believe that is his genuine w/o shoes height. In most pictures he does look about 2 inches taller than Jerry West, though Jerry has a large upper body so it's not like Jerry looks small or undersized standing next to Kobe or any other modern SG for that matter.

[rmt]

I think any championship team with a dominant big man would give the 2013 Heat a run for its money eg. '99 Spurs team was not an "all-time great" team but DRob and TD would give the Heat fits.

[FreezingTsmoove]

People on this goddamn site act like basketball is such a ****ing hard game to play. A 60's superstar knows how to put the freaking ball in the hoop just as well as Lebron James you tards. Go outside and shoot a damn ball, play with some friends or something :facepalm

[FreezingTsmoove]

Roy Hibbert barely any offensive skill and he toyed with the Heat. Whatchu think Wilt would do? Put Roy Hibbert in the 60's no way he's dropping 50 a game

[mugiwara]

Bruce Blitz?

Nikka I challenged him to one on one to post on his channel after he posted that embarrassing video of him playing one on one against his un-athletic friend on like an 8 foot rim.

We both live in Chicago, he was too chicken shit to accept the challenge.

Hahaha who is he tryna fool? haha


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkVFAHqKDXM

[zoom17]

Roy Hibbert barely any offensive skill and he toyed with the Heat. Whatchu think Wilt would do? Put Roy Hibbert in the 60's no way he's dropping 50 a game

If the heat had a decent Center the series would have ended quicker.

[TonyMontana]

If Oden is guaranteed to be healthy and can play minutes of an elite player he's better than Bill Russell. He was the best bigman prospect since Tim Duncan for good reason.

The two best players on the 60s team, Wilt and Kareem won't even be able to play on the floor at the same time. Russell at the 4 is also a liability. The other center will have no spacing with him in there clogging the paint. Not to mention theres not a single 60s player with three point range on their shot. Maybe West, but he would be a joke in a shooting competition with Ray Allen. The Heat are packing the paint all day. Wilt/Kareem will get swarmed instantly without any spacing. With Oden protecting the rim, the 60s team won't be able to do shit.

We are also guaranteeing Wade to be healthy which puts him back on that 2011 level.

C-Greg Oden(the player he was meant to be)
F- Bosh
F- LeBron
G- Wade(THE REAL WADE)
G-Chalmers

Heat win. Oden is a beast defensively and Wilt/Kareem wont be able to abuse him enough to make up for the rest of the Heat stars dominating their counterparts.

[Jameerthefear]

If Oden is guaranteed to be healthy and can play minutes of an elite player he's better than Bill Russell. He was the best bigman prospect since Tim Duncan for good reason.

The two best players on the 60s team, Wilt and Kareem won't even be able to play on the floor at the same time. Russell at the 4 is also a liability. The other center will have no spacing with him in there clogging the paint. Not to mention theres not a single 60s player with three point range on their shot. Maybe West, but he would be a joke in a shooting competition with Ray Allen. The Heat are packing the paint all day. Wilt/Kareem will get swarmed instantly without any spacing. With Oden protecting the rim, the 60s team won't be able to do shit.

We are also guaranteeing Wade to be healthy which puts him back on that 2011 level.

C-Greg Oden(the player he was meant to be)
F- Bosh
F- LeBron
G- Wade(THE REAL WADE)
G-Chalmers

Heat win. Oden is a beast defensively and Wilt/Kareem wont be able to abuse him enough to make up for the rest of the Heat stars dominating their counterparts.
yeah ur dumb lol

[Marchesk]

If Oden is guaranteed to be healthy and can play minutes of an elite player he's better than Bill Russell. He was the best bigman prospect since Tim Duncan for good reason.

:facepalm No, just no. Oden was a very good prospect, but Russell is an elite all-time big. Most people have him in their top 5 GOAT list. And anyway, you don't get the next Hakeem, you get an Oden who can play and contribute solid minutes.

Here's what Russell was:

An elite rebounder. We're talking top 5 all-time.

An elite shot blocker. From all-accounts, he was on Wilt's level. So probably top 2 or 3 all-time.

An all-time great interior defender. Guess who got the job of slowing down prime scoring Wilt in the playoffs?

An excellent passing big man.

An excellent athlete - great leaper, fast, and he would try to outrun Wilt over the course of a game.

Better scorer than Rodman or Wallace. He didn't need to score as much on that Celtics team. But he did have a finals where he averaged 23.6 ppg.

And of course, his teams almost always won.

So a healthy Greg Oden playing as many minutes as you like isn't close to Russell. I have no idea what a healthy Oden career-wise would have been, but Russell is an all-time great big.

[CavaliersFTW]

:facepalm No, just no. Oden was a very good prospect, but Russell is an elite all-time big. Most people have him in their top 5 GOAT list. And anyway, you don't get the next Hakeem, you get an Oden who can play and contribute solid minutes.

Here's what Russell was:

An elite rebounder. We're talking top 5 all-time.

An elite shot blocker. From all-accounts, he was on Wilt's level. So probably top 2 or 3 all-time.

