More Spanoulis Ranting (Only YOURSELF to blame)

[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis took a huge dump on NBA starters Ricky Rubio and Jose Calderon, leading Greece to a victory over Spain.

Spanoulis had 20 points, 4 rebounds, and 3 assists and led Greece (the team full of 12 "Euroleague scrubs") to a 79-75 win over Spain and it's "7 legit NBA rotation players".

NBA starter Ricky Rubio, who was playing Spanoulis straight up, head to head in the first half (they doubled Spanoulis after that) had 6 points, 3 rebounds, and 3 assists with his usual bad shooting of 2/7.

While NBA starter Jose Calderon had 5 points, 1 rebound, and 2 assists.

Spain's other point guards (former NBA rotation player) Sergio Rodriguez had
3 points, 0 rebounds, and 0 assists, and NBA draft pick Sergio Llull, that "NBA genius" Daryl Morey claims is a, "legit NBA level starter", had 2 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist.

So Spain's entire 4 man "legit NBA rotation back court" had in total, 16 points, while Spanoulis, the "super mega Euro scrub", BY HIMSELF, had 20 points.


Game Box Score:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm/p/eid/6241/gid/1/grid/F/rid/8731/sid/8722/game.html

http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7BFF388423-B9A5-4688-9604-DA42334D6C0B%7Dflexible.jpg


http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7B86B8DC32-0FD4-4B20-8B3C-F98ACC23AED7%7Dflexible.jpg

http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7B1CB8BF9F-DE32-4291-893E-197E543EA6D0%7Dflexible.jpg


This thread is a response to this mega troll thread here (from the colossal troll Andrew Wiggins):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312450

[Nash]

Rubio: Positive performances in the NBA

Spanoulis: Scrub in the NBA

[Le Shaqtus]

Those are some unimpressive numbers.

Whatever you're doing to try to prop Spanoulis, it's not working. 3 assists for a point guard is pretty shit.

[Nash]

I wish I could see Lebron dunk on V-Span, Jason Terry style.

[Inferno]

Jose Calderon NBA stats per 36: 13.2 points / 7.5 assists on 53/52/89 shooting.

Vassilis Spanoulis NBA stats per 36: 11.3 points / 3.7 assists / 4 turnovers on 32/17/81 shooting.

:roll:

[dr.hee]

Damn Euroleague, what is wrong with you? Let's face it, you don't matter outside of this anonymous message board. You can tweet Eurohoops, they don't give a f*ck. You can cry to Nikos Zisis, he doesn't give a f*ck either. You can tweet ESPN dudes to ask Van Gundy why he didn't play Spanoulis. Both the reporter and Van Gundy don't give a f*ck.
Even your boyfriend Spanoulis doesn't give a flying f*ck about what some idiots on this board do. Some write stupid shit about how he's the worst player ever, you on the other hand are constantly sucking his d*ck. Doesn't matter to him, he's filthy rich, has a great job and couldn't care less about some inbred redneck from Arkansas. No matter how loud you're shouting on this board, it doesn't make you relevant to anyone outside of your trailer park. Even if the whole world was hating your boy toy V-Span, what difference does it make? He doesn't care, why do you? Why do you feel insulted when people you don't even know poke fun at a basketball player you've never met?

In short words: Why you mad?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Who you always 5-star your own threads?

[duskovujosevic]

http://i.imgflip.com/3mvz7.jpg

[Eric Cartman]

There's no denying that Spain's PG played like utter garbage.

[CanYouDigIt]

Euroleague stay mad :oldlol:

I bet V-Span blocked you on Twitter.

[Euroleague]

Those are some unimpressive numbers.

Whatever you're doing to try to prop Spanoulis, it's not working. 3 assists for a point guard is pretty shit.


Ricky Rubio = 7.3 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio

Ricky Rubio = 3.3 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_53827.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Jose Calderon = 7.1 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon

Jose Calderon = 3.1 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_27027.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Goran Dragic = 7.4 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic

Goran Dragic = 5.0 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket


Tony Parker = 7.6 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker

Tony Parker = 3.7 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_28162.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_282.html


I don't know what the hell you think you know about basketball, but obviously you don't know shit about it.

Your basketball knowledge is truly pathetic.

[gabepizza]

While Spain is advancing to the quarter-finals (unless they lose to Italy tomorrow) and again Spanoulis chokes. First getting eliminated by Nigeria than losing to Finland and then getting outplayed by Dragic and Slovenia.

Any question about Spanoulis being an even decent player has been shattered as the world has again witnessed Spanoulis leading heavy favored Greece to an early embarrassing exit.

I am sure all of Greece, except you, is begging for Spanoulis to leave the NT and stick to the JV level Euroleague because as everybody has seen, time and time again, when he plays in competitions with NBA level players he just can't handle it and loses again and again.

It finally shows that Euroleague MVP means nothing when you can't hold your own against NBA role players like Dragic.

[Andrew Wiggins]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg
:lol

[Euroleague]

Rubio: Positive performances in the NBA

Spanoulis: Scrub in the NBA


Spanoulis: Best player in Euroleague

Rubio: Scrub in Euroleague

[gabepizza]

Ricky Rubio = 7.3 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio

Ricky Rubio = 3.3 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_53827.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Jose Calderon = 7.1 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon

Jose Calderon = 3.1 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_27027.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Goran Dragic = 7.4 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic

Goran Dragic = 5.0 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket


Tony Parker = 7.6 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker

Tony Parker = 3.7 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_28162.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_282.html


I don't know what the hell you think you know about basketball, but obviously you don't know shit about it.

Your basketball knowledge is truly pathetic.

And all those players have more assists than Spanoulis and are going to the next round, unlike Spanoulis.

[gabepizza]

Spanoulis: Best player in Euroleague

Rubio: Scrub in Euroleague

Lie.

Rubio starting PG for Euroleague champions.

Awarded the rising star trophy, basically ROY in Euroleague.

[Jameerthefear]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1x9vqZMwS1rsjozko1_500.gif

[Euroleague]

While Spain is advancing to the quarter-finals (unless they lose to Italy tomorrow) and again Spanoulis chokes. First getting eliminated by Nigeria than losing to Finland and then getting outplayed by Dragic and Slovenia.

Any question about Spanoulis being an even decent player has been shattered as the world has again witnessed Spanoulis leading heavy favored Greece to an early embarrassing exit.

I am sure all of Greece, except you, is begging for Spanoulis to leave the NT and stick to the JV level Euroleague because as everybody has seen, time and time again, when he plays in competitions with NBA level players he just can't handle it and loses again and again.

It finally shows that Euroleague MVP means nothing when you can't hold your own against NBA role players like Dragic.


Spanoulis loses to Nigeria.

Spanoulis loses to Finland.

Team USA loses to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

Spain and its "legit NBA rotation players" lose to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

USA and Spain are both now forever the biggest jokes of all history of worldwide basketball.

They both lose to the super mega Euro scrub, his 11 super mega Euro scrub teammates, and both of them were not able to do what Nigeria and Finland could do...........

Neither Team USA, nor Spain could beat the "worst player in the world and 11 Euro scrubs", something that Nigeria and Finland could do.

