Drake's 'Wu Tang Forever'

[andgar923]

:facepalm :facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Go ahead f#ggot defend this garbage.

[Fresh Kid]

this song iz hot garbo.

[plowking]

Whats wrong with it? Good song.

What you want him to do? Spit like Method? GZA?
Its a tribute in his style. It doesn't have to be the same.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Wu Tang forever.

Drake never.

[andgar923]

Whats wrong with it? Good song.

What you want him to do? Spit like Method? GZA?
Its a tribute in his style. It doesn't have to be the same.

Feels like a gimmick and well

[plowking]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Feels like a gimmick and well

[andgar923]

The song is nice. You're just mad because it has Wu in the title.

Big deal.

You typically overrate everything from back then, and underrate anything from today's era, so its no point in having a discussion.

If it was good I'd say it was good.

I call it like I see it, if shit is whack then it's whack, really don't care the era. Just happens that most of the shit back then>>>> Today's

U-God>>> Drake

[DonDadda59]

Big Baby Jesus rolling over in his grave right now :facepalm

http://akirathedon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Ghostface+Killah+Cmon+SON.jpg

[andgar923]

Wu-Tang Forever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vPw3UbNw

Deny away

[lefthook00]

Wu-Tang Forever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vPw3UbNw

Deny away

Top 20 rap song of all time. ALL TIME!!!

[ace23]

The shit been weak, know what I'm saying?
A lot of ****** trying to take hip-hop
And make that shit R&B, rap and bullshit, you know what I'm saying?


Yo, this is true hip-hop you listening to right here
In the pure form, this ain't no R&B with a wack ***** taking the loop
Be looping that shit thinking it's going to be the sound of the culture

..

[plowking]

u know ur a fcking dumb piece of shit when u make andgar look correct

:oldlol:

Hypocrite. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rasheed1]

Wtf?? :biggums:

Hot bullsh*t..

Why put wutang's name on the song and not drop some real sh*t??

[DonDadda59]

Anybody remember that 'Ghostface' review of Drake's album from a few years ago? Pretty much sums up the situation-


Big Ghost Presents: The Take Care Review

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMvpuGrKK74/Tred9jbq8pI/AAAAAAAAAho/2UxbCiO8CKI/s400/Drake+tears.jpg

Ayo whattup yall...the Hands of Zeus aka Thor Molecules aka Phantom Raviolis aka Cocaine Biceps... otherwise known as The Blog King n the Inventor of the Slap...is now officially back in the building namsayin. As summa yalls already kno...the god aint really no big fan of the ***** whose album Im bout to discuss nahmean. But Imma give this shit a unbiased real ass ***** persective yo. Imma ga'head n introduce the ***** now namsayin. Ayo...kinda like ya boy Big Ghost...son goes by many names b...Drizzy or Aubrey or jus Aubs...n the Artist Formerly Known as Wheelchair Jimmy nahmean. But yalls might know him as The Kitten Whisperer aka The Harvester of Pauses aka The Taio Cruz of Hip Hop aka Young Garnier Fructis the pre-*** baby aka Jennifer Aniston's favorite emcee....n the mutha****a most likely to have a gateway to Narnia in his closet aka The Michael Buble of Rap or that ***** witta beatin ****** for a heart that you be hearin on the radio sandwiched between Katy Perry n Lady Gaga joints all day aka Justin Biebers beard n the only ***** on earth capable of turnin sandpaper into moist towelettes wit the touch of his hands...the ****** nectar-garglin ***** who makes lambs look dangerous hisself.....otherwise known as the Human Electric Slide... OctobVariesOwn....Drake. Now I promise yall...I aint got no expectations or plans to hate on this ***** unless the shit jus so happens to be wack nahmean...Word is bond. Truth is...I aint really got nothin against son like that yo. Aight lets go...

Great Read (http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-ghost-presents-take-care-review.html)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Wavves]

I actually like the song. I can see why people might not like it, but if your angry just because he is using the name Wu Tang Forever as a song title you should get the **** over yourself :oldlol:

From what I've heard, the woman he talks about on the song is hip-hop. He's respecting Wu Tang with this song. Using a sample in the song.

[Rasheed1]

Anybody remember that 'Ghostface' review of Drake's album from a few years ago? Pretty much sums up the situation-


Big Ghost Presents: The Take Care Review

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMvpuGrKK74/Tred9jbq8pI/AAAAAAAAAho/2UxbCiO8CKI/s400/Drake+tears.jpg

Ayo whattup yall...the Hands of Zeus aka Thor Molecules aka Phantom Raviolis aka Cocaine Biceps... otherwise known as The Blog King n the Inventor of the Slap...is now officially back in the building namsayin. As summa yalls already kno...the god aint really no big fan of the ***** whose album Im bout to discuss nahmean. But Imma give this shit a unbiased real ass ***** persective yo. Imma ga'head n introduce the ***** now namsayin. Ayo...kinda like ya boy Big Ghost...son goes by many names b...Drizzy or Aubrey or jus Aubs...n the Artist Formerly Known as Wheelchair Jimmy nahmean. But yalls might know him as The Kitten Whisperer aka The Harvester of Pauses aka The Taio Cruz of Hip Hop aka Young Garnier Fructis the pre-*** baby aka Jennifer Aniston's favorite emcee....n the mutha****a most likely to have a gateway to Narnia in his closet aka The Michael Buble of Rap or that ***** witta beatin ****** for a heart that you be hearin on the radio sandwiched between Katy Perry n Lady Gaga joints all day aka Justin Biebers beard n the only ***** on earth capable of turnin sandpaper into moist towelettes wit the touch of his hands...the ****** nectar-garglin ***** who makes lambs look dangerous hisself.....otherwise known as the Human Electric Slide... OctobVariesOwn....Drake. Now I promise yall...I aint got no expectations or plans to hate on this ***** unless the shit jus so happens to be wack nahmean...Word is bond. Truth is...I aint really got nothin against son like that yo. Aight lets go...

Great Read (http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-ghost-presents-take-care-review.html)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: i used die laughin over these reviews

[9erempiree]

From what I've heard, the woman he talks about on the song is hip-hop. He's respecting Wu Tang with this song. Using a sample in the song.

Common Sense already did a song with that kind of theme.

[OldSkoolball#52]

But yalls might know him as The Kitten Whisperer aka The Harvester of Pauses aka The Taio Cruz of Hip Hop aka Young Garnier Fructis the pre-*** baby aka Jennifer Aniston's favorite emcee....n the mutha****a most likely to have a gateway to Narnia in his closet aka The Michael Buble of Rap


****ing "Harvester of Pauses" :roll:



http://nowiknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/01-gold-bar.jpeg

[andgar923]

I actually like the song. I can see why people might not like it, but if your angry just because he is using the name Wu Tang Forever as a song title you should get the **** over yourself :oldlol:

From what I've heard, the woman he talks about on the song is hip-hop. He's respecting Wu Tang with this song. Using a sample in the song.

It's just not that he used WuTang's title, and a sample snippet.

It sucks by all accounts, only his fans will like it.

But aside from that, he's basically the opposite of what Wu is and everything they stand against in this song.

Perhaps if he came in spitting hard shit and not just bite their lines it would be a different story. But how you gonna pay homage and say you're giving respect when you're basically going against everything they stood for?

Drake has some talent, I've heard him spit a bar or two that made me go "That's Drake?… not that bad" naturally, it wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. But the main reason some of us dislike him is due to his style. He comes off as well… CORNY, cause he is. He acts like a boss but we all see through him. He tries to act hard, but he's singing in his songs like a ho ass b*tch.

I mean, he can at least pretend better.

And it aint necessarily about his singing, it's the type of singing. Mos Def is a great example of how a rapper can sing and not sound well… like a F#ggot.

He's just corny all over.

If you looked up 'cornball' in the dictionary he'd have his face plastered all over it.

It aint cause he's Canadian cause there's Canadian rappers that can spit and aren't corny.

[PHX_Phan]

Anybody remember that 'Ghostface' review of Drake's album from a few years ago? Pretty much sums up the situation-


Big Ghost Presents: The Take Care Review

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMvpuGrKK74/Tred9jbq8pI/AAAAAAAAAho/2UxbCiO8CKI/s400/Drake+tears.jpg

Ayo whattup yall...the Hands of Zeus aka Thor Molecules aka Phantom Raviolis aka Cocaine Biceps... otherwise known as The Blog King n the Inventor of the Slap...is now officially back in the building namsayin. As summa yalls already kno...the god aint really no big fan of the ***** whose album Im bout to discuss nahmean. But Imma give this shit a unbiased real ass ***** persective yo. Imma ga'head n introduce the ***** now namsayin. Ayo...kinda like ya boy Big Ghost...son goes by many names b...Drizzy or Aubrey or jus Aubs...n the Artist Formerly Known as Wheelchair Jimmy nahmean. But yalls might know him as The Kitten Whisperer aka The Harvester of Pauses aka The Taio Cruz of Hip Hop aka Young Garnier Fructis the pre-*** baby aka Jennifer Aniston's favorite emcee....n the mutha****a most likely to have a gateway to Narnia in his closet aka The Michael Buble of Rap or that ***** witta beatin ****** for a heart that you be hearin on the radio sandwiched between Katy Perry n Lady Gaga joints all day aka Justin Biebers beard n the only ***** on earth capable of turnin sandpaper into moist towelettes wit the touch of his hands...the ****** nectar-garglin ***** who makes lambs look dangerous hisself.....otherwise known as the Human Electric Slide... OctobVariesOwn....Drake. Now I promise yall...I aint got no expectations or plans to hate on this ***** unless the shit jus so happens to be wack nahmean...Word is bond. Truth is...I aint really got nothin against son like that yo. Aight lets go...

Great Read (http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-ghost-presents-take-care-review.html)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:lol :lol :lol

Shit got me rollin

[plowking]

Typical of andgar to like Mos Def and credit him for his singing, when almost every Mos album where hes strayed from rapping has been looked at as weak.

Wu is against everything Drake stands for? What is that andgar? Please inform us. lol...

Idiots on here talking about music as if its life or death. lol.

[RedBlackAttack]

Anybody remember that 'Ghostface' review of Drake's album from a few years ago? Pretty much sums up the situation-


Big Ghost Presents: The Take Care Review

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cMvpuGrKK74/Tred9jbq8pI/AAAAAAAAAho/2UxbCiO8CKI/s400/Drake+tears.jpg

Ayo whattup yall...the Hands of Zeus aka Thor Molecules aka Phantom Raviolis aka Cocaine Biceps... otherwise known as The Blog King n the Inventor of the Slap...is now officially back in the building namsayin. As summa yalls already kno...the god aint really no big fan of the ***** whose album Im bout to discuss nahmean. But Imma give this shit a unbiased real ass ***** persective yo. Imma ga'head n introduce the ***** now namsayin. Ayo...kinda like ya boy Big Ghost...son goes by many names b...Drizzy or Aubrey or jus Aubs...n the Artist Formerly Known as Wheelchair Jimmy nahmean. But yalls might know him as The Kitten Whisperer aka The Harvester of Pauses aka The Taio Cruz of Hip Hop aka Young Garnier Fructis the pre-*** baby aka Jennifer Aniston's favorite emcee....n the mutha****a most likely to have a gateway to Narnia in his closet aka The Michael Buble of Rap or that ***** witta beatin ****** for a heart that you be hearin on the radio sandwiched between Katy Perry n Lady Gaga joints all day aka Justin Biebers beard n the only ***** on earth capable of turnin sandpaper into moist towelettes wit the touch of his hands...the ****** nectar-garglin ***** who makes lambs look dangerous hisself.....otherwise known as the Human Electric Slide... OctobVariesOwn....Drake. Now I promise yall...I aint got no expectations or plans to hate on this ***** unless the shit jus so happens to be wack nahmean...Word is bond. Truth is...I aint really got nothin against son like that yo. Aight lets go...

Great Read (http://bigghostnahmean.blogspot.com/2011/11/big-ghost-presents-take-care-review.html)
:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's one of the greatest summaries I've ever had the pleasure to read. :bowdown:


(Holy sh!t is Triumph a great track)

[Wavves]

[QUOTE=andgar923]It's just not that he used WuTang's title, and a sample snippet.

It sucks by all accounts, only his fans will like it.

But aside from that, he's basically the opposite of what Wu is and everything they stand against in this song.

Perhaps if he came in spitting hard shit and not just bite their lines it would be a different story. But how you gonna pay homage and say you're giving respect when you're basically going against everything they stood for?

Drake has some talent, I've heard him spit a bar or two that made me go "That's Drake?

[andgar923]

Typical of andgar to like Mos Def and credit him for his singing, when almost every Mos album where hes strayed from rapping has been looked at as weak.

Wu is against everything Drake stands for? What is that andgar? Please inform us. lol...

Idiots on here talking about music as if its life or death. lol.

Been looked at as weak by whom? Mos has been universally hailed even when he sings.

If you don't know what Wu stands for, then you should stop typing now.

[plowking]

Been looked at as weak by whom? Mos has been universally hailed even when he sings.

If you don't know what Wu stands for, then you should stop typing now.

Of course you can't tell me. :oldlol:

You're going to pretend you have elite knowledge like you do in most topics, when you probably slight over some material and act like you wrote the book on it.
You're like first year psych students that act like they can read you when they've read some basic material. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

Of course you can't tell me. :oldlol:

You're going to pretend you have elite knowledge like you do in most topics, when you probably slight over some material and act like you wrote the book on it.
You're like first year psych students that act like they can read you when they've read some basic material. :oldlol:

You're the one acting as if you know shit, you tell me.

It seems most people are disagreeing with you, because you don't have no clue. I'm stating the obvious, no need to explain the obvious, it's your issue if you need me to.

[G-Funk]

dafuq is this shyt

[plowking]

You're the one acting as if you know shit, you tell me.

It seems most people are disagreeing with you, because you don't have no clue. I'm stating the obvious, no need to explain the obvious, it's your issue if you need me to.

You're the one that brought it up dipshit, hence burden of proof on you.

Disagreeing with me? So, they don't like the song, good for them. You're the one telling me that that's not what Wu Tang are about. :oldlol:

Still waiting for you to provide the evidence, but you can't. Deflecting. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

You're the one that brought it up dipshit, hence burden of proof on you.

Disagreeing with me? So, they don't like the song, good for them. You're the one telling me that that's not what Wu Tang are about. :oldlol:

Still waiting for you to provide the evidence, but you can't. Deflecting. :oldlol:

You're the only one that needs to know. Nobody else does cause they don't need it explained to them.

Nobody needs "evidence" of anything because it's common knowledge.

[plowking]

You're the only one that needs to know. Nobody else does cause they don't need it explained to them.

Nobody needs "evidence" of anything because it's common knowledge.

Deflecting. :oldlol:

You really are clueless.

Keep bumping Triumph at Macy's when you're working.

[bdreason]

Wu Tang didn't make music for teenage girls. Drake does. It's really as simple as that.

[andgar923]

Deflecting. :oldlol:

You really are clueless.

Keep bumping Triumph at Macy's when you're working.

This dude is mad:oldlol:

[The-Legend-24]

https://twitter.com/Raekwon/status/378539366316277760
https://twitter.com/REALCAPPADONNA/status/378512997263888384

Dustheads mad as fvck! :oldlol:

[PK3434]

Common Sense already did a song with that kind of theme.

So has cormega, eminem, among others. The girl/hip hop metaphor has been played out for years.

[OldSkoolball#52]

I once made a really long, expressive post about a girl.

But if you read it carefully, you could see I was talking about Jeff.

[Knoe Itawl]

Anything Wu ever says positively in public about Drake is straight politics. Not only did Ghostface (the real one) endorse that Drake review, but I was at a Wu Tang show about a year ago and the crowd started yelling "F*ck Drake" an Meth was egging them on.

Wu doesn't respect that cornball, wack rapper, just like I honestly don't get how anyone who is a true hiphip head could. And by the way, it isn't even about him not being "gangsta" or whatever. I actually feel there SHOULD be more balance in hiphop, like in the old days. But Drake just sucks. And I'll bet Wu respects the hell out of Kid n Play, so it ain't about that for them either. DRAKE JUST SUCKS.