An all-time great interior defender. Guess who got the job of slowing down prime scoring Wilt in the playoffs?

An excellent passing big man.

An excellent athlete - great leaper, fast, and he would try to outrun Wilt over the course of a game.

Better scorer than Rodman or Wallace. He didn't need to score as much on that Celtics team. But he did have a finals where he averaged 23.6 ppg.

And of course, his teams almost always won.

So a healthy Greg Oden playing as many minutes as you like isn't close to Russell. I have no idea what a healthy Oden career-wise would have been, but Russell is an all-time great big.
Don't forget, Russell is also the greatest defensive player in the history of the game - his defensive impact on his team, even when counting his shot block and steals stats as ZERO is still higher than anyone else all time.

[TonyMontana]

:facepalm No, just no. Oden was a very good prospect, but Russell is an elite all-time big. Most people have him in their top 5 GOAT list. And anyway, you don't get the next Hakeem, you get an Oden who can play and contribute solid minutes.

Here's what Russell was:

An elite rebounder. We're talking top 5 all-time.

An elite shot blocker. From all-accounts, he was on Wilt's level. So probably top 2 or 3 all-time.

An all-time great interior defender. Guess who got the job of slowing down prime scoring Wilt in the playoffs?

An excellent passing big man.

An excellent athlete - great leaper, fast, and he would try to outrun Wilt over the course of a game.

Better scorer than Rodman or Wallace. He didn't need to score as much on that Celtics team. But he did have a finals where he averaged 23.6 ppg.

And of course, his teams almost always won.

So a healthy Greg Oden playing as many minutes as you like isn't close to Russell. I have no idea what a healthy Oden career-wise would have been, but Russell is an all-time great big.

I've seen tape of Russell and hes a slightly better rebounding Joakim Noah. Now Joakim Noah is a top 10 player in the NBA right now, so it's not a big knock. There isn't one thing other than rebounding that he appears to be significantly better at. Feel free to name something

Bill Russell averaged 15 PPG on 44% shooting. TERRIBLE offensively for a center and translated to today he isn't even hitting double digit scoring. His rebounds would be around 12-14 per game.

And again, all of his "advantages" would be useless playing next to a guy like Wilt who already does all of that. He would do more harm than good seeing as how he'd hamper Wilt/Kareems game offensively.

The topic is assuming one is healthy. Greg Oden would be the best big in the league right now if he never had injuries. He wouldn't be Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem, but we are still talking about a 7 footer who'd put up at least 18/12 and give you elite play on BOTH ends of the court. And he's 25 years old, the prime of his career. This also puts Bosh at the 4. Oden is the PERFECT fit in the frontcourt next to Bosh. He plays elite defense, elite rebounding, plays inside while Bosh stretches the defense and is no longer relied upon to guard the centers anymore.

[SamuraiSWISH]

We are also guaranteeing Wade to be healthy which puts him back on that 2011 level.
I thought Wade sucked?

I thought you were convinced LeBron had it more rough than in Cleveland by joining Bosh and Wade?

:oldlol:

[TonyMontana]

I thought Wade sucked?

I thought you were convinced LeBron had it more rough than in Cleveland by joining Bosh and Wade?

:oldlol:

A healthy 2011 style Wade is good.

2013 beaten up Wade is terrible and a liability on the court more often than not. Amazing that LeBron won two consecutive championships without a frontcourt and one of the worst 2nd options of any NBA Finals winner in history.

[SamuraiSWISH]

A healthy 2011 style Wade is good.

2013 beaten up Wade is terrible and a liability on the court more often than not. Amazing that LeBron won two consecutive championships without a frontcourt and one of the worst 2nd options of any NBA Finals winner in history.
You're full of shit though. LeBron is a coward, he needed and wanted to join that 2011 / 2012 Wade to win. That MVP, top five caliber player.

2013 Wade was beaten up, inconsistent, @ 65% of his abilities he was still a better second option than virtually anyone in the league or eastern conference. The guy you claimed was less important than Chris Anderson.

LeBron in 2013 took advantage of a historically weak playoffs and Finals opponents.

[TonyMontana]

You're full of shit though. LeBron is a coward, he needed and wanted to join that 2011 / 2012 Wade to win. That MVP, top five caliber player.

2013 Wade was beaten up, inconsistent, @ 65% of his abilities he was still a better second option than virtually anyone in the league or eastern conference. The guy you claimed was less important than Chris Anderson.

LeBron in 2013 took advantage of a historically weak playoffs and Finals opponents.

Jordan had to play with the second best perimeter player of his era in order to win titles. You think what LeBron did was pathetic, yet your ok with Jordan/Pippen, the two most talented perimeter players in the league playing together and winning titles? :oldlol:

There are two differences.
-Jordan didn't have to leave his team to find that guy. He had a competant front office and elite coaching from Phil "11 rings" Jackson.
-Jordan had Pippen for the entire duration of his prime. LeBron had "MVP", "top five caliber player" Wade for only one season. :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

samurai are you really arguing with tony? dude is straight up mental.

