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dr.hee

09-12-2013, 09:19 PM

While I will not say God exist as a fact, I can't say he doesn't either. He may or may not exist but why does atheist and Christians hate on each other so much because of how different their views are. I wouldn't consider me a christian nor an atheist but I seriously don't give a fvck if my friends believe in God or not as that is their view on the world. In the end you can't just prove there is or there isn't a God. (I have both, christians and atheist friends and they are always on war because of their views, I am always the troll putting the log in the fire though :lol)

What annoys me in these discussions is the kind of christianity vs. atheism thing. There are thousands of different religions and gods people are believing in. Yet every single believer thinks it's either him or the atheist who's right...before they can talk to the atheist, what about getting on the same page about which deity is on the other side of the coin? Just annoying. You know, the whole Pascals's Wager thing where believers have no clue how many contradicting religions are using the exact same line of reasoning.

Fresh Kid

09-12-2013, 09:19 PM

I've narrowed it down to a few candidates...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GSa6ftrY2BY/UUptwg0iLtI/AAAAAAAAB3I/gjTrbQWHE8A/s320/Greek+Myths.jpg

http://mythologyaroundtheworld.yolasite.com/resources/Egyptian%20gods%20and%20goddesses%20group.jpg

http://getasword.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/norsegods-viking-gods.jpg

http://www.avikatz.net/books/hindu/images/the_gods.jpg

http://displays.tpet.co.uk/ResourceImages/Previews/464/1.jpg
God made them tho.

dr.hee

09-12-2013, 09:20 PM

God made them tho.

Where are they now?

Fresh Kid

09-12-2013, 09:25 PM

While I will not say God exist as a fact, I can't say he doesn't either. He may or may not exist but why does atheist and Christians hate on each other so much because of how different their views are. I wouldn't consider me a christian nor an atheist but I seriously don't give a fvck if my friends believe in God or not as that is their view on the world. In the end you can't just prove there is or there isn't a God.

I don't know why both sides can just live happy with each other and end up at insults like what Budadii did when he insulted OP even though he didn't instigated anything.

PS:(I have both, christians and atheist friends and they are always on war because of their views, I am always the troll putting the log in the fire though :lol)
I understand what you are saying but u have to think about we definitely didnt appear out of nowhere to be living on this earth, like who really made tha earth man? Good vs Evil goes on everyday, just like God and stan iz well, heaven and hell. for your friends sake, we should all get along, but at tha end of tha day what iz right iz right, no other way.

Fresh Kid

09-12-2013, 09:26 PM

Where are they now?
take a guess.

dr.hee

09-12-2013, 09:27 PM

take a guess.

I'm not religious, help me out.

Bandito

09-12-2013, 09:29 PM

What annoys me in these discussions is the kind of christianity vs. atheism thing. There are thousands of different religions and gods people are believing in. Yet every single believer thinks it's either him or the atheist who's right...before they can talk to the atheist, what about getting on the same page about which deity is on the other side of the coin? Just annoying. You know, the whole Pascals's Wager thing where believers have no clue how many contradicting religions are using the exact same line of reasoning.
I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. But there are a lot of cultures besides one based on christianism (Occidental culture) so there are going to be a lot of views on what diety is the "God" based on what they seen throughout the ages. At the end of the day nobody know what's out there.

Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)

rufuspaul

09-12-2013, 09:29 PM

I'm currently reading: The Great Partnership; Science, Religion and the Search for Meaning by Jonathan Sacks. It's a good read for atheists and religious believers alike.

It's of course skewed toward the religious side (he's a Rabbi after all) but it's an intelligent and thought-provoking examination of the human desire to find meaning in the universe through both left and right brain activity.

Fresh Kid

09-12-2013, 09:30 PM

I'm not religious, help me out.
heaven or hell.

dr.hee

09-12-2013, 09:37 PM

Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)

The energy part might be true, but if my brain is destroyed, I couldn't care less which worm is eating it, lol. "We" might arise out of energy in our brain, but it's very specific patterns that make us humans. So in my opinion, that's all lost with death. Reincarnation...don't know...what I like as some useless speculation is some eternal cycle going on. Like an endless number of universes coming and going. In the most boring case, simply the same one over and over again. Pointless infinite regress.

Fresh Kid

09-12-2013, 09:41 PM

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. But there are a lot of cultures besides one based on christianism (Occidental culture) so there are going to be a lot of views on what diety is the "God" based on what they seen throughout the ages. At the end of the day nobody know what's out there.

Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)
I understand, different cultures and religions been divided since tha biblical times, its just thatwe gotta do right from wrong, which iz really hard but we gotta try at least, and its just how im figuring this world out and life experiences and what I go thru that let me know God iz real, just like satan iz real, people get blessed for doing good or they will reap for doing bad basically, and thats definitely spiritually no matter what anybody says. Tha last thing u dont want to happen either iz to think theres no heaven or hell, cuz if u think theres no heaven then u lost automatically and it would be too late to change your mind.

Quizno

09-12-2013, 09:58 PM

lol

miller-time

09-12-2013, 10:00 PM

I think this is an excellent video on the origin of the origin of the Judeo-Christian god. I have posted it a few times before. But when people start this discussion they rarely if ever try to find out where their god came from. God may exist, but I strongly doubt he is the one in the bible.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfFx9JTQl8

OldSkoolball#52

09-12-2013, 10:01 PM

God is good.

God is great.

Let us thank him for our food.

rufuspaul

09-12-2013, 10:02 PM

Grow up!

:lol

ace23

09-12-2013, 10:17 PM

Sup guise. Let's argue about religion on the internet.

FiveRings

09-12-2013, 10:54 PM

I understand, different cultures and religions been divided since tha biblical times, its just thatwe gotta do right from wrong, which iz really hard but we gotta try at least, and its just how im figuring this world out and life experiences and what I go thru that let me know God iz real, just like satan iz real, people get blessed for doing good or they will reap for doing bad basically, and thats definitely spiritually no matter what anybody says. Tha last thing u dont want to happen either iz to think theres no heaven or hell, cuz if u think theres no heaven then u lost automatically and it would be too late to change your mind.
What experiences have led you to knowing that God is real? I'd genuinely like to know Fresh Kid. People of all different religions claim this, but they can't all be correct, right? These people all believe in different things that contradict the other's beliefs. Since they can't all be right, we can conclude that there is a lot of hallucination going on. I'm sure you would agree with me that Hindus, Muslims, etc. were hallucinating when they claim to have an experience with a god other than the Christian one, right?

So in other words, we don't know for certain that all religions are false, but what we do know is that the human mind is very susceptible to hallucination. No disagreement between us so far, right?

There's no reason that Christians are special and somehow immune from hallucination. This is not to say that God does not exist for a fact, because I can't say that, but Christianity is no different from any other religion in the sense that there is no real evidence to back it up, so Christianity is no more likely to be true than any other religion. All people of any religion have is their personal experiences, and if we are taking personal experience as real evidence then that means that every different god that people believe in is real. Obviously that's not what Christians believe though. They believe that there god is the only god, but if they were brought up with a different religion they would think that another god and religion were real based on whatever personal experiences they had. This is why faith is a terrible reason to believe in anything.

As far as Heaven goes, I don't mind not going. Try to think of the time before you were born. Was it a bad time? No. You didn't care that you weren't alive, because you didn't exist to care. I think it will be the same after we die. We won't exist so we won't be able to care that we're not in some Heaven. The idea of living forever in Heaven actually scared me more as a Christian child than the idea of Hell did, since it would seem you would go crazy of boredom after a while. 70 or 80 years of living sound like plenty to me, but I suppose if God turned me into a zombie who was constantly happy and couldn't get bored, I guess Heaven might be alright. If evidence is ever found for a Heaven, I'll accept that it's real, but not until then. I think most religious people are afraid of death and they believe they've signed a contract that helps them avoid the unavoidable, and this is why they don't spend much time or any time at all looking at opposing viewpoints. It would be unacceptable to them for them to be wrong about Heaven. The Universe doesn't care what we want though. Wanting to win the lottery really badly isn't going to make it any more likely.

When it comes to your question of who created everything, that's a bad question. No one created everything. Not knowing how everything came into existence does not mean that a conscious mind created it.

I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind here Fresh Kid, but it's good for you to understand your opponents position better so you can better defend your own position in the future. I get along fine with religious people in real life. Some of my friends are religious. My parents are hardcore Christians and I get along with them great. Cheers Fresh Kid :cheers:

KobesFinger

09-13-2013, 04:06 AM

Our father, who art on ISH
Jeff be thy name
Thy Kingdom come, thou shall be done
On ISH as it is in real life
Give us this day, our daily rep
And forgive us for trolling
As we forgive those who troll against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from Euroleague's crazed rants
For thine is the Kingdom
The mods and the glory
Since 1999
Amen

Real talk though, there's no way to know whether a higher power exists unless you die. And then you can't prove it because you're dead.

DCL

09-13-2013, 05:55 AM

religion is for the brainwashed.

dr.hee

09-13-2013, 06:27 AM

religion is for the brainwashed.

This. Belief itself isn't though. I'm cool with people believing there's "something greater", call it god or whatever, out there. Don't agree with them, but if they keep it kinda private, it's alright. If on the other hand groups of people gather together for ancient magical rituals and literally think they're constantly talking to a supernatural being who also responds to them...sounds like a socially acceptable form of mental illness to me.
I even get why people like at least more modern interpretations of the Jesus myth, it's a beautiful story if theologians spin and twist the less smart things written in the bible a bit. It resonates even with me as a non believer, as it touches basic instincts and feelings most people have, whether religious or not.
But acting like you talk to magical bearded dude in the sky two times a day, and he actually gives a f*ck? Don't get it. Had to do it till I was old enough to decide it's not for me, and in retrospect I almost have to laugh at myself. But I was a kid, so what can you do...

niko

09-13-2013, 09:42 AM

OP proves the existence of god. Why else would something as stupid as him exist? Natural selection? That perfect a storm of stupidity? Impossible.

Kungfro

09-13-2013, 09:45 AM

I've narrowed it down to a few candidates...

You missed one.

How Great Is Our God - Kobe Bryant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA)

JEFFERSON MONEY

09-13-2013, 09:47 AM

Doesn't matter if God's there or not.

I know for an absolute fact that the Devil exists. Or at least what Satan embodies.

Take Your Lumps

09-13-2013, 09:49 AM

heaven or hell.

So you're saying your God created all other gods and has since sent all of those other gods to either heaven or hell?

Segatti

09-13-2013, 09:53 AM

It's kind of hilarious and sad at same time, atheists really think they are more intelligent because of what they believe. :lol

JEFFERSON MONEY

09-13-2013, 09:55 AM

It's kind of hilarious and sad at same time, atheists really think they are more intelligent because of what they believe. :lol

They on average do have higher IQ and critical thinking abilities though.

But religious people usually treat each other with more decency and trust and have more fulfilling social lives/families.

And...

The smartest and intellectually gifted are prone to depression and feeling as if they don't belong
The happiest people live blisfully ignorant
The physically strongset people are sometimes some of the most insecure
The nicest people are often stepped on
The most financially productive people often have deep relational flaws
The people with the best relationships are often servile and stupid
The savants and artists of the world would be laughed at if they were trying to engage in a simple conversation (aspergers and autistics are overly represented)
Famous people can't even take a sh!t without being harassed.

Like the old saying goes "God Giveth God Taketh".

No worries to each their own. Choose your goals wisely and execute.

miller-time

09-13-2013, 10:08 AM

But religious people usually treat each other with more decency and trust and have more fulfilling social lives/families.

Can you demonstrate any of that? In the US at least the divorce rate is far higher for Christians than it is for Atheists/Agnostics.

iDunk

09-13-2013, 10:50 AM

Who made God?
This

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:12 AM

What experiences have led you to knowing that God is real? I'd genuinely like to know Fresh Kid. People of all different religions claim this, but they can't all be correct, right? These people all believe in different things that contradict the other's beliefs. Since they can't all be right, we can conclude that there is a lot of hallucination going on. I'm sure you would agree with me that Hindus, Muslims, etc. were hallucinating when they claim to have an experience with a god other than the Christian one, right?