Nigeria and Finland > USA and Spain

It finally shows that "legit NBA players" can't hold their own against Euroleague scrubs.

[Euroleague]

Lie.

Rubio starting PG for Euroleague champions.

Awarded the rising star trophy, basically ROY in Euroleague.

LIE.

Rubio didn't finish games in Barca, Jaka Lakovic, the backup to Dragic on Slovenia did.

The Rising Star Trophy has nothing in common to a rookie of the year award.

That is flat out LIE.

You are a pathological liar that tells lies.

[Euroleague]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1x9vqZMwS1rsjozko1_500.gif

Says the guy posting anime shit (the gayest shit ever invented in the universe).

[Le Shaqtus]

Ricky Rubio = 7.3 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4011/ricky-rubio

Ricky Rubio = 3.3 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_53827.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Jose Calderon = 7.1 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon

Jose Calderon = 3.1 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_27027.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_362.html


Goran Dragic = 7.4 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3423/goran-dragic

Goran Dragic = 5.0 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket


Tony Parker = 7.6 assists per game in the NBA

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker

Tony Parker = 3.7 assists per game in the FIBA EuroBasket

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.playerID_28162.compID_q MRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2013.roundID_8722.tea mID_282.html


I don't know what the hell you think you know about basketball, but obviously you don't know shit about it.

Your basketball knowledge is truly pathetic.

You should calm down bro.

Nowhere did I say that Rubio or Calderon played well, they played like shit too.

I know more than you that's for sure, stat nerd.

[dr.hee]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg
:lol

:lebronamazed: :roll:

[Le Shaqtus]

Spanoulis: Best player in Euroleague

That's not saying much really.

[Eric Cartman]

You are a pathological liar that tells lie.

Redundant

[andz]

nop. rubio was 3rd choise PG at the end when he played for Barca. Rubio is lol bad and he can't do shit in europe because everybody already figured him out. It will happen the same in NBA....

[Euroleague]

You should calm down bro.

Nowhere did I say that Rubio or Calderon played well, they played like shit too.

I know more than you that's for sure, stat nerd.

That would be you. The guy that made a false made up stats claim for a troll argument.

[Inferno]

That would be you. The guy that made a false made up stats claim for a troll argument.

Why was V-Span so bad in the NBA?

[andz]

That's not saying much really.

it says alot esp since he won it 3 times. only one who also did that was Toni Kukoč.

[Euroleague]

That's not saying much really.

You are right.

Spanoulis, "the mega Euro scrub" beat Team USA and Spain and its "legit NBA rotation players"...........

What says a lot is that USA and Spain (the NBA teams) can't beat a "super mega Euro scrub" that "isn't good enough to play in the NBA."

That proves that the NBA is the single biggest joke pro sports league on the entire planet.

[gabepizza]

Spanoulis loses to Nigeria.

Spanoulis loses to Finland.

Team USA loses to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

Spain and its "legit NBA rotation players" lose to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

USA and Spain are both now forever the biggest jokes of all history of worldwide basketball.

They both lose to the super mega Euro scrub, his 11 super mega Euro scrub teammates, and both of them were not able to do what Nigeria and Finland could do...........

Neither Team USA, nor Spain could beat the "worst player in the world and 11 Euro scrubs", something that Nigeria and Finland could do.

Nigeria and Finland > USA and Spain

It finally shows that "legit NBA players" can't hold their own against Euroleague scrubs.

USA- Olympics gold in 2008 & 2012 WC Gold in 2010
Spain- Eurobasket gold in 2009 & 2011 Olympic Silver in 2008 & 2012 WC gold in 2006

The stars win games that matter.

[aj1987]

Spanoulis: Best player in Euroleague
Euroleague = Scrub league

Scrubs in NBA = MVP's and gods in Euroleague

[Jameerthefear]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/592/360/ea9.gif

[Le Shaqtus]

That would be you. The guy that made a false made up stats claim for a troll argument.

You are so salty over nothing.

I used the stats you used in the OP you lunatic :lol

[Euroleague]

USA- Olympics gold in 2008 & 2012 WC Gold in 2010
Spain- Eurobasket gold in 2009 & 2011 Olympic Silver in 2008 & 2012 WC gold in 2006

The stars win games that matter.

You are right.

Greece 101 - USA 95

Vassilis Spanoulis - 22 points

Chris Paul - 3 points


Box Score:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/06_wcm/scheResu/p/eventid/3507/gamename/A/groupname/75/langlc/en/roundid/5152/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html

[Euroleague]

Euroleague = Scrub league

Scrubs in NBA = MVP's and gods in Euroleague

The scrub league has now, with 12 "scrub league players", beaten USA and Spain (the NBA teams).

It's been said thousands of times in this forum, by dozens of forum members, that "once is a fluke, but twice is a fact."

Well, it has happened twice now.

NBA has now lost twice, to a team of 12 "scrub league" players.

Quite revealing as to the true level of the overrated POS NBA, and its overrated POS doped up players.

[Euroleague]

You are so salty over nothing.

I used the stats you used in the OP you lunatic :lol

You talked lying troll trash shit and got owned.

[Jameerthefear]

euroleague is for scrubs. v-span's stats in the nba tell it all.

[aj1987]

The scrub league has no with 12 "scrub league players" beaten USA and Spain (the NBA teams).

It's been said thousands of times in this forum, by dozens of forum members, that "once is a fluke, but twice is a fact."

Well, it has happened twice now.

NBA has now lost twice to a team of 12 "scrub league" players.

Quite revealing as to the true level of the overrated POS NBA and its overrated POS doped up players.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Rankings

Vagisil would be a pretty good towel boy in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/592/360/ea9.gif

First trying to deflect your own sexuality by accusing others of being gay, then posting gay anime shit, and now posting this.............

:roll: :oldlol: :lol

[Le Shaqtus]

You talked lying troll trash talking shit and got owned.

Using Facts = Lying.

You're a Psychotic racist.

[Euroleague]

euroleague is for scrubs. v-span's stats in the nba tell it all.

Team USA and Team Spain are for NBA players that can't beat 12 Euroleague scrubs.

Greece 101 - USA 95

and

Greece 79 - Spain 75

tell it all.

[CanYouDigIt]

Euroleague having his afternoon meltdown

Nothing new :roll: :roll:

[Le Shaqtus]

Euroleague having his afternoon meltdown

Nothing new :roll: :roll:

Just don't bring up Nigeria or Finland, he might just kill himself. He's already on the edge.

[dr.hee]

Euroleague having his afternoon meltdown

Nothing new :roll: :roll:

What timezone is Arkansas?

[Eric Cartman]

Team USA and Team Spain are for NBA players that can't beat 12 Euroleague scrubs.

Greece 101 - USA 95

and

Greece 79 - Spain 75

tell it all.

http://london2012.fiba.com/images/web/Events/12/OQTM/daybyday/0706/gre-ngr/ngr/_483x332/Small_MM2_8705.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/USAvsNigeriaBoxscore_zps1550b85f.png

[Euroleague]

Using Facts = Lying.

You're a Psychotic racist.

Yes.