[LAZERUSS]

I'm supposed to believe that the 6-11 Oden (he was NOT 7-0), who averaged a 16-12 in high school, and a 16-10 in college, and has never amounted to anything in the NBA, would be stopping Kareem and Wilt? Those guys, in their 60's, would have crushed him (and they were probably in better physical condition at that time, too.)

My god, where do you people come from?

[TonyMontana]

samurai are you really arguing with tony? dude is straight up mental.

Jealous that Samurai can actually debate basketball while your left in the corner with your Sailor Moon porn? :oldlol:

I see you in every thread I post in, and have yet to see you contribute anything to the discussion. Stick to the Offcourt lounge and ask those guys there how you can hide your anime porn from your dad.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311264

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[LAZERUSS]

According to some posters here, the teams of the WNBA would beat the NBA teams of the 60's.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan had to play with the second best perimeter player of his era in order to win titles. You think what LeBron did was pathetic, yet your ok with Jordan/Pippen, the two most talented perimeter players in the league playing together and winning titles? :oldlol:

There are two differences.
-Jordan didn't have to leave his team to find that guy. He had a competant front office and elite coaching from Phil "11 rings" Jackson.
-Jordan had Pippen for the entire duration of his prime. LeBron had "MVP", "top five caliber player" Wade for only one season. :oldlol:
Difference?

Jordan molded Pippen into a derivative version of himself. It took years before he was good enough.

Wade was MVP caliber when they joined up. Wade even in 2012 gave the Heat 22/6/5 ...

:oldlol:

The two best perimeter players individually.

Pippen was the best perimeter player in the league in '94 and '95, MAYBE ... and then he wasn't.

MJ came back, and new players developed. Bosh a perennial all star, not Grant or Rodman. Niche role players. Bosh was a franchise cornerstone.

LeBron needed 2x franchise players to win, and given his playing style reduced their production in the process.

[TonyMontana]

I'm supposed to believe that the 6-11 Oden (he was NOT 7-0), who averaged a 16-12 in high school, and a 16-10 in college, and has never amounted to anything in the NBA, would be stopping Kareem and Wilt? Those guys, in their 60's, would have crushed him (and they were probably in better physical condition at that time, too.)

My god, where do you people come from?

Odens enough to make them work, and with the nonexistant spacing of the 60s team, the quickness of the Miami defense would be able to surround them as soon as they caught an entry pass. Odens frame is more than enough to deny them the deep position.

[Jameerthefear]

Jealous that Samurai can actually debate basketball while your left in the corner with your Sailor Moon porn? :oldlol:

I see you in every thread I post in, and have yet to see you contribute anything to the discussion. Stick to the Offcourt lounge and ask those guys there how you can hide your anime porn from your dad.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311264

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Your father must be proud.

Jordan and his small dick which has been exposed in this thread cannot hold a candle to the monster LeBron is packing. Here is a photo of him celebrating the championship in a Miami club

http://oi44.tinypic.com/a4v56s.jpg

That is flacid btw
grown ass man too.

[Marchesk]

Any other guys beyond those 7 are unnecessary, they wouldn't get minutes, that 7 man rotation is of the clear-cut top 7 guys and they could play any style of ball they wish and have as good a chance at dominating any other all decade team as anyone.

I'd worry about Baylor defending Lebron and I'm not sure with West on Wade. West was an excellent defender, but healthy Wade can get past most defenders. Of course, the 60s teams has two rim protectors, so maybe it's not that big of a deal?

The other thing is that even though those guys played all those minutes back then, it probably is more effective to give a guy a few minutes on the bench, when you have someone nearly as good coming in to spell them.

But maybe it wouldn't matter against Miami? Now if Shaq were involved, you might want that second center.

And finally, it might be nice to have a second guy with range to take advantage of the three point line. I'm guessing Rick Barry had that range.

[LAZERUSS]

Odens enough to make them work, and with the nonexistant spacing of the 60s team, the quickness of the Miami defense would be able to surround them as soon as they caught an entry pass. Odens frame is more than enough to deny them the deep position.

Actually the "non-existant" spacing of the 60's would be an advantage for both Wilt and Kareem, in this era. With 3pt shooters spreading the floor, those two would have a field day against the modern defenses. Hell, Wilt was the most heavily-defended, and brutalized player in NBA history. And, if Wilt would be allowed to play like Shaq did in the late 90's, and early 00's, he would just run right over a helpless Oden, like a mack truck. Of course, Oden would probably last one play, and then he would be carted off to emergency.

[tpols]

Odens enough to make them work, and with the nonexistant spacing of the 60s team, the quickness of the Miami defense would be able to surround them as soon as they caught an entry pass. Odens frame is more than enough to deny them the deep position.
Bill Russell could have been an olympic track and field athlete and you have the balls to say Oden could nuetralize him.. the dude with glass for knees with almost no mobility. Compared to the most mobile, hustling, highest energy defense and rebounding machine that is Bill Russell. He would literally eat Oden alive with his passing, rebounding, and yes scoring and on the flip side hed make Roy Hibbert and 38 yr old Tim Duncans rim defense on Lebron look like baby shit.