So in other words, we don't know for certain that all religions are false, but what we do know is that the human mind is very susceptible to hallucination. No disagreement between us so far, right?
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There's no reason that Christians are special and somehow immune from hallucination. This is not to say that God does not exist for a fact, because I can't say that, but Christianity is no different from any other religion in the sense that there is no real evidence to back it up, so Christianity is no more likely to be true than any other religion. All people of any religion have is their personal experiences, and if we are taking personal experience as real evidence then that means that every different god that people believe in is real. Obviously that's not what Christians believe though. They believe that there god is the only god, but if they were brought up with a different religion they would think that another god and religion were real based on whatever personal experiences they had. This is why faith is a terrible reason to believe in anything.

As far as Heaven goes, I don't mind not going. Try to think of the time before you were born. Was it a bad time? No. You didn't care that you weren't alive, because you didn't exist to care. I think it will be the same after we die. We won't exist so we won't be able to care that we're not in some Heaven. The idea of living forever in Heaven actually scared me more as a Christian child than the idea of Hell did, since it would seem you would go crazy of boredom after a while. 70 or 80 years of living sound like plenty to me, but I suppose if God turned me into a zombie who was constantly happy and couldn't get bored, I guess Heaven might be alright. If evidence is ever found for a Heaven, I'll accept that it's real, but not until then. I think most religious people are afraid of death and they believe they've signed a contract that helps them avoid the unavoidable, and this is why they don't spend much time or any time at all looking at opposing viewpoints. It would be unacceptable to them for them to be wrong about Heaven. The Universe doesn't care what we want though. Wanting to win the lottery really badly isn't going to make it any more likely.

When it comes to your question of who created everything, that's a bad question. No one created everything. Not knowing how everything came into existence does not mean that a conscious mind created it.

I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind here Fresh Kid, but it's good for you to understand your opponents position better so you can better defend your own position in the future. I get along fine with religious people in real life. Some of my friends are religious. My parents are hardcore Christians and I get along with them great. Cheers Fresh Kid :cheers:
Its basically experiences that anybody can go thru. Im just one of those many believers who picked up on it. Experiences like close deaths, 2nd chances in life that God gives us for not losing faith in him, not losing faith in something, or just catching a break that we deserved. Even tha government and illuminati which iz beyond real, sick, and scary, and thats what satan want us to think that God isnt real, life is a big party and a fairytale, dats part of tha big deception, we cant fall into that trap. Any situation we go through, we always have God talking to us or satan talk to us, or both, aka our conscience, we always have a choice to pick a side or not, like if u tryna decide on to go thru a situation that u know its bad but thats like satan encouraging u to go thru, and if tha situation iz a good thing a right choice than that's from God, but its all about spiritual discernment, which can be tricky at times, but once u get really deep in it then u will understand. Its not really even about religion, its about knowing whats right from wrong, I used to be a "pagan christian" but then I realized a lot of things didnt add up and extra stuff to go with it. im just a follower of God who believes in Christ, cuz various religions take it so far where its just crazy. we didnt knew heaven before we were born cuz we didnt exist of course and our soul wasnt here, now of course when we all die our souls will go somewhere, our soul wont stay in our body when we die that dont make any sense. At tha end of tha day people are going to believe in what they want, but remember when its too late its gonna be too late...

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:23 AM

It's kind of hilarious and sad at same time, atheists really think they are more intelligent because of what they believe. :lolcuz they have no morals, think about tha rich and poor, rich think they are so better than tha poor mainly cuz of their their money, rich lifestyle and many rich people would step on poor people just to get richer not really caring for tha poor but would use them just like government and celebrities, having regular people and poor people look up to them and try to be like them. meanwhile most of tha regular people and poor people have bigger hearts than tha rich, care about their fam, friends and community way more than tha rich, and remember tha right set of regular and poor could make a positive difference while tha tons of evil rich would never give it thought.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:35 AM

This
nobody made God. that's why hes called tha creator.

boozehound

09-13-2013, 11:36 AM

To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...
wow, you blew my mind!

BTW a basic course in the history of the universe would probably help your incredibly ignorant argument.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 11:38 AM

nobody made God. that's why hes called tha creator.
Tyler The Creator = 2nd coming?

boozehound

09-13-2013, 11:41 AM

cuz they have no morals, think about tha rich and poor, rich think they are so better than tha poor mainly cuz of their their money, rich lifestyle and many rich people would step on poor people just to get richer not really caring for tha poor but would use them just like government and celebrities, having regular people and poor people look up to them and try to be like them. meanwhile most of tha regular people and poor people have bigger hearts than tha rich, care about their fam, friends and community way more than tha rich, and remember tha right set of regular and poor could make a positive difference while tha tons of evil rich would never give it thought.
this is the most ignorant shit I have ever heard. You think morality is reserved for the followers of one particular creation myth (out of thousands)? All human cultures have morals or standards of behavior. Most of the morals in modern american society are based on the rule of law and the social contract.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:43 AM

wow, you blew my mind!

BTW a basic course in the history of the universe would probably help your incredibly ignorant argument.
scientists has proven to be incorrect at times throughout tha years. how we got here tho mr. smart one? energy? big bang? we just evolved out of nowhere? come on man lets be real..

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 11:47 AM

scientists has proven to be incorrect at times throughout tha years. how we got here tho mr. smart one? energy? big bang? we just evolved out of nowhere? come on man lets be real..
Unlike god :roll: ain't that some shit

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:48 AM

this is the most ignorant shit I have ever heard. You think morality is reserved for the followers of one particular creation myth (out of thousands)? All human cultures have morals or standards of behavior. Most of the morals in modern american society are based on the rule of law and the social contract.
so whats your morals sir?

boozehound

09-13-2013, 11:49 AM

scientists has proven to be incorrect at times throughout tha years. how we got here tho mr. smart one? energy? big bang? we just evolved out of nowhere? come on man lets be real..
That is the whole point of science. Its falsifiable, leading to stronger explanations of phenomena.

Humans are fallible, including the ones who wrote, transcribed and translated the bible. Why is that creation myth the true one over the thousands of others? Because its the faith you were raised in? Strong argument there.

Humans dont know everything and never will. Some people are comfortable with that, others need to find comfort in stories that cannot be verified or falsified.

Where did we come from? leads to I dont know, not GOD. I think we came from the sipapu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopi_mythology#Four_Worlds) and that is just as valid an answer as your choice of god.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:49 AM

Unlike god :roll: ain't that some shit
so how we got here? who made u and me?

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 11:50 AM

so how we got here? who made u and me?
Who made God?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 11:56 AM

Who made God?
i said nobody man. u gotta start with 1.

Jasi

09-13-2013, 11:57 AM

Who made God?

What kind of question is that?
The assumption is that God is supernatural, no?
The answer "no one, because he has always existed" is perfectly legitimate under that assumption.

Anyways, the idea that religious people are brainwashed or unintelligent is so naive...
You have lots of examples of top-level scientists who are religious.
So...? Are they stupid?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 12:04 PM

That is the whole point of science. Its falsifiable, leading to stronger explanations of phenomena.

Humans are fallible, including the ones who wrote, transcribed and translated the bible. Why is that creation myth the true one over the thousands of others? Because its the faith you were raised in? Strong argument there.

Humans dont know everything and never will. Some people are comfortable with that, others need to find comfort in stories that cannot be verified or falsified.

Where did we come from? leads to I dont know, not GOD. I think we came from the sipapu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopi_mythology#Four_Worlds) and that is just as valid an answer as your choice of god.
i was raised on things that i don't believe in anymore, like I realized that sunday is really not tha sabbath, i found out Jesus is black not white (im not racist), most churches are fake cuz they just want your money and use your money to buy expensive things and only to make them look good not really caring of people struggles or not etc.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 12:11 PM

i said nobody man. u gotta start with 1.
Lol and then you say science is flawed :roll:

http://zerobs.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/capacity-of-noahs-ark-vs-titanic.png

Stay mad :oldlol:

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:11 PM

scientists has proven to be incorrect at times throughout tha years. how we got here tho mr. smart one? energy? big bang? we just evolved out of nowhere? come on man lets be real..

Scientist have been proven wrong before, and you know what? They admit they were wrong and adjust their theories.

Scientists have provide numerous mathematical calculations to support their theories.

THey have conducted experiments with the large hadron collider at CERN to test some of their theories of the origins of the universe.

Religion does none of that. Religion just tells you something and makes you accept it. Christianity (I am assuming your a christian) would have us believe that eve was made from adam's rib. A talking snake make eve eat an apple and god tossed them out of the garden of eden. They then populated the earth. You might as well believe in the tooth fairy.

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:16 PM

so how we got here? who made u and me?
Well i am no physicist so take what i say with a grain of salt.

The big bang released an unimaginable amount of energy.

Energy can be converted into matter within stars and when stars explode.

Evolution eventually resulted in what we are today.

Evolution is real, we have concrete examples.

Eg. a particular type of bird has a soft beak, one day one bird is born with a harder beak. It has an advantage of digging into the bark of trees to get food. It gets big and strong and mates more. His offspring inherit this trait. Eventually they replace the soft beaked birds.

Basically how evolution works.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 12:17 PM

Lol and then you say science is flawed :roll:

http://zerobs.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/capacity-of-noahs-ark-vs-titanic.png

Sta mad :oldlol:
God wanted noah to build that ark, thats God that helped made that possible, miracle from above, some supernatural works was being made in that situation. might sound like an adventure/ sci fi movie to you, but its definitely real.

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:19 PM

God wanted noah to build that ark, thats God that helped made that possible, miracle from above, some supernatural works was being made in that situation. might sound like an adventure/ sci fi movie to you, but its definitely real.

Why is it definitely real? :facepalm

What evidence can you provide?

Also larger question if god exists, then why is the world so bad? Why are babies sometimes raped?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 12:22 PM

Well i am no physicist so take what i say with a grain of salt.

The big bang released an unimaginable amount of energy.

Energy can be converted into matter within stars and when stars explode.

Evolution eventually resulted in what we are today.

Evolution is real, we have concrete examples.

Eg. a particular type of bird has a soft beak, one day one bird is born with a harder beak. It has an advantage of digging into the bark of trees to get food. It gets big and strong and mates more. His offspring inherit this trait. Eventually they replace the soft beaked birds.

Basically how evolution works.
u serious? energy? thats absurd. energy don't make humans and animals, and we definitely didn't evolve from primates, cuz why primates still exist? do they turn into humans? come on bro.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 12:25 PM

alenleomessi

09-13-2013, 12:27 PM

They on average do have higher IQ and critical thinking abilities though.

But religious people usually treat each other with more decency and trust and have more fulfilling social lives/families.

And...

The smartest and intellectually gifted are prone to depression and feeling as if they don't belong
The happiest people live blisfully ignorant
The physically strongset people are sometimes some of the most insecure
The nicest people are often stepped on
The most financially productive people often have deep relational flaws
The people with the best relationships are often servile and stupid
The savants and artists of the world would be laughed at if they were trying to engage in a simple conversation (aspergers and autistics are overly represented)
Famous people can't even take a sh!t without being harassed.

Like the old saying goes "God Giveth God Taketh".

No worries to each their own. Choose your goals wisely and execute.
:applause:

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 12:27 PM

Why is it definitely real? :facepalm

What evidence can you provide?
do u have evidence to prove its not? we are a miracle, things in tha world are miracles, technology, adjusting in different time eras and different situations, living everyday and breathing is a miracle. things that are happening right now and tha things we have today we would thought never happen 20 years ago. miracles.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 12:29 PM

do u evidence to prove its not? we are a miracle, things in tha world are miracles, technology, adjusting in different time eras and different situations, living everyday and breathing is a miracle. things that are happening right now and tha things we have today we would thought never happen 20 years ago. miracles.
Miracles aka technological advance

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:29 PM

u serious? energy? thats absurd. energy don't make humans and animals, and we definitely didn't evolve from primates, cuz why primates still exist? do they turn into humans? come on bro.