[Rasheed1]

Anything Wu ever says positively in public about Drake is straight politics. Not only did Ghostface (the real one) endorse that Drake review, but I was at a Wu Tang show about a year ago and the crowd started yelling "F*ck Drake" an Meth was egging them on.

Wu doesn't respect that cornball, wack rapper, just like I honestly don't get how anyone who is a true hiphip head could. And by the way, it isn't even about him not being "gangsta" or whatever. I actually feel there SHOULD be more balance in hiphop, like in the old days. But Drake just sucks. And I'll bet Wu respects the hell out of Kid n Play, so it ain't about that for them either. DRAKE JUST SUCKS.


I agree he sucks IMO..

I think there is a lane for Drake, but he shouldnt be trying to rep for Wu. They dont go together

He should just make those corny songs for people who like them and keep Wu Tang's name out his mouth

[Bigsmoke]

love it.

[andgar923]

Anything Wu ever says positively in public about Drake is straight politics. Not only did Ghostface (the real one) endorse that Drake review, but I was at a Wu Tang show about a year ago and the crowd started yelling "F*ck Drake" an Meth was egging them on.

Wu doesn't respect that cornball, wack rapper, just like I honestly don't get how anyone who is a true hiphip head could. And by the way, it isn't even about him not being "gangsta" or whatever. I actually feel there SHOULD be more balance in hiphop, like in the old days. But Drake just sucks. And I'll bet Wu respects the hell out of Kid n Play, so it ain't about that for them either. DRAKE JUST SUCKS.

It's not that he's not 'gangsta' it's that he ACTS as if he's hard when he's not. I agree we need balance but this dude tries too hard to be hard, it comes off as corny cause he's gay.

I agree that the Wu is just being political about the entire thing. Do people really expect them to come out dissing a tribute about them? I'm sure they really are flattered that he's paying homage to them, but I'm sure they don't like the song or his style.

[Quizno]

you guys are such sensitive little bitches :roll:

[-p.tiddy-]

I will stick up for some of the mainstream rappers today...Even Wayne sometimes

I actually like Ross...


Drake sucks though and I have never liked him, like others have said he just reeks of "studio gangsta". I didn't know this track existed until this thread but after hearing it I am actually upset that he made it...why...why...why.

[HardwoodLegend]

I have never gotten the impression that Drake "tries to be hard".

Where are you guys getting this from? A few mob references in his lyrics that aren't meant to be taken literally?

[Kblaze8855]

Go listen to Mr.Excitement and tell me Ugod is better than drake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8z1gTjcb1Y

Drake is a better rapper than 3 people in Wu Tang. Well...that were in wutang.

Far as this:



Wu doesn't respect that cornball, wack rapper, just like I honestly don't get how anyone who is a true hiphip head could. And by the way, it isn't even about him not being "gangsta" or whatever. I actually feel there SHOULD be more balance in hiphop, like in the old days. But Drake just sucks. And I'll bet Wu respects the hell out of Kid n Play, so it ain't about that for them either. DRAKE JUST SUCKS.

Straight hating on someone for being the mainstream in thing. Talking Kid and Play?

Those dudes were rapping nursery rhymes and party tracks. And not especially great ones(though I liked a couple).

Drake is a decent to good rapper who just doesnt have a style I usually listen to. But...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cblcG3cz4

Awful rappers dont even have the flow to do that first verse.


Gucci is an awful rapper.

Drake is more:


Havin' lunch and debatin' Ferrari prices
23 and goin' through a midlife crisis
But trust me, I still deliver like a midwife
And no, I'm not sayin' I'm the nicest, I just live life like it
It take a certain type of man to teach
To be far from hood, but to understand the streets
I never threw away that paper with my Grammy speech
Because I haven't hit the pinnacles I plan to reach


Hes not rapping to appeal to people my age. But hes not just....bad.

Hes a sing songy R&B rapper with his own style.

Hes not making bad music.

Last album of his I heard was flat out better than some of the garbage ass wu tang releases.

RZA has put out some hot garbage.

You tell me this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV97j2Xl-Ic

is better than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBU0JZ3RbY


Im calling you a ****ing liar.

Its mostly the beat(Just blaze rarely lets you down) but its not like RZA doesnt have classic beats on his resume. And hes out there stumbling over an average beat with dumb rhymes about liquor brands and weed while people pretend hes real hip hop and Drake is garbage. But a LOT of his songs are just flat out better than the boring RZA reject beats and rhymes throw on some wutang records.

Lot of people fans my age act like are gods flat out dont put out music worth listening to.

One of you rides to Atlanta or Miami with me and we hit 100 on 85 with Lord Knows on you arent mad about it.

Not all music is for the same situation.

Drake has his place. Hes a party rapper. A ride around middle of the summer rapper.

Hes not making music to sit in the dark by yourself and nod your head to.

But hes good at what he does.

And a LOT of wu tang is just not very good. Sure isnt great.

[Rose'sACL]

i don't listen to rap/hip-hop but one or 2 songs that i have heard of drake are ****ing awful.

[tpols]

Heard I think it was flex on the radio announce this song then play it.. I thought it sucked.

But drake has flow and skill on a lot of other songs..


Seriously tho andgar LOVES cherrypicking only bad moments from the new school and doing the opposite for old school

[Rasheed1]

Go listen to Mr.Excitement and tell me Ugod is better than drake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8z1gTjcb1Y

Drake is a better rapper than 3 people in Wu Tang. Well...that were in wutang.

Far as this:




Straight hating on someone for being the mainstream in thing. Talking Kid and Play?

Those dudes were rapping nursery rhymes and party tracks. And not especially great ones(though I liked a couple).

Drake is a decent to good rapper who just doesnt have a style I usually listen to. But...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cblcG3cz4

Awful rappers dont even have the flow to do that first verse.


Gucci is an awful rapper.

Drake is more:


Havin' lunch and debatin' Ferrari prices
23 and goin' through a midlife crisis
But trust me, I still deliver like a midwife
And no, I'm not sayin' I'm the nicest, I just live life like it
It take a certain type of man to teach
To be far from hood, but to understand the streets
I never threw away that paper with my Grammy speech
Because I haven't hit the pinnacles I plan to reach


Hes not rapping to appeal to people my age. But hes not just....bad.

Hes a sing songy R&B rapper with his own style.

Hes not making bad music.

Last album of his I heard was flat out better than some of the garbage ass wu tang releases.

RZA has put out some hot garbage.

You tell me this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV97j2Xl-Ic

is better than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBU0JZ3RbY


Im calling you a ****ing liar.

Its mostly the beat(Just blaze rarely lets you down) but its not like RZA doesnt have classic beats on his resume. And hes out there stumbling over an average beat with dumb rhymes about liquor brands and weed while people pretend hes real hip hop and Drake is garbage. But a LOT of his songs are just flat out better than the boring RZA reject beats and rhymes throw on some wutang records.

Lot of people fans my age act like are gods flat out dont put out music worth listening to.

One of you rides to Atlanta or Miami with me and we hit 100 on 85 with Lord Knows on you arent mad about it.

Not all music is for the same situation.

Drake has his place. Hes a party rapper. A ride around middle of the summer rapper.

Hes not making music to sit in the dark by yourself and nod your head to.

But hes good at what he does.

And a LOT of wu tang is just not very good. Sure isnt great.

you trying to hard on this one...

Drake can f*ck wit U-God and RZa on their bad days..

that's it..

He can't see

GZA
Raekwon
Ghostface
Meth
Master Killa
Deck

Never

He can't even f*ck with Cappadonna

I agree when you say he has a place.. He just needs to stay in it.. dont talk about "Wu Tang Forever" He dont know nothing about that

[-p.tiddy-]

I have never gotten the impression that Drake "tries to be hard".

Where are you guys getting this from? A few mob references in his lyrics that aren't meant to be taken literally?
I said fck ya unless I'm with ya if I take you out of the picture I know real nggas won't miss ya no lie no lie no liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...

Real nggas say word...

[iggy>]

Lol ghostface is awful.

[-p.tiddy-]

RZA has some absolute classics of his own...Drake can't touch him at all.

Tragedy is classic

Domestic violence is amazing
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oDFW7j_A4iE

[Rasheed1]

Lol ghostface is awful.


I dont know what you smoking right now.. Drake aint even on the same planet as Ghostface AKA Tony Starks

[ace23]

Lol ghostface is awful.
:oldlol:

[iggy>]

Lmao Ghostface is a lyrical midget, f*ck outta here.

[Rasheed1]

Lmao Ghostface is a lyrical midget, f*ck outta here.

:roll: you smoking that crack rock... cause that is the dumbest thing anybody has said in this thread

[iggy>]

Where is ghostface multies, wordplay, punchlines metaphors, or clever observations? Hes f*ckin average at best. Wu tang fans are delusional pole smokers. Odb and ghostface aren't good.

[Rasheed1]

Where is ghostface multies, wordplay, punchlines metaphors, or clever observations? Hes f*ckin average at best. Wu tang fans are delusional pole smokers. Odb and ghostface aren't good.

:lol Im talking to somebody who don't know sh*t ... Where is his multis and his wordplay? he does all that plus he's a master at stories

he's up there with Nas when it comes to storytelling... and he's a shitload of metaphors and wordplay.. He's TOO wordy at times..

stop playing dumb... go back and listen to Ironman or Cuban Lynx, or fish scale..

[iggy>]

U dont have to be lyrical to be a storyteller. And u just said nas and ghostface in the same sentence. :facepalm

[iggy>]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXJRuhE1_h8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is your idea of lyricism? :facepalm

he doesnt even belong in wu tang.

[HardwoodLegend]

I said fck ya unless I'm with ya if I take you out of the picture I know real nggas won't miss ya no lie no lie no liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...

Real nggas say word...

Are you serious?

:facepalm

That doesn't necessarily translate to "I'm hard... I'll kill you". You're taking lines way too literally. Drake likes to often point out how it's just "me myself and all my millions"... "I could turn your boy into the man... there ain't really too much out here that's poppin off without us". That line you posted could easily be interpreted as him having the power of starting or ending someone's career in the game.

I was expecting you to post the "catch a body like that" lyric.

[Rasheed1]

U dont have to be lyrical to be a storyteller. And u just said nas and ghostface in the same sentence. :facepalm


I said he tells stories on Nas's level.. you just face palmed ya self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf_BsCiJ6Sc

:bowdown:

That aint average rap.... that's kool G, Nas level sh*t...

[Rasheed1]

he doesnt even belong in wu tang.


crack kills fam.. Get off that sh*t :oldlol:

[iggy>]

I said he tells stories on Nas's level.. you just face palmed ya self

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf_BsCiJ6Sc

:bowdown:

That aint average rap.... that's kool G, Nas level sh*t...
I respectfully disagree. Lol. Cant argue with a fellow philadelphian on ish, it just isn't right.

[Rasheed1]

I respectfully disagree. Lol. Cant argue with a fellow philadelphian on ish, it just isn't right.

f*ck it then... We just disagree... Philly fam all love.. :cheers:

[Rasheed1]

1 more..

I forgot about Necro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MNwArl4OA

:bowdown:

[-p.tiddy-]

Are you serious?

:facepalm

That doesn't necessarily translate to "I'm hard... I'll kill you". You're taking lines way too literally. Drake likes to often point out how it's just "me myself and all my millions"... "I could turn your boy into the man... there ain't really too much out here that's poppin off without us". That line you posted could easily be interpreted as him having the power of starting or ending someone's career in the game.

I was expecting you to post the "catch a body like that" lyric.
That line is probably supposed to be subjective but to me "real ngga" and "hard" go hand in hand...when Drake starts yappin "real ngga" this and that he is putting himself in those shoes IMO. And don't tell me 'real ngga' could also mean 'honest guy' or somethin. No he is talking about street bred.

[HardwoodLegend]

That line is probably supposed to be subjective but to me "real ngga" and "hard" go hand in hand...when Drake starts yappin "real ngga" this and that he is putting himself in those shoes IMO. And don't tell me 'real ngga' could also mean 'honest guy' or somethin. No he is talking about street bred.

He's not really putting himself in those shoes.

Kblaze posted this Drake lyric earlier in the thread:

"It take a certain type of man to teach
To be far from hood, but to understand the streets"

He's saying that his understanding of the streets has earned him "real n*ggas" as fans, so if he takes you out of the game the "real n*ggas" will still continue to follow him and bump his $hit without giving you a second thought.

[bdreason]

Ghostface can't rap? :oldlol:


Real hip-hop w/ lyrics included;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhzUWx_XIhs

[bdreason]

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Drake is a kid actor turned studio rapper who makes music for teenage girls. He's made a ton of money, so good on him, but he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as rappers like Ghostface. :no:

[-p.tiddy-]

He's not really putting himself in those shoes.

Kblaze posted this Drake lyric earlier in the thread:

"It take a certain type of man to teach
To be far from hood, but to understand the streets"

He's saying that his understanding of the streets has earned him "real n*ggas" as fans, so if he takes you out of the game the "real n*ggas" will still continue to follow him and bump his $hit without giving you a second thought.
Okay I see what you are saying and it makes sense but you can't really be confused as to why Drake gives people a studio gangsta vibe when most of his hits are collaborations with artists who do claim to be gangstas...Wayne, Ross, Chains, etc

[tpols]

Okay I see what you are saying and it makes sense but you can't really be confused as to why Drake gives people a studio gangsta vibe when most of his hits are collaborations with artists who do claim to be gangstas...Wayne, Ross, Chains, etc
and none of those guys are gangsters either... all in the same boat really. If you have a problem with Drake it must be 10x worse for ross. 90% of rappers that claim to be hard never did much.

[ace23]

The song he did on Fallon is 10x better than this. It's actually a great song.

[Bigsmoke]

you trying to hard on this one...

Drake can f*ck wit U-God and RZa on their bad days..

that's it..

He can't see

GZA
Raekwon
Ghostface
Meth
Master Killa
Deck

Never

He can't even f*ck with Cappadonna

I agree when you say he has a place.. He just needs to stay in it.. dont talk about "Wu Tang Forever" He dont know nothing about that

Drake better than all of them besides Ghost, rae, and gza

Drake down the line might be better than all of them tho

[oh the horror]

Drake better than all of them besides Ghost, rae, and gza

Drake down the line might be better than all of them tho


Drake is better than Method Man?


Bro just stop.

[oh the horror]

Drake better than all of them besides Ghost, rae, and gza

Drake down the line might be better than all of them tho


Caught the second line...

Down the line might be better than all of them.


In what fu*king sense?!

[andgar923]

Heard I think it was flex on the radio announce this song then play it.. I thought it sucked.

But drake has flow and skill on a lot of other songs..


Seriously tho andgar LOVES cherrypicking only bad moments from the new school and doing the opposite for old school
I'm cherry picking?

I never denied that every era had whack rappers. I have stated that even some of the whack rappers from the past >>> today's avg rapper.

Today's standards are simply lower than before.

As weak as nelly was, he's still better than many of today's popular rappers.

Shit, PM F*ckin Dawn are the 90s version of Drake, but nobody took them serious like they do Drake.

Kanye is regarded as possibly this generations best rapper, yet he would've been just another member of pharcyde if he came out then.

Kendrick Lamar perhaps the hottest mc today wouldn't even be the best rapper from LA in the 90s.

The cat from CC Music Factory and Snap>>> half of today's popular rappers.

[The-Legend-24]

Wu Tang didn't make music for teenage girls. Drake does. It's really as simple as that.
This dude probably just listens to the radio friendly singles. DMCB, Fear, Stay Scheming verse are definitely for teenages girls. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

This dude probably just listens to the radio friendly singles. DMCB, Fear, Stay Scheming verse are definitely for teenages girls. :oldlol:
You still proved his point tho.

[The-Legend-24]

"Real Hip Hop fans" are the worst.

[CarlosBoozer]

"Real Hip Hop fans" are the worst.
true, I seriously don't understand them :oldlol:

[plowking]

You still proved his point tho.

LOL at this idiot still babbling on.

Still can't tell me what Wu are actually about, and deflected Wu members actually supporting the song. :oldlol:

[Rasheed1]

Drake better than all of them besides Ghost, rae, and gza

Drake down the line might be better than all of them tho


Dumb mofos. :lol

Drake cant f*ck wit Masta killa or inspecta deck.. he cant even see Cappadonna

Drake down the line? :oldlol: try to keep up.. who is making a tribute to who?