Dude would get pysched out so quick having to meet Russell in the paint possession after possession.

[LAZERUSS]

Odens enough to make them work, and with the nonexistant spacing of the 60s team, the quickness of the Miami defense would be able to surround them as soon as they caught an entry pass. Odens frame is more than enough to deny them the deep position.

A 38-39 year old Kareem, and just a shell of an early 70's KAJ, averaged 33 ppg, on .621 shooting against a 22-23 year old Hakeem. And I'm supposed to believe that the stiff-legged Oden could guard a 23 year old KAJ? My god, Oden would pull up lame trying to defend the first skyhook.

[Marchesk]

A 38-39 year old Kareem, and just a shell of an early 70's KAJ, averaged 33 ppg, on .621 shooting against a 22-23 year old Hakeem. And I'm supposed to believe that the stiff-legged Oden could guard a 23 year old KAJ? My god, Oden would pull up lame trying to defend the first skyhook.

Who are your top 5 centers all-time in order?

[TonyMontana]

Difference?

Jordan molded Pippen into a derivative version of himself. It took years before he was good enough.

Wade was MVP caliber when they joined up. Wade even in 2012 gave the Heat 22/6/5 ...

:oldlol:

The two best perimeter players individually.

Pippen was the best perimeter player in the league in '94 and '95, MAYBE ... and then he wasn't.

MJ came back, and new players developed. Bosh a perennial all star, not Grant or Rodman. Niche role players. Bosh was a franchise cornerstone.

LeBron needed 2x franchise players to win, and given his playing style reduced their production in the process.

Chris Bosh a franchise player?

http://expresswithgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Laughing-Sirius-Dj.gif

Pippen had a strong chance at leading the Bulls to a title in 1994 if the refs didn't screw them over in the Knicks series. Pippen had by far his best year without Jordan. But sure, without Jordan Pippen was nothing. :oldlol:

Want to compare them without the other? Sure. Pippen has the better career regular season record and postseason record. His only losing season in the NBA was his final year with the Bulls where he missed the majority of the year and he served as a mentor to the Baby Bulls. :oldlol:

Jordan meanwhile had 5 losing seasons, missed the playoffs twice, and an impressive 1-9 playoff record.

And you want to compare this to LeBron leading Cleveland scrubs to deep runs every year and being undefeated in the first round? :oldlol: Jordan never had a single winning season without Pippen let alone a championship buddy. Just think about that for a moment and let your brain process it.

[MaxFly]

Yes, that includes Oden. It's a best of 7, alternate home games where you play by the rules of that era. Game 7 is first half 60s rules and second half modern. Teams have a month to prepare. Incetivize the players with a 1 mil each or death, if you prefer the stick approach. Red is the 60s coach.

Starters
-------------
PG Oscar 6'5 220 (63 - 31.4/11/10, 1st team all-nba)
SG West 6'2 175 (64 - 40 ppg playoffs, 1st team all-nba)
SF Baylor 6'5 225 (61 - 38/19/5, 1st team all-nba)
PF Russell 6'9 225 (61 - 19/24/4.5, MVP)
C Chamberlain 7'1 280 (67 - 24/24/8, MVP)

Bench
--------------
PG Walt Frazier 6'4 200 (69, 21/6/8/51.8%, 1st team all-defensive)
SG/SF Havliceck 6'5 203 (70 - 29/9/7.5, 1st team all-nba)
SF Gus Johnson 6'6 230 (70 - 16 rpg, 1st team all-defensive)
PF Nate Thurmond 6'11 225 (67 - 21.5/20 - 1st team all-defensive)
C Lou Alcindor (69 - 29/14.5/4 - rookie of the year)


Even with a healthy Oden, the 60s team is going to dominate Miami inside. And they will have elite rim protectors at all times waiting for Lebron and Wade. If West can't handle Wade, then put Frazier in. Baylor (pre-knee injury) is obviously there for quick offense, with Havlicek and Johnson off the bench taking turns slowing Lebron down. If for some reason Lebron is causing them too much trouble, then Russell can guard him.

Now Miami can use spacing and the three point line (when they are the home team) to their advantage. Bosh can try to keep Russell or Thurmond away from the glass and protecting the rim with his mid-range game. But if the Heat try to go small ball, the Wilt/Kareem combo will just eat them alive. But that's going to happen anyway.

West will benefit from the 3 point line, and maybe I should include Rick Barry as the 11th man for that purpose.

Now you might say that the Heat can just run on the 60s team, but the 60s team played in a running era, and these are some of the best athletes from that time.

This isn't a fair faceoff...

[TonyMontana]

Actually the "non-existant" spacing of the 60's would be an advantage for both Wilt and Kareem, in this era. With 3pt shooters spreading the floor, those two would have a field day against the modern defenses. Hell, Wilt was the most heavily-defended, and brutalized player in NBA history. And, if Wilt would be allowed to play like Shaq did in the late 90's, and early 00's, he would just run right over a helpless Oden, like a mack truck. Of course, Oden would probably last one play, and then he would be carted off to emergency.