The science and math involved in proving that energy = matter is beyond me. But its well accepted in the scientific community. Scientist try their best at disprove each others theories, and maybe some day they will do so, until then I put my faith in them

http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/wp-content/blogs.dir/475/files/2012/04/i-0e22e47815e2e7d7b8eeb2c579f9a846-Hominini.png

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/evolution/human_evolutionary_tree.jpg

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/images/evograms/hominid_evo.jpg

Youtube video of my hero richard dawkins explaining it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE

To answer your question we share a common ancestor. We are not evolved from chimpanzees. We are their distant cousins. about 6 million years ago we had the same great great (unimaginable amount of greats) grand parents.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 12:33 PM

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:34 PM

do u have evidence to prove its not? we are a miracle, things in tha world are miracles, technology, adjusting in different time eras and different situations, living everyday and breathing is a miracle. things that are happening right now and tha things we have today we would thought never happen 20 years ago. miracles.

Yes there is a lot of mathematical calculations beyond my comprehension that support the big bang theory.

Scientists at CERN have been able to predict with their calculations what happens when particles collide and split at CERN. Giving support to their theories about the origin of the universe.

You have 0 evidence to prove Eve was made from adam's rib.

we are a miracle, things in tha world are miracles, technology, adjusting in different time eras and different situations, living everyday and breathing is a miracle. things that are happening right now and tha things we have today we would thought never happen 20 years ago. miracles.

:biggums: :biggums:

None of that is miracles. We (as a civilization) know how these things were made.

Larger question: Why does god allow babies to be raped?

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 12:51 PM

and we definitely didn't evolve from primates, cuz why primates still exist? do they turn into humans? come on bro.

Evolution occurs because some genetic mutation occurs over time in the genetic code. When this mutation causes a disadvantage, the recipient of the mutation is unlikely to breed and it dies with him.

When it causes an advantage, they will prosper and breed more thus passing on their mutated genetic code and take over, if the advantage is large enough.

Advantages are not always obvious. Eg. sometimes it is advantage to get smaller because food is scarce and you need to get smaller to survive to breed.

Human's primarily evolved to have bipedal walking, which frees up the hands and is energy efficient and obviously our large brains. Our advantages obvious and why we took over the world and became this planet's dominant species.

Although chimps and gorillas also evolved advantages we don't have. they both have much stronger jaws and can chew through things we could never.

Gorillas have muscle and skeletal structure that humans can never compete with. Unarmed the weakest adult gorilla kills the strongest human with ease.

Chimps also are amazingly strong and can rip up a human's face with ease. I have read that for the same muscle mass, a chimp's muscle is 3x stronger than a human's.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 01:02 PM

Miracles aka technological advance
what technology comes from?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 01:11 PM

The science and math involved in proving that energy = matter is beyond me. But its well accepted in the scientific community. Scientist try their best at disprove each others theories, and maybe some day they will do so, until then I put my faith in them

http://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/wp-content/blogs.dir/475/files/2012/04/i-0e22e47815e2e7d7b8eeb2c579f9a846-Hominini.png

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/evolution/human_evolutionary_tree.jpg

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/images/evograms/hominid_evo.jpg

Youtube video of my hero richard dawkins explaining it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE

To answer your question we share a common ancestor. We are not evolved from chimpanzees. We are their distant cousins. about 6 million years ago we had the same great great (unimaginable amount of greats) grand parents.
we may be similar in certain traits but we definitely not tha same, humans are humans and animals are animals, animals are more dangerous and faster than us , i cant believe u said distant cousins. like i said scientists claims that we evolve from them and i said no and even u said im right but distant cousins? thats just pure nonsense.

b1imtf

09-13-2013, 01:20 PM

what technology comes from?
Main parts come from electricity.

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 01:23 PM

we may be similar in certain traits but we definitely not tha same, humans are humans and animals are animals, animals are more dangerous and faster than us , i cant believe u said distant cousins. like i said scientists claims that we evolve from them and i said no and even u said im right but distant cousins? thats just pure nonsense.

No scientist has ever said we are evolved from chimps.

We evolved from a common ancestor we share with chimps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE

please watch the 1:47 minute video. It explains a lot you seem to misunderstand.

Chimps and gorillas and all primates including homo sapiens evolved from a common ancestor.

Their evolutionary path made them physically superior to us. Our evolutionary path made us intellectually superior to them.

Our evolutionary path created the smartest species in earth's history. Our intelligence allowed us to invent weapons, which compensated for our relatively weak physical bodies. which is why we became the dominant species on earth.

DCL

09-13-2013, 01:24 PM

we may be similar in certain traits but we definitely not tha same, humans are humans and animals are animals, animals are more dangerous and faster than us , i cant believe u said distant cousins. like i said scientists claims that we evolve from them and i said no and even u said im right but distant cousins? thats just pure nonsense.

do you think scientists just randomly throw darts on a poster of animals and then claim our genetics are highly related to whichever animal the dart hits???

i don't think you've ever even heard of DNA or how patterns of DNA evolve to form a structural biological tree.

people are discussing theorems of physics, chemistry, or biology, and you're still wondering why 1 + 1 = 2....

:oldlol:

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 01:41 PM

Yes there is a lot of mathematical calculations beyond my comprehension that support the big bang theory.

Scientists at CERN have been able to predict with their calculations what happens when particles collide and split at CERN. Giving support to their theories about the origin of the universe.

You have 0 evidence to prove Eve was made from adam's rib.

:biggums: :biggums:

None of that is miracles. We (as a civilization) know how these things were made.

Larger question: Why does god allow babies to be raped? thats a bunch of bull if u tell me. Everything cant just be here out of nowhere its impossible. no way how. who helped tha scientists with their calculations, who created that for them to even figure things out. im sorry but u definitely can't depend on scientists like that it just doesn't add up at all. you have 0 evidence to prove that eve wasn't made from Adam's rib tho. im sorry man but somebody had to create engineers and scientists to create such technology that we have today and particles out of thin air is not tha answer. God allows it cuz maybe of how tha babies ancestors that did so much wrong which affected them, u can call it karma from past generations, im sorry thats just how it is sometimes. or maybe its to show certain people tha right way, make them wake up by teaching them life is not a game, and how tha world is messed up, or fight against them evil people who did in tha first place. larger question: why does God allows to breath for another day especially when all of us don't deserve to mainly on how much we sin and keep on making tha same mistakes over and over again, and we still blessed to still be here for more chances at life, success, etc. answer that.

ace23

09-13-2013, 02:32 PM

You all realize Fresh Kid is trolling to make believers look stupid right? K, just making sure.

FiveRings

09-13-2013, 02:32 PM

Its basically experiences that anybody can go thru. Im just one of those many believers who picked up on it. Experiences like close deaths, 2nd chances in life that God gives us for not losing faith in him, not losing faith in something, or just catching a break that we deserved. Even tha government and illuminati which iz beyond real, sick, and scary, and thats what satan want us to think that God isnt real, life is a big party and a fairytale, dats part of tha big deception, we cant fall into that trap. Any situation we go through, we always have God talking to us or satan talk to us, or both, aka our conscience, we always have a choice to pick a side or not, like if u tryna decide on to go thru a situation that u know its bad but thats like satan encouraging u to go thru, and if tha situation iz a good thing a right choice than that's from God, but its all about spiritual discernment, which can be tricky at times, but once u get really deep in it then u will understand. Its not really even about religion, its about knowing whats right from wrong, I used to be a "pagan christian" but then I realized a lot of things didnt add up and extra stuff to go with it. im just a follower of God who believes in Christ, cuz various religions take it so far where its just crazy. we didnt knew heaven before we were born cuz we didnt exist of course and our soul wasnt here, now of course when we all die our souls will go somewhere, our soul wont stay in our body when we die that dont make any sense. At tha end of tha day people are going to believe in what they want, but remember when its too late its gonna be too late...
I too thought I was having experiences with the Christian God when I believed. People of all different religions will say they have experiences with their god though, so how do we determine who's experiences are legitimate and who's are not?

You said that our souls must leave our bodies and go somewhere when we die. I don't believe we have souls. No evidence of a soul has ever been found, and if a soul is something that can't be detected by humans, then there's no way we can know anything about it. All we have is a big old book which claims that the soul is real. I need more than just some words in a book in order to accept that something is real.

The brain to me is like a computer. When the brain dies, it's lights out. The brain is responsible for consciousness, so when the brain dies our consciousness just disappears. I don't believe that free-will exists either, but rather that it is an illusion. I would say that belief is not a choice.

MavsSuperFan

09-13-2013, 02:35 PM

You all realize Fresh Kid is trolling to make believers look stupid right? K, just making sure.

Maybe or he is like about 25% of the american population a christian fundamentalist who believe the bible is literally true.

dr.hee

09-13-2013, 02:43 PM

Maybe or he is like about 25% of the american population a christian fundamentalist who believe the bible is literally true.

Yeah, I mean the part about believing Noah's Ark existed isn't far fetched for millons of real people. But Fresh Kid kinda blew his cover prematurely by saying that "god" created all the gods of Greeks/Romans/Germanics/Indians and sent them either to heaven or hell. That's just too cheap, if you want to troll about this topic, there should be at least a minimum of intelligence involved, and Fresh Kid just can't deliver.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 02:48 PM

You all realize Fresh Kid is trolling to make believers look stupid right? K, just making sure.
i know i be trolling and joking on other subjects on here but when it comes to this, im not joking at all, and if im making believers look stupid then let me know, i would love to hear this.

dr.hee

09-13-2013, 02:51 PM

i know i be trolling and joking on other subjects on here but when it comes to this, im not joking at all, and if im making believers look stupid then let me know, i would love to hear this.

You claim that Noah's Ark was a real thing. So you're either Jewish or a Christian. Maybe a Muslim, don't know what's their take on the Old Testament. This makes you a monotheist. As in one single god. Then you claimed that this god created a number of other gods he then sent to hell or heaven. So yeah, pretty weak attempt at trolling. Try again. You take the bible in a literal way? Show me where Yahweh created other gods...

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 02:52 PM

Maybe or he is like about 25% of the american population a christian fundamentalist who believe the bible is literally true.
i never said tha bible was 100% true, mostly true but not all, because tha government got their hands on it and edit it a lil, we have to go deeper than tha Bible in a spiritual sense.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 03:04 PM

Yeah, I mean the part about believing Noah's Ark existed isn't far fetched for millons of real people. But Fresh Kid kinda blew his cover prematurely by saying that "god" created all the gods of Greeks/Romans/Germanics/Indians and sent them either to heaven or hell. That's just too cheap, if you want to troll about this topic, there should be at least a minimum of intelligence involved, and Fresh Kid just can't deliver.
them so called gods iz not tha one true God, one of tha gods you mentioned like osiris, people that deals with illuminati reps that god and some satanic people and whats their agenda? exactly. most of those gods u mentioned are Luciferin and basically considered as fallen angels believe it or not, just cuz they named themselves gods doesn' make them "true gods". like i said u have to start with one. You wanna talk about intelligence. thats funny.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 03:12 PM

You claim that Noah's Ark was a real thing. So you're either Jewish or a Christian. Maybe a Muslim, don't know what's their take on the Old Testament. This makes you a monotheist. As in one single god. Then you claimed that this god created a number of other gods he then sent to hell or heaven. So yeah, pretty weak attempt at trolling. Try again. You take the bible in a literal way? Show me where Yahweh created other gods...
he create them but then they called themselves gods or others beneath them called them gods, it doesn't mean they are tha true gods no way no how. What about how tha weather iz and hurricanes, tornadoes? where that come from? do you think tha people who predicts weather everyday iz 100% right all tha time? i think not bro, that let you know there's a much higher power that has tha final say so.

zoom17

09-13-2013, 03:29 PM

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a big thread. Everyone just ignore this loser.

Well that failed:roll: :roll: :roll:

zoom17

09-13-2013, 03:30 PM

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 04:10 PM

I too thought I was having experiences with the Christian God when I believed. People of all different religions will say they have experiences with their god though, so how do we determine who's experiences are legitimate and who's are not?