FACT

Greece 101 - USA 95

FACT

Greece 79 - Spain 75

Now which is it.............NBA players can't beat 12 "scrub league scrubs", or the NBA is also a "scrub league"?

See, when you start talking about "facts", you actually have to have facts. Otherwise, you just get exposed for the lying scheming troll that you really are.

FACT =

NBA teams are getting beat by teams made up of 12 "scrub league" players.

FACT =

NBA is now also officially a "scrub league". Freaking NBA teams could not even beat a team of 12 "Greek scrubs" twice now.

FACT

P.S.

you are psychotic.

[dr.hee]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[andz]

Euroleague = Scrub league

Scrubs in NBA = MVP's and gods in Euroleague


lol

Bodiroga, Papaloukas, Diamantidis etc..... were legit top50 players in the world when they were in their prime. Even Bo McCalebb or Teodošič were legit top100 players few years ago .....


Top Euro clubs would have a decent chance to get in playoffs(at least on EAST). I am not saying that they would ever win rings, but there are some awfull teams in NBA who would get destroyed by top euro clubs. NBA has something like 8 teams who are really good and others who are just an average teams....... difference between top nba team and the rest of the league is huuuuge, difference between non top 8 nba teams and EL top 4-6 is minimal at best.

I can understand this arogance tho. Only NBA fans(esp americans) don't have alot of chances to watch EL and they just look at the roster and think lol scruuuubs.. but that's just simply isn't true.
Prime example was a game played between Real Madrid vs Olympiacos in EL finals and Memphis vs Oklahoma playoffs on the same day. First game was on such a higher level than the playoff game.

[Le Shaqtus]

Yes.

FACT

Greece 101 - USA 95

FACT

Greece 79 - Spain 75

Now which is it.............NBA players can't beat 12 "scrub league scrubs", or the NBA is also a "scrub league"?

See, when you start talking about "facts", you actually have to have facts. Otherwise, you just get exposed for the lying scheming troll that you really are.

FACT =

NBA teams are getting beat by teams made up of 12 "scrub league" players.

FACT =

NBA is now also officially a "scrub league". Freaking NBA teams could not even beat a team of 12 "Greek scrubs" twice now.

FACT

P.S.

you are psychotic.

Fact:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/NigeriavsGreeceboxscore_zps04e8f087.png

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/USAvsNigeriaBoxscore_zps1550b85f.png

Stay :mad: Hick

[Andrew Wiggins]

[QUOTE=andz]lol

Bodiroga, Papaloukas, Diamantidis etc..... were legit top50 players in the world when they were in their prime. Even Bo McCalebb or Teodo

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis "the mega Euro scrub" and Greece, "12 mega Euro scrubs"..........

101

Team USA, and it's 12 doped up "stars" (LeBron, Wade, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Bosh, etc.)....

95

http://chrislaz.net/images/HellasUsa.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-09/01/xin_32090301192050802962.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6605/greeklhoopsfm6.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2867/greeksofoklisschortsianitisdunksgx0.jpg

http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/55/3925257/106330-330-0.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3319/623/1600/greece.jpg

http://www.cortlandstandard.net/images/photo/09012006_002.jpg

http://www.greece.org/hellas/images/fiba/Nikh.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Basketball_WC_2006_Final_3.jpg

[dr.hee]

Spanoulis "the mega Euro scrub" and Greece "12 mega Euro scrubs:

101

Team USA and it's 12 doped up "stars" (LeBron, Wade, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Bosh, etc.)

95

http://chrislaz.net/images/HellasUsa.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-09/01/xin_32090301192050802962.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6605/greeklhoopsfm6.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2867/greeksofoklisschortsianitisdunksgx0.jpg

http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/55/3925257/106330-330-0.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3319/623/1600/greece.jpg

http://www.cortlandstandard.net/images/photo/09012006_002.jpg

http://www.greece.org/hellas/images/fiba/Nikh.jpg

So...you get your self worth from a basketball game that happened 7 years ago? Wow, you win at life :applause:

:lol

[b1imtf]

Takes a dump = 20/4/3? Lol he's shit

[andz]

I am not being ridiculous.

Help me with this. Ok all of does players would be role players in Nba, but then again Rubio is a starter for Minesota yet he was a 3rd choise PG in Barca..

[Le Shaqtus]

So...you get your self worth from a basketball game that happened 7 years ago? Wow, you win at life :applause:

:lol

Let him cling :lol what a sad little man.

USA sitting pretty as the best Basketball country in the world, Olympic champions baby :rockon:

[Haymaker]

Those are some unimpressive numbers.

Whatever you're doing to try to prop Spanoulis, it's not working. 3 assists for a point guard is pretty shit.

And 20 pts is not "taking a dump" on anybody.

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=andz]lol

Bodiroga, Papaloukas, Diamantidis etc..... were legit top50 players in the world when they were in their prime. Even Bo McCalebb or Teodo

[dr.hee]

I am not being ridiculous.

Help me with this. Ok all of does players would be role players in Nba, but then again Rubio is a starter for Minesota yet he was a 3rd choise PG in Barca..

I agree that Euro players are generally underrated on this forum. But your logic isn't the best one to prove a point, what did Spanoulis do in the NBA again?

[Euroleague]

Fact:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/NigeriavsGreeceboxscore_zps04e8f087.png

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/USAvsNigeriaBoxscore_zps1550b85f.png

Stay :mad: Hick

http://s9.postimg.org/p1ljyaf73/Untitled5.jpg

http://s11.postimg.org/ana4lc8ur/Untitled2.jpg


Stay :mad: troll

[andz]

Difference between NBA and EL is getting smaller and smaller every year.

[aj1987]

Spanoulis "the mega Euro scrub" and Greece "12 mega Euro scrubs:

101

Team USA and it's 12 doped up "stars" (LeBron, Wade, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Bosh, etc.)

95
[/IMG]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

Euroshit

[Le Shaqtus]

And 20 pts is not "taking a dump" on anybody.

I think it goes without saying :oldlol:

[MP.Trey]

2006 :roll:

[andz]

I agree that Euro players are generally underrated on this forum. But your logic isn't the best one to prove a point, what did Spanoulis do in the NBA again?


He did nothing. But the thing is it wasn't because of basketball reasons. Vasillis wanted to get out of America ASAP and he hated living there. He was out of NBA even before he played his first game.

Shame tho, because he could have had a decent career over there

[Andrew Wiggins]

I am not being ridiculous.

Help me with this. Ok all of does players would be role players in Nba, but then again Rubio is a starter for Minesota yet he was a 3rd choise PG in Barca..

if he was 3rd choice, why was he playing 21-22 minutes of the game? 3rd choice point guards don't play more than half the game

if we use your logic, why was an undrafted guy like kyle hines the second leading scorer for the back to back euroleague champs?

[dr.hee]

Difference between NBA and EL is getting smaller and smaller every year.

That's true. But there's a difference between appreciating Euro ball (like you), and bipolar disorder combined with obsessive compulsive craving for the d*ck of Vassilis Spanoulis (like the inbreed from Arkansas)...