Thats right.. Wu would never big up drake..

stop wit the butthurt BS

kids on ISH posting BS just for the hell of it... STOP

[Bigsmoke]

Drake is better than Method Man?


Bro just stop.

Solo wise. Method aint done shit but gave us Tical and Tical didnt impact shit.

Method man can kick a better verse but Drake is a better artist. Clearly

[Bigsmoke]

Dumb mofos. :lol

Drake cant f*ck wit Masta killa or inspecta deck.. he cant even see Cappadonna

Drake down the line? :oldlol: try to keep up.. who is making a tribute to who?

Thats right.. Wu would never big up drake..

stop wit the butthurt BS

kids on ISH posting BS just for the hell of it... STOP

Im not blind by nostagic

Masta killer and Dech never drop anything that changed the game like Take Care or So Far Gone

[Fresh Kid]

drake is even worse than he was before, his songs are tha same, subject matter iz tha same, many songs sounds similar, very very overrated, tha sad thing iz that drake iz better than this too, hip hop needs to be saved, or should i say music in general needs to be saved. damn smh.

[Rasheed1]

Im not blind by nostagic

Masta killer and Dech never drop anything that changed the game like Take Care or So Far Gone


:roll: you're just flat dumb deaf and blind.. Drake hast "changed the game" and he can't see any of the wu tang.. thats why he made a song using their names.. To boost his rep..

:facepalm and for future reference? its Deck.. not Dech :oldlol:

[iggy>]

Most "real hip hop fans" are close-minded as hell.

[Knoe Itawl]

Go listen to Mr.Excitement and tell me Ugod is better than drake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8z1gTjcb1Y

Drake is a better rapper than 3 people in Wu Tang. Well...that were in wutang.

Far as this:




Straight hating on someone for being the mainstream in thing. Talking Kid and Play?

Those dudes were rapping nursery rhymes and party tracks. And not especially great ones(though I liked a couple).

Drake is a decent to good rapper who just doesnt have a style I usually listen to. But...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cblcG3cz4

Awful rappers dont even have the flow to do that first verse.


Gucci is an awful rapper.

Drake is more:


Havin' lunch and debatin' Ferrari prices
23 and goin' through a midlife crisis
But trust me, I still deliver like a midwife
And no, I'm not sayin' I'm the nicest, I just live life like it
It take a certain type of man to teach
To be far from hood, but to understand the streets
I never threw away that paper with my Grammy speech
Because I haven't hit the pinnacles I plan to reach


Hes not rapping to appeal to people my age. But hes not just....bad.

Hes a sing songy R&B rapper with his own style.

Hes not making bad music.

Last album of his I heard was flat out better than some of the garbage ass wu tang releases.

RZA has put out some hot garbage.

You tell me this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV97j2Xl-Ic

is better than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBU0JZ3RbY


Im calling you a ****ing liar.

Its mostly the beat(Just blaze rarely lets you down) but its not like RZA doesnt have classic beats on his resume. And hes out there stumbling over an average beat with dumb rhymes about liquor brands and weed while people pretend hes real hip hop and Drake is garbage. But a LOT of his songs are just flat out better than the boring RZA reject beats and rhymes throw on some wutang records.

Lot of people fans my age act like are gods flat out dont put out music worth listening to.

One of you rides to Atlanta or Miami with me and we hit 100 on 85 with Lord Knows on you arent mad about it.

Not all music is for the same situation.

Drake has his place. Hes a party rapper. A ride around middle of the summer rapper.

Hes not making music to sit in the dark by yourself and nod your head to.

But hes good at what he does.

And a LOT of wu tang is just not very good. Sure isnt great.

Haha, you're outta your mind. Drake is not better than anyone in Wu. As far as Kid N Play is concerned, I mentioned Wu respecting them because no one was putting Kid N Play as some great lyrical rappers. They had their own space. But cats is acting like Drake is somehow actually a good rapper. And you're confusing sub par work at times, with subpar SKILL. They are two different things.

Oh, and peep this from UGod. Tell me Drake has spit anything like that. Just no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxDefqb_Dzc

Or RZA's verse on this (By the way, no one said that RZA never made anything subpar, just that overall he blows away Drake as a rapper. No question, period, end of story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxDefqb_Dzc

Drake is wack. And part of what makes him so wack is that he's a cornball acting like he's not a cornball. It isn't only about technical proficiency.

Also, no one who was in Wu Tang is no longer in Wu Tang (save ODB). These cats are doing high profile shows even now with all their members.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8VdJeKc2UI

[Knoe Itawl]

Im not blind by nostagic

Masta killer and Dech never drop anything that changed the game like Take Care or So Far Gone

Masta Killa and Dek didn't have watered down, corny rhymes easily sold by marketing gurus. Drake was MADE by the industry, Wu steamrolled and forced their way into the industry. Two completely different things. Get a clue.

[Knoe Itawl]

Most "real hip hop fans" are close-minded as hell.

And most "causal hip hop fans" are not very knowledgeable. Most of mainstream hip hop is dictated by what pop fans (the same ones who buy Ke$ha, etc.) buy. If you think they know much about "real hip hop", or that their views should be as respected as someone who has actually put a lot of time in in learning the music then you're crazy.

[iggy>]

And most "causal hip hop fans" are not very knowledgeable. Most of mainstream hip hop is dictated by what pop fans (the same ones who buy Ke$ha, etc.) buy. If you think they know much about "real hip hop", or that their views should be as respected as someone who has actually put a lot of time in in learning the music then you're crazy.
Hating everything mainstream=close-minded. Theres nothing wrong with liking both. Believe it or not, its possible to like drake and wu tang at the same damn time (just 2 examples, dont fly off the handle). You guys want to go to war with everyone who listens to anything remotely mainstream, its retarded.

[Knoe Itawl]

Hating everything mainstream=close-minded. Theres nothing wrong with liking both. Believe it or not, its possible to like drake and wu tang at the same damn time (just 2 examples, dont fly off the handle). You guys want to go to war with everyone who listens to anything remotely mainstream, its retarded.

Did you read what I wrote? Your diatribe is aimed at what you THINK my mentality is. I could give a f&ck if something is mainstream or underground as long as it's GOOD (there is garbage in both areas). It just so happens that because most mainstream stuff these days is terrible because it is so corporate,and thus devoid of creativity.

To be fair, is Drake Soulja Boy, 2Chains, Gucci bad? No. I'll dial back my comment earlier that he "sucks". It's just that he's annoying because he's a cornball, he's mediocre and he was pushed by powerful industry interests into the forefront. All of that contributes to the strong dislike a lot of people have for him.

[andgar923]

Im not blind by nostagic

Masta killer and Dech never drop anything that changed the game like Take Care or So Far Gone

How did he "change the game"?

So he started to rap sing with auto-tune… yeah because that's never been done before :rolleyes:

I need to know exactly how he "changed the game"…. I'm serious. He put Canadian rappers on the map? :confusedshrug: which is just him. I don't know maybe it's just me, but pelase elaborate.

Eminem changed the game
LL Cool J changed the game
Ice T changed the game
Kool G Rap changed teh game

I'll even go as far as to say Kanye def had an impact and I'm not a fan of his. But Drake?

What exactly did he do?

Usher in an era of 'Glee' rappers?

[andgar923]

LOL at this idiot still babbling on.

Still can't tell me what Wu are actually about, and deflected Wu members actually supporting the song. :oldlol:

And you're still on my nuts (as usual).

[ace23]

Kendrick Lamar perhaps the hottest mc today wouldn't even be the best rapper from LA in the 90s.
He's not the best rapper from LA today.

[andgar923]

@ Kblaze….

Drake's flow is almost non-existent. His rhyming patterns are like most of today's style which is very simplistic. That's part of the reason many of us criticize most of today's rappers.

It aint 'hating' on a new era, because there is some rappers that are dope. It's just most of today's rappers are simplistic, have a simple style that's reminiscent of the early 80s, and even then, there's artists from the 80s that had better flow and rhymes. It seems as tho rap has regressed to some degree

So while he (Drake) may have a decent line here and there (I aknowledged this already) it still isn't that impressive when you consider the entire package. Weak delivery, basic flow (at best), elementary rnyming scheme/pattern, that pretty much offsets a clever wordplay or line.

Even rapping most of today's rap songs are easy to spit. One needed some sort of practice to spit some of the verses from past rappers due to the complexity on how they were built.

I remember a hip hop honors tribute on VH1, and TI attempted to do a tribute to Kane, he COULDN'T. It was a bad tribute, then Black Thought came on and he showed him how it's done. Most of today's rappers simply don't practice that actual art of 'rapping'. They just throw lazy lines and that's it. Cats used to 'practice' rapping back then. Doesn't seem like that's the case anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBT2mLIsy8M

And Ti's verse is relatively simple compared to what Black Thought spit.

[andgar923]

PM Dawn vs Drake?

close call

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAoqUq0oExg

Tough one indeed.

[Quizno]

[QUOTE=andgar923]@ Kblaze

[andgar923]

it's funny because you really have no clue how ignorant you are :oldlol:

prove me otherwise or STFU

[andgar923]

One of today's most popular rappers, considered a legend by some

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7c-YPsb7Z8

vs a rapper that's considered a 'pop' rapper. Not considered one of the greatest mcees by a long shot. A rapper that 'sang' for b*tches, a wannabe thug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Midc_Ho7LxI

Not a fan of Ja, yet anybody that's objective will tell you ja is miles better.

[red1]

Not really feeling this track.

[red1]

@ Kblaze….

Drake's flow is almost non-existent. His rhyming patterns are like most of today's style which is very simplistic. That's part of the reason many of us criticize most of today's rappers.

It aint 'hating' on a new era, because there is some rappers that are dope. It's just most of today's rappers are simplistic, have a simple style that's reminiscent of the early 80s, and even then, there's artists from the 80s that had better flow and rhymes. It seems as tho rap has regressed to some degree

So while he (Drake) may have a decent line here and there (I aknowledged this already) it still isn't that impressive when you consider the entire package. Weak delivery, basic flow (at best), elementary rnyming scheme/pattern, that pretty much offsets a clever wordplay or line.

Even rapping most of today's rap songs are easy to spit. One needed some sort of practice to spit some of the verses from past rappers due to the complexity on how they were built.

I remember a hip hop honors tribute on VH1, and TI attempted to do a tribute to Kane, he COULDN'T. It was a bad tribute, then Black Thought came on and he showed him how it's done. Most of today's rappers simply don't practice that actual art of 'rapping'. They just throw lazy lines and that's it. Cats used to 'practice' rapping back then. Doesn't seem like that's the case anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBT2mLIsy8M

And Ti's verse is relatively simple compared to what Black Thought spit.
You have a serious case of rose tinted glasses. I dont blame you because we all do the same shit and assume "our stuff" is better. Rap right now >>> 80s rap. It is one thing to say that you don't like the shit drake raps about but it is a whole other ballgame when you say modern rappers can't rap.

[Knoe Itawl]

You have a serious case of rose tinted glasses. I dont blame you because we all do the same shit and assume "our stuff" is better. Rap right now >>> 80s rap. It is one thing to say that you don't like the shit drake raps about but it is a whole other ballgame when you say modern rappers can't rap.

Rose tinted glasses my ass. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane would rap circles around all of these clowns out today, even WITH their 80s flow. The below was made by a SIXTEEN year old LL Cool J and lyrically shyts on most of what's out in the mainstream today. And btw, this was done by someone who was in the pioneering era of hip hip, not like these wack cats today that have THIRTY YEARS of innovation to be inspired from yet STILL have lazy, boring styles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtzjJgLNsOI

[ace23]

I know all the eras of hip hop (though admittedly not so much the past 10 years or so mainstream because it's mostly garbage) and I call it like I see it. The funny thing is most people say older hip hop shyts on modern rap. It's clear to anyone with ears and discerning taste.]

Lol

[Knoe Itawl]

[QUOTE=andgar923]@ Kblaze

[DonDadda59]

"Real Hip Hop fans" are the worst.

Problem with hip pop fans these days is that they couldn't give 2 shits if a guy can rap or not, long as dat beat hot :rockon:

A lot of guys just get by mumbling and putting ***** at the end of every line. But dat beat hot doe so it don't matta :rockon:

[Knoe Itawl]

Problem with hip pop fans these days is that they couldn't give 2 shits if a guy can rap or not, long as dat beat hot :rockon:

A lot of guys just get by mumbling and putting ***** at the end of every line. But dat beat hot doe so it don't matta :rockon:

LOL yup. And on the real, I can get that not everyone is into music for the "art" of it. That is, some people just want a sound they can party to, listen to in their car, etc. and don't really have discerning tastes. But if that's you, then shut the f*ck up and stay in that lane.

Also, so Don Dada, Don Da Don Dada Don Dada. Sorry, every time I see your name it reminds me of the below and that part comes into my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4570rK7iU

[HardwoodLegend]

LOL yup. And on the real, I can get that not everyone is into music for the "art" of it. That is, some people just want a sound they can party to, listen to in their car, etc. and don't really have discerning tastes. But if that's you, then shut the f*ck up and stay in that lane.

Different moods call for different music. There's no need to "stay in that lane".

I'm into music for the art of it, but sometimes I like to vibe to some meaningless, empty ignant tunes. I've never understood why some people have this "you're either with us or against us" type mentality when it comes to art when art comes in multiple forms to be enjoyed.

I'm a fan of both Wu Tang and Drake, Aesop Rock and A$AP Rocky, El-P and Jay-Z, etc.

[iggy>]

I'm of a very similar mindstate. My thing is people are just too easily impressed. Anyone can say rhymes over a beat. My opinion is that people should DEMAND more out of rappers. The below is my example of the pinnacle of emceeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyUUf42XyaA

I just can't listen to sh1t like that an accept Drake or these inferior rappers Just can't do it.
Slim shady>>> kool g rap

Kool g was one of the originators of multiple syllable rhyming, but slim mastered it.

[iggy>]

Different moods call for different music. There's no need to "stay in that lane".

I'm into music for the art of it, but sometimes I like to vibe to some meaningless, empty ignant tunes. I've never understood why some people have this "you're either with us or against us" type mentality when it comes to art when art comes in multiple forms to be enjoyed.

I'm a fan of both Wu Tang and Drake, Aesop Rock and A$AP Rocky, El-P and Jay-Z, etc.
I couldn't have said it better myself. :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

Different moods call for different music. There's no need to "stay in that lane".

I'm into music for the art of it, but sometimes I like to vibe to some meaningless, empty ignant tunes. I've never understood why some people have this "you're either with us or against us" type mentality when it comes to art when art comes in multiple forms to be enjoyed.

I'm a fan of both Wu Tang and Drake, Aesop Rock and A$AP Rocky, El-P and Jay-Z, etc.

Everyone does. But you can still display lyrical skill doing that kind of music. Some of Wu's songs are some of the most ignorant shit you'll ever come across (I'm looking at you Freeloading Rusty), doesn't mean you get a pass for mumbling and using the most basic and unimaginative rhyme schemes possible.

Perfect example- this is one of the 'hottest' 'rappers' out right now. I will paypal you $50 if you can write down his 'lyrics' without looking them up somewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StPFx9PTA5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5rpTDoUx0


Also, so Don Dada, Don Da Don Dada Don Dada. Sorry, every time I see your name it reminds me of the below and that part comes into my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4570rK7iU

Classic :rockon:

Haven't heard that in a while. It's amazing how much Sean Paul swagger-jacked Cat. Sounds exactly like him, it's eerie.

[Knoe Itawl]

Slim shady>>> kool g rap

Kool g was one of the originators of multiple syllable rhyming, but slim mastered it.

I didn't even mention anything about Eminem. Did you just feel like mentioning him? Also, anyone who would say Eminem >>>> Kool G Rap has suspect hip hop intelligence. Eminem himself wouldn't say that. It's one thing to say you think Eminem is better, but to say >>>>> like he just crushes him is way ignorant.

[Rasheed1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StPFx9PTA5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE5rpTDoUx0



Classic :rockon:

Haven't heard that in a while. It's amazing how much Sean Paul swagger-jacked Cat. Sounds exactly like him, it's eerie.