You said that our souls must leave our bodies and go somewhere when we die. I don't believe we have souls. No evidence of a soul has ever been found, and if a soul is something that can't be detected by humans, then there's no way we can know anything about it. All we have is a big old book which claims that the soul is real. I need more than just some words in a book in order to accept that something is real.

The brain to me is like a computer. When the brain dies, it's lights out. The brain is responsible for consciousness, so when the brain dies our consciousness just disappears. I don't believe that free-will exists either, but rather that it is an illusion. I would say that belief is not a choice.
belief iz a choice tho, our brain shuts down but not our soul this is just our physical body when our physical body aka flesh body dies than our soul will leave. Explain demons, ghosts and angels? u dont belive in them either? and what about faith? do u believe in dat?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 05:38 PM

Main parts come from electricity.
What does electricity come from?

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 05:45 PM

What creates atoms? energy? particles? and universe? who created that? I really want to know that, but just about all of you atheists say tha same thing, you dont know where it comes from, that to me tells me something, it seems like you dont want to know who made these various things that we have discussed or yall just dont want to admit that God iz most definitely real.

Myth

09-13-2013, 08:58 PM

I thought OP posted that he was leaving ISH forever. Why does this thread exist?

Rasheed1

09-13-2013, 09:06 PM

I thought OP posted that he was leaving ISH forever. Why does this thread exist?

he lied.. snuck back on the board under a different name and got found out..now he stays for more attention whoring.. pathetic d*ckhead is now poisoning this forum like he did the NBA forum.. sad day for ISH

Johnny Jones

09-13-2013, 09:11 PM

he lied.. snuck back on the board under a different name and got found out..now he stays for more attention whoring.. pathetic d*ckhead is now poisoning this forum like he did the NBA forum.. sad day for ISH
He has more accounts too. zoom17 and CanYouDigIt are 2 other accounts of his.

Who knows how many more he has.

Fresh Kid

09-13-2013, 10:51 PM

Lets keep this thread classy guys. This is a serious topic that we are dealin with, and Im definitely not canyoudigit and zoom17, no way, no how, not possible.Thank you.

b1imtf

09-14-2013, 12:09 AM

What does electricity come from?
Your mom's vag. I hope you're a muslim and bomb yourself. Stay mad

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 12:29 AM

Your mom's vag. I hope you're a muslim and bomb yourself. Stay mad
no need to get mad, and it seem like u dont know where it seriously come from, its ok kid.

zoom17

09-14-2013, 12:36 AM

He has more accounts too. zoom17 and CanYouDigIt are 2 other accounts of his.

Who knows how many more he has.

:facepalm

b1imtf

09-14-2013, 12:37 AM

no need to get mad, and it seem like u dont know where it seriously come from, its ok kid.
You mad :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: relax sonny

FiveRings

09-14-2013, 02:53 AM

belief iz a choice tho, our brain shuts down but not our soul this is just our physical body when our physical body aka flesh body dies than our soul will leave. Explain demons, ghosts and angels? u dont belive in them either? and what about faith? do u believe in dat?
Belief appears to be a choice, but it's really not. I didn't choose to stop believing in God. Things didn't add up for me anymore, so in turn I happened to stop believing. Even if I wanted really badly to go to Heaven and to believe in a god, that's not a choice I can make. It would be like me trying to force myself to believe that the Earth is flat. The belief doesn't make sense and is not backed up by any evidence, so no matter how much I try to believe it, it's just not going to happen.

How do I explain demons, ghosts, and angels? I have had what a believer would probably see as experiences with ghosts and demons. When I was younger I used to think I saw what might be ghosts out of the corner of my eye all the time. I was hallucinating. I was paranoid and imagined what I was thinking of to be there. It was my imagination playing tricks on me. When I stopped believing in the supernatural, these experiences stopped. Funny how that happens.

Demons? Just a few months ago, I woke up in bed, couldn't move and realized there was what a believer might call a demon or something like that holding my head down. Is that what was actually happening? Of course not. I was still half asleep and couldn't move my head, so, still in a dreamy state, I imagined that there was someone holding me down.

I've had prayers answered, and as a Christian there were times when I felt the presence of God. Personal experience is not reliable though. It can't be trusted and it is not real evidence of anything. People claim to have all kinds of crazy experiences. Look at all the people who claim they've been abducted by aliens. The mind is easily fooled.

What about faith? My definition of faith would be belief without evidence. I don't accept any claims on faith, no.

Bandito

09-14-2013, 12:25 PM

He has more accounts too. zoom17 and CanYouDigIt are 2 other accounts of his.

Who knows how many more he has.
first of all April 2013 he didn't got found out. He confessed he was wildz09 when pointed out the flaw in his bet. Second zoom17 and canyoudigit are probably clippersfan89 or RG alt accounts.

christian1923

09-14-2013, 01:10 PM

MavsSuperFan

09-14-2013, 04:51 PM

We have a sidistic god.
Must be.

Supposedly he is all knowing and all powerful.

and yet babies sometimes get raped.

Either he is allowing it to happen or he is not the all powerful omnipotent god of the bible.

christian1923

09-14-2013, 05:26 PM

Must be.

Supposedly he is all knowing and all powerful.

and yet babies sometimes get raped.

Either he is allowing it to happen or he is not the all powerful omnipotent god of the bible.
Yessir. Fear God.

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 07:45 PM

You mad :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: relax sonny
great response, u lose once again.

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 07:58 PM

Belief appears to be a choice, but it's really not. I didn't choose to stop believing in God. Things didn't add up for me anymore, so in turn I happened to stop believing. Even if I wanted really badly to go to Heaven and to believe in a god, that's not a choice I can make. It would be like me trying to force myself to believe that the Earth is flat.
belief iz a choice bruh, and you chosed to not follow God. everyday in life we deal with choices, u chose to go to work, skool, or just stay home. You being a kobe/laker fan iz a choice. people can force u to do something but you can retaliate and not listen to them can probably cost u your job, or send u to prison, or leave u to an early death which can be very bad choices which is still your choice. like i said maybe lack of faith destroyed your faith in God, which can be caused by being tricked by tha devil. just saying.

dr.hee

09-14-2013, 08:01 PM

Jameerthefear

09-14-2013, 08:01 PM

this is actually one of fresh kid's better trolling attempts. his retirement thread no one cared about to even notice so that one flopped.

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 08:03 PM

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 08:11 PM

Lack of faith destroying faith -> circular argument, try again

The Devil causing the lack of faith -> contradicting your claim about faith being a choice

:sleeping
yes tha devil causes lack of faith but at tha same time its our choice to not listen to him, and not be distracted by him, God gave us strength to fight, it's like when u feel like choking some innocent person for no reason or killing someone but u don't, thats a perfect example of not going thru on what tha devil want u to do. i hope u understand.

dr.hee

09-14-2013, 08:15 PM

yes tha devil causes lack of faith but at tha same time its our choice to not listen to him, and not be distracted by him, God gave us strength to fight, it's like when u feel like choking some innocent person for no reason or killing someone but u don't, thats a perfect example of not going thru on what tha devil want u to do. i hope u understand.

Seems like you don't understand. Basically you've said...faith is destroyed by lack of faith, which is caused by the devil, but a matter of choice. Adding your lack of grammar into the mix, my money is on brain damage. Maybe you've had a stroke...anyway I'm done with this thread. Trolling can be done intelligently (look at William Lane Craig :lol ), but this parody of a stereotypical ghetto kid isn't worth much time.

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 08:29 PM

Seems like you don't understand. Basically you've said...faith is destroyed by lack of faith, which is caused by the devil, but a matter of choice. Adding your lack of grammar into the mix, my money is on brain damage. Maybe you've had a stroke...anyway I'm done with this thread. Trolling can be done intelligently (look at William Lane Craig :lol ), but this parody of a stereotypical ghetto kid isn't worth much time.
u can think im trolling but im being brutally honest here. i said five rings' faith in God was destroyed by having lack of faith meaning he had little faith which turned into no faith at all which was karma for giving up, like certain situations in life, by having lack in faith will destroy your chances, like basketball u think nba players quit or think to themselves "well we not gonna win" or " we don't have a chance cuz of tha refs and we on tha road" they don't say that cuz thats losing faith in their team to win and 9 times out of 10 bad karma will happened to them to lose that game.

dr.hee

09-14-2013, 08:37 PM

u can think im trolling but im being brutally honest here. i said five rings' faith in God was destroyed by having lack of faith meaning he had little faith which turned into no faith at all which was karma for giving up, like certain situations in life, by having lack in faith will destroy your chances, like basketball u think nba players quit or think to themselves "well we not gonna win" or " we don't have a chance cuz of tha refs and we on tha road" they don't say that cuz thats losing faith in their team to win and 9 times out of 10 bad karma will happened to them to lose that game.

Nah, still think you're brain damaged. Now you're saying his faith was destroyed by lack of faith. That's a circular argument once again. Lack of faith is both the cause and the result in your post. Still going with mental retardation. And if this issue is so important to you, why not drop the ghetto schtick and speak proper English? You tried it for less important trolling attempts, so if this topic really matters to you, why not speak properly?

b1imtf

09-14-2013, 09:58 PM

great response, u lose once again.
Nope, you are mad. I won.

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 10:12 PM

Nope, you are mad. I won.
seriously, how u won?

Fresh Kid

09-14-2013, 10:17 PM

Nah, still think you're brain damaged. Now you're saying his faith was destroyed by lack of faith. That's a circular argument once again. Lack of faith is both the cause and the result in your post. Still going with mental retardation. And if this issue is so important to you, why not drop the ghetto schtick and speak proper English? You tried it for less important trolling attempts, so if this topic really matters to you, why not speak properly?
how am i brain damaged? that doesn't make any sense, i made my points and you still dont seen to get it, cuz u choose not to. and what does this have to do with proper English? thats correct, not a damn thing. so what if i talk ghetto, does it offend u? its my choice to talk like dis and i don't see anything wrong, cuz im still making valid points which u choose not to understand which creates yourself a delusional belief that im brain damaged or mentally retarded. Whats going on wit dis world, whats goin on smh.

dr.hee

09-15-2013, 05:07 AM

how am i brain damaged? that doesn't make any sense, i made my points and you still dont seen to get it, cuz u choose not to. and what does this have to do with proper English? thats correct, not a damn thing. so what if i talk ghetto, does it offend u? its my choice to talk like dis and i don't see anything wrong, cuz im still making valid points which u choose not to understand which creates yourself a delusional belief that im brain damaged or mentally retarded. Whats going on wit dis world, whats goin on smh.

Well, if you think your point are valid then yeah, probably brain damage. I'll use your logic for another example. Let's say someone has lost weight and I want to explain that. Fresh Kid logic would be this: "His weight loss was caused by losing weight.". Genius. Do you get what's wrong with this? You're using the result as the cause. Faith being destroyed by lack of faith is the same thing. Someone has no faith. I ask how did he lose it. Answer? By not having faith :lol Damn, you dumb...

tgan3

09-15-2013, 09:42 AM

To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...

Answer: It has always existed. If god exists, who made god? Have you thought of that?

Fresh Kid

09-15-2013, 08:07 PM

Answer: It has always existed. If god exists, who made god? Have you thought of that?
nobody did, like i said b4 u have to start with one. If God don't exist than we don't exist, think about dat.

FiveRings

09-15-2013, 09:01 PM

belief iz a choice bruh, and you chosed to not follow God. everyday in life we deal with choices, u chose to go to work, skool, or just stay home. You being a kobe/laker fan iz a choice. people can force u to do something but you can retaliate and not listen to them can probably cost u your job, or send u to prison, or leave u to an early death which can be very bad choices which is still your choice. like i said maybe lack of faith destroyed your faith in God, which can be caused by being tricked by tha devil. just saying.
I see what you're saying. I know what you mean because I can put myself back into the mindset of when I was a Christian, and I would have thought something similar to that. You're telling me what Christianity says about things, but I already know what Christianity says. I went to church for a little over a decade and have read the Bible a couple times, the Quran, and a bit of the Book of Mormon. I need evidence and I don't see any of it in the Bible that I once thought was the word of God.