Which player on that 60s roster is "spacing the floor"? That is a problem with the 60s roster and something this Heat squad would feast on. You will see the paint packed at all times.

Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor are no threats beyond 15 feet. Jerry West is the only one who has range, and he is a joke compared to modern marksmen.

[LAZERUSS]

Who are your top 5 centers all-time in order?

Depends...

1. Wilt
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Shaq

5. Then either Duncan, or Moses. And before someone questions Moses, he was just demolishing his peers for a span of about 7-8 seasons, including KAJ, Gilmore, Parish, you name it. Only a prime Chamberlain, and a prime Shaq were as dominant in a stretch against their peers (completely dominating them all.) Not even a prime Kareem could make that claim (hell, Thurmond and an old Wilt were outplaying him.)

[LAZERUSS]

Which player on that 60s roster is "spacing the floor"? That is a problem with the 60s roster and something this Heat squad would feast on. You will see the paint packed at all times.

Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor are no threats beyond 15 feet. Jerry West is the only one who has range, and he is a joke compared to modern marksmen.

Read up on Jerry Lucas. Look up the term "Lucas Layup." And you don't think players like Rick Barry, or Jerry West would have been capable of 3pt shooting? Hell, look up Pete Maravich's 3pt shooting. Had the NBA had a three-point line in his prime, he probably would have had seasons of 35 ppg.

[Marchesk]

Which player on that 60s roster is "spacing the floor"? That is a problem with the 60s roster and something this Heat squad would feast on. You will see the paint packed at all times.

Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor are no threats beyond 15 feet. Jerry West is the only one who has range, and he is a joke compared to modern marksmen.

First of all, remember the rules. It alternates between 60s and modern rules. So you don't get the three point line for half of the series.

Secondly, I'm not sure why West as an outside shooter is a joke compared to say Ray Allen. Obviously, he had no incentive to line up from three point distance on a regular basis, but he did shoot considerably over the league average for his career. He was 47.4% shooter in an era where they were shooting around 42% or so. West had a season where he averaged 31 ppg on 49.7% shooting. He had a finals against the Celtics were he averaged 34 ppg on 51.5% shooting

Now I don't know how many of those were 15+ feet.

[TonyMontana]

Read up on Jerry Lucas. Look up the term "Lucas Layup." And you don't think players like Rick Barry, or Jerry West would have been capable of 3pt shooting? Hell, look up Pete Maravich's 3pt shooting. Had the NBA had a three-point line in his prime, he probably would have had seasons of 35 ppg.

They've shown me nothing to put them on par with the shooting of guys like Mike Miller and Ray Allen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKk092NupI

And this isn't just one guy on a hot streak. This is how modern shooters shoot. Search any video of a high profile shooter warming up/practicing. 95%+ success rate in practice from range the 60s players could only dream of.


First of all, remember the rules. It alternates between 60s and modern rules. So you don't get the three point line for half of the series.

Secondly, I'm not sure why West as an outside shooter is a joke compared to say Ray Allen. Obviously, he had no incentive to line up from three point distance on a regular basis, but he did shoot considerably over the league average for his career. He was 47.4% shooter in an era where they were shooting around 42% or so. West had a season where he averaged 31 ppg on 49.7% shooting. He had a finals against the Celtics were he averaged 34 ppg on 51.5% shooting

Now I don't know how many of those were 15+ feet.

There is a huge gap between perimeter players today to the 60s. Since god given size and length are some of the most important things for bigmen their skillsets translate better.

When you look at ball handling and shooting skills between the modern guards and the 60s guards...its not even a comparison. Look at the best ball handlers/shooters then....and look at them today... no comparison.

[MavsSuperFan]

Heat would sweep. Not a competitive series.

[LAZERUSS]

They've shown me nothing to put them on par with the shooting of guys like Mike Miller and Ray Allen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKk092NupI

And this isn't just one guy on a hot streak. This is how modern shooters shoot. Search any video of a high profile shooter warming up/practicing. 95%+ success rate in practice from range the 60s players could only dream of.



There is a huge gap between perimeter players today to the 60s. Since god given size and length are some of the most important things for bigmen their skillsets translate better.

When you look at ball handling and shooting skills between the modern guards and the 60s guards...its not even a comparison. Look at the best ball handlers/shooters then....and look at them today... no comparison.

It's too bad we don't have more footag of the players of the 60's. But I attended a game in the 70's, in which, during the pre-gme shoot-around, Lucas hit some 20 straight shots from between the circles...or around 25 ft.