Don Dadda, here is the version you should rock~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3fBrbskUU
:rockon: :rockon:

Classic :bowdown:

[Dasher]

I enjoyed the song. I'm not sure how it sullies the name of The Wu-Tang Clan seeing how several members of the collective have made similar songs to Drake's song. Hell Ghostface made a career out of making mid-tempo R&Bish songs AND Method Man made a bid to join the mainstream by making a classic R&B-Hop song.

I'd also like to know what exactly The Wu stands/stood for and why this song is an affront to their legacy.

[iggy>]

I didn't even mention anything about Eminem. Did you just feel like mentioning him? Also, anyone who would say Eminem >>>> Kool G Rap has suspect hip hop intelligence. Eminem himself wouldn't say that. It's one thing to say you think Eminem is better, but to say >>>>> like he just crushes him is way ignorant.
You claimed he was "the pinnacle of emceeing." Slim shady trumps him, its not close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Ba2oMVwmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Rasheed1]

I enjoyed the song. I'm not sure how it sullies the name of The Wu-Tang Clan seeing how several members of the collective have made similar songs to Drake's song. Hell Ghostface made a career out of making mid-tempo R&Bish songs AND Method Man made a bid to join the mainstream by making a classic R&B-Hop song.

I'd also like to know what exactly The Wu stands/stood for and why this song is an affront to their legacy.


Wu brought a whole new slant to hip hop... You know what else they specialized in that rappers today fail to understand??

BEING ORIGINAL!!

they built a whole world of karate/urban music and fused it together.. They also had a whole crew of rappers who had their own ORIGINAL (there's that word again) styles

I dont see how anybody could even ask "what did Wu stand for" :biggums:

[HardwoodLegend]

But you can still display lyrical skill doing that kind of music.

I don't think that always has to be a requirement.

If someone wants to specialize in easily accessible chant-along anthems, I don't see a problem. It's simply a different sub-genre.

[Rasheed1]

You claimed he was "the pinnacle of emceeing." Slim shady trumps him, its not close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Ba2oMVwmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


C'mon bruh :facepalm Im hafta come up to north philly and have a talk with you..

[Knoe Itawl]

I enjoyed the song. I'm not sure how it sullies the name of The Wu-Tang Clan seeing how several members of the collective have made similar songs to Drake's song. Hell Ghostface made a career out of making mid-tempo R&Bish songs AND Method Man made a bid to join the mainstream by making a classic R&B-Hop song.

I'd also like to know what exactly The Wu stands/stood for and why this song is an affront to their legacy.

I don't think this is an "affront to their legacy", blah blah blah. Drake is just wack, and his attempt to somehow affiliate with Wu with this track that does nothing to "pay homage" to them is just another example of that, that's all. Has nothing to do with it having R&B in it.

[Knoe Itawl]

You claimed he was "the pinnacle of emceeing." Slim shady trumps him, its not close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Ba2oMVwmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

First of all, saying he reached the pinnacle of emceeing just means that he has gotten to the heights of the art, not that no one else has also reached the pinnacle of emceeing. Secondly, anyone who would say that Eminem trumps G Rap and it isn't close is really not worthy of having a hip hop conversation with, because obviously they are either an Em dykrider or ignorant. No one with an extensive knowledge of hip hop and both of their respective careers would say that. And you can bet no legendary emcess would ever say that.. So everyone's entitled to their opinion, however given how ignorant I feel yours is, I don't really wish to continue debating with you.

[red1]

Knoeitawl, drake is a good artist regardless what you think. I see why some people dont like him since he is soft as f*ck and talks about catching bodies but his music is more hit than miss and that isnt something I can say about most rappers.

[red1]

Problem with hip pop fans these days is that they couldn't give 2 shits if a guy can rap or not, long as dat beat hot :rockon:
This is too true. I listen to tunes when I am smoking up or getting myself hype to work out and when you smoke you feel the beat more than the words. Thats why lil wayne is too nice. He rides the beat like noone else, best smoke music hands down. Nowadays lyricism is falling off but production is becoming too nice. You find the worst rappers with the hottest beats.

This shit right here puts me in the zone when I spark one up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TqckF87f5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Amkcpx2GZo

[tpols]

[QUOTE=andgar923]@ Kblaze

[tpols]

I'm of a very similar mindstate. My thing is people are just too easily impressed. Anyone can say rhymes over a beat. My opinion is that people should DEMAND more out of rappers. The below is my example of the pinnacle of emceeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyUUf42XyaA

I just can't listen to sh1t like that an accept Drake or these inferior rappers Just can't do it.
lol.. that song is so bland and boring.. like hes trying too hard to ryhme everything together just for the sake of it. Christ that sucked.

[Rasheed1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dvULQQ-390

^On the run..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyuVlY1QkJU

Kool G is 2nd up.. :bowdown:

He young and hungry... Him Kane destroy that track.. :cheers:

he used to do it without even cursing

[Knoe Itawl]

lol.. that song is so bland and boring.. like hes trying too hard to ryhme everything together just for the sake of it. Christ that sucked.

I don't know whether you're referring to the overall skill of the emcee, or just the song but Kool G Rap is respected by all of the legends in hip hop, and has frequently been called "your favorite rapper's favorite rapper". Guaranteed he will be in the top 5 (many times 1 or 2) on the lists of most legendary rappers. If it's just the song you're referring to, each his own.

[Knoe Itawl]

This is so wrong.. and Im in general agreement in that I like older artists more.. mainly because Im used to them and have listened to them more.


The ONLY thing Drake is notable for is his flow. He knows how to mix up his tone speed style just how to say shit depending on how the song is going.

Youre one of those guys that hears a song here and there and formulates an opinion on something like youre an expert.

LOL, you diss G Rap's flow on that song and big up Drake's? Really all I need to know about your opinion.

[tpols]

I don't know whether you're referring to the overall skill of the emcee, or just the song but Kool G Rap is respected by all of the legends in hip hop, and has frequently been called "your favorite rapper's favorite rapper". Guaranteed he will be in the top 5 (many times 1 or 2) on the lists of most legendary rappers. If it's just the song you're referring to, each his own.
I mean I dont like ranking rappers anymore because its not really a competition.. oh my fav rappers more skilled than yours. Who cares? Should be about the vibe you catch from the song and the mood it puts you in..

Thats part of the reason you guys love that real old shit because it brings back a familiar positive feeling aka nostalgia and only reinforces your feelings on the artist.


Then you hear something you have never related to and immediately get defensive over it and start acting like what makes you feel right is more sophisticated and better. Its fvcking music, theres no right or wrong.

[Knoe Itawl]

This is too true. I listen to tunes when I am smoking up or getting myself hype to work out and when you smoke you feel the beat more than the words. Thats why lil wayne is too nice. He rides the beat like noone else, best smoke music hands down. Nowadays lyricism is falling off but production is becoming too nice. You find the worst rappers with the hottest beats.

This shit right here puts me in the zone when I spark one up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TqckF87f5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Amkcpx2GZo

This is why I usually stay out of threads on hip hop because there's just such a wide gap between what I respect, and the shyt that passes for it these days.

The first joint was just empty gangster posturing with a sub par rapper with bland lyrics blah blah I'll shoot you, blah blah I'm a gangsta. At least if you do crime rhyme have some witty lyrics, a deadly flow, SOMETHING. That's about as generic as it comes.

The second joint was L'il Wayne. Nuff said.

[Knoe Itawl]

I mean I dont like ranking rappers anymore because its not really a competition.. oh my fav rappers more skilled than yours. Who cares? Should be about the vibe you catch from the song and the mood it puts you in..

Thats part of the reason you guys love that real old shit because it brings back a familiar positive feeling aka nostalgia and only reinforces your feelings on the artist.


Then you hear something you have never related to and immediately get defensive over it and start acting like what makes you feel right is more sophisticated and better. Its fvcking music, theres no right or wrong.

And this right here is why there's such an overwhelming opinion that modern hip hop sucks (and I see it more and more from young heads too, not just older heads "being nostalgic"

People had that exact same mentality of letting garbage pass because "dont' be a hater" and the music has suffered greatly as a result. The general consensus (even if you like a lot of today's mainstream rap) is that there's no comparison to 90s rap. Why do you think that is? Because people just started letting anything go with the mentality of "Hey, it's just f* music, there's no right and wrong".

In order for any art form to advance there has to be standards, the constant pursuit of excellence, constructive criticism, etc. If not, then it stagnates and devolves. That's what happens when anything goes and people don't call out wackness. That's why hip hop is in the state it's in.

[Rasheed1]

I mean I dont like ranking rappers anymore because its not really a competition.. oh my fav rappers more skilled than yours. Who cares?

Hip hop is about the combination of music and lyrical SKILL ..

Its supposed to be a craft.. You supposed to care about the a rapper's skill :oldlol:

Chuck D had an analogy about today's rap.. He said rap today is mediocre because most of the MCs dont care about skill.. They care more about making money than honing their craft

When you go to an NBA game and watch the players play? you dont sit in the stands and think "I can do that".. It takes special skill to play on that level

When you hear today's rapper's? you think "I could do that"

there is nothing special about most of the rapper's you hear out there today

[Knoe Itawl]

and they don't have to know shit or care about it. i have way more respect for someone who enjoys music and listens to the radio than a whiny 30 year old who is obsessed with their 90s new york rap [andgar, kblaze, doom other insufferable people]

Ok, now run along and listen to your 2Chainz album.

[Knoe Itawl]

lol i haven't yet but have heard good things. will do

Ok. Now run along and pick up that Chief Keef.

[red1]

This is why I usually stay out of threads on hip hop because there's just such a wide gap between what I respect, and the shyt that passes for it these days.

The first joint was just empty gangster posturing with a sub par rapper with bland lyrics blah blah I'll shoot you, blah blah I'm a gangsta. At least if you do crime rhyme have some witty lyrics, a deadly flow, SOMETHING. That's about as generic as it comes.

The second joint was L'il Wayne. Nuff said.
I can understand why someone wouldn't like this type of music but your opinion is pretty bad to be honest.

[Rasheed1]

I can understand why someone wouldn't like this type of music but your opinion is pretty bad to be honest.


It was pretty Generic tho..

[Knoe Itawl]

I can understand why someone wouldn't like this type of music but your opinion is pretty bad to be honest.

It's OK sparky. You think Drake is more "hit than miss" so I could say the same about your opinion, to be honest.

[tpols]

Hip hop is about the combination of music and lyrical SKILL ..

Its supposed to be a craft.. You supposed to care about the a rapper's skill :oldlol:

Chuck D had an analogy about today's rap.. He said rap today is mediocre because most of the MCs dont care about skill.. They care more about making money than honing their craft

When you go to an NBA game and watch the players play? you dont sit in the stands and think "I can do that".. It takes special skill to play on that level

When you hear today's rapper's? you think "I could do that"

there is nothing special about most of the rapper's you hear out there today
I mean I have gotten just as zoned and into songs by rich homie quan and ross as i have by biggie and eminem.. its the vibe they put out.

Its not a competition. Rap battles would fit that analogy.. but music in general is an art, meant to express feeling in its listeners. You get an artificial sense of pride when you tell people how much better your taste is.. when in the end it doesnt matter. Its pure opinion.

[red1]

It's OK sparky. You think Drake is more "hit than miss" so I could say the same about your opinion, to be honest.
Sparky? :oldlol: Drake is more hit than miss; that is a fact.

[red1]

It was pretty Generic tho..
His opinion is wack and that is not the part that prompted the response

[Knoe Itawl]

Sparky? :oldlol: Drake is more hit than miss; that is a fact.

Like I said, I typically don't bother to get into these hip hop discussion threads because discussion usually just devolves into a back and forth between those with the "f!ck it, anything goes" mentality and those of us who feel there should be standards in how emcees are judged.

I will reiterate, that it's a widespread opinion that hip hop has fallen tremendously from the heights it once had as an art form, and I'm content with the evidence that strongly indicates that. Drake is wack though. I mean, if you want to big up a Canadian rapper I'd even take Kardinal Offishal over him.

[Knoe Itawl]

His opinion is wack and that is not the part that prompted the response

And then I chime in with your opinion is wack, then you say my opinion is wack blah blah blah.

Your opinion is wack though. :oldlol: You big upped Drake and that generic stuff you linked to. This prompted my response.

[ace23]

Jesus, Knoe Itawl is worse than Al.

[red1]

Like I said, I typically don't bother to get into these hip hop discussion threads because discussion usually just devolves into a back and forth between those with the "f!ck it, anything goes" mentality and those of us who feel there should be standards in how emcees are judged.

I will reiterate, that it's a widespread opinion that hip hop has fallen tremendously from the heights it once had as an art form, and I'm content with the evidence that strongly indicates that. Drake is wack though. I mean, if you want to big up a Canadian rapper I'd even take Kardinal Offishal over him.
Here is the issue though. If you are really going to follow through on your logic then you have to judge everything by the lyrical standard of kool g, rakim, etc. You have to automatically consider all music that is not as lyrically complex to be inferior since to you good music means complicated structure and rhyme schemes. You'll have a hard time finding anything to listen to

Here is the reality of the situation though. Listening to music is not this intellectual endeavor where everything has to be complicated. Good music simply means music that sounds good. Personally I'll take a hot beat and good lyricism over amazing lyrical ability and a mediocre beat. I agree that there are obvious negative trends today but if you can't understand why people listen to lil wayne or gucci than that is on you. Something that you lack, not them. There is a lane for everything and everyone who acts like "80s and 90s rap is better because of such and such" just sounds like the grumpy old man who is always looking for an excuse to say that things were better in his day.

[ace23]

Here is the issue though. If you are really going to follow through on your logic then you have to judge everything by the lyrical standard of kool g, rakim, etc. You have to automatically consider all other music that is not as lyrically complex to be inferior since to you good music means complicated structure and rhyme schemes.
Kool G and Rakim don't have complicated rhyme schemes or lyrics. That's the thing. If you're going to be an elitist, at least know your shit.

[red1]

Kool G and Rakim don't have complicated rhyme schemes or lyrics. That's the thing. If you're going to be an elitist, at least know your shit.
Knowitall also thinks ll cool j is a better rapper than lil wayne.

[ace23]

Knowitall also thinks ll cool j is a better rapper than lil wayne.
That I can understand. Not sure that I agree, but I can definitely see that, especially with the shit Weezy's putting out now.

[Rasheed1]

I mean I have gotten just as zoned and into songs by rich homie quan and ross as i have by biggie and eminem.. its the vibe they put out.

I can get "zoned" listening to house music... :confusedshrug: music thats gets you "zoned" isnt unique to hip hop

So what?

Biggie & Eminem have this in common... They take pride in their lyrical skill and hip hop heads care about a rapper's lyrical skill.. that is what hip hop is based on..

that is why soo many people say hip hop is dead.. If you dont care? thats fine, but you cant turn around and whine about the people who say the lyrics and the MCs suck nowadays..




Its not a competition. Rap battles would fit that analogy.. but music in general is an art, meant to express feeling in its listeners. You get an artificial sense of pride when you tell people how much better your taste is.. when in the end it doesnt matter. Its pure opinion.

:facepalm You are totally missing the point.. There is a place for garbage rap over great beats, but MCing and hip hop was made to be an art form... it wasnt whatever... People love the best rapper's because they actually have skill .... Alot of the lyrics and content coming these days is flat out mediocre.. you cant get mad when people call it what it is..

Just say you like that style and let that be that..

Like I said earlier in the thread, there is a lane for Drake, but he needs to stay in his lane... Dont try to marry his soft ass style with Wu Tang :oldlol:

thats ridiculous and people are gonna call it ridiculous...

[Rasheed1]

Here is the issue though. If you are really going to follow through on your logic then you have to judge everything by the lyrical standard of kool g, rakim, etc. You have to automatically consider all music that is not as lyrically complex to be inferior since to you good music means complicated structure and rhyme schemes. You'll have a hard time finding anything to listen to


Thats another false argument... If you can't match up on the lyrical skill then you have to be ORIGINAL..

Wu Tang was soo great because they had both skill and originality.

look at a group like NWA... They werent the most lyrical dudes around, but they were original and pioneered their style and stuck to it..

Tribe called Quest did the same thing...

Nice & smooth.. same thing

there is room for everyone, but you gotta stay true to what you are (especially if you can't match up lyrically)..