When I became an atheist, my whole model of reality changed. I hardly believe anything I believed as a kid, other than that theft, killing, etc are not good while love and compassion are good. I've learned so much since I became atheist, spending a lot of time reading books about science and atheism/religion, watching debates and lectures on youtube, and spending time on atheist forums. I know you will probably think the devil is influencing me to think the way I think, but there is hard evidence behind things like evolution for example. There are mountains and mountains of evidence, so I accept it as fact, the same way there is so much evidence that the Earth is round so I accept that as a fact.

I don't believe in free-will, period. Sam Harris has some great lectures on this. I see myself as a machine built by natural selection for survival. I'm not in control. There really is no "I" in the sense that I once thought there was. My mind is in control and whatever I do is unconsciously decided beforehand. I don't expect you to understand this because as a Christian this would have made no sense to me either.

My faith used to be strong and I legit believed the Bible, but I saw flaws that weakened my faith and eventually forced me to stop believing, for example the Christian God is supposed to be perfect and he's the designer of all things, yet babies are born with missing limbs and illnesses. God is not supposed to be flawed in his creation. My options were either "God is a jerk who punishes babies for the sins of their ancestors by creating them without limbs for his own amusement" or "There probably is no God".

Answer: It has always existed. If god exists, who made god? Have you thought of that?
You're wrong. The Earth, moon, sun, etc have not always existed. We know the approximate age of the Earth and have a pretty good idea of how these things formed.

b1imtf

09-15-2013, 09:05 PM

seriously, how u won?
Because you are upset

Fresh Kid

09-15-2013, 10:01 PM

Because you are upset
im not upset, im just explaining myself and make points but you wanna say u won even u didn't make a point, and thats a horrible answer by tha way.

tgan3

09-15-2013, 10:03 PM

nobody did, like i said b4 u have to start with one. If God don't exist than we don't exist, think about dat.

If god existed, you have proof of it? Occam's razor state that we should find the most obvious answer to any solution. For example, If a tree fell down, the most direct reasoning would be lightning had strike that tree. Rather then say aliens had came and shot the tree down.

Applying Occam's razor, we had NEVER SEEN God before. It is therefore fair to assume that God does not exist and we had existed all the while (After the big bang). Of course you could go the religious argument route and point out that we had never seen oxygen before, but oxygen exists. However, oxygen is validated by science, God is not.

Fresh Kid

09-15-2013, 10:33 PM

If god existed, you have proof of it? Occam's razor state that we should find the most obvious answer to any solution. For example, If a tree fell down, the most direct reasoning would be lightning had strike that tree. Rather then say aliens had came and shot the tree down.

Applying Occam's razor, we had NEVER SEEN God before. It is therefore fair to assume that God does not exist and we had existed all the while (After the big bang). Of course you could go the religious argument route and point out that we had never seen oxygen before, but oxygen exists. However, oxygen is validated by science, God is not.
since you know that oxygen exists then where did that came from? come on man its obvious if u really think about. Just like wind, we cant see it but we know it there, but at tha same time it was created by a much higher power, how do we not die when we fall asleep? many questions u have to ask yourself.

Fresh Kid

09-15-2013, 10:52 PM

I see what you're saying. I know what you mean because I can put myself back into the mindset of when I was a Christian, and I would have thought something similar to that. You're telling me what Christianity says about things, but I already know what Christianity says. I went to church for a little over a decade and have read the Bible a couple times, the Quran, and a bit of the Book of Mormon. I need evidence and I don't see any of it in the Bible that I once thought was the word of God.

When I became an atheist, my whole model of reality changed. I hardly believe anything I believed as a kid, other than that theft, killing, etc are not good while love and compassion are good. I've learned so much since I became atheist, spending a lot of time reading books about science and atheism/religion, watching debates and lectures on youtube, and spending time on atheist forums. I know you will probably think the devil is influencing me to think the way I think, but there is hard evidence behind things like evolution for example. There are mountains and mountains of evidence, so I accept it as fact, the same way there is so much evidence that the Earth is round so I accept that as a fact.

I don't believe in free-will, period. Sam Harris has some great lectures on this. I see myself as a machine built by natural selection for survival. I'm not in control. There really is no "I" in the sense that I once thought there was. My mind is in control and whatever I do is unconsciously decided beforehand. I don't expect you to understand this because as a Christian this would have made no sense to me either.

My faith used to be strong and I legit believed the Bible, but I saw flaws that weakened my faith and eventually forced me to stop believing, for example the Christian God is supposed to be perfect and he's the designer of all things, yet babies are born with missing limbs and illnesses. God is not supposed to be flawed in his creation. My options were either "God is a jerk who punishes babies for the sins of their ancestors by creating them without limbs for his own amusement" or "There probably is no God".

babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future , think about how we are living today, tha world gets worse and worse, and people ACT like they have no control by doing whatever they want and most of that is evil and wickedness. Life is about "tests". We are not supposed to be here to do whatever we feel like doing, we struggle for a reason, we learn from uneasy situations and consequences for a reason, to make us stronger as people. Theres nothing wrong with learning about different books and lectures, and believe me I know tha bible iz not 100% correct because tha illuminati change some things in it, but you gotta also think about who rules this world, they cant stand christians, Jesus and God, u know why? cuz we represent tha truth, I know you know about tha illuminati and free masons and all, and they love athiests, cuz they dont have to worry about them messing up their agenda of a one world government which iz gonna take place very soon, and watch everybody pray to God then, cuz its bout to get really krazy, tha bible iz not 100% but in books like revelation they do talk about whats going on right now and will happen in tha near future, so if you dont want to believe than thats your choice. and Like u said theres good and bad, good and bad feelings, good and bad actions we face and encounter but where theres that come from? not outta nowhere man, not outta nowhere.

b1imtf

09-15-2013, 11:07 PM

im not upset, im just explaining myself and make points but you wanna say u won even u didn't make a point, and thats a horrible answer by tha way.
See? You're so mad

Fresh Kid

09-15-2013, 11:41 PM

See? You're so mad
you are making no sense man.

MavsSuperFan

09-15-2013, 11:49 PM

since you know that oxygen exists then where did that came from? come on man its obvious if u really think about. Just like wind, we cant see it but we know it there, but at tha same time it was created by a much higher power, how do we not die when we fall asleep? many questions u have to ask yourself.

most of the basic elements like hydrogen are made in the stars originally. The more complex elements like gold or iron were produced by supernovae iirc

b1imtf

09-15-2013, 11:50 PM

you are making no sense man.
And you are mad

MavsSuperFan

09-15-2013, 11:51 PM

this is actually one of fresh kid's better trolling attempts. his retirement thread no one cared about to even notice so that one flopped.

He might be trolling, but there is about 25% of this country that believes what he (at least is claiming to) believes, IE that the events of the bible are historically true.

travelingman

09-15-2013, 11:58 PM

Fresh Kid is the Theoo of creationist apologetics.

Fresh Kid

09-16-2013, 12:04 AM

most of the basic elements like hydrogen are made in the stars originally. The more complex elements like gold or iron were produced by supernovae iirc
i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha supernovae iirc?

travelingman

09-16-2013, 12:07 AM

i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha supernovae iirc?

Lol, IIRC means "If I Remember Correctly". Supernovae wasn't being used as an adjective in that post.

Fresh Kid

09-16-2013, 12:10 AM

Lol, IIRC means "If I Remember Correctly". Supernovae wasn't being used as an adjective in that post.
o my bad then.

travelingman

09-16-2013, 12:11 AM

o my bad then.

:cheers:

MavsSuperFan

09-16-2013, 12:26 AM

i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha supernovae iirc?
:lol
the big bang released energy which converted to hydrogen atoms and over a few hundred million years the particles (which were not evenly distributed by the big bang) gathered together and basically snowballed under their gravitational forces and produced the stars. a star exploding is referred to as a supernova. Heat and pressure from the gravitational forces created stars from the hydrogen atoms. iirc

remember energy is matter.

Fresh Kid

09-16-2013, 12:31 AM

He might be trolling, but there is about 25% of this country that believes what he (at least is claiming to) believes, IE that the events of the bible are historically true.
Its not trolling, and tha reason why its 25% cuz people dont have real faith, been blinded by whats going on in tha world, and tha world has a lot of quitters and weak minded people too which explains that percentage also,and you also have to ask yourself why God is being kicked out of schools these days? why followers of God iz tha most hated or described crazy? like I said in tha other posts, tha people who are ruling this world is brainwashing many others out there (which iz influenced by tha devil), they dont want us to believe in God cuz they are carrying tha devils agenda and of course they want to be gods themselves with this one world government nonsense.

Fresh Kid

09-16-2013, 12:36 AM

:lol
the big bang released energy which converted to hydrogen atoms and over a few hundred million years the particles (which were not evenly distributed by the big bang) gathered together and basically snowballed under their gravitational forces and produced the stars. a star exploding is referred to as a supernova. Heat and pressure from the gravitational forces created stars from the hydrogen atoms. iirc

remember energy is matter.
lets just say if there was a big bang, who made tha big bang?? exactly.

MavsSuperFan

09-16-2013, 12:38 AM

lets just say if there was a big bang, who made tha big bang?? exactly.
nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.

Fresh Kid

09-16-2013, 12:54 AM

nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.
I dont say scientific version was true, I said "if", Scientists by using "the big bang theory" is basically just not including God and replacing him, which iz ridiculous, cuz remember in tha bible it said God created tha heavens and earth, mankind, animals, light, etc. which scientists should explain to yall that tha big bang gotta come from somebody if they think their theory iz correct and most definitely tha big bang cannot create all these things, given humans and animals senses and feelings, it doesnt add up at all.

dr.hee

09-16-2013, 05:18 AM

babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future ,

Wow, you're a f*cking idiot. Unlike you, I've worked in hospitals, and if you ever saw the shit that happens to perfectly normal, decent people (also devout Christians, who unlike you at least know their own religion), you would just shut your stupid mouth up. My mum is doing voluntary work with patients who know they're going to die soon ( called terminal care in English?) and also works with people who are grieving after losing a loved one, including a group of little kids who lost a sibling or parent. And the stupid bullshit you write is just insulting to all the people who are suffering and the ones who try to help them. Even every semi intelligent Christian I know would simply laugh at the idiocy you're telling us in this thread.

I mean what the f*ck? Did you never go to school? Genetic defects, illnesses and such aren't happening for a reason. They just happen, because life is not perfect. Because the universe is not perfect. Never was, never will be. It's interesting to discuss with intelligent believers, I know a few personally. But you...damn...if you're being serious :biggums: It's like the f*cking middle ages...you should stick to threads about Melo, since this topic is way over your head.

MavsSuperFan

09-16-2013, 11:10 AM

I dont say scientific version was true, I said "if", Scientists by using "the big bang theory" is basically just not including God and replacing him, which iz ridiculous, cuz remember in tha bible it said God created tha heavens and earth, mankind, animals, light, etc. which scientists should explain to yall that tha big bang gotta come from somebody if they think their theory iz correct and most definitely tha big bang cannot create all these things, given humans and animals senses and feelings, it doesnt add up at all.

comparing the bible to the big bang theory as if they are equal in terms of evidence or scientific support is just wrong. There is a lot of effort and mathematical calculations that go into the big bang theory that about 13.7 billion years ago the big bang occurred. There is a lot of evidence that all the basic elements like oxygen and carbon are made in the stars and the more complex elements are made when a star explodes. Scientists have built the large hadron collider to test some of theories about how particles reacted when split and smashed together. Supposedly scientists agree the results were predicted by the big bang theory, which as a scientific theory offers predictive value.

There is zero evidence that the book of genesis is true. The bible's origin of the world if you take it literally is conclusively false.
1. the planet earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or even 10,000 years old. Carbon dating is used to support the 4 billion year figure and other experiments as well.

2. Humans evolved from a common ancestor we share with chimps and bonobos. We have an even earlier common ancestor with gorillas. All the great african apes (including humans) are even more distantly related to south america orangutans. Man was not sculpted by god. Woman was not made by the ribs of the first man.

3. the movement of modern humans took about 15,000 years to move out of africa and into the rest of the world (europe and asia). 20,000 years to move across the bering straits into north and south america. we were not expelled from the garden of eden because eve ate an apple that a talking snake tricked her into eating.