[dr.hee]

He did nothing. But the thing is it wasn't because of basketball reasons. Vasillis wanted to get out of America ASAP and he hated living there. He was out of NBA even before he played his first game.

Shame tho, because he could have had a decent career over there

Well, he played 31 games. And even if he hated it, is it too much asked from a top 3 player in the world to at least shoot better than 32% from the field and 17% from 3? I mean he should've dominated based on his athleticism alone, right?

[Inferno]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

Euroshit

:applause:

[andz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

The Raptors routinely took a dump on Euroleague teams. NBA teams have an 82% win record against the Euroleague teams. Some of those games didn't even have stars playing for their team, and the ones that did played fewer minutes.

The best Euroleague team would be the new Bobcats in the NBA.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

What's your point.


Barca beat Lakers in a game EL champion vs NBA champion and than Dallas last year. Or Fener won against Boston last year and it was Fener's 5th game in 6 days.......

Raptors were also playing most of their games in canada under NBA rules....

Or Dallas almost lost against f'ing ALBA BERLIN LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Difference was huge in the 90's, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller

Keep being arogant tho and pound your chest while thinking how awesome your league and players are, but don't be surprised when EURO teams start to regulary beat NBA teams. Only thing that is saving you right now and why Euro players are going over seas is that paycheck that players get in NBA......

[andz]

Well, he played 31 games. And even if he hated it, is it too much asked from a top 3 player in the world to at least shoot better than 32% from the field and 17% from 3? I mean he should've dominated based on his athleticism alone, right?

I ment as he was mentaly out of the league even before the first game, because he really hated the place......

[chips93]

Why was V-Span so bad in the NBA?

i am going to attempt to have a rational conversation about vassilis spanoulis *deep breath*

i think it takes a while to get used to the nba game, no matter how experienced you are. some players are just more suited to it, and will adapt quicker (like rubio), and i think that works both ways. some talented nba players have looked pretty mediocre while playing in europe.

i definitely think that the nba is an overwhelmingly more talented league, but there is a difference in styles, between the two leagues, that you need to take into account.



as for v-span in particular, he only played one year here, and didnt get much of a chance to prove himself. he put up 11 points and 3 assists per 36 minutes, clearly below average for an nba pg. he was 24 during that season.

now lets look at some other euros that came over to the nba, and how they did in their first season. (all stats are per 36 minutes) marc gasol got 14 & 8 as a 24 year old,, delfino posted 9-4-3 as a 22 year old, jerebko hot 12 & 9 as a 22 year old, omer asik had 8 points and 11 boards as a 24 year old. pek got 14 & 8 as a 25 year old, dragic got 12,5,5 as a 22 year old

obviously all of those guys other than v-span stuck around in the nba, and went on to have very good nba careers. but if any of them had bailed after that first year, went back to europe, we would look at them as failures, as we do with v-span.

im not neccessarily saying that if v-span had stuck around, he would be the same calibre player as those mentioned above, but i think he would have continued to adjust, and at the very least been a decent nba player.



in conclusion, i think v-span is a pretty talented player. his skills just dont fit well in the nba, and he didnt stick around long enough to adjust to the nba.

just like how a pretty talented player, in ty lawson went to europe, didnt adapt well, and looked very mediocre.

[Euroleague]

dont be ridiculous

i live in spain and watched both games. the quality difference is big. spanoulis, printezis, rudy would be role players in nba, that's it.

Says the guy that claims to be an agent, a pro player, a guy that works in the front office of a pro club, that claims to have every agent, coach, team manager, team owner on his cell's speed dial, etc.

Don't push it.

[Andrew Wiggins]

i am going to attempt to have a rational conversation about vassilis spanoulis *deep breath*

i think it takes a while to get used to the nba game, no matter how experienced you are. some players are just more suited to it, and will adapt quicker (like rubio), and i think that works both ways. some talented nba players have looked pretty mediocre while playing in europe.

i definitely think that the nba is an overwhelmingly more talented league, but there is a difference in styles, between the two leagues, that you need to take into account.



as for v-span in particular, he only played one year here, and didnt get much of a chance to prove himself. he put up 11 points and 3 assists per 36 minutes, clearly below average for an nba pg. he was 24 during that season.

now lets look at some other euros that came over to the nba, and how they did in their first season. (all stats are per 36 minutes) marc gasol got 14 & 8 as a 24 year old,, delfino posted 9-4-3 as a 22 year old, jerebko hot 12 & 9 as a 22 year old, omer asik had 8 points and 11 boards as a 24 year old. pek got 14 & 8 as a 25 year old, dragic got 12,5,5 as a 22 year old

obviously all of those guys other than v-span stuck around in the nba, and went on to have very good nba careers. but if any of them had bailed after that first year, went back to europe, we would look at them as failures, as we do with v-span.

im not neccessarily saying that if v-span had stuck around, he would be the same calibre player as those mentioned above, but i think he would have continued to adjust, and at the very least been a decent nba player.



in conclusion, i think v-span is a pretty talented player. his skills just dont fit well in the nba, and he didnt stick around long enough to adjust to the nba.

just like how a pretty talented player, in ty lawson went to europe, didnt adapt well, and looked very mediocre.


bad example

lawson looked bad but he was there a few months and looked out of shape

[Andrew Wiggins]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

:lol

[Euroleague]

I am not being ridiculous.

Help me with this. Ok all of does players would be role players in Nba, but then again Rubio is a starter for Minesota yet he was a 3rd choise PG in Barca..

andrew wiggins claims to be a professional basketball player, he claims to be a guy that works in the front office of a professional basketball team, he also claims to personally be friends with literally every manager, agent, owner of any team in Europe.

He is the single biggest troll alive.

[Euroleague]

So...you get your self worth from a basketball game that happened 7 years ago? Wow, you win at life :applause:

:lol

Says the guy that made about 50 posts here bragging about Germany getting bronze in 2002 and silver in 2005.

:facepalm :rolleyes: :biggums:

[Johnny Jones]

What timezone is Arkansas?
Same as Dallas...

[andz]

That's true. But there's a difference between appreciating Euro ball (like you), and bipolar disorder combined with obsessive compulsive craving for the d*ck of Vassilis Spanoulis (like the inbreed from Arkansas)...

I agree :D

[Euroleague]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

The Raptors routinely took a dump on Euroleague teams. NBA teams have an 82% win record against the Euroleague teams. Some of those games didn't even have stars playing for their team, and the ones that did played fewer minutes.

The best Euroleague team would be the new Bobcats in the NBA.


11-7 using mixed rules and refs................

PATHETIC

If the Euroleague is really a "scrub league", then the NBA is clearly, by far and away, by leaps and bounds, the WORST top tier sports league on the planet.

[aj1987]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

What's your point.


Barca beat Lakers in a game EL champion vs NBA champion and than Dallas last year. Or Fener won against Boston last year and it was Fener's 5th game in 6 days.......

Raptors were also playing most of their games in canada under NBA rules....

Or Dallas almost lost against f'ing ALBA BERLIN LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Difference was huge in the 90's, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller

Keep being arogant tho and pound your chest while thinking how awesome your league and players are, but don't be surprised when EURO teams start to regulary beat NBA teams. Only thing that is saving you right now and why Euro players are going over seas is that paycheck that players get in NBA......
All that talk and Euroshit is still full of scrubs and they lost 82% of the time against the NBA teams.