Like I already said... Drake should do Drake..

but please keep WU tang's name out of it.. He made a weak attempt with Wu tang forever and people are like WTF was that?

[Rasheed1]

Kool G and Rakim don't have complicated rhyme schemes or lyrics. That's the thing. If you're going to be an elitist, at least know your shit.


:oldlol: WTF??

they dont have complicated scheme because they did that sh*t in the f*cking 1980s ... jesus christ...


Thats like saying the wright brothers didnt fly far enough when they invented flying

:kobe:

they created the foundation upon which more complicated rhyming schemes were built.. one thing you can tell by listening to them is they actually cared about their lyrical skills

[plowking]

Jesus, Knoe Itawl is worse than Al.

Woah. Throwin the biggest insults in the book out there. :eek:

[The-Legend-24]

Good music > Dictionary raps.

[DonDadda59]

Good music > Dictionary raps.

That you, Waka? (http://youtu.be/Gqdl6bBs9vw?t=4m45s)

The sad state of hip pop summarized right here :facepalm

[The-Legend-24]

That you, Waka? (http://youtu.be/Gqdl6bBs9vw?t=4m45s)

The sad state of hip pop summarized right here :facepalm
Damn, never knew Waka said that. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Damn, never knew Waka said that. :oldlol:

Waka Flocka Flame is the voice of his generation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9A2L-KyNPM) :rockon:

Literally.

[Rasheed1]

That you, Waka? (http://youtu.be/Gqdl6bBs9vw?t=4m45s)

The sad state of hip pop summarized right here :facepalm


:biggums: That n*gga lazy and stupid.. Thats the problem right there.. He cares about money more than being a good rapper..

Then? to top it off he is too stupid to realize how dumb he sounds saying that.. he actually takes pride in bringing nothing to the table :oldlol:

thats crazy

[DonDadda59]

:biggums: That n*gga lazy and stupid.. Thats the problem right there.. He cares about money more than being a good rapper..

Then? to top it off he is too stupid to realize how dumb he sounds saying that.. he actually takes pride in bringing nothing to the table :oldlol:

thats crazy

Like I said, the guy is the voice of his generation. He articulated how pop rappers and their fans view the art form, or what was an art form anyway. Give him this at least- he's honest. He knows the deal. Knows he has no talent whatsoever, has no lyrics, couldn't freestyle if his life depended on it.

But he gettin guap n dat beat's alwayz tight doe so's all gud lol :rockon:

[-p.tiddy-]

Waka is a complete moron but there were plenty like him In the 90s

I agree that good rap doesn't have to have overly serious and complex lyrics to be good...it is a really bad fit for the club/party scene in general...dumbed down lyrics work better at parties...'serious' rap is good for the car or your headphones...

I love the Wu, some of my favorite shit ever, but no one at a night club wants to hear GZA break down the science of a black hole...it just doesn't work in that setting

[-p.tiddy-]

Lots of people take shit too seriously and are miserable tw@ts
Tw@t is a good word. Under utilized

[Kblaze8855]

Knoe and Rasheed...you being more my generation than some of these others im gonna give you two songs id like your honest opinion on. Made by another of DJ Kahleds endless Bugatti yelling mixtape rappers. I just want your honest feedback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDeeGobUQj4&feature=share&list=FLHfaUhCryGafUSp3yH7CJgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQSjrlRPnw



I just want to know...would you say he can rap?

Just curious.

[ace23]

:oldlol: WTF??

they dont have complicated scheme because they did that sh*t in the f*cking 1980s ... jesus christ...


Thats like saying the wright brothers didnt fly far enough when they invented flying

:kobe:

they created the foundation upon which more complicated rhyming schemes were built.. one thing you can tell by listening to them is they actually cared about their lyrical skills
So you agree that G Rap and Rakim didn't have complex lyrics or structure? Okay, thanks.

[bdreason]

Knoe and Rasheed...you being more my generation than some of these others im gonna give you two songs id like your honest opinion on. Made by another of DJ Kahleds endless Bugatti yelling mixtape rappers. I just want your honest feedback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDeeGobUQj4&feature=share&list=FLHfaUhCryGafUSp3yH7CJgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQSjrlRPnw



I just want to know...would you say he can rap?

Just curious.


Better than anything Drake has ever produced. Better subject matter and much better rapper. Probably makes 1% of what Drake makes though... because he doesn't target teenage females.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Knoe and Rasheed...you being more my generation than some of these others im gonna give you two songs id like your honest opinion on. Made by another of DJ Kahleds endless Bugatti yelling mixtape rappers. I just want your honest feedback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDeeGobUQj4&feature=share&list=FLHfaUhCryGafUSp3yH7CJgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQSjrlRPnw



I just want to know...would you say he can rap?

Just curious.

Ill put in my 2 pennies.....

I honestly havent listened to any Ace Hood that I can recall, i had heard of him and for some reason assumed he was lame, i expected both songs to be terrible, but both songs were dope. I ended up looking up a couple more of his songs. He can rap, he has emotion and depth in his lyrics and i feel like he is genuine, his content is meaningful. Some of the beats he raps on arent really my style and are a bit too corny/stereotypical "turn up" type stuff. Would love to hear him on a DJ Premier beat :rockon:

[andgar923]

There's different music for different things, I think we all agree on that.

But what 'passes' or is considered good today is generally weak compared to past eras (not all of course, ther'es Lupe and others). And that's what we criticize, the shit that gets passed for supposedly 'good' rap.

Again, like some of us mentioned, we all listen to all sorts of rap. Ignant shit, lyrical shit, club shit etc.etc. and again

[plowking]

The Wu stands for raw shit, they stand for lyrics, they stand for the streets, origninality, they stand for keeping it real, and not for watered down feminine rap. If anybody needed an explanation than they haven't been listening and need to logoff and listen.



LOL.

Wu stands for streets and lyrics? Drake has plenty of songs more lyrical than shit ODB, U-God and others have released from Wu. Keeping it real? What does that even mean? :oldlol:
That's a bullshit, overused phrase that you don't even have a clue about. In what way is Drake not keeping it real? Because he doesn't act like a gangsta? :oldlol: If anything hes more natural than most of the Wu members.

Originality? Sure. :rolleyes:
There wasn't a single rapper out that made the fusion music Drake made, apart from maybe Kanye, and he was shit at it when he did it.


You're an idiot who thinks your subjective opinion is fact, and clearly takes himself way too seriously. :oldlol: Its music dummy. Not life or death.

[HardwoodLegend]

because he doesn't target teenage females.

How does Drake target teenage females?

He sings to the ladies a lot, but it only happens to appeal to teenage females as well as those in their 20's. But, what does Drake put in his material to suggest he's specifically interested in those in their teens?

Sounds like a bitter remark.

[andgar923]

There's actually dudes that believe Drake is a GOAT worthy rapper, there's tons of people that believe Kanye is GOAT now.

Holla when he spits better than this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_NlIDwvwc

That's from 87

It aint a simplistic pattern, rhyme scheme.

Busta aint the best, but even he spits better club shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91a_qytlfSU

:dancin :dancin

i doubt most rappers today can even spit this shit, let alone write it. Lyrical gymnastics

One of the greatest dance songs EVAAAAAA!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sTmie1IYD4

Simple, yet the flow and rhymes are better than some shit that passes for rapping today.

[andgar923]

LOL.

Wu stands for streets and lyrics? Drake has plenty of songs more lyrical than shit ODB, U-God and others have released from Wu. Keeping it real? What does that even mean? :oldlol:
That's a bullshit, overused phrase that you don't even have a clue about. In what way is Drake not keeping it real? Because he doesn't act like a gangsta? :oldlol: If anything hes more natural than most of the Wu members.

Originality? Sure. :rolleyes:
There wasn't a single rapper out that made the fusion music Drake made, apart from maybe Kanye, and he was shit at it when he did it.


You're an idiot who thinks your subjective opinion is fact, and clearly takes himself way too seriously. :oldlol: Its music dummy. Not life or death.

Again, if you need to ask then you dont get it.

OH I forgot you're from Australia :rolleyes:

I'm sure Drake has a few that are more lyrical than UGod. Ugod is universally regarded as the weakest Wu member (by far). And yet, he still has more songs in which he's better than Drake than Drake >>> him

Drake aint original, shoot yoruself if you believe that.

And btw

[PHX_Phan]

Jesus, Knoe Itawl is worse than Al.

Yup.

Cracks me up that people are making such a big deal over this shit.

[plowking]

lol...

You can sit here and pretend Drake can't flow, but even listening to one of his more average songs in HYFR, you can see hes one of the best in terms of flow. He changes it up about 4 or 5 times alone in the first verse.

You can keep posting all the 80's and 90's bullshit you want, but no one apart from the rest of your 40 year old posse on here is listening.

And lol at putting Busta in this discussion. There are about 3 rappers ever to be able to do the stuff he does. That's a slight on Drake now?

[plowking]

Again, if you need to ask then you dont get it.

OH I forgot you're from Australia :rolleyes:

You're embarrassing yourself, 30 something year old, Macy's worker.


I'm sure Drake has a few that are more lyrical than UGod. Ugod is universally regarded as the weakest Wu member (by far). And yet, he still has more songs in which he's better than Drake than Drake >>> him

:oldlol:


Drake aint original, shoot yoruself if you believe that.

Yet you can't name any artists that do what he does. :oldlol:

[QUOTE]And btw

[andgar923]

lol...

You can sit here and pretend Drake can't flow, but even listening to one of his more average songs in HYFR, you can see hes one of the best in terms of flow. He changes it up about 4 or 5 times alone in the first verse.

You can keep posting all the 80's and 90's bullshit you want, but no one apart from the rest of your 40 year old posse on here is listening.

And lol at putting Busta in this discussion. There are about 3 rappers ever to be able to do the stuff he does. That's a slight on Drake now?

Compared to who? Gucci Mane?

That's the problem. People wont listen and learn.

If somebody told me when I was coming up "check out this cat" I'd listen. Even today if somebody tells me "So so is weak, listen to this artist" I'm gonna listen an analyze.

But keep believing Drake has one of the best flows.

[bdreason]

How does Drake target teenage females?

He sings to the ladies a lot, but it only happens to appeal to teenage females as well as those in their 20's. But, what does Drake put in his material to suggest he's specifically interested in those in their teens?

Sounds like a bitter remark.


He targets young females because that is the demographic that actually still pays for music. This isn't some industry secret, and Drake certainly isn't the only one who does it.

How many Drake albums have you purchased?

[HardwoodLegend]

That's the problem. People wont listen and learn.

I listened to all of the tracks you posted, and plowking is right. Drake's flow on HYFR blows all of those away. If you listened with an open minded, you'd realize this fact.

[andgar923]

You're embarrassing yourself, 30 something year old, Macy's worker.



:oldlol:



Yet you can't name any artists that do what he does. :oldlol:



Interesting that he failed. Considering getting the praise of Wu members on twitter, and already there has been a remix recorded, and set to be available soon. :oldlol:
Guess you're just wrong, like usual.

you mad? :lol

Don't like me bringing up Australia?

You expect Wu members to diss a track in their homage? sure.

It may have succeeded cause his fans like it. Look around the web, even people from this generation aren't praising it. So it aint a generational thing, it's only his fans (even then some don't like it) that like it. What I meant he failed I meant in terms of what the Wu stood for.

You can't make an homage to somebody in such way that displays the opposite of what they stood for.

It's like me dedicating a song to MLK by a Nazi hate group spitting hatred.

[HardwoodLegend]

He targets young females because that is the demographic that actually still pays for music. This isn't some industry secret, and Drake certainly isn't the only one who does it.

How many Drake albums have you purchased?

I have the 'Take Care' CD. That's it.

But, point out lyrics and music videos that are specifically meant to target teen girls. All I see is a man living a grown man lifestyle in music videos and talking about a lot of grown folk fly $hit. If teen girls are attracted to that, that's simply because they're trying to be older than they are. There is nothing in his music that comes across as being "for teenage girls" though.

[Quizno]

that eric b and rakim song andgar posted made my ears bleed. you should really warn us before you go and post some bullshit like that

[Budadiiii]

I have the 'Take Care' CD. That's it.

But, point out lyrics and music videos that are specifically meant to target teen girls. All I see is a man living a grown man lifestyle in music videos and talking about a lot of grown folk fly $hit. If teen girls are attracted to that, that's simply because they're trying to be older than they are. There is nothing in his music that comes across as being "for teenage girls" though.
You make a good point. Teenage girls will always be intrigued by what's popular.

Eminem has a ton of teenage fangirls, but does that discredit his shit or make it weak? Of course not

[andgar923]

I listened to all of the tracks you posted, and plowking is right. Drake's flow on HYFR blows all of those away. If you listened with an open minded, you'd realize this fact.

I do

You're both wrong

I always listen to any music with an open mind, that's what I've been trained to do. My intention is never to go into hating something. I try to be ignorant to what I'm about to listen to so I go in without a preset bias. Otherwise my musical tastes wouldn't be more than a spec of a specific style and genre.

I stated Drake has moments.

But even in those moments (which are few) they're nothing great, nothing memorable.

Buck Owens>>>

[andgar923]

that eric b and rakim song andgar posted made my ears bleed. you should really warn us before you go and post some bullshit like that

Your loss

[plowking]

you mad? :lol
About what?


Don't like me bringing up Australia?

Why would I care? Australia is one of, if not, the best country in the world. I probably earn more than you do here working casually and I'm still finishing my degree. :oldlol:


You expect Wu members to diss a track in their homage? sure.
You're acting as if no one has knocked back an award or looked upon a homage negatively.




You can't make an homage to somebody in such way that displays the opposite of what they stood for.

It's like me dedicating a song to MLK by a Nazi hate group spitting hatred.

No its not. Why are you pretending as if your analogy is close to true.

[bdreason]

I have the 'Take Care' CD. That's it.

But, point out lyrics and music videos that are specifically meant to target teen girls. All I see is a man living a grown man lifestyle in music videos and talking about a lot of grown folk fly $hit. If teen girls are attracted to that, that's simply because they're trying to be older than they are. There is nothing in his music that comes across as being "for teenage girls" though.



You don't think "take care" is targeted at females? I'm not even saying it's a bad song, but it's a typical, mainstream, relationship song targeted at young females.

I'd be interested to hear a track from Drake that doesn't target the typical female subjects i.e. money, cars, clubs, dance, relationships. I've honestly only heard his mainstream stuff, so maybe he has some tracks that tackle other issues beyond the typical superficial subjects used to attract female listeners. :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

About what?



Why would I care? Australia is one of, if not, the best country in the world. I probably earn more than you do here working casually and I'm still finishing my degree. :oldlol:


You're acting as if no one has knocked back an award or looked upon a homage negatively.





No its not. Why are you pretending as if your analogy is close to true.

I bring up Australia to show how out of touch you are thus taking away any sort of credibility you had so you get upset and attack me personally. You don't get certain things because you're not from that culture, otherwise you wouldn't be asking. Why would anybody attack somebody personally if they're not upset?

If you make an avg of $800 (after taxes) per check every week good for you. Good luck in your studies, I aint gonna knock a man for their situation. But if it makes you feel better good for you.

I've lived and experienced more than 98% of the people here. Done things most wish they have done. I've had a fun life, made bad decisions but it is what it is I still got memories. Hopefully you can experience a tenth of what I have after you graduate and make tons of money.

And YES others have knocked a tribute, go ahead and name them

[Quizno]

The Wu probably didn't wanna get labeled as haters. They're happy that a new generation will give them a chance so they'll just give him props and wait for the sales to jump.
so much for keeping it real :oldlol:

[Rasheed1]

So you agree that G Rap and Rakim didn't have complex lyrics or structure? Okay, thanks.


typical acting dumb on purpose and giving a stupid one line answer in order to avoid actually responding to what was said..

I said they laid the foundation for future rappers to come and build on it further..

I have seen some of your stuff you posted and you dont have this "complex lyrics or structure" you always talk about, so stop the BS.. the stuff they made in 80s is better than your stuff today

Rakim and G Rap were plenty complex for the era they rapped in. They were the ones who did it first.. That is why ignorant so called fans like know who they are today.. They are legends because of their skill, not in spite of it.