There is no more more evidence indicating the bible's version of how the universe originated is true than there is for the theory that zeus' mom and dad had a fight. gaia and chronos beat each other or something. maybe it was zeus that killed chronos or was it when he trapped the titans under mount olympus.:lol

b1imtf

09-16-2013, 12:17 PM

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greymatter

09-16-2013, 02:18 PM

To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us?

Your mother and the dumbass who didn't pull out made you.

who made tha world?

No one, retard. Gravitational collapsing of molecular clouds (AKA nebulas) "made" the world you stupid retard who can't even spell a 3-letter word.

sun, moon stars,

See above.

oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...

Read a science book and not some imbecilic bronze age fiction made up by a bunch of guys who recognized how easily manipulated the average schmuck was.

greymatter

09-16-2013, 02:27 PM

OP proves the existence of god. Why else would something as stupid as him exist? Natural selection? That perfect a storm of stupidity? Impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

greymatter

09-16-2013, 02:53 PM

Lets keep this thread classy guys. This is a serious topic that we are dealin with, and Im definitely not canyoudigit and zoom17, no way, no how, not possible.Thank you.

Yes, it's serious. The US has to sponge off the best and brightest from other countries in order to remain a world leader in science and medicine. Just look at the faculty of any science/engineering department at any major university and you'll be lucky to find less than 70% of them being foreign born.

I take no pleasure in knowing that the general dumbing down of society will make it far easier for my progeny to get into the better schools.

Take Your Lumps

09-16-2013, 04:40 PM

babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future

http://i.imgur.com/Q3U4uIa.gif

FiveRings

09-16-2013, 05:50 PM

tha bible iz not 100% but in books like revelation they do talk about whats going on right now and will happen in tha near future, so if you dont want to believe than thats your choice. and Like u said theres good and bad, good and bad feelings, good and bad actions we face and encounter but where theres that come from? not outta nowhere man, not outta nowhere.
Watch this short 8 minute video Fresh Kid. It explains the source of morality much better than I could http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtvWkRRxKQ

Bandito

09-16-2013, 09:25 PM

nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.
The Catholics had this school or university and this nun told me they don't believe in Adam and Eve story either. They think it is an interpretation of what happened. HEck they don't believe in most of the old testament literally.:roll:

Bandito

09-16-2013, 09:26 PM

Yes, it's serious. The US has to sponge off the best and brightest from other countries in order to remain a world leader in science and medicine. Just look at the faculty of any science/engineering department at any major university and you'll be lucky to find less than 70% of them being foreign born.

I take no pleasure in knowing that the general dumbing down of society will make it far easier for my progeny to get into the better schools.
:biggums:

That is why the world makes fun of Americans. Haven't you noticed that there are more americans than foreigners in your country? Wouldn't it makes sense for the colleges to have more americans than foreigners?

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 01:55 PM

How do I explain demons, ghosts, and angels? I have had what a believer would probably see as experiences with ghosts and demons. When I was younger I used to think I saw what might be ghosts out of the corner of my eye all the time. I was hallucinating. I was paranoid and imagined what I was thinking of to be there. It was my imagination playing tricks on me. When I stopped believing in the supernatural, these experiences stopped. Funny how that happens.

Demons? Just a few months ago, I woke up in bed, couldn't move and realized there was what a believer might call a demon or something like that holding my head down. Is that what was actually happening? Of course not. I was still half asleep and couldn't move my head, so, still in a dreamy state, I imagined that there was someone holding me down.

.

Demons are real. Same thing happens to me when Im half sleep, couldnt move, fighting with them, thats real. Its no hallucination, forget what them doctors say too, them demons aka fallen angels iz mad at us cuz we have a chance to be with God while they dont cuz they got cast out of heaven,especially tha people who doing good, trying to do good, and anointed to do good, they want to put that deep fear in us which God dont want us to fear in tha first place. and that whole hallucination nonsense is straight from satan, think about it thats why they dont bother you like that anymore cuz of your faith and beliefs, they have done their job. Real talk.

dr.hee

09-17-2013, 02:01 PM

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 02:10 PM

Wow, you're a f*cking idiot. Unlike you, I've worked in hospitals, and if you ever saw the shit that happens to perfectly normal, decent people (also devout Christians, who unlike you at least know their own religion), you would just shut your stupid mouth up. My mum is doing voluntary work with patients who know they're going to die soon ( called terminal care in English?) and also works with people who are grieving after losing a loved one, including a group of little kids who lost a sibling or parent. And the stupid bullshit you write is just insulting to all the people who are suffering and the ones who try to help them. Even every semi intelligent Christian I know would simply laugh at the idiocy you're telling us in this thread.

I mean what the f*ck? Did you never go to school? Genetic defects, illnesses and such aren't happening for a reason. They just happen, because life is not perfect. Because the universe is not perfect. Never was, never will be. It's interesting to discuss with intelligent believers, I know a few personally. But you...damn...if you're being serious :biggums: It's like the f*cking middle ages...you should stick to threads about Melo, since this topic is way over your head.

After all of that, my points still stands, everything in life iz not just a coincidence, thats what others who dont have faith in God will tell u, How do genetic defects happen? think beyond tha damn science books for once, you a grown damn man and u have to nerve to say did I go to skool? of course I did genius, but bynow in your lifetime have u notice that a lot of things they taught us in skool is not even true, like tha presidents, do u think george washington was really tha 1st president? they made us learn science for crying out loud and them damn scientists aren't 100 percent. Its seems like u are upset cuz Im relly bring out some valid points, but hey itz not my fault, Im just speaking tha truth. If you think every christian is laughing at me and think im 100 percent wrong then have them come in this thread, and I will gladly speak to them too, It seems like this topic went over your head.

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 02:12 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Q3U4uIa.gif
Try to understand. Thats all im asking bro.

SilkkTheShocker

09-17-2013, 02:12 PM

Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 02:18 PM

comparing the bible to the big bang theory as if they are equal in terms of evidence or scientific support is just wrong. There is a lot of effort and mathematical calculations that go into the big bang theory that about 13.7 billion years ago the big bang occurred. There is a lot of evidence that all the basic elements like oxygen and carbon are made in the stars and the more complex elements are made when a star explodes. Scientists have built the large hadron collider to test some of theories about how particles reacted when split and smashed together. Supposedly scientists agree the results were predicted by the big bang theory, which as a scientific theory offers predictive value.

There is zero evidence that the book of genesis is true. The bible's origin of the world if you take it literally is conclusively false.
1. the planet earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or even 10,000 years old. Carbon dating is used to support the 4 billion year figure and other experiments as well.

2. Humans evolved from a common ancestor we share with chimps and bonobos. We have an even earlier common ancestor with gorillas. All the great african apes (including humans) are even more distantly related to south america orangutans. Man was not sculpted by god. Woman was not made by the ribs of the first man.

3. the movement of modern humans took about 15,000 years to move out of africa and into the rest of the world (europe and asia). 20,000 years to move across the bering straits into north and south america. we were not expelled from the garden of eden because eve ate an apple that a talking snake tricked her into eating.

There is no more more evidence indicating the bible's version of how the universe originated is true than there is for the theory that zeus' mom and dad had a fight. gaia and chronos beat each other or something. maybe it was zeus that killed chronos or was it when he trapped the titans under mount olympus.:lol
Where does mathematics calculations come from? where do we get our critical thinking from? come on man. You keep saying when star explodes, but didnt it say in tha bible that God made tha stars right? They tell u its a billion years old, but that is false. Idf man was not made by God then who made us? who made tha chimps for cryin out loud? your points are not making any sense. Why are we still breathing? who gave us thoughts? Ideas? ability to walk? talk? build? destroy? etc. not no damn particles in tha air I tell u that.

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 02:20 PM

Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.
Its very sad that they can go through life like this smh.

Fresh Kid

09-17-2013, 02:37 PM

Did you ever even read the bible? Probably not. Read this. (http://sbcvoices.com/fun-with-theology-is-satan-a-fallen-angel/) Do you have fun making up your own religion?
You want proof? who do tha illuminati, one world government leaders, free masons, skull and bones, bliderburg group etc. worship? they worship satan, they call up demons to produce evil works in their life, heard of them?? they tha same ones who hates jesus, sometimes they will wear emblems such as chains or diamond encrusted pieces to mock him, and what they do as leaders with this world? and behind tha scenes in this world? start wars, kill people, set up blood sacrifices for their evil doings, mind control us with certain tv programs, media lies, certain advertisments, many celebritys who are corrupt that are nothing but illuminati puppets and hate God themselves, deceive everybody with poision that will eventually kill us physically and spiritually in foods, candy, liquor, smoking, man tha list goes on. If you think about it deeply, everything what Im saying really adds up man.

b1imtf

09-17-2013, 02:40 PM

Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.
Lol

MavsSuperFan

09-17-2013, 02:48 PM

Where does mathematics calculations come from? where do we get our critical thinking from? come on man. You keep saying when star explodes, but didnt it say in tha bible that God made tha stars right? They tell u its a billion years old, but that is false. Idf man was not made by God then who made us? who made tha chimps for cryin out loud? your points are not making any sense. Why are we still breathing? who gave us thoughts? Ideas? ability to walk? talk? build? destroy? etc. not no damn particles in tha air I tell u that.
Ya, and dbz comics say that god is a great martial artist called the supreme kai
Which one is true?

travelingman

09-17-2013, 03:02 PM

You want proof? who do tha illuminati, one world government leaders, free masons, skull and bones, bliderburg group etc. worship? they worship satan, they call up demons to produce evil works in their life, heard of them?? they tha same ones who hates jesus, sometimes they will wear emblems such as chains or diamond encrusted pieces to mock him, and what they do as leaders with this world? and behind tha scenes in this world? start wars, kill people, set up blood sacrifices for their evil doings, mind control us with certain tv programs, media lies, certain advertisments, many celebritys who are corrupt that are nothing but illuminati puppets and hate God themselves, deceive everybody with poision that will eventually kill us physically and spiritually in foods, candy, liquor, smoking, man tha list goes on. If you think about it deeply, everything what Im saying really adds up man.

:biggums:

Oh God no, please don't tell me you're one of those people.

Please, just stop.

FiveRings

09-17-2013, 04:03 PM

Demons are real. Same thing happens to me when Im half sleep, couldnt move, fighting with them, thats real. Its no hallucination, forget what them doctors say too, them demons aka fallen angels iz mad at us cuz we have a chance to be with God while they dont cuz they got cast out of heaven,especially tha people who doing good, trying to do good, and anointed to do good, they want to put that deep fear in us which God dont want us to fear in tha first place. and that whole hallucination nonsense is straight from satan, think about it thats why they dont bother you like that anymore cuz of your faith and beliefs, they have done their job. Real talk.
That experience happened to me about 4 or 5 months back. You said they won't bother me after they've done their job, but I've been atheist for a decade now, since I was 15 or 16 years old lol. Maybe they were bothering me because I still have a Bible in my appartment? Would you suggest that I remove the Bible from my appartment immediately?

I saw two different demons that same night. First I woke up and there was a demon covered in fur standing at my feet and just staring at me. I went back to sleep. I woke up again on my side and another demon was holding my head and had an arm around my body. After a minute though, I was able to get ahold of this demons head and bash it into the wall until I was fully awake and nothing was there. I thought a person needs the help of God and to invoke his name in order to defeat dark forces like this? Why should I feel the need to ask for anyone's help when I defeated the demon all on my own?

Did you watch that clip on morality? If scientists are the agents of the Devil, I guess I've sold my soul to the Devil and there's no turning back now.

Take Your Lumps

09-17-2013, 04:19 PM

Try to understand. Thats all im asking bro.

Alright...

babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future

How exactly are the actions of descendents thousands of years ago the cause of a baby being born with its organs outside of its body? I'd love to hear more details on this.

And how did you come by this information?

zoom17

09-17-2013, 04:52 PM

Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.

:biggums:

riseagainst

09-17-2013, 04:56 PM

Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.

some of their thought processes make no sense, but this is an exaggeration.