You know your league sucks when the Raptors kick your ass.

EDIT: Isn't NBA scrub Anthony Parker a Euroleague legend?

[chips93]

bad example

lawson looked bad but he was there a few months and looked out of shape

my post wasnt exactly hinged on the lawson bit . . .

:rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Rankings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

Euroshit

Yet "Euroshit" routinely beats NBA.

NBA should change its name officially to "National Bullshit Association"

since they can't even beat the "Euroshit" teams anymore.

Hell, the Boston Celtics could not even beat one of the worst teams in Euroleague (Fenerbahce) last year.

http://s10.postimg.org/hyf6x28rd/Untitled6.jpg


The Celtics lost to one of the worst teams in Euroleague just last season.

"Euroshit" beating NBA shit.

[chips93]

All that talk and Euroshit is still full of scrubs and they lost 82% of the time against the NBA teams.

You know your league sucks when the Raptors kick your ass.

EDIT: Isn't NBA scrub Anthony Parker a Euroleague legend.

how is anthony parker a scrub?

he had a very solid nba career

[aj1987]

11-7 using mixed rules and refs................

PATHETIC

If the Euroleague is really a "scrub league", then the NBA is clearly bar far and away, by leaps and bounds, the WORST top tier sports league on the planet.
Still a losing record. :roll:
NBA >>>>>>>>>>> NBA D-Leage >>> Euroleague

[Euroleague]

if he was 3rd choice, why was he playing 21-22 minutes of the game? 3rd choice point guards don't play more than half the game

if we use your logic, why was an undrafted guy like kyle hines the second leading scorer for the back to back euroleague champs?

He finished the season as Barca's 3rd string PG behind Victor Sada and Jaka Lakovic.

Here in this forum you claim to "work for a professional team in the Spanish League" and to "live in Spain", and yet you don't even know this basic fact.

:facepalm :roll: :lol :oldlol:

[dr.hee]

Says the guy that made about 50 posts here bragging about Germany getting bronze in 2002 and silver in 2005.

:facepalm :rolleyes: :biggums:

50 posts? :roll: And I didn't brag about it. I've mentioned it and said these teams sucked balls. Then you came along and told me there were good players on these teams. I listed the scrub team from 2002, and you put me on your imaginary ignore list. Try again :lol

[andz]

All that talk and Euroshit is still full of scrubs and they lost 82% of the time against the NBA teams.

You know your league sucks when the Raptors kick your ass.

EDIT: Isn't NBA scrub Anthony Parker a Euroleague legend?

Dude is 38 years old wtf do you expect from him. And yes he is a legend in Euorpe where he spend his best basketball years. Then he went on vacation in NBA(he was over 30) to earn few millions before he retired.

Good for him.

[Euroleague]

if we use your logic, why was an undrafted guy like kyle hines the second leading scorer for the back to back euroleague champs?


He was not LIAR.

In 2011-12, Hines was the THIRD scorer of Olympiacos, after Spanoulis and Printezis.


Olympiacos team stats 2011-12:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&pcode=002812&seasoncode=E2011


In 2012-13, Hines was again the THIRD scorer of Olympiacos, after Spanoulis and Printezis.


Olympiacos team stats 2012-13:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&pcode=002812&seasoncode=E2012


From now on, every single lie you tell, and every single bogus made up bullshit claim you make, is going to be exposed.

[aj1987]

Dude is 38 years old wtf do you expect from him. And yes he is a legend in Euorpe where he spend his best basketball years. Then he went on vacation in NBA(he was over 30) to earn few millions before he retired.

Good for him.
Still doesn't change the fact that a Euroleague legend was just an NBA role player.

[andz]

Still a losing record. :roll:
NBA >>>>>>>>>>> NBA D-Leage >>> Euroleague



:oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3ndqjIrn1rm2o78o1_500.jpg

[Euroleague]

Well, he played 31 games. And even if he hated it, is it too much asked from a top 3 player in the world to at least shoot better than 32% from the field and 17% from 3? I mean he should've dominated based on his athleticism alone, right?

Spanoulis did dominate. He dominated when he played against the 12 doped up NBA players of Team USA.

Is it too much to ask the 12 doped up NBA players of Team USA to be able to beat the team of the 12 "mega Euro scrubs"?

http://s9.postimg.org/p1ljyaf73/Untitled5.jpg

[andz]

Still doesn't change the fact that a Euroleague legend was just an NBA role player.

He was over 30 dude. OVER 30....

How about Kukoč, Ginobili, Stojakovič, Petrovič, Divac, Pau and Marc and many more of players from EL ........ They were all EL legends and after that NBA stars.

Your logic is lolbad btw.....

[dr.hee]

He was over 30 dude. OVER 30....

How about Kukoč, Ginobili, Stojakovič, Petrovič, Divac, Pau and Marc and many more of players from EL ........ They were all EL legends and after that NBA stars.

Your logic is lolbad btw.....

No one disputed these are fantastic Euro players (and Ginobili). But I'd put all of those guys above Spanoulis to be honest. :confusedshrug: And this is not even the tier of guys like Bodiroga and Nowitzki...

[Euroleague]

All that talk and Euroshit is still full of scrubs and they lost 82% of the time against the NBA teams.

You know your league sucks when the Raptors kick your ass.

EDIT: Isn't NBA scrub Anthony Parker a Euroleague legend?

11-7 dumb ass. That's 61%, not 82%. You fail at basic math.

[Euroleague]

50 posts? :roll: And I didn't brag about it. I've mentioned it and said these teams sucked balls. Then you came along and told me there were good players on these teams. I listed the scrub team from 2002, and you put me on your imaginary ignore list. Try again :lol

Stop living in the past troll.

[andz]

No one disputed these are fantastic Euro players (and Ginobili). But I'd put all of those guys above Spanoulis to be honest. :confusedshrug: And this is not even the tier of guys like Bodiroga and Nowitzki...


yes ofc. I am not arguing that Vasilli is in the same level as those guys. He is not and he will never be. The thing is that he said: LOL Nba scrubs are MVP's there and EL champs are scrubs in NBA which simply isn't true, because there were so many players who came from EL and became stars in NBA

[Euroleague]

Still doesn't change the fact that a Euroleague legend was just an NBA role player.

A guy that was well past age 30, and well past his prime, spent 6 years as a starter in the NBA, and played in playoff teams.

Just like Rubio (despite being maybe the worst rotation player in Euroleague) was "a dominant superstar in Europe".

Yet another NBA only fan that forgot to take his meds before he posted.

[dr.hee]

Stop living in the past troll.








Spanoulis "the mega Euro scrub" and Greece, "12 mega Euro scrubs"..........

101

Team USA, and it's 12 doped up "stars" (LeBron, Wade, Howard, Anthony, Paul, Bosh, etc.)....