And in game one of the '72 Finals, Lucas was hitting shots from the 405 freeway...going 9-11 before Chamberlan finally went out on him, and shut him down the rest of the series (while dominating the glass and blocking over 7 shots per game in that series....and the Knicks were an outside shooting team.)

ball-handling better today???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

As for pure shooting...probably none greater than Wilfred Hetzel, who was shooting as far back as the 30's...and couldn't even make an NBA team...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1083519/

[#number6ix#]

Stupid thread how is a regular team suppose to compete against a team comprised of the best players from a decade... Please name a team that could win a series against any all decade team

[Marchesk]

Stupid thread how is a regular team suppose to compete against a team comprised of the best players from a decade... Please name a team that could win a series against any all decade team

I think the all-50s team would be pushing it. Stupid though it may be, you do have posters arguing that the Heat would win.

[KG215]

I've got him on ignore, but going by his quoted posts, is TonyMontana actually arguing that LeBron and the Heat would beat a team consisting of 6 or 7 players among the 10-20 best to ever play the game?

I mean I get the whole "no team chemistry, can't just throw stars together and win, etc." side of the argument, but really? Guess it shouldn't be a surprise since he also thinks Bill Russell would just be Ben Wallace in today's NBA.

[CavaliersFTW]

I think the all-50s team would be pushing it. Stupid though it may be, you do have posters arguing that the Heat would win.
No... they are TROLLING that the Heat would win, not one person trolling about a normal team winning against that all decade team has made any semblance of a good argument, because quite frankly there is none. That's why I couldn't believe you even made this thread - there's no possible way you could make this thread and think anything legitimate would come out of it I actually think your just trolling by even making it. Anyone who even thinks a 50's all decade team wouldn't beat the heat is also just unaware how good the top players of the 50's were. Your front court is still gonna be Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Elgin Baylor and that alone would absolutely shred the Heat's weak front line. The 50's wasn't AS deep as the 60's team because the 60's happens to be one of the most well rounded and dominant all-decade teams one could have but it would still massacre any normal NBA team.

[#number6ix#]

I've got him on ignore, but going by his quoted posts, is TonyMontana actually arguing that LeBron and the Heat would beat a team consisting of 6 or 7 players among the 10-20 best to ever play the game?

I mean I get the whole "no team chemistry, can't just throw stars together and win, etc." side of the argument, but really? Guess it shouldn't be a surprise since he also thinks Bill Russell would just be Ben Wallace in today's NBA.
Yeah that guy's a idiot.

[#number6ix#]

I think the all-50s team would be pushing it. Stupid though it may be, you do have posters arguing that the Heat would win.
Yeah your right about the all-50s team... Just curious which all-decade team do you think would be the best starting from the 60s up until the 2000s

[TonyMontana]

It's too bad we don't have more footag of the players of the 60's. But I attended a game in the 70's, in which, during the pre-gme shoot-around, Lucas hit some 20 straight shots from between the circles...or around 25 ft.

And in game one of the '72 Finals, Lucas was hitting shots from the 405 freeway...going 9-11 before Chamberlan finally went out on him, and shut him down the rest of the series (while dominating the glass and blocking over 7 shots per game in that series....and the Knicks were an outside shooting team.)

ball-handling better today???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

As for pure shooting...probably none greater than Wilfred Hetzel, who was shooting as far back as the 30's...and couldn't even make an NBA team...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1083519/

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

Take note that this is Bob Cousy, the greatest point guard of that era. I could put up a Jason Williams mix to your Pistole Pete one and it'd be just as impressive. Keep in mind Jason Williams AT BEST was an average NBA point guard, not a star like Pistol. Hell I could put up mixes of some And1 nobodies and their handles would blow anyone from the 60s out of the water.

As for the Jerry Lucas shooting display I'm sure they were capable of it. I just don't think their on par with modern shooters since it is a key ingredient to their practice routines and the reason why some of these guys have a job. In a game of the 60s players vs the current Heat, the Heats advantage in shooting and spacing would be HUGE.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah your right about the all-50s team... Just curious which all-decade team do you think would be the best starting from the 60s up until the 2000s
No he isn't actually, he seems naive about that decade. And so do you.

[Marchesk]

I mean I get the whole "no team chemistry, can't just throw stars together and win, etc." side of the argument, but really?

Nobody has argued that yet in favor of the Heat.


I've got him on ignore, but going by his quoted posts, is TonyMontana actually arguing that LeBron and the Heat would beat a team consisting of 6 or 7 players among the 10-20 best to ever play the game?

He's arguing that the Heat would be able to pack the paint because only West is a threat beyond 15 feet, and Russell would be a poor compliment to Wilt or Kareem. Also, Tony is of the opinion that the 60s perimeter players were not nearly as skilled as modern players when it comes to dribbling or shooting. So I'm guessing he thinks the Heat could turn the 60s back court over a lot.

To be fair to him, I don't think Montanna is trolling in this thread. He did say that the bigs would translate to the modern era, but then he also said that a healthy Oden > Russell. That is, a healthy Oden over his entire career.

[Marchesk]

No... they are TROLLING that the Heat would win, not one person trolling about a normal team winning against that all decade team has made any semblance of a good argument, because quite frankly there is none.

There are people who think the 60s was a weak era and that maybe only a few players like Wilt could be good in today's league. So they might think an all-star team from that decade would lose to the Heat.