They might not be as lyrically tight as Nas or some of the newer legends, but see, the rappers who can lay down the best lyrics actually respect the people who paved the way (people like Rakim & G Rap).

Today you get clowns like Waka FLockaa (or whatever his f*ckin name is) who are too lazy to take pride in his craft. He's not adding anything to the genre. He said it himself, he's just wanna make a couple of dollars.. Basically raping the genre to paid by selling half ass music

other people in this thread have echoed his thinking "I dont wanna hear no dictionary rap" :facepalm

like I already, you like whatever music you want but dont get mad and start b*tchin when people say the music BS and its killing the integrity of the genre..

[HardwoodLegend]

You don't think "take care" is targeted at females? I'm not even saying it's a bad song, but it's a typical, mainstream, relationship song targeted at young females.

I'd be interested to hear a track from Drake that doesn't target the typical female subjects i.e. money, cars, clubs, dance, relationships. I've honestly only heard his mainstream stuff, so maybe he has some tracks that tackle other issues beyond the typical superficial subjects used to attract female listeners. :confusedshrug:

Now you're saying "females". A few posts back you were saying "teenage girls". My whole point is that I do believe Drake targets females, but his intent is to target females of his age. Teenage girls and pre-teen girls in jr. high even latch on to that kind of stuff beyond their years no matter what.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

LOL.

Wu stands for streets and lyrics? Drake has plenty of songs more lyrical than shit ODB, U-God and others have released from Wu. Keeping it real? What does that even mean? :oldlol:
That's a bullshit, overused phrase that you don't even have a clue about. In what way is Drake not keeping it real? Because he doesn't act like a gangsta? :oldlol: If anything hes more natural than most of the Wu members.

Originality? Sure. :rolleyes:
There wasn't a single rapper out that made the fusion music Drake made, apart from maybe Kanye, and he was shit at it when he did it.


You're an idiot who thinks your subjective opinion is fact, and clearly takes himself way too seriously. :oldlol: Its music dummy. Not life or death.
Dude Drake is a obv a talented artist, he has flow, a decent voice etc.. but hes the ****ing clitoris of rap. If you really don't understand how hes not keeping it real then you are not at all a fan of rap or hip hop. Why are you even participating in this discussion? I dont go into threads about hockey and discuss the best hockey players... thats what you're doing.

Most R&B artists are harder than drake. Dude is more emotional than a pregnant woman.

[plowking]

Dude Drake is a obv a talented artist, he has flow, a decent voice etc.. but hes the ****ing clitoris of rap. If you really don't understand how hes not keeping it real then you are not at all a fan of rap or hip hop. Why are you even participating in this discussion? I dont go into threads about hockey and discuss the best hockey players... thats what you're doing.

Most R&B artists are harder than drake. Dude is more emotional than a pregnant woman.

Hes a crossover artist that fuses music styles.

No where does it say you have to be gangsta and hardcore to rap. Childish Gambino has a huge underground following with bullshit "real hip hop" fans, and he's nothing like that either.
Drake just gets hate because he can blend two completely different styles together, and simply because he was on Degrassi. :oldlol:

At the end of the day, he makes good music. I don't care if hes gangsta/hardcore or not. Fact is, hes more natural, and has more of a claim to "keeping it real" than most. He doesn't pretend to be something hes not. Yet I bet if I bring up the names Mobb Deep and 2Pac, I'll be told how they're real, yet they were stage performers and dancers growing up. :oldlol:
They're entertainers at the end of the day. The music is what counts.

[bdreason]

Now you're saying "females". A few posts back you were saying "teenage girls". My whole point is that I do believe Drake targets females, but his intent is to target females of his age. Teenage girls and pre-teen girls in jr. high even latch on to that kind of stuff beyond their years no matter what.


Teenage females, young females, whatever, you're arguing semantics. He isn't targeting 30 year old women. He's targeting, young, naive females; teenagers and girls in their 20's. That is the demographic that still pays for music. That is the demographic that most mainstream pop artists target these days.

[plowking]

Teenage females, young females, whatever, you're arguing semantics. He isn't targeting 30 year old women. He's targeting, young, naive females; teenagers and girls in their 20's. That is the demographic that still pays for music. That is the demographic that most mainstream pop artists target these days.

Who would you say made up the majority of Eminem's fan base? How about 2pac?

[Quizno]

Teenage females, young females, whatever, you're arguing semantics. He isn't targeting 30 year old women. He's targeting, young, naive females; teenagers and girls in their 20's. That is the demographic that still pays for music. That is the demographic that most mainstream pop artists target these days.
you're telling me a 26 year old rapper is attracting 20-somethings to his music?! wow, he's so fake :facepalm

[ace23]

typical acting dumb on purpose and giving a stupid one line answer in order to avoid actually responding to what was said..

I said they laid the foundation for future rappers to come and build on it further..

I have seen some of your stuff you posted and you dont have this "complex lyrics or structure" you always talk about, so stop the BS.. the stuff they made in 80s is better than your stuff today

Lol, are you talking about my shit or the shit I post from other artists? Both are definitely more complex in structure and lyrically than your Rakims, etc.

Anyway, dude said G Rap and Rakim were lyrically complex. They are not. That's all I'm saying. I don't care about 90% of the shit you just posted.

[bdreason]

you're telling me a 26 year old rapper is attracting 20-somethings to his music?! wow, he's so fake :facepalm


I never said he was fake. I'm simply pointing out that he's a pop artist, who purposefully targets the pop artist fanbase. When he sits down to write a track, he isn't trying to be creative or make personal, unique music. He considers his target audience (young females) and sticks to a formula that works. He's in the business of making pop music, and he's very good at it.

[bdreason]

Who would you say made up the majority of Eminem's fan base? How about 2pac?



Young, white males.


Are you actually trying to compare Drake to Eminem and 2pac? :wtf:

[PHX_Phan]

Can't believe this thread is still going.

Lol at 'real' hip hop heads trying to bring validity to the boring shit they listen to. Like no one has ever heard or bothered to listen to the huge names people have been dropping for the last 15+ years.

We get it.

[Rasheed1]

Lol, are you talking about my shit or the shit I post from other artists? Both are definitely more complex in structure and lyrically than your Rakims, etc.

Im talking about YOU...your sh*t.. its not more complex and its definitely not better than anything Rakim or G rap put out 20 years ago..



Anyway, dude said G Rap and Rakim were lyrically complex. They are not. That's all I'm saying. I don't care about 90% of the shit you just posted.

and that's the main point.. you dont care just like Woka Focka doesnt care...

Some of the younger posters on here are echoing your sentiment, and that's the reason so many people say hip hop is dead

its your prerogative not to care.. :confusedshrug: but you cant then turn around and act butthurt and try to object when people say today's sh*t generally sucks..

[ace23]

Im talking about YOU...your sh*t.. its not more complex and its definitely not better than anything Rakim or G rap put out 20 years ago..
Yes it is. The rhyme structure is objectively more complex lol. Say what you want about the lyrics.

I wouldn't expect you to feel my shit anyway, old ass. :roll:

[HardwoodLegend]

Teenage females, young females, whatever, you're arguing semantics. He isn't targeting 30 year old women. He's targeting, young, naive females; teenagers and girls in their 20's. That is the demographic that still pays for music. That is the demographic that most mainstream pop artists target these days.

Not arguing semantics. I don't see how you conclude he's targeting or exploiting "naivety".

He makes music for both dudes who wanna floss and also women who are looking for love and a fun time out in the nightlife.

I get that he's more pop than hip hop, but there seems to be some sort of underlying bitterness in the way you're trying to characterize him.

[KingMichael23]

Hes a crossover artist that fuses music styles.

No where does it say you have to be gangsta and hardcore to rap. Childish Gambino has a huge underground following with bullshit "real hip hop" fans, and he's nothing like that either.
Drake just gets hate because he can blend two completely different styles together, and simply because he was on Degrassi. :oldlol:

At the end of the day, he makes good music. I don't care if hes gangsta/hardcore or not. Fact is, hes more natural, and has more of a claim to "keeping it real" than most. He doesn't pretend to be something hes not. Yet I bet if I bring up the names Mobb Deep and 2Pac, I'll be told how they're real, yet they were stage performers and dancers growing up. :oldlol:
They're entertainers at the end of the day. The music is what counts.
I guess 2Pac isn't keepin it real when he jumped out of his car when he saw 2 drunk guys bullying a homeless man. They told him to get back in his car and then one of the guys smashed Pac's window. He stepped out and shot one of them. Turns out, they were off duty cops who stole guns from the evidence room. Case was dropped against Pac. Also at a concert in Chicago, Pac was pissed when he heard about kids being around 8 years old being in gangs killing each other. He was talking shit to the Chicago crowd saying "How could y'all do that to kids. Having kids kill each other?! F*** all y'all!" And was ready to fight. Got into with some of the crowd throwing chairs and stuff. Spice 1 and his crew was there to back Pac up. Isn't that keepin it real?

[Rasheed1]

Yes it is. The rhyme structure is objectively more complex lol. Say what you want about the lyrics.

I wouldn't expect you to feel my shit anyway, old ass. :roll:

its because Im older than you? :oldlol: OK whatever makes you feel better about it.m lol

has nothing to do with my age... Your sh*t sucks and yet you cling to some idea about how complex it is

:kobe:

its hot garbage.. thats why its doubly ironic to see you trying to criticize legends who put out material 20 years ago that is still light years ahead of anything you can come up with..

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Hes a crossover artist that fuses music styles.

No where does it say you have to be gangsta and hardcore to rap. Childish Gambino has a huge underground following with bullshit "real hip hop" fans, and he's nothing like that either.
Drake just gets hate because he can blend two completely different styles together, and simply because he was on Degrassi. :oldlol:

At the end of the day, he makes good music. I don't care if hes gangsta/hardcore or not. Fact is, hes more natural, and has more of a claim to "keeping it real" than most. He doesn't pretend to be something hes not. Yet I bet if I bring up the names Mobb Deep and 2Pac, I'll be told how they're real, yet they were stage performers and dancers growing up. :oldlol:
They're entertainers at the end of the day. The music is what co who unts.
You stay talking some bullshit.

Drake gets hate cus of the content of his lyrics and his image. Do you actually listen to his songs? Or you just like the way they sound? Its impossible to have this discussion with people like you because all you see is the most superficial level. You dont see the art, you dont see the true hip hop. You dont even care, you just want to argue just to argue. Like you aren't trying to have an actual discussion, you just want to come out feeling like you were right about whatever you said.

Mobb deep and tupac aren't real... oh my lord..

[ace23]

its because Im older than you? :oldlol: OK whatever makes you feel better about it.m lol

has nothing to do with my age... Your sh*t sucks and yet you cling to some idea about how complex it is

:kobe:

its hot garbage.. thats why its doubly ironic to see you trying to criticize legends who put out material 20 years ago that is still light years ahead of anything you can come up with..
My shit is not even that complex. I'm not that type of artist.

Where your fans at though, brah?

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Can't believe this thread is still going.

Lol at 'real' hip hop heads trying to bring validity to the boring shit they listen to. Like no one has ever heard or bothered to listen to the huge names people have been dropping for the last 15+ years.

We get it.
Nah I get it... you wanna throw on some drake, or some lil wayne n Tyga... smoke a few blunts, sing a long to the hooks with your bffs Kyle and Steve.. Yolo all evening... and then watch sponge bob with your homies before your mom comes to pick you up. You cant do that with our boring shit.

[Rasheed1]

My shit is not even that complex. I'm not that type of artist.

Where your fans at though, brah?



my fans are the kids I mentor and the people who I help through the work I do with the homeless initiative "brah" .... SMH


where are your fans??

[ace23]

my fans are the kids I mentor and the people who I help through the work I do with the homeless initiative "brah" .... SMH


where are your fans??
Got over 500 worldwide and at least 100 here in Houston.

Vet in the rap game, son. **** a Rakim.

Peace.

[bdreason]

Not arguing semantics. I don't see how you conclude he's targeting or exploiting "naivety".

He makes music for both dudes who wanna floss and also women who are looking for love and a fun time out in the nightlife.

I get that he's more pop than hip hop, but there seems to be some sort of underlying bitterness in the way you're trying to characterize him.


I'm just calling it how I see it. I think they guy is a genius, making millions in music in an era where it's hard to make millions in music.


From an artistic standpoint I find his music shallow and uninspiring. When people try to compare Drake to artists like Eminem and 2Pac, I think it's laughable at best. It's like comparing Britney Spears to Adele.

[PHX_Phan]

Nah I get it... you wanna throw on some drake, or some lil wayne n Tyga... smoke a few blunts, sing a long to the hooks with your bffs Kyle and Steve.. Yolo all evening... and then watch sponge bob with your homies before your mom comes to pick you up. You cant do that with our boring shit.

You sound like that dude that always has the same tired top 20 hits from the 90's bumping in his car.

You probably have the same playlist for work, gym, parties and time with your girl (hand):lol

If your music tastes are so narrow that this works for you - more power to you. I like listening to a range of artists that don't all give me the same shit in a different packaging.

[Rasheed1]

Got over 500 worldwide and at least 100 here in Houston.

Vet in the rap game, son. **** a Rakim.

Peace.

you got 500 fans worldwide huh? :lol F*ck a Rakim because he doesnt have that many

*smh* god, you are a poser...

[Element]

All these fuggin old school elitists make me lol, I used to be one of you f.aggots until I started realizing what I actually listen music for - the joy and fun

Drake's new album is going to be straight fire. He's like LeBron, jack of all trades master of none. Can do everything very well and that's what makes him so great.

[ace23]

you got 500 fans worldwide huh? :lol F*ck a Rakim because he doesnt have that many

*smh* god, you are a poser...
That's just from killing features and random tracks. Wait til the mixtape drop. :pimp:

[Quizno]

I never said he was fake. I'm simply pointing out that he's a pop artist, who purposefully targets the pop artist fanbase. When he sits down to write a track, he isn't trying to be creative or make personal, unique music. He considers his target audience (young females) and sticks to a formula that works. He's in the business of making pop music, and he's very good at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYghUvw5yps

what about that song isn't personal? he's targeting young females by talking about being stressed out about being the best and his issues with his mom and uncle? straight up ignorance, just admit that you don't know any of his music

[ILLsmak]

lololol. I gotta say I never really listening to Drake or if I did it wasn't on purpose. Hearing this shit is funny.

-Smak

[The-Legend-24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYghUvw5yps

what about that song isn't personal? he's targeting young females by talking about being stressed out about being the best and his issues with his mom and uncle? straight up ignorance, just admit that you don't know any of his music
Dude has no idea what he's talking about. :oldlol:

[plowking]

You stay talking some bullshit.

Drake gets hate cus of the content of his lyrics and his image. Do you actually listen to his songs? Or you just like the way they sound? Its impossible to have this discussion with people like you because all you see is the most superficial level. You dont see the art, you dont see the true hip hop. You dont even care, you just want to argue just to argue. Like you aren't trying to have an actual discussion, you just want to come out feeling like you were right about whatever you said.

Mobb deep and tupac aren't real... oh my lord..

Content of his lyrics? Once again, you're the one limiting hip hop, putting it in a box, and telling it to conform to a certain way. I, on the other hand am more open in my listening, and don't mind his subject matter.
I don't see the art, the true hip hop? You sound like an elitist on the matter thinking your subjective opinion is an objective fact.

Drake makes good music, and he does it while being able to maintain his style and appeal to his core group of fans, whatever it may be.


And keeping it real is one of the most overplayed stereotypes, which apparently you old heads still hang on to. No wonder Dave Chappelle made a mockery of it. Some of you still didn't get the hint though.

Like I said, in the end its entertainment, and music. Next thing some of you are going to be complaining that Clint Eastwood wasn't actually a gunslinger out West or that Jonny Depp wasn't Jack Sparrow.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Content of his lyrics? Once again, you're the one limiting hip hop, putting it in a box, and telling it to conform to a certain way. I, on the other hand am more open in my listening, and don't mind his subject matter.
I don't see the art, the true hip hop? You sound like an elitist on the matter thinking your subjective opinion is an objective fact.

Drake makes good music, and he does it while being able to maintain his style and appeal to his core group of fans, whatever it may be.


And keeping it real is one of the most overplayed stereotypes, which apparently you old heads still hang on to. No wonder Dave Chappelle made a mockery of it. Some of you still didn't get the hint though.