95

http://chrislaz.net/images/HellasUsa.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2006-09/01/xin_32090301192050802962.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6605/greeklhoopsfm6.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2867/greeksofoklisschortsianitisdunksgx0.jpg

http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/55/3925257/106330-330-0.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3319/623/1600/greece.jpg

http://www.cortlandstandard.net/images/photo/09012006_002.jpg

http://www.greece.org/hellas/images/fiba/Nikh.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Basketball_WC_2006_Final_3.jpg










































































































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[Euroleague]

Still a losing record. :roll:
NBA >>>>>>>>>>> NBA D-Leage >>> Euroleague

Finland and Nigeria > USA and Spain

WTF is your point?

[Le Shaqtus]

Finland and Nigeria > Greece

WTF is your point?

Fixed that for ya bud.

[Euroleague]

yes ofc. I am not arguing that Vasilli is in the same level as those guys. He is not and he will never be. The thing is that he said: LOL Nba scrubs are MVP's there and EL champs are scrubs in NBA which simply isn't true, because there were so many players who came from EL and became stars in NBA

Spanoulis has more Euroleague MVPs and same amount of Euroleague championships as Bodiroga does.

So yeah, he's in the same class as Bodi.

[Euroleague]

Fixed that for ya bud.

Greece 101 - USA 95

Greece 79 - Spain 75

Therefore, ergo, Finland and Nigeria > USA and Spain

[aj1987]

11-7 dumb ass. That's 61%, not 82%. You fail at basic math.
42-9, Vagisil nutrider.



He was over 30 dude. OVER 30....

How about Kukoč, Ginobili, Stojakovič, Petrovič, Divac, Pau and Marc and many more of players from EL ........ They were all EL legends and after that NBA stars.

Your logic is lolbad btw.....

Over 30 is washed up now? There are lots of NBA players over 30 who would rip the EL a new one.

All the players you listed were beasts in the EL. Some of them even winning MVP's and shit. How many did they win in the NBA? A lot of those EL legends were nothing more than pretty decent to below average NBA players. Again, we're talking about players who were legends in the EL.

The Gasol brothers are the exception though.

[dr.hee]

Greece 101 - US 95

Greece 79 - Spain 75

Therefore, ergo, Finland and Nigeria > USA and Spain



Stop living in the past troll.


http://img.pandawhale.com/29490-Picard-applause-clapping-gif-s5nz.gif

[andz]

Spanoulis has more MVPs and same amount of championships as Bodiroga does.

So yeah, he's in the same class.


nah

[Euroleague]

nah

4 Euroleague MVPs and 3 Euroleague championships is Spanoulis' resume.

He's in the same class as Bodi among Euroleague players.

[andz]

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I agree

[Eric Cartman]

How difficult is it to swallow that scrub Jose Calderon made it in the NBA as a good role player and Shitnoulis was made a laughing stock in his short stint?

[gabepizza]

Greece 101 - USA 95

Greece 79 - Spain 75

Therefore, ergo, Finland and Nigeria > USA and Spain

It's sad and pathetic how you keep mentioning a game 7 years ago and a game that had no meaning.

More recent relevant games
Greece getting eliminated by Nigeria last year
Greece losing to Italy, Finland and Slovenia and getting eliminated this year.

Spanoulis leading Greece has turned them into a joke on the international stage.
Spanoulis has shown the world with his horrible play that Euroleague players, even stars cannot compete with NBA players.

He is the biggest scurb of all time.

[gabepizza]

11-7 dumb ass. That's 61%, not 82%. You fail at basic math.

No you fail out basic math and post lies.
Here is the actually record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

Read it and weep.

And every single game Spanoulis plays just shows him more of a scrub. If Spanoulis and Greece went to next years WC their would probably lose to South Korea.
:roll:

[Euroleague]

It's sad and pathetic how you keep mentioning a game 7 years ago and a game that had no meaning.

More recent relevant games
Greece getting eliminated by Nigeria last year
Greece losing to Italy, Finland and Slovenia and getting eliminated this year.

Spanoulis leading Greece has turned them into a joke on the international stage.
Spanoulis has shown the world with his horrible play that Euroleague players, even stars cannot compete with NBA players.

He is the biggest scurb of all time.

The "biggest scrub of all time" beat Team Steroids (USA) 101 - 95.

It's sad how USA, NBA, and NBA only fans will never get over that loss, where the 12 doped up "mega stars" got beat by the worst scrub of all time and 11 other scrubs from the scrub league in Europe.

The shame of that day and loss of Team USA is a day that will truly live forever in infamy.

I know you are psychologically scarred and permanently psychologically damaged from that horrible event and the shear horror of that loss that Team USA and the NBA will never live down, but there are medications out there that can help you.

You need to seek professional help. They can help you get over the PTSD that you so clearly are still suffering from that was caused by that defeat (the most embarrassing in the history of worldwide sports).

Oh and mentioning jokes on the worldwide stage..............even 50 years from now, USA, with 12 doped players, losing to Greece, will still be considered the biggest joke in the history of basketball.

[gabepizza]

The "biggest scrub of all time" beat Team Steroids (USA) 101 - 95.

It's sad how USA, NBA, and NBA only fans will never get over that loss, where the 12 doped up "mega stars" got beat by the worst scrub of all time and 11 other scrubs from the scrub league in Europe.

The shame of that day and loss of Team USA is a day that will truly live forever in infamy.
hahaha

Keep talking about a game 7 years ago. US still won bronze, Greece did not win gold, and Papalukas and Diamanties(sp?) where on the Greek team.

These days USA is winning gold and Greece is getting punked.

[dr.hee]

The shame of that day and loss of Team USA is a day that will truly live forever in infamy.

It's a basketball game :roll:

If some guys post pictures of Spanoulis sucking d*ck on this board, it's solely for entertainment purposes. It's not the meaning of life like for you :lol

[Euroleague]

How difficult is it to swallow that scrub Jose Calderon made it in the NBA as a good role player and Shitnoulis was made a laughing stock in his short stint?

Clearly, based on the posts in this thread, it's about 1/1000th as hard to swallow as the fact the same "scrub" beat Team PEDs (USA) 101 - 95.

Because it's blatantly obvious that every single American NBA only fan in this forum is still suffering from the damaging psychological effects of that day.

Poor American NBA only fans, still mind raped by Spanoulis even 7 years later.

[Euroleague]

No you fail out basic math and post lies.
Here is the actually record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games

Read it and weep.

And every single game Spanoulis plays just shows him more of a scrub. If Spanoulis and Greece went to next years WC their would probably lose to South Korea.
:roll:

The only games that are officially counted are the ones played with mixed rules.

the NBA is 11-7 in the 18 actual official games.

The others are friendlies and are not official.

Of course, like the pure psychotic troll that you are, you completely lack the ability to be able to decipher the difference.

[andz]

bodiroga schooling carmelo...

first one is pure orgasm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQEzmPKdqt4

[Euroleague]

It's a basketball game :roll:

If some guys post pictures of Spanoulis sucking d*ck on this board, it's solely for entertainment purposes. It's not the meaning of life like for you :lol

Go jack off to a Dirk poster.

[dr.hee]

bodiroga schooling carmelo...

first one is pure orgasm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9vei_yDYM

Dude was awesome. Could've been great in the NBA, too.