I guarantee you that number of skeptics goes up with a 50s team, although I forgot Wilt and Baylor entered the league in that decade.

[LAZERUSS]

The 2012-13 NBA shot .753 from the FT line.

The 1958-59 NBA shot .756 from the FT line.

The 2012-13 Heat shot .754 from the FT line.

The 1958-59 Celtics shot .766 from the FT line.

[TonyMontana]

No... they are TROLLING that the Heat would win, not one person trolling about a normal team winning against that all decade team has made any semblance of a good argument, because quite frankly there is none. That's why I couldn't believe you even made this thread - there's no possible way you could make this thread and think anything legitimate would come out of it I actually think your just trolling by even making it. Anyone who even thinks a 50's all decade team wouldn't beat the heat is also just unaware how good the top players of the 50's were. Your front court is still gonna be Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Bob Pettit and Elgin Baylor and that alone would absolutely shred the Heat's weak front line. The 50's wasn't AS deep as the 60's team because the 60's happens to be one of the most well rounded and dominant all-decade teams one could have but it would still massacre any normal NBA team.

Ah the classic "call someone a troll" card when you have nothing to counter their argument. :oldlol:

Healthy Oden is huge. Best bigman prospect since Tim Duncan and he is given guaranteed health(the one thing limiting him)? You suddenly have prime LeBron(arguably the best player ever), HEALTHY Wade(back to elite status), on top of Oden who would be the best bigman in the current NBA if healthy. Bosh is perfect next to Oden in the frontcourt. Chalmers provides quality defense, and shooting to space the floor. This is a perfect team.

Not to mention that 60s team is incredibly flawed in terms of spacing. This would be a blowout in favor of Miami.


The 2012-13 NBA shot .753 from the FT line.

The 1958-59 NBA shot .756 from the FT line.

The 2012-13 Heat shot .754 from the FT line.

The 1958-59 Celtics shot .766 from the FT line.

Whos talking about free throw percentage?

Put up FG% at least, but what I'm really interested in is FG% beyond 20 feet.

[LAZERUSS]

There are people who think the 60s was a weak era and that maybe only a few players like Wilt could be good in today's league. So they might think an all-star team from that decade would lose to the Heat.

I guarantee you that number of skeptics goes up with a 50s team, although I forgot Wilt and Baylor entered the league in that decade.

In Wilt's very first NBA game, in 1959, he scored 43 points, on 17-27 shooting, with 28 rebounds, and an estimated 17 blocked shots.

You could probably find articles as far back as the mid-to-late 50's which had already proclaimed Wilt as the best center in the game...and before he even stepped on an NBA floor.

An as late as 1969, Wilt was hanging games of 60 and 66 points (on 29-35 shooting.) Even as late as 71-72, Wilt hung a 31-31 game on 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier.

[Sharmer]

Wilt was tired for most games because he would smash too much ***** the night before, the guy could have had a career average of 40 easy.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt was tired for most games because he would smash too much ***** the night before, the guy could have had a career average of 40 easy.

You might be right...but I always found it fascinating that a 35 year old Wilt just ran a 25 year old Kareem into the ground in the 4th quarter of the clinching game six win in the '72 WCF's. A Kareem who had led the NBA in mpg that season, and was in marvelous shape, himself.

And one of the many amazing Wilt stats...in his 160 post-season games, he averaged... 47.2 mpg. Hell, in his very last post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games, he averaged 47.1 mpg.

[Rose'sACL]

samurai are you really arguing with tony? dude is straight up mental.
so is samurai. let them talk to each other.

[CavaliersFTW]

There are people who think the 60s was a weak era and that maybe only a few players like Wilt could be good in today's league. So they might think an all-star team from that decade would lose to the Heat.

I guarantee you that number of skeptics goes up with a 50s team, although I forgot Wilt and Baylor entered the league in that decade.
Nobody on ISH actually thinks this, not even the people who you've basically spoon fed to troll in here. The trolls and Heat/Lebron stans who came in to ACT like they believe it are just trolling, you made a troll topic man. Now your acting all serious about it like there's actually an opposing "side" to this argument?, C'mon. You might as well have made this exact same thread about the 80's or 90's, it is no less ridiculous to question whether those "all decade" teams would be able to compete with a freaking normal NBA team than it is to question whether the all 60's team would. You've made good posts before, and seem like a reasonable guy, but this thread is nothing but troll bait and there is nothing serious coming out of the "other side" of the 'argument'. It is straight up insulting to the top players who played in the 60's to even ask this question. There is no argument to be had here. All decade teams have freakishly dominant talent at every position - with depth. They will slaughter any team in NBA history, it's a joke to think otherwise.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW,

No reasonable baskteball fan would argue with the greatness of Lebron, a healthy Wade, or a younger Ray Allen. They would great in any era, just as Shaq, MJ, Moses, McAdoo, Kareem, Oscar, West, Russell, and Wilt would be.

[LAZERUSS]

Who are your top 5 centers all-time in order?

BTW, how about your's?