:biggums:

Fresh Kid

09-19-2013, 12:48 PM

Ya, and dbz comics say that god is a great martial artist called the supreme kai
Which one is true?
It lets me know that dbz comics got more sense then athiests.

Fresh Kid

09-19-2013, 12:51 PM

:biggums:

Oh God no, please don't tell me you're one of those people.

Please, just stop.
Please stop what? telling tha truth? laying down facts that you are obviously blind to understand?

kNicKz

09-19-2013, 12:55 PM

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Le Shaqtus

09-19-2013, 02:19 PM

Don't believe in God, wish I did. But I don't.

Fresh Kid

10-02-2013, 06:11 AM

Don't believe in God, wish I did. But I don't.
So why u dont?

Le Shaqtus

10-02-2013, 08:49 AM

So why u dont?

Because God doesn't make sense to me :confusedshrug:

I find it hard to believe some mythical being created everything, science makes more sense. My heart would like to believe in God for a sense of closure and maybe purpose? But my brain tells me it doesn't make any sense to believe in it.

MavsSuperFan

10-02-2013, 09:08 AM

Because God doesn't make sense to me :confusedshrug:

I find it hard to believe some mythical being created everything, science makes more sense. My heart would like to believe in God for a sense of closure and maybe purpose? But my brain tells me it doesn't make any sense to believe in it.

About the same for me. went to church as a kid (forced to go), but as you get older and learn some of the bibles actual claims, and some scientific facts, you realize that significant portions of the bible are already scientifically impossible.

Also there are a bunch of teachings in the bible that are incredibly immoral. Eg. Justifying slavery, knowledge is evil, shellfish are evil, wearing clothes of 2 different cloths are evil. (seriously the bible considers those things abominations, but not slavery)

If a woman claims to be raped in the city she should be doubted, but believed if it occurs in the countryside, you should submit to god to the extent that you should murder you son at his whim

if you are a good person your whole life and you look back on your city being smotted by god you deserve to be turned into a pillar of salt, afterwards your husband and daughters should breed, many other messed up things.

Then you learn about the political reasons why the bible exists, and it all makes sense. Of course rich powerful people would want the poor to believe that if you are poor in this life, you should be happy and docile, because if you are a good person you will be rich beyond belief in the kingdom of heaven. (eg. shellfish consumption was discouraged probably because of red tide)

How convenient:rolleyes:

Fresh Kid

10-15-2013, 08:43 AM

MavsSuperFan

10-15-2013, 09:32 AM

ok but where do scientists get their information and knowledge from, scientists also aren't 100 percent either, u believe that theres wind right? even tho u can't see it right? all because u don't see something definitely doesn't mean that its not there. think about that.
scientists get all their information from experimentation and observation.

There are more senses than just sight. Just because we cant see wind/air pressure, there are numerous senses that help us observe/detect its existence, including but not limited to the ability to sense touch, motion, pressure, noise, and temperature. we can also measure the wind with various instruments including weather vines. So yes just because you cant see something doesn't mean there isn't a mountain of evidence it exists.

Fresh Kid

11-02-2013, 11:20 PM

scientists get all their information from experimentation and observation.

There are more senses than just sight. Just because we cant see wind/air pressure, there are numerous senses that help us observe/detect its existence, including but not limited to the ability to sense touch, motion, pressure, noise, and temperature. we can also measure the wind with various instruments including weather vines. So yes just because you cant see something doesn't mean there isn't a mountain of evidence it exists.

who give them tha knowledge and sense to come up with experimentation and observation tho? not out of thin air I tell you that. and wind definitely comes from God and it does exists just like God always does and always will be, we cant operate on our own, we are not that smart.

MavsSuperFan

11-03-2013, 11:54 AM

who give them tha knowledge and sense to come up with experimentation and observation tho? not out of thin air I tell you that. and wind definitely comes from God and it does exists just like God always does and always will be, we cant operate on our own, we are not that smart.

who give them tha knowledge and sense to come up with experimentation and observation tho?
The evolutionary process.

wind definitely comes from God
If you want to believe that, its your right, but its not definite. It is a matter of faith.

and it does exists just like God always does and always will be, we cant operate on our own, we are not that smart.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/2il26bp.jpg

oh the horror

11-03-2013, 11:58 AM

You don't have to believe in the bible to believe in a grand creator.

Science and god can coexist.

MavsSuperFan

11-03-2013, 12:14 PM

You don't have to believe in the bible to believe in a grand creator.

Science and god can coexist.
I would dispute that.
The scientific process is all about evidence, peer review and the ability of others to replicate the results of your observations/experiments. About making testable hypothesis and testing them.

Belief in a grand creator is a matter of faith. There is zero concrete evidence indicating that someone or something consciously and intentionally created the universe. belief in that rejects the scientific standard of evidence. Now maybe someday we will find evidence of a grand creator and scientists will adapt their theories. But until then belief in a grand creator rejects science.

Eg. Finding out about quarks inside atoms, and then iirc vibrating strings inside the quarks (but i am no physicists). When at one time it was believed atoms were the smallest unit.

Flash31

11-03-2013, 02:07 PM

Santa Claus has a more reasonable explanation than Jesus and God,Allah,Yahweh whatever you want to call it.

If you believe the Bible is any way,shape,or form Truth,then so is L Ron Hubbard's explanation and scientology religion.

I was raised catholic and have studied every religion and all of them are illogical,unreasonable,unbelievable,Literally Impossible,clearly made up,and not even rational.

The only religions that even made a modicum of sense were ones where there is no go and the belief is you are your own god,you make your own decisions and it teaches peace unto oneself and harmony among people.

But believing in a ressurected zombie,that the Earth is max 10,000 years old,
that we descended from two people and woman was created from man's rib,that a talking snake coerced eve and adam to eat an apple and get banished,that having Knowledge is EVIL,that not believing is worse than murder,rape,torture,genocide,that one man Built an arc and millions of species fit in that boat,that Dinosaurs nevER existed,

and the most illogical

God is omniscient so he knows the past,present,and future which means there is ABSOLUTELY 0 FREE WILL
Which means that

whether you believe or not,whether you're good or bad makes absolutely 0 difference bc you have no choice
so all the good,all the bad thats been done was MADE TO BE DONE.

If God created the world and people an d he already knows what happens then that means people have 0 choice.Theyre programmed to be bad or good.ALL the murders,rapes,genocides,wars,plagues were MADE TO HAPPEN.
He knew Adam and Eve weren't going to listen and he LET EVERYTHING HAPPEN.

If you read the bible,Koran,Morman books,and all that,
God laid down 7 sins,the 7 deadly sins not to cross and yet He broke all of them.

gigantes

11-03-2013, 06:29 PM

http://www.damnlol.com/i/c381c8c58c11e6889cbca5902763a27b.jpg

just dropped in to say that actually... yes. the air really is poisonous. it was just classified by the world health org as being carcinogenic. not joking.

so your diet and life habits are more important than ever if your goal is to stay healthy.

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 01:00 PM

Santa Claus has a more reasonable explanation than Jesus and God,Allah,Yahweh whatever you want to call it.

This iz one of tha dumbest thangz that I've ever heard in my life:facepalm How iz Santa real if his fat ass can't even fit down tha chimneys plus a lot of houses have no chimneys in tha first damn place. Do all bad kids get coal for Christmas? man this iz simply retarded:facepalm plus God iz real cuz he do answer prayers not our parents or others, who make sure we breath on a daily basis? how do most babies survive in tha womb before birth? Who made tha scientists in tha first place? Where does all tha intelligence that these people have come from? Who make sure people's brain work with a decebt memory everyday? It adds up man:no:

Mr. Jabbar

12-16-2013, 01:01 PM

we laker fans know diz

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 01:06 PM

we laker fans know diz
funny but true:lol

Dresta

12-16-2013, 01:27 PM

I would dispute that.
The scientific process is all about evidence, peer review and the ability of others to replicate the results of your observations/experiments. About making testable hypothesis and testing them.

Belief in a grand creator is a matter of faith. There is zero concrete evidence indicating that someone or something consciously and intentionally created the universe. belief in that rejects the scientific standard of evidence. Now maybe someday we will find evidence of a grand creator and scientists will adapt their theories. But until then belief in a grand creator rejects science.

Eg. Finding out about quarks inside atoms, and then iirc vibrating strings inside the quarks (but i am no physicists). When at one time it was believed atoms were the smallest unit.
The deist belief of an initiator that does not intervene is perfectly compatible with science. And now quarks are being disputed (not up to date with this) and some believe that it could be an infinite series of particles making up one another, despite there not being any real evidence for it. You are talking about things we currently have no scientific understanding of. There's no reason to be a deist. But there's also no reason not to. We simply do not know.

And that certainly doesn't disqualify Pantheism, where many postulate that God is the universe (allowing for an incredibly broad interpretation) - Einstein was likely one of these.

Dresta

12-16-2013, 01:29 PM

This iz one of tha dumbest thangz that I've ever heard in my life:facepalm How iz Santa real if his fat ass can't even fit down tha chimneys plus a lot of houses have no chimneys in tha first damn place. Do all bad kids get coal for Christmas? man this iz simply retarded:facepalm plus God iz real cuz he do answer prayers not our parents or others, who make sure we breath on a daily basis? how do most babies survive in tha womb before birth? Who made tha scientists in tha first place? Where does all tha intelligence that these people have come from? Who make sure people's brain work with a decebt memory everyday? It adds up man:no:
This guy is bare stupid.

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 01:36 PM

This guy is bare stupid.
Who me?:biggums: care to explain mr. fake intelligent one:coleman:

chosen_one6

12-16-2013, 01:49 PM

God and religion were created by man, not the other way around.

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 01:53 PM

God and religion were created by man, not the other way around.
who made man?:coleman:

dr.hee

12-16-2013, 02:00 PM

who made man?:coleman:

Odin, Vili and V

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 02:13 PM

[QUOTE=dr.hee]Odin, Vili and V

CavaliersFTW

12-16-2013, 02:15 PM

who made man?:coleman:
Asking 'who' only leaves room for a response that a singular individual was responsible for 'creating' - it is a logical fallacy to ask a leading question in that manner to begin with, of course you know this, your just trolling :oldlol:

dr.hee

12-16-2013, 02:26 PM

Asking 'who' only leaves room for a response that a singular individual was responsible for 'creating' - it is a logical fallacy to ask a leading question in that manner to begin with, of course you know this, your just trolling :oldlol:

I want to point out that it's also leaving room for multiple individuals responsible for "creating"...which leads me to Odin, Vili and V

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 02:28 PM

Asking 'who' only leaves room for a response that a singular individual was responsible for 'creating' - it is a logical fallacy to ask a leading question in that manner to begin with, of course you know this, your just trolling :oldlol:
naw man i ain't trolling and i don't think u understand why i said that:coleman: somebody had to made us, we didn't appear outta nowhere and there definitely was no big bang:no:

Fresh Kid

12-16-2013, 02:30 PM

[QUOTE=dr.hee]I want to point out that it's also leaving room for multiple individuals responsible for "creating"...which leads me to Odin, Vili and V

CavaliersFTW

12-16-2013, 02:30 PM

naw man i ain't trolling and i don't think u understand why i said that:coleman: somebody had to made us, we didn't appear outta nowhere and there definitely was no big bang:no:
Assumptions :oldlol:

dr.hee

12-16-2013, 02:32 PM

I thought u were an atheist?:biggums:

I thought ya left tha ISH :biggums:

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 08:21 PM

Assumptions :oldlol:
something had to start from somewhere right???:rolleyes:

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 08:22 PM

I thought ya left tha ISH :biggums:
Dont go around my question:coleman:

Dresta

12-24-2013, 09:00 PM

something had to start from somewhere right???:rolleyes:
No: just because a concept can't be comprehended by the human mind, doesn't make it theoretically invalid, nor does it make it impossible. After all, our mathematical system is predicated on the existence of numbers incomprehensible to the human mind.

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 09:05 PM

No: just because a concept can't be comprehended by the human mind, doesn't make it theoretically invalid, nor does it make it impossible. After all, our mathematical system is predicated on the existence of numbers incomprehensible to the human mind.
Who gave us that type of intelligence tho? Who make sure our brain dont go dead especially when we sleep? Somebody from tha very top had to give us all these things and make sure we are still breathing, there's absolutely no way around it.