[dr.hee]

Go jack off to a Dirk poster.

Done. What now :confusedshrug:

[Euroleague]

bodiroga schooling carmelo...

first one is pure orgasm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9vei_yDYM

According to the American NBA only fans here...........

"In the NBA, they play superior intense defense."

:rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis raping Team USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHNtJnCrwRM

lol at how pathetic it is that these American NBA only fans still can't get over it, even 7 years later.

Freaking pathetic.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[chips93]

Still doesn't change the fact that a Euroleague legend was just an NBA role player.

steve nash was an nba legend, now hes just a role player

:confusedshrug:

[andz]

Dude was awesome. Could've been great in the NBA, too.

He was drafted by Sacramento in 95, but he decided that he would stay in Europe and he never was interested much in NBA. He was allways highly paid here so money wise moving to america wouldn't make much difference on his account.

[dr.hee]

Vassilis Spanoulis raping Team USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHNtJnCrwRM

lol at how pathetic it is that these American NBA only fans still can't get over it, even 7 years later.

Freaking pathetic.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

So who's the one mentioning it over and over again? Projecting much? Did something happen this week that made you angry? Maybe we should ask these two...

http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/aamu-tv/article6275354.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/30.8.+aamu-tv+petteri+koponen.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_404h/2010-2019/Wires/Online/2013-09-12/AP/Images/Slovenia%20Basketball%20Eurobasket.JPEG-0b853.jpg

I was rooting for Greece in 06 btw, I'm not even American. But enough about me...how was your week, Euroleague? :oldlol:

[CanYouDigIt]

This is some next level rage by Euroleague.

[Le Shaqtus]

bodiroga schooling carmelo...

first one is pure orgasm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQEzmPKdqt4

Are you seriously picking out Carmelo? Everyone and their mother knows he doesn't play defense :facepalm

Also Euroleague claiming how we can't get over a game that happened 7 years ago :confusedshrug: but he's the only one bringing it up.

[dr.hee]

This is some next level rage by Euroleague.

He's going to completely blow up when Spanoulis is watching the next round at home and yet another NBA player wins MVP of a FIBA tournament.

MVPs of Eurobasket/World Cup since 2000:

NBA players:

Peja Stojakovic
Dirk Nowitzki (2x)
Andrei Kirilenko
Pau Gasol (2x)
Kevin Durant


Non NBA players:

Sarunas Jasikevicius
J.C. Navarro

On the other hand, every single Euroleague MVP award has been won by an Euroleague player :applause:


There might be nuclear fallout in Arkansas in the next days...

[aj1987]

steve nash was an nba legend, now hes just a role player

:confusedshrug:
:facepalm :facepalm

The players that andz listed were EL legends and some of them even won MVP's. In the NBA, the best they could do was make a couple of All-Star teams.

Steve Nash is 39, BTW.

[chips93]

:facepalm :facepalm

The players that andz listed were EL legends and some of them even won MVP's. In the NBA, the best they could do was make a couple of All-Star teams.

Steve Nash is 39, BTW.

my bad, i thought you guys were talking about prigioni

[andz]

:facepalm :facepalm

The players that andz listed were EL legends and some of them even won MVP's. In the NBA, the best they could do was make a couple of All-Star teams.

Steve Nash is 39, BTW.

:biggums:

Manu has no rings? Pedja has no rings? Pau has no rings? etc.... I could go on if you want

[andz]

Are you seriously picking out Carmelo? Everyone and their mother knows he doesn't play defense :facepalm

.

nah I just posted a video of one of my fav players since we were talking about him. It wasn't ment as looooooool look at the scrub Carmelo....

You can't compare this two tho. Alot of water will have to run before Carmelo will be in the same level as Bodiroga.

Carmelo is still fantastic player tho.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif @ all you clinically psychotic "NBA Only" fans :mad: :roll: :oldlol: :wtf: :rolleyes: :no: :hammerhead: :banghead: :mad:

[dr.hee]

F*CK OFF!!! PERMA IP BAN!!!! YOU PSYCHOTIC LYING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

:lol

[aj1987]

:biggums:

Manu has no rings? Pedja has no rings? Pau has no rings? etc.... I could go on if you want
Peja was the man when he won a ring. He averaged an FMVP winning 0.5/0.8 on 20% while playing 6.4 MPG. /sarcasm

Manu was the 6th man on the Spurs for a reason. He had Duncan and Parker carrying him to win a couple of rings.

As for Pau, I said he's an exception. As good as he was during the Lakers run ('08-'10), he was never an MVP level player or a NBA "legend".

For the last time, NBA role players are considered "legends" in the Euroleague, but I really can't think of anyone who came from the EL and absolutely dominated in the NBA.

[andz]

you have no clue about basketball or you're a troll

But I don't blame you if you don't have any clue, because I can kind of understand why. You don't watch games in Europe and you only watch NBA, while I on the other hand I am privliged to have an option to watch both leagues.

So you see it's kind of usless to talk to you about this things, because you only see stats and you base your opinions on them and in reality you have zero clue what's really going on, while I actualy watch games.

[aj1987]

All stats and everything that has actually happened until now shows that the NBA >>>>>>>> Euroleague and it's not even close. That actually is a FACT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games). Now, if you can actually prove me wrong, go ahead. Until then go back to the Eurotrash section.

NBA >>>> Euroleague and NBA players >>>>>> Euroscrubs.

[Euroleague]

Peja was the man when he won a ring. He averaged an FMVP winning 0.5/0.8 on 20% while playing 6.4 MPG. /sarcasm

Manu was the 6th man on the Spurs for a reason. He had Duncan and Parker carrying him to win a couple of rings.

As for Pau, I said he's an exception. As good as he was during the Lakers run ('08-'10), he was never an MVP level player or a NBA "legend".

For the last time, NBA role players are considered "legends" in the Euroleague, but I really can't think of anyone who came from the EL and absolutely dominated in the NBA.

STOP. DOING. DRUGS.

[andz]

Nobody is claming that EL is a superior competition than NBA.... WTF? Please show me one post where I say that. All I said is that top 4-6 teams in EL could compete in EAST for playoff spots(on WEST it would be alot thougher), that there were some awesome players in Europe who had brilliant careers and played really good basketball even tho they never played in NBA and that some of the EL/European biggest starts went to NBA and played big roles in their teams and even helped them win championship as 6th man, roll players or stars on their teams etc.....

[aj1987]

STOP. DOING. DRUGS.
Anthony Parker.



All I said is that top 4-6 teams in EL could compete in EAST for playoff spots
I don't see any team in the Euroleague beating (to a PO spot) the Bulls, Heat, Nets, Knicks, Pacers, etc. When teams in the Euroleague are getting constantly beat by a shitty Raptors team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games), what makes you think that they'd survive in the NBA?

[Euroleague]

Anthony Parker.



I don't see any team in the Euroleague beating (to a PO spot) the Bulls, Heat, Nets, Knicks, Pacers, etc. When teams in the Euroleague are getting constantly beat by a shitty Raptors team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games), what makes you think that they'd survive in the NBA?