[CavaliersFTW]

OT - I just found some clips of Wilt Chamberlain smack in the middle of his prime that I have never seen before... and man is it f*cking chilling to watch... He jets and bulldozes around the floor with such ease, power and grace. He's wearing a mask in all these 'new' clips and battling Nate Thurmond in some, and Bill Russell in others. There is nothing even close to him in the modern NBA.

[Marchesk]

BTW, how about your's?

Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem or Moses

[Marchesk]

OT - I just found some clips of Wilt Chamberlain smack in the middle of his prime that I have never seen before... and man is it f*cking chilling to watch... He jets and bulldozes around the floor with such ease, power and grace. He's wearing a mask in all these 'new' clips and battling Nate Thurmond in some, and Bill Russell in others. There is nothing even close to him in the modern NBA.

Do share! What was with the mask?

[CavaliersFTW]

Do share! What was with the mask?
I don't know, I can't remember been a while since I've read what the reasons were - broken nose or bones in his face maybe? I will share the footage soon, right now it has inspired me to track down all the "masked" clips of him and I'm still looking for 3 more clips buried in my archive that I HAVE seen before but can't seem to find right now :lol

Here's some stills:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tiptMfiPsJ8/UjFhd4ZJVeI/AAAAAAAAEp4/DqUxmbRkVyA/s640/Sequence%252001.Still003.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hdoedGIb1x0/UjFheL5HEMI/AAAAAAAAEpw/cWuDlA6TCZ4/s640/Sequence%252001.Still005.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-86YyZICUBQ0/UjFhd06EVXI/AAAAAAAAEqE/xWQ854PUrFs/s640/Sequence%252001.Still004.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yUZQqkE9Rw0/UjFheeHMgTI/AAAAAAAAEqM/hCGOylL6Btg/s640/Sequence%252001.Still002.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qDeSUfnDLiA/UjFheS9idVI/AAAAAAAAEqQ/ntv5N5Q_2O0/s640/Sequence%252001.Still006.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-va4jgl_EIws/UjFhet-V02I/AAAAAAAAEqY/7cryYP2lJ58/s640/Sequence%252001.Still007.jpg

[Jameerthefear]

man you guys sure love getting trolled. that's why we can't get rid of them

[AintNoSunshine]

That might be so, but there are posters on here who do act as if they think the 60s era was vastly inferior. You can't be sure to what extent they're trolling and to what extent they think that way.

So should I have just said the 67 Philly team against 2013 Miami during their winning streak?


And comparing an allstar team of the entire decade to a real team prove what? :roll: fukking dumbazz

[The Choken One]

An actual nba team/roster vs an all-decade team isn't fare, even with that stacked team the Heat wouldn't really stand a chance.
This.

Only to trolls and delusional retards.

[Sharmer]

You might be right...but I always found it fascinating that a 35 year old Wilt just ran a 25 year old Kareem into the ground in the 4th quarter of the clinching game six win in the '72 WCF's. A Kareem who had led the NBA in mpg that season, and was in marvelous shape, himself.

And one of the many amazing Wilt stats...in his 160 post-season games, he averaged... 47.2 mpg. Hell, in his very last post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games, he averaged 47.1 mpg.

My old track coach ( viktor saneyev) won three Olympic gold medals and said that he was at the track with in Europe and Wilt picked up a shot and literally broke the world record my 3 m.

The guy was a freak

[Rose'sACL]

My old track coach ( viktor saneyev) won three Olympic gold medals and said that he was at the track with in Europe and Wilt picked up a shot and literally broke the world record my 3 m.

The guy was a freak
my old swimming coach, Bill Mulliken( 200-meter breaststroke gold medalist) told me that wilt once fell in the water by mistake and he broke the world record for men's 200-meter breaststroke by 10 secs. Best part is that he was wearing pants when he did that.

That guy was a freak.

[fpliii]

OT - I just found some clips of Wilt Chamberlain smack in the middle of his prime that I have never seen before... and man is it f*cking chilling to watch... He jets and bulldozes around the floor with such ease, power and grace. He's wearing a mask in all these 'new' clips and battling Nate Thurmond in some, and Bill Russell in others. There is nothing even close to him in the modern NBA.

Damn, good find. What seasons, and how long are the clips?

[CavaliersFTW]

Damn, good find. What seasons, and how long are the clips?
looks like you've already gotten too it

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312315

[Mr. Incredible]

You're full of shit though. LeBron is a coward, he needed and wanted to join that 2011 / 2012 Wade to win. That MVP, top five caliber player.

2013 Wade was beaten up, inconsistent, @ 65% of his abilities he was still a better second option than virtually anyone in the league or eastern conference. The guy you claimed was less important than Chris Anderson.

LeBron in 2013 took advantage of a historically weak playoffs and Finals opponents.
Dynasty.

[Crystallas]

This means the Heat would have to play with Chuck Taylors and short-shorts.

[Legends66NBA7]

60's team would win. It's too one-sided.


Dynasty.

The Bulls had a dynasty too.