Like I said, in the end its entertainment, and music. Next thing some of you are going to be complaining that Clint Eastwood wasn't actually a gunslinger out West or that Jonny Depp wasn't Jack Sparrow.
Why do you keep repeating some generic statement that adds nothing... Yes my opinion isn't fact but its an objective opinion.

Dont try to tell me what I listen to and shit... I listen to drake and lil wayne and all those clowns. But thats all they are is clowns, its entertainment. Just like I might catch an episode of teen mom or keeping up with the kardashians, Im just tryin to watch some shit.. but I'm always aware its not Schindlers List or The Greenmile or some other piece of classic cinema. Yes they aren't true hip hop. They are hip pop, they sing some sing songy songs that appeal to teenagers (his core group of fans) who aren't fully aware of the bullshit they're making. Calling themselves kings of Rap, saying they run hip hop and shit, they are music. That shit is offensive to people who actually appreciate real art. You think Drake really started from the bottom ? Talking about the real struggles hes had like having to ask his mom to borrow her car everyday.. Talking about catchin bodies in his songs, Saying how all his success is all him... Cmon man. Drakes a clown... an industry made clown... hes popular because the record execs made him popular because his formula appeals to the insecure teenagers of the world. He has a good flow and shit but don't insult real hip hop and the people that appreciate it with this bullshit. Wu Tangs softest turd is harder than Drake

[HardwoodLegend]

Talking about catchin bodies in his songs

Not meant to be taken literally. That line and lines like "Take you outta the picture" are referring to his ability to "end careers" because he has that much power in the game.

It's similar to 2Chainz's "skeletons in the closet/dead ass rappers" lyric.

[tmacattack33]

I don't know exactly what is going on in this thread that's gotten it up to be like 10 pages, but I like Drake...and the other guys i like are somewhat backpacky - common, lupe, blu, joe budden.

Drake is right up there with them in my eyes when he just straight up rhymes.

The song wu tang forever is about a 7.5/10. But he's done much better in the past and Too Much is much better and so is Tuscan Leather (the first track of NWTS, which was all i had time to listen to last night).

[-p.tiddy-]

I am a rap 'old head'...I can remember watching Yo MTV Raps in the 80s...I went to high school in the 90s...I was there for the golden era of rap and I listened to ALL OF IT.

I try not to compare today's rap scene with the golden days...it's apples and oranges in my eyes, I like some of the stuff out now but it is a totally different flavor of rap than the 90s....and that is were Drake fcked up, he made a track about the Wu which forces us to compare HIM to the Wu. He needs to just stick to his own generation and leave the legends of the game alone...he would be MUCH better off doing that.

He deserves to be toasted here IMO

[HardwoodLegend]

I am a rap 'old head'...I can remember watching Yo MTV Raps in the 80s...I went to high school in the 90s...I was there for the golden era of rap and I listened to ALL OF IT.

I try not to compare today's rap scene with the golden days...it's apples and oranges in my eyes, I like some of the stuff out now but it is a totally different flavor of rap than the 90s....and that is were Drake fcked up, he made a track about the Wu which forces us to compare HIM to the Wu. He needs to just stick to his own generation and leave the legends of the game alone...he would be MUCH better off doing that.

He deserves to be toasted here IMO

I would agree that he probably should have gone with a different song title, but he did nothing wrong on the song itself.

He just said, "young n*gga came through on his Wu-Tang" which means what exactly? It's not like he was overtly trying to steal their style or make any bold claims about being on their level. He used a sample and gave some respectful nods by borrowing a few lines.

It's somewhat like Ke$ha singing, "Woke up in the morning feelin like P. Diddy". Or, 2Chainz and his "2Pac without a nose ring" line which everyone got all up in arms about and took way too seriously. It's more of a casual, tongue-in-cheek reference.

[Just2McFly]

I didn't like the song but people need to chill.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I didn't like the song but people need to chill.
Chill man??? CHILL???? This shit ruined my day when I found out about it. I've been having trouble sleeping... my friends and family are telling me i've been distant and emotionally unavailable. I started getting heart burn. I have trouble maintaining an erection... This is shit is f*cked up man

[Kblaze8855]

People who think Drake is mostly listened to by teenage girls arent around many 20 something black males I dont think.

Go to any club in the southeast you can find 100 guys 20-30 who know every word to the kind of Drake songs played there.

I used to assume it was gonna be kids whoi pushed him to fame but it really isnt. I know 45 year old black mechanics from Baltimore who listen to drake. I know GDs in chicago who listen to Drake.

LL Cool J probably has(or had) a higher percentage of female fans than Drake does.

I dont think hes as popular with teenage girls as some of us want to believe.

Ive seen a lot of people ride by playing HYFR. Not a one has been a 17 year old white girl. And ive been in strip clubs from Virginia to florida and seen 30-40 year olds who knew the words to songs like Over. You say "Last name ever....first name greatest" in Magic City in Atlanta a hell of a lot of people know what you mean. When he was still making mixtapes on beats like Stuntin is a Habit the flea market near here was moving them and it isnt little girls who go through the mixtape section looking for Southern Smoke Classic cds and so on.

Drake appeals to young people in general and many older rap fans who arent the type to get on the internet and discuss it.

Drake is not One Direction.

[Jailblazers7]

He did sample Wu Tang in the song so it was probably a sign of respect more than anything.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh and if my friend puts it on Vine any time soon ill show you a clip of an old man(60+...cant say how old for sure) in a hole i nthe wall club in South Carolina calleD shaums. Dude was dancing his ass off to that new Drake with Two Chainzs on it. Cant think of the name. Its on Drakes new album but ive not heard it.

Dude dressed in all white with his khakis creased hat tilted to the east playing pool and loving the new Drake.

You can believe it or not believe it...but I suspect if you go out enough it wouldnt be that hard to buy.

Wasnt a young female to be seen. Its more of a pre club...cheap drinks....get some wings type club. Didnt even have the fight on(this was saturday). Real hole i nthe wall spot older types would go chiil because there arent a lot of youth causing trouble.

And these people knew the new Drake....and I didnt.

The idea that hes just supported by little girls just doesnt hold up to me. Not anymore. I could show you posts of me saying the same thing years ago but really...it just isnt true.

[ihoopallday]

Drake has been my favorite mainstream artist the last couple of years. I just like the fact he's consistent.

[Rasheed1]

LL Cool J was nothing like Drake

LL Cool J was hard as hell...Battle anybody I dont care who you tell..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJ0kBj4GmI

^that was LL's persona.. He was a B boy who the ladies loved.. He wasnt soft..

[-p.tiddy-]

LL Cool J was nothing like Drake

LL Cool J was hard as hell...Battle anybody I dont care who you tell..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJ0kBj4GmI

^that was LL's persona.. He was a B boy who the ladies loved.. He wasnt soft..
yep but LL in the 80s and LL later on aren't the same thing at all...in the 80s he was loved by males, I can remember me and other kids loving Going Back to Cali and I'm Bad...Momma Said Knock you Out might have been the last thing he did where any male listened to him though, and even on that track I remember it being difficult to take him seriously...and then after that it was as if he was just a male stripper or something, never seen with his shirt on, always showing off the abs for the ladies...it was like he was just female eye candy.

I think he was forced into that direction though because the other direction would have been gangsta rap and no one would have taken him seriously at all if he had tried that...it would have been like Hammer going gangsta which was just laughable.

[Rasheed1]

yep but LL in the 80s and LL later on aren't the same thing at all...in the 80s he was loved by males, I can remember me and other kids loving Going Back to Cali and I'm Bad...Momma Said Knock you Out might have been the last thing he did where any male listened to him though, and even on that track I remember it being difficult to take him seriously...and then after that it was as if he was just a male stripper or something, never seen with his shirt on, always showing off the abs for the ladies...it was like he was just female eye candy.

I think he was forced into that direction though because the other direction would have been gangsta rap and no one would have taken him seriously at all if he had tried that...it would have been like Hammer going gangsta which was just laughable.



He pulled a move like Ice Cube and Ice T pulled.. Except LL had sex appeal that those two didnt have .. He went mainstream with the TV shows and he had to become "Ladies Love Cool Gentleman"..


I agree it was a better move than the one Hammer pulled :oldlol: Hammer being a gangster was absurd.

[Kblaze8855]

Canibus didnt say "99% of your fans wear high heels" for nothing. LL went straight up R&B thug for a whole minute. Loungin? Doin it? Hey Lover? Around the way girl? Love you better? That song with Kelly Price? The Jermaine Dupri/Jlo shit? Dude spent half the 90s licking his lips and talking about how "Your man doing you wrong".

Dont get me wrong...I liked almost all those songs(My whole generation loved around the way girl). But it is what it is. He slipped in the "I shot ya" types now and then but we all knew what it was.

LL was as fake as anyone else. At least on his "Hard" songs. Always kills me when these people who got rich and famous at 16 talk about how they used to do this and that on the streets. LL has been a radio single sex symbol since what...1985? 86 perhaps? I had an LL poster on my closet door in like 89. Kangol hat and the jumpsuit. He was rich and famous living good and having security since he was high school age and hes on songs talking about mass murder and crack sells on the block. Hes shooting In The House episodes at noon and claiming he will kidnap your family and take over your hood that night. Like Wayne. Been rich since 15 and hes talking his trials and tribulations like 10-14 was a life spent on the block. Dude has been rich and famous most of his life and is talking like he was Omar walking through New Orleans putting people in line.

All these dudes are clowns. Some just make good music in their makeup so we look the other way.

Funny to me how people say Drake isnt a thug but he talks street shit now and then as if 99% of the rappers the street loves arent as fake as him. Jadakiss was on badboy eating shrimp and popping cris with Puffy at 19. But hes rapping the streets which I guess he was in between....16-18?

90% of these guys have done nothing ive not. Jadakiss was in rolling stones and kept it real...just said "I never hurt anybody...but im not saying I wont". But on record its Jadas got a gun.

And I been had one so dont forget that....357 magnum with no kickback...put em all in your sixpack for a big stack...

Jada is real Drake is a joke. For....being a youngster rapping what he knows(living the life...) and throwing a line or two he doesnt intend you to take serious.

Meanwhile we have upper middle class kids rapping lives they saw on tv and being called real.

The "soft" rappers are probably the realest ones. What is someone like Drake gonna write about but the life hes lived? Its almost as if people would rather he hop on a Primo beat and told some lies about his Tech on the dresser.

[Rasheed1]

Canibus didnt say "99% of your fans wear high heels" for nothing. LL went straight up R&B thug for a whole minute. Loungin? Doin it? Hey Lover? Around the way girl? Love you better? That song with Kelly Price? The Jermaine Dupri/Jlo shit? Dude spent half the 90s licking his lips and talking about how "Your man doing you wrong".

Dont get me wrong...I liked almost all those songs(My whole generation loved around the way girl). But it is what it is. He slipped in the "I shot ya" types now and then but we all knew what it was.

LL was as fake as anyone else. At least on his "Hard" songs. Always kills me when these people who got rich and famous at 16 talk about how they used to do this and that on the streets. LL has been a radio single sex symbol since what...1985? 86 perhaps? I had an LL poster on my closet door in like 89. Kangol hat and the jumpsuit. He was rich and famous living good and having security since he was high school age and hes on songs talking about mass murder and crack sells on the block. Hes shooting In The House episodes at noon and claiming he will kidnap your family and take over your hood that night. Like Wayne. Been rich since 15 and hes talking his trials and tribulations like 10-14 was a life spent on the block. Dude has been rich and famous most of his life and is talking like he was Omar walking through New Orleans putting people in line.

All these dudes are clowns. Some just make good music in their makeup so we look the other way.

Funny to me how people say Drake isnt a thug but he talks street shit now and then as if 99% of the rappers the street loves arent as fake as him. Jadakiss was on badboy eating shrimp and popping cris with Puffy at 19. But hes rapping the streets which I guess he was in between....16-18?

90% of these guys have done nothing ive not. Jadakiss was in rolling stones and kept it real...just said "I never hurt anybody...but im not saying I wont". But on record its Jadas got a gun.

And I been had one so dont forget that....357 magnum with no kickback...put em all in your sixpack for a big stack...

Jada is real Drake is a joke. For....being a youngster rapping what he knows(living the life...) and throwing a line or two he doesnt intend you to take serious.

Meanwhile we have upper middle class kids rapping lives they saw on tv and being called real.

The "soft" rappers are probably the realest ones. What is someone like Drake gonna write about but the life hes lived? Its almost as if people would rather he hop on a Primo beat and told some lies about his Tech on the dresser.


I dont think its actually about how many bodies you caught in real life or whether or not you do half the sh*t you rap about...

its more about your persona and whether or not it is consistent..

I mean its obvious Wu Tang cant really do Karate and half the sh*t they talk about :oldlol: but their persona is consistent and they stay in their lane with it..

LL created 2 personas in 1. He was Jack the ripper & he was also ladies love cool james.. He proved himself on both too.. He battled everyone from Kool moe D to Cannibus.. And he also made many lovey dovey songs.. But the main point is that he created his persona and he stayed consistent within it

Drake has a lane..he just needs to stay in it... Wu tang is not Drake's lane..

[-p.tiddy-]

there are a handful of rappers who were born and raised on the streets and have a dirty background and are/were in fact "real"

it is just usually the mainstream rappers that don't really fit that mold...even Pac doesn't fit that mold

[HardwoodLegend]

Drake has a lane..he just needs to stay in it... Wu tang is not Drake's lane..

He did stay in his lane. How are you missing this obvious fact? He came with the usual half-rapping/half-singing style of his. It's not like adopt Wu's style and started calling himself a Shogun saying he was going to crack clavicles and rip spines through an esophagus. He just happened to throw in a Wu sample and a few lines paying homage.

Where are all these rules and regulations coming from anyway? Music is an artform that should be experimented with from time to time. I actually think Drake should have veered more out of his lane with this one and attempted to make Wu-like track.

[HardwoodLegend]

Canibus didnt say "99% of your fans wear high heels" for nothing. LL went straight up R&B thug for a whole minute. Loungin? Doin it? Hey Lover? Around the way girl? Love you better? That song with Kelly Price? The Jermaine Dupri/Jlo shit? Dude spent half the 90s licking his lips and talking about how "Your man doing you wrong".

Dont get me wrong...I liked almost all those songs(My whole generation loved around the way girl). But it is what it is. He slipped in the "I shot ya" types now and then but we all knew what it was.

LL was as fake as anyone else. At least on his "Hard" songs. Always kills me when these people who got rich and famous at 16 talk about how they used to do this and that on the streets. LL has been a radio single sex symbol since what...1985? 86 perhaps? I had an LL poster on my closet door in like 89. Kangol hat and the jumpsuit. He was rich and famous living good and having security since he was high school age and hes on songs talking about mass murder and crack sells on the block. Hes shooting In The House episodes at noon and claiming he will kidnap your family and take over your hood that night. Like Wayne. Been rich since 15 and hes talking his trials and tribulations like 10-14 was a life spent on the block. Dude has been rich and famous most of his life and is talking like he was Omar walking through New Orleans putting people in line.

All these dudes are clowns. Some just make good music in their makeup so we look the other way.

Funny to me how people say Drake isnt a thug but he talks street shit now and then as if 99% of the rappers the street loves arent as fake as him. Jadakiss was on badboy eating shrimp and popping cris with Puffy at 19. But hes rapping the streets which I guess he was in between....16-18?

90% of these guys have done nothing ive not. Jadakiss was in rolling stones and kept it real...just said "I never hurt anybody...but im not saying I wont". But on record its Jadas got a gun.

And I been had one so dont forget that....357 magnum with no kickback...put em all in your sixpack for a big stack...

Jada is real Drake is a joke. For....being a youngster rapping what he knows(living the life...) and throwing a line or two he doesnt intend you to take serious.

Meanwhile we have upper middle class kids rapping lives they saw on tv and being called real.

The "soft" rappers are probably the realest ones. What is someone like Drake gonna write about but the life hes lived? Its almost as if people would rather he hop on a Primo beat and told some lies about his Tech on the dresser.

Great post. Damn, you stay destroyin em.