Hazard

12-24-2013, 09:06 PM

Dresta

12-24-2013, 09:07 PM

Most of the human species don't surpass the mental capacity of twelve-year-olds tbh.

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 09:11 PM

Theists are interesting creatures. I would guess that OP is at most 15, but I work with some Baptists and their reasoning is the same so who the hell knows. Maybe that's when their brain stops maturing. I guess believing a bearded man in the sky made the universe cause he was lonely will do that to you.
Im 27 by the way thank you. You must be insanely stupid and naive to think we come from nowhere. Where we come from genius? Explain that. No matter what you say its always going to come back to who was the very first person who started it all. Humans, and animals are very distinctive creatures with our personalities and mannerisms as well. Somebody made all of us, and he iz God, You gotta be real stupid to think not

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 09:14 PM

Most of the human species don't surpass the mental capacity of twelve-year-olds tbh.
Human species like you say stupid shit like this just to make themselves sound smart. The type that have no real faith in anything, and very pessimistic in life and decisions.

CavaliersFTW

12-24-2013, 09:15 PM

Theists are interesting creatures. I would guess that OP is at most 15, but I work with some Baptists and their reasoning is the same so who the hell knows. Maybe that's when their brain stops maturing. I guess believing a bearded man in the sky made the universe cause he was lonely will do that to you.
Notice how OP always asks 'WHO' leading into his belief that a person is behind everything. You must answer his questions the way he lays them out (the answer must answer WHO not WHAT!) Not to mention he assumes everyone must have answers to these insanely deep questions and topics to begin with, answering that 'we don't know for sure' for anything is not good enough he MUST have an answer and it MUST be in the form of a person :oldlol:

Don't know how shit works? God did it!

Religious answers to deep and complicated questions of any sort are the biggest cop outs in the history of mankind :oldlol:

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 09:21 PM

Notice how OP always asks 'WHO' leading into his belief that a person is behind everything. You must answer his questions the way he lays them out (the answer must answer WHO not WHAT!) Not to mention he assumes everyone must have answers to these insanely deep questions and topics to begin with, answering that 'we don't know for sure' for anything is not good enough he MUST have an answer and it MUST be in the form of a person :oldlol:

Don't know how shit works? God did it!

Religious answers to deep and complicated questions of any sort are the biggest cop outs in the history of mankind :oldlol:
You dont have to be really reiligious to know there iz a God:rolleyes:. Tha first Creator, like how do people create things like cell phones, cars, computers, etc. Where they got that knowledge from?

CavaliersFTW

12-24-2013, 09:33 PM

You dont have to be really reiligious to know there iz a God:rolleyes:. Tha first Creator, like how do people create things like cell phones, cars, computers, etc. Where they got that knowledge from?
My 10 year old nieces and nephews have a better understanding of how the world works than you :oldlol: Seriously, you don't understand basic fundamental truths such as how building upon other peoples minor discoveries gradually over the course of many years or generations can lead to much greater more compound discoveries and creations. All the discoveries necessary to create modern technology are built upon other discoveries that can be traced back to things as old as mankind itself. You come off as if you not only do not understand concepts such as the evolution of species but you further don't understand our own observable evolution of culture, language and technology - stop wasting your time answering all your questions with 'god did it' and start finding out how much we as mankind actually have figured out through painstaking research and discovery :oldlol:

Dresta

12-24-2013, 09:35 PM

Human species like you say stupid shit like this just to make themselves sound smart. The type that have no real faith in anything, and very pessimistic in life and decisions.:facepalm
Anyone got a translator for this guy?

Quizno

12-24-2013, 09:41 PM

Im 27 by the way thank you. You must be insanely stupid and naive to think we come from nowhere. Where we come from genius? Explain that. No matter what you say its always going to come back to who was the very first person who started it all. Humans, and animals are very distinctive creatures with our personalities and mannerisms as well. Somebody made all of us, and he iz God, You gotta be real stupid to think not
dude, the simple truth is that we don't know. why do you think somebody (indicating that it's a person, for whatever reason :oldlol: ) created us the way we are today? do you not understand the concept of evolution? isn't it taught in all schools nowadays?

nobody knows where the hell we came from. impatient people like yourself demand answers now simply because it's easier to come up with a cheap, illogical cop-out answer than simply admitting that at this point in time, we don't know where we really came from. we don't know how the universe started, why it started, why we're here, or why anything is here. that's the truth. according to our modern understanding of physics, the universe has no end. it's infinite. it's a difficult concept to wrap your head around but it's really amazing if you think about it. people say "god did it" because they don't know the real answer and want to simplify things for themselves. some people think it's scary to admit that they don't know what's really out there

CavaliersFTW

12-24-2013, 09:47 PM

dude, the simple truth is that we don't know. why do you think somebody (indicating that it's a person, for whatever reason :oldlol: ) created us the way we are today? do you not understand the concept of evolution? isn't it taught in all schools nowadays?

nobody knows where the hell we came from. impatient people like yourself demand answers now simply because it's easier to come up with a cheap, illogical cop-out answer than simply admitting that at this point in time, we don't know where we really came from. we don't know how the universe started, why it started, why we're here, or why anything is here. that's the truth. according to our modern understanding of physics, the universe has no end. it's infinite. it's a difficult concept to wrap your head around but it's really amazing if you think about it. people say "god did it" because they don't know the real answer and want to simplify things for themselves. some people think it's scary to admit that they don't know what's really out there
At this point 'why' *isn't even an acceptable question. Why implies purpose. Do we even know if there is a purpose? Asking why in and of itself is based on an assumption

Inb4 OP:
'Of course, we were created by God and our purpose is to worship God!'

:lol

Quizno

12-24-2013, 10:42 PM

At this point 'why' is even an acceptable question. Why implies purpose. Do we even know if there is a purpose? Asking why in and of itself is based on an assumption

Inb4 OP:
'Of course, we were created by God and our purpose is to worship God!'

:lol
that's true, there may or may not be a purpose to existence. it's just a thought that I like to entertain sometimes. that kind of stuff really interests me, and a lot of people struggle to find purpose in their lives

ace23

12-24-2013, 10:56 PM

Most of the human species don't surpass the mental capacity of twelve-year-olds tbh.
Paradox.

Fresh Kid

12-24-2013, 11:14 PM

My 10 year old nieces and nephews have a better understanding of how the world works than you :oldlol: :
stop reading afta that and plus you dont believe in anything:facepalm

zoom17

12-25-2013, 01:14 AM

why hasn't this thread been deleted yet:oldlol:

The-Legend-24

12-25-2013, 01:18 AM

People still believe "God" exists? :oldlol:

Fresh Kid

12-25-2013, 01:34 AM

People still believe "God" exists? :oldlol:
how do u exist tho?:biggums:

Fresh Kid

12-25-2013, 01:35 AM

why hasn't this thread been deleted yet:oldlol:
why hasn't your life been deleted yet?:lol

Real14

06-05-2014, 04:44 AM

God iz real and will always be.:applause:

Real14

04-04-2016, 08:07 PM

Without God how would people like dead beats breathe?

Without God how would we lethally get up from peaceful sleep?

Atheists believe in winds even tho they cant vision them

Hypocrites were witnessing and God still dont exist to them? :facepalm

KyrieTheFuture

04-04-2016, 08:10 PM

stalkerforlife

04-04-2016, 09:39 PM

Why is OP banned?

God is real.

And God is good.

Real14

04-04-2016, 09:46 PM

God ain't real
How?:coleman:

Real14

04-04-2016, 09:47 PM

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
:biggums: what??

Real14

04-04-2016, 09:49 PM

Right back at ya. Provide me with evidence that he IS real

who makes you breathe? Who wakes you up everyday?

Nilocon165

04-04-2016, 09:51 PM

who makes you breathe? Who wakes you up everyday?
Science

Real14

04-04-2016, 09:54 PM

Science
Who made Science?

JEFFERSON MONEY

04-04-2016, 09:54 PM

Right back at ya. Provide me with evidence that he IS real

Gee I dunno.

Do you, personally claim to have willed yourself into creation from starting off as a zygote?

Do you deny that there is an ordering agent for every part of life beginning from the rotation of the quarks subatomically, to the perfect synchronicity of each organ system, to the manner in which the millions of galaxies are perfectly intuned.

Do you deny that your life (assuming you are NOT chasing your vain desires) has largely been a series of tests and lessons designed to strengthen you spiritually and morally? Who do you think was behind that?

Do you attest to there not being a distinct harmony between BOTH the HEAVENS and the EARTH? In that rain from the skies goes down into the dirt to create vegetation?

Do you deny that the planetary alignments are fine-tuned perfectly to the point in to support human life WHICH IS EXTREMELY FRAGILE; with the perfect gas composition in the atmosphere?

Do you not see a balancing agent behind all forms of life?

Do you not see the perfect way the manhood of a man fits in the womb of a woman spread around, do you not see the perfect way a woman's teat nourishes a child through every organism.

Do you not bear witness that the evil you see out in the world; if you really reflect upon it is likely a mirror of the flaws in your own heart.

Do you not witness that when people pray to God; their prayers are answered.. that human beings are spiritual creatures who can partially affect/create reality?

Do you not see the patterns of creation in a neuron, the world wide web, and a galaxy?

Do you not witness that the human being is by FAR the most intelligent creature on the face of this planet, but they could never, ever, ever in a million years replicate many natural phenomena?

Do you consider the billions of human being believers since the dawn of mankind liars/fools and you yourself wiser than them?

Do you not see the DIRECT inverse correlation between how sad, hellish, anxious, grieving, hateful the character of people who try to forcefully cover up God VERSUS the general loving and peaceful vibes that emanate from those who conform their will and realize their true nature in respect and submission to God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ Watch this video. Understand that mankind largely has a huge obstacle i.e. their ego and flawed mind blocking them from witnessing God, and part of their journey is to see His hand in everything.

warriorfan

04-04-2016, 09:55 PM

Who made Science?

satan :lol

JEFFERSON MONEY

04-04-2016, 10:03 PM

Meltdown

And science btw

Except that the truth is it was written in calmness.

It's funny now when you're young to mock others, but when you're on your deathbed realizing you ought to have a) strengthened the faith of your fellow man b) that among God's commandments were to never ever utter a lie, and from that rule, among others, came the fruits of civilization c) to actually utilize your intelligence and willpower to appreciate, love, come closer, and realize the Creator as opposed to whatever haphazard thing you call fun.

You'll feel more pain than a bad breakup and the aftereffects of whatever drug/alcohol habit you have atm. Much, much, much, worse pain.

JEFFERSON MONEY

04-04-2016, 10:11 PM

My 10 year old nieces and nephews have a better understanding of how the world works than you :oldlol: Seriously, you don't understand basic fundamental truths such as how building upon other peoples minor discoveries gradually over the course of many years or generations can lead to much greater more compound discoveries and creations. All the discoveries necessary to create modern technology are built upon other discoveries that can be traced back to things as old as mankind itself. You come off as if you not only do not understand concepts such as the evolution of species but you further don't understand our own observable evolution of culture, language and technology - stop wasting your time answering all your questions with 'god did it' and start finding out how much we as mankind actually have figured out through painstaking research and discovery :oldlol:

:rolleyes: Where do thoughts come from? Many geniuses captured ideas, i.e. Buckminster Fuller from the dream world, the sewing machine guy, etc. Others say "necessity is the mother of invention,". Now trace it back ONE more step. Trace it back ONE more step.

Who created the dream world?

Yes, man has labored diligently and created awesome technology through his interaction with other materials; but he is largely an agent rather than the Origin; there is an Origin/Source to all knowledge and wisdom.

Your nephews and nieces might get A's in the current state schools, but TheReals answer is MORE correct. If a cake was being cooked, it would be more accurate and thorough to say that the Woman (whom gathered the eggs, yeast, milk, flour, sugar) used her intelligence to prepare the bowls and the steps, and cooked it than say, the yeast did it (because it rose up)!