[Rasheed1]

He did stay in his lane. How are you missing this obvious fact? He came with the usual half-rapping/half-singing style of his. It's not like adopt Wu's style and started calling himself a Shogun saying he was going to crack clavicles and rip spines through an esophagus. He just happened to throw in a Wu sample and a few lines paying homage.

Where are all these rules and regulations coming from anyway? Music is an artform that should be experimented with from time to time. I actually think Drake should have veered more out of his lane with this one and attempted to make Wu-like track.


if he was in his lane? he wouldnt be talking about Wu tang.. You have alot of Wu Tang fans and they dont want their sh*t mixed with Drake..

The 2 are complete opposites and fans dont want someone trying to bring some softy stuff and calling it "Wu Tang forever" :oldlol:

He can do his sing songy raps, but just dont bring Wu Tang into it..

and the "rules and regulations" are basically common sense.. Rappers are characters as much as they are artists... People listen to certain rappers (and avoid other rappers) partially because of their personas.. I could of told Drake that making a song called wu-tang forever would be a bad idea..

Either he would have had to spit some wu-tang type lyrics (maybe even invite them to rap on the track) or do what he did which was his usual type song.

It might have gone over good if he spit some hard sh*t and had a couple Wu member on it.. but that would have been a high bar to get over.. People expect certain sh*t when you say 'Wu Tang" and Drake is the antithesis of that..

[RidonKs]

He can do his sing songy raps, but just dont bring Wu Tang into it..

but what if he, yaknow, likes wu-tang?

[Jailblazers7]

I just dont see why this matters at all unless RZA or someone calls out Drake for it.

[Rasheed1]

but what if he, yaknow, likes wu-tang?


He can like Wu tang... Just dont mix your brand with theirs.. Drake is viewed a certain way and Wu tang is viewed a different way..

People who are wu-tang fans dont want it to be Drake-tified

Drake needs to be more self aware than that

[Rasheed1]

I just dont see why this matters at all unless RZA or someone calls out Drake for it.


Ultimately it doesnt matter... People just wonder why he got ripped for making the song...

He got ripped because he is seen as soft and Wu-tang is not for softies.. alot of fans are gonna go apesh*t if when they hear about Drake trying to make a about wu-tang..

I think most of the Wu embers are too mature these days to bother to make a big deal over it.. Even if a soft rapper gives you props? Its mature to just say thanks and move on..

[-p.tiddy-]

eh, I agree with Sheed...Drake should have just STFU on this

he likes Wu? great...just about all fans of rap do...but him making a tribute to the Wu is also him assuming that he is worthy of making a tribute to the Wu...and it also is going to force fans to make comparisons...and they shouldn't be compared

Also, just from a pure business standpoint...I don't see how a rapper making a tribute to another rapper could ever take off and become a big hit...who wants to listen to Drake rap about the Wu? no one does...not the teens, not the old heads, not anyone...so in my eyes this is just a lose-lose situation for him...he should have just left it alone

[iggy>]

Remember when tupac attended a performing arts school in baltimore?



Thug life

[tmacattack33]

Remember when tupac attended a performing arts school in baltimore?



Thug life

Yes, in Baltimore.

Just because they taught certain subjects doesn't mean that somehow that school and its students were immune to all the poverty and voilence and crime in the city.

[Kblaze8855]

I dont think its actually about how many bodies you caught in real life or whether or not you do half the sh*t you rap about...

its more about your persona and whether or not it is consistent..

I mean its obvious Wu Tang cant really do Karate and half the sh*t they talk about :oldlol: but their persona is consistent and they stay in their lane with it..

LL created 2 personas in 1. He was Jack the ripper & he was also ladies love cool james.. He proved himself on both too.. He battled everyone from Kool moe D to Cannibus.. And he also made many lovey dovey songs.. But the main point is that he created his persona and he stayed consistent within it

Drake has a lane..he just needs to stay in it... Wu tang is not Drake's lane..



So its not about realness its about staying in one persona?

But LL having Hey Lover with Boyz 2 Men and Loungin with Total one the same album as I shot ya with Mobb deep, Fat Joe, and Foxy Brown is cool?

KRS one has been like 4 people. Dude had a christian rap album a while back.

Pac is a damn gumby fade having backup dancer one minute, the new Malcolm X the next, and then hes got Thug Life tatted on his chest.

Biggie goes from Machine gun Funk to Hypnotize dancing in shiny suits.

Rakim is on R&B singles, Rass Kass attempts to sell out on Rassasanation and fails, Andre 3000 goes from 2 Dope Boys in a cadillac to "I think im in looooooooooooooooooove again!" dressed like hes Scottish.

But Drake cant make one kind of party track and then a slightly different party track?


And in what way is 36 chambers the same lane as wacky weed movies, right guard commercials, and so on?

RZA from Enter the Wu strike you as the same guy as:


[QUOTE][RZA]
Aiyo, raise 'em up, hold ya cup
Up, let the Alize fill them up
Thug passion, love passion, ******, who be actin'
Grey Goose, cranberry juice
Absolut, for those who can't afford the Goose
Malibu, coconut rum, Amaretto sour, coke & rum
We gettin' drunk, Hennessey, V.S.O.P
Age in the barrel, thirty-three years
My girl's been limin' it biz, ya'll ****** sniff lines in the stairs
German beers, Heiniken, Beck's, Bud for you rednecks (yee-hah!)
Milwaukee's best, for those who only got two dollars and a bag of cess

[Hook 4X: RZA]
All we wanna do is drink, smoke and **** (****!)

[RZA]
Chronic, blubonic, chocolate Thai stick, you want it
Jamaican green, silver haze, the Northern Lights get ya ass in a daze
Purple hydro, Indonesian skunks, you can tell by the funk
All we need is Fonzo' leaf or a blunt
Ez-Wider, Bamb

[Rasheed1]

I think you are trying too hard to make a point here blaze :oldlol:

You act like everything is equal in terms of rappers and their personas.. thats not true..

Like I already said a few times.. Drake is seen one way and Wu Tang is seen another..

you can huff and puff all you want about who made what kind of love song and who isnt really a killer, but you are missing the point that Wu-tang is not known to be a soft group..

Drake is known to be a soft rapper

like I already said.. LL made soft songs.. MC Shan made soft songs.. Big Daddy Kane made songs..

They didnt move into a territory where people thought they didnt belong.. Rappers have been making the occasional love song since "I need love" and "the day youre mine"

Drake is known to be a soft rapper.. that is big difference that seem to keep ignoring.. Wu-tang isnt known to be soft despite the song they did they may be seen as love songs..

They also didnt big up soft rappers on their songs.. If Ghost makes a love song? He doesnt call it "drake forever" :oldlol:

there is a dynamic going on here that you refuse to acknowledge..

Rappers are characters and to a large degree they must remain consistent.. a weak love song here or there might be tolerated, but a known soft rapper talking about Wu - tang is gonna draw negative attention.. You need to just admit and stop trying to put all the rest of rap world on blast because Drake made a bad decision

he can use Wu samples and even quote wu here and there.. But naming his song "Wu Tang forever" is just putting a target on his back and it isnt necessary ..

he could have made the song and named it something else.. He would not have caught the same heat if he did..

[Quizno]

I think you are trying too hard to make a point here blaze :oldlol:

You act like everything is equal in terms of rappers and their personas.. thats not true..

Like I already said a few times.. Drake is seen one way and Wu Tang is seen another..

you can huff and puff all you want about who made what kind of love song and who isnt really a killer, but you are missing the point that Wu-tang is not known to be a soft group..

Drake is known to be a soft rapper

like I already said.. LL made soft songs.. MC Shan made soft songs.. Big Daddy Kane made songs..

They didnt move into a territory where people thought they didnt belong.. Rappers have been making the occasional love song since "I need love" and "the day youre mine"

Drake is known to be a soft rapper.. that is big difference that seem to keep ignoring.. Wu-tang isnt known to be soft despite the song they did they may be seen as love songs..

They also didnt big up soft rappers on their songs.. If Ghost makes a love song? He doesnt call it "drake forever" :oldlol:

there is a dynamic going on here that you refuse to acknowledge..

Rappers are characters and to a large degree they must remain consistent.. a weak love song here or there might be tolerated, but a known soft rapper talking about Wu - tang is gonna draw negative attention.. You need to just admit and stop trying to put all the rest of rap world on blast because Drake made a bad decision

he can use Wu samples and even quote wu here and there.. But naming his song "Wu Tang forever" is just putting a target on his back and it isnt necessary ..

he could have made the song and named it something else.. He would not have caught the same heat if he did..
you didn't refute any of his points. the only people mad at drake for naming the song wu tang forever are 30+ year olds who still listen to the same music they did 15-20 years ago and hate anything coming out post-2000 and wouldn't buy his album anyway. drake's still gonna go platinum and wu tang is still irrelevant in the music industry

[L.Kizzle]

17 pages about Drake ...

:biggums:

[Rasheed1]

Also you talk about Pac when he was unknown and KRS doing unknown work and act as if it means anything..

It doesnt mean anything if people dont remember or identify with it..

just think about the personas of the rappers you are talking about.. Pac was originally a black panther type mofo.. He basically pioneered the "thuglife" M.O

He is the one everyone is imitating when they talk thuglife.. Its only as real as Pac was when he did it..

KRS doing christian rap means nothing because nobody heard it.. :confusedshrug:

Rza making a certain song means nothing because he is known to be Wu beat creator..

He wouldnt come out bigging up Drake..

[Rasheed1]

you didn't refute any of his points. the only people mad at drake for naming the song wu tang forever are 30+ year olds who still listen to the same music they did 15-20 years ago and hate anything coming out post-2000 and wouldn't buy his album anyway. drake's still gonna go platinum and wu tang is still irrelevant in the music industry


Im not out neccesarily "refute" his points ..

The people mad are people who like Wu-tang and dont want Drake spoiling it with his soft raps..

its that simple..

Its not about hating anything post 2000.. its about not likeing Drake specifically and his soft style

they dont want Drake trying to rep Wu- tang..

he isnt fit to do that... they arent compatible..

[L.Kizzle]

I just typed in "Wu Tang" in google, and the second result is "Wu Tang Forever Drake."

I just typed in "Wu Tang" on youtube and the first result is not "Wu Tang Clan" but "Wu Tang Forever Drake."

That's not good.

[Kblaze8855]

Really? This is about the NAME of the song? since drake isnt a murderer and doesnt pretend to be he cant name a song wu tang forever?

That makes it pretty clear we arent trying to be reasonable here.

Just a bunch of hating over nothing.

And nobody heard spiritual Minded?

That means what to the idea that people stay in one lane? Because it didnt sell or get attention it didnt happen?

Ever wonder why it didnt get attention?

because it wasnt good.

A LOT of "real" rappers are making...bad music. music even you wouldnt want to hear over quite a bit of drake.

I listen to it all. Im not propping up wu tang over lying thug images and acting hard until you need to shoot a movie or sell soda. I respect the music.

At least a lot of it. But im not talking out of my ass about it being too great to....reference. I had it all. Most of it on tape and then cds. I had Killah Priest albums with one or two good songs(Your arms too short to box with god).

I listened to those bullshit albums and RZA trying to make club hits that were garbage.

Fact is...on the bottom line...a lot of legends make shiity music. worse than Drake. But since people dont hear it or hear it and act like it didnt happen they idealize them and put them up on some pedestal.

I choose not to. I judge it as fairly as I can. I dont act like Drake is a fake sellout for singing about his real life with a few joking lines then turn a blind eye to Mr Murder was the Case singing in autotune and then deciding hes Jamaican at age 40.

You talking consistency....and so am I.

I want to see it across the board. Not just brought out to hate on the guy in the spotlight at the moment while the people hes mocked in comparison to are no better and most are lying idiots.

Im not gonna buy a Drake album. But ill be damned if I buy another Bobby Digital album either.

[plowking]

The Drake haters have gotten absolutely murdered in this thread by some good points, and failing to come up with any of their own. All of you are looking really silly at how upset this has got you furthermore.

Rasheed, your last points are particularly way off base and just straight up hilarious at how wrong they are. So a hard rapper can make the occasional love song, but Drake who is a soft rapper can't make a song about Wu Tang? Furthermore, a rapper who's pretended to be hard his whole career despite not actually being it, can make hardcore, gangsta stuff?
That logic... lol.

Rappers were out doing tributes for MJ. Going by your logic, that's not allowed. lol...

[Rasheed1]

Really? This is about the NAME of the song? since drake isnt a murderer and doesnt pretend to be he cant name a song wu tang forever?

That makes it pretty clear we arent trying to be reasonable here.

Just a bunch of hating over nothing.

And nobody heard spiritual Minded?

That means what to the idea that people stay in one lane? Because it didnt sell or get attention it didnt happen?

Ever wonder why it didnt get attention?

because it wasnt good.

A LOT of "real" rappers are making...bad music. music even you wouldnt want to hear over quite a bit of drake.

I listen to it all. Im not propping up wu tang over lying thug images and acting hard until you need to shoot a movie or sell soda. I respect the music.

At least a lot of it. But im not talking out of my ass about it being too great to....reference. I had it all. Most of it on tape and then cds. I had Killah Priest albums with one or two good songs(Your arms too short to box with god).

I listened to those bullshit albums and RZA trying to make club hits that were garbage.

Fact is...on the bottom line...a lot of legends make shiity music. worse than Drake. But since people dont hear it or hear it and act like it didnt happen they idealize them and put them up on some pedestal.

I choose not to. I judge it as fairly as I can. I dont act like Drake is a fake sellout for singing about his real life with a few joking lines then turn a blind eye to Mr Murder was the Case singing in autotune and then deciding hes Jamaican at age 40.

You talking consistency....and so am I.

I want to see it across the board. Not just brought out to hate on the guy in the spotlight at the moment while the people hes mocked in comparison to are no better and most are lying idiots.

Im not gonna buy a Drake album. But ill be damned if I buy another Bobby Digital album either.


Ill say it one more time for you blaze...

it is very simple... Wu tang fans do not want Wu tang style getting mixed with Drake's style.

Like I already said ... if he named the song something else? no one would have noticed.. It would have been a sample or two on his songs under a different name... no big deal.. no controversy

but chose to call the song "wu Tang forever" drawing attention to the song... BAD IDEA..

you seem to be on an unnecessary tirade defending drake when it isnt that deep :oldlol:

Nobody said all rappers are real except drake...

The main point here is that Drake got ripped because he tried to rep Wu when he is the antithesis of what they stand for.. You can be mad and you write paragraphs detailing how many rappers arent hard in real life :confusedshrug:


its doesnt change the fact that fans dont want Drake trying to rep WU..

it is really that simple.. you say what you will.. but the fact remains the same..

I dont really know how else to relate this point to you..

It doesnt matter what you say (or all the other people who seem soo mad over it)

WU fans arent gonna take nicely to Drake making a song and calling it "wu tang forever" especially if he doesnt come out and show some wu like rap skill in his song..

take it how you take take it.. it is what it is..

:confusedshrug:

[Swaggin916]

The Drake haters have gotten absolutely murdered in this thread by some good points, and failing to come up with any of their own. All of you are looking really silly at how upset this has got you furthermore.

Rasheed, your last points are particularly way off base and just straight up hilarious at how wrong they are. So a hard rapper can make the occasional love song, but Drake who is a soft rapper can't make a song about Wu Tang? Furthermore, a rapper who's pretended to be hard his whole career despite not actually being it, can make hardcore, gangsta stuff?
That logic... lol.

Rappers were out doing tributes for MJ. Going by your logic, that's not allowed. lol...

i don't understand why somebody needs logic to explain why they like a rapper anyway... it's fckin rap not a debate on engineering.

[The Iron Fist]

Anything Wu ever says positively in public about Drake is straight politics. Not only did Ghostface (the real one) endorse that Drake review, but I was at a Wu Tang show about a year ago and the crowd started yelling "F*ck Drake" an Meth was egging them on.

Wu doesn't respect that cornball, wack rapper, just like I honestly don't get how anyone who is a true hiphip head could. And by the way, it isn't even about him not being "gangsta" or whatever. I actually feel there SHOULD be more balance in hiphop, like in the old days. But Drake just sucks. And I'll bet Wu respects the hell out of Kid n Play, so it ain't about that for them either. DRAKE JUST SUCKS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPreKgxHYXA

This is where drake gets his whole style from.