STOP. DOING. DRUGS

[aj1987]

STOP. DOING. DRUGS
http://www.eurobasket.com/Euroleague/Photos/Parker.jpg

[andz]

Anthony Parker.



I don't see any team in the Euroleague beating (to a PO spot) the Bulls, Heat, Nets, Knicks, Pacers, etc. When teams in the Euroleague are getting constantly beat by a shitty Raptors team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games), what makes you think that they'd survive in the NBA?

Since when do frindley games have a meaning? the only ones that did had were mcdonald tournaments in 90's where NBA teams did shit all over EL teams and EL vs NBA champion games, which were cancled because Stern got to frighten about the image of NBA when Barca beat LA.

Gap between NBA and El is getting smaller and smaller whether you like it or not..

[Fiba basketball]

Are you seriously picking out Carmelo? Everyone and their mother knows he doesn't play defense :facepalm

You have videos of Bodiroga doing that to a lot of NBA players, he even did that to Carter and some people think Bodiroga couldn't play against more athletic players :lol

[andz]

Bodiroga move "El Latigo"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_zvev7vDMI

[aj1987]

Gap between NBA and El is getting smaller and smaller whether you like it or not..
I'll believe it when I see it. The NBA still >>>>>>>>>>> Euroleague (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games) whether you like it or not.

[NumberSix]

Ελλάδα > Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες της Αμερικής?

[outbreak]

If ricky rubio was such a scrub in euroleague why did he win awards? Sure maybe he wasn't amazing but he was winning awards which means they recognised how much potential he had. Also spain had 2 legit NBA players, one of them is a young guy who's not known as a scorer and is still rehabing, the other is a guy who's never been considered a star, yeah calderon has been a starter but I think he'd be a good back up on probably 80% of NBA teams rather than a starter

[andz]

he won 1 award in 2010......

[Euroleague]

You have videos of Bodiroga doing that to a lot of NBA players, he even did that to Carter and ignorant, arrogant, NBA only fans think Bodiroga couldn't play against more athletic players :lol

I think that was what you meant to say.

[Euroleague]

If ricky rubio was such a scrub in euroleague why did he win awards? Sure maybe he wasn't amazing but he was winning awards which means they recognised how much potential he had. Also spain had 2 legit NBA players, one of them is a young guy who's not known as a scorer and is still rehabing, the other is a guy who's never been considered a star, yeah calderon has been a starter but I think he'd be a good back up on probably 80% of NBA teams rather than a starter

He didn't win "awards" in Euroleague. He won a SINGLE ONE award, and that award is a marketing based award.

Who the biggest future star is according to them.

It is NOTHING at all similar to a rookie of the year award. That was just a COMPLETE LIE made up by the super liar gabepizza (KWSN-Men).

So if you are going to make these types of comments and act so arrogant and so damn condescending and mocking about it, at least have the decency to get your facts right.

Otherwise you are just another troll.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Some of you trying to make fun of European players sound really dumb... Manu getting carried by Parker to titles :lol . Then again, you are getting trolled pretty hard so I can't say I'm surprised.

[Euroleague]

If ricky rubio was such a scrub in euroleague why did he win awards? Sure maybe he wasn't amazing but he was winning awards which means they recognised how much potential he had. Also spain had 2 legit NBA players, one of them is a young guy who's not known as a scorer and is still rehabing, the other is a guy who's never been considered a star, yeah calderon has been a starter but I think he'd be a good back up on probably 80% of NBA teams rather than a starter


OK, troll status CONFIRMED.

1. Marc Gasol = NBA starter on playoff teams

2. Jose Calderon = NBA starter on playoff teams

3. Ricky Rubio = NBA starter

4. Sergio Rodriguez = NBA rotation player on playoff teams

5. Rudy Fernandez = NBA rotation player on NBA playoff teams

6. Victor Claver = NBA rotation player


Yet another TROLL has been outed.

[dannywpt]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GaxYT56Bpb8/T1R4dERJYRI/AAAAAAAADMQ/4dBb6RDj6Jc/s800/AP%2520statue.jpg

[dr.hee]

Some of you trying to make fun of European players sound really dumb... Manu getting carried by Parker to titles :lol . Then again, you are getting trolled pretty hard so I can't say I'm surprised.

The whole thing is over soon. Euroleague is exposing trolls everywhere. Dude's on a roll. No long till all these retarded psychopath stat geek trolling mentally ill insane piece of shit NBA only fans are gettin their perma IP bans. The world is going to be a better place...

[Derka]

Lol, you had to get a thread up defending your boy. He sucks. :oldlol:

[dr.hee]

Lol, you had to get a thread up defending your boy. He sucks. :oldlol:

He sure does

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zo82zs.jpg

[outbreak]

OK, troll status CONFIRMED.

1. Marc Gasol = NBA starter on playoff teams

2. Jose Calderon = NBA starter on playoff teams

3. Ricky Rubio = NBA starter

4. Sergio Rodriguez = NBA rotation player on playoff teams

5. Rudy Fernandez = NBA rotation player on NBA playoff teams

6. Victor Claver = NBA rotation player


Yet another TROLL has been outed.

God your an idiot, I'm talking about who v-pan was up against as were you in your original post. Stop twisting things and stick to the same comparisons you were making yourself. :facepalm

So rubio only one won award, that's still a big deal for someone who you call a scrub and who you've said previously was one of the worst players in the league. I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge he isn't a terrible player. He isn't great but he's not a scrub.

I'm one of the people who actually acknowledges that the euroleague is a high calibre league and some players perform better in others, you yourself come across as having a blind hatred of the NBA and refusing to accept that players who do well in the NBA can also do well in the euroleague.

[Euroleague]

God your an idiot, I'm talking about who v-pan was up against as were you in your original post. Stop twisting things and stick to the same comparisons you were making yourself. :facepalm

So rubio only one won award, that's still a big deal for someone who you call a scrub and who you've said previously was one of the worst players in the league. I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge he isn't a terrible player. He isn't great but he's not a scrub.

TROLL.

As pretty much every single European basketball fan in this forum has told you, Rubio sucked in Euroleague.

I have seen like 5 different European basketball fans in this forum directly tell you that, and you STILL pretend it isn't true.

because you are a TROLL.

I know that myself and Fiba each told you over and over, and EVERY time you just respond with TROLL crap like "you are liars, no he was not bad in Euroleague, stop lying".

You have NEVER seen a Euroleague game in your entire life. That is VERY obvious.

And if you are talking about who Spanoulis matched against, then that would be 4 guys that were rotation players in the NBA. Because Rubio, Calderon, Rodriguez, and Fernandez were all trying to guard him through doubles and traps, and he was guarding them also on and off at various times.

So that would be 4 NBA players, not 2. Either way, you are still trolling.

[CavaliersFTW]

TROLL.

As pretty much every single European basketball fan in this forum has told you, Rubio sucked in Euroleague.

I have seen like 5 different European basketball fans in this forum directly tell you that, and you STILL pretend it isn't true.

because you are a TROLL.

I know that myself and Fiba each told you over and over, and EVERY time you just respond with TROLL crap like "you are liars, no he was not bad in Euroleague, stop lying".

You have NEVER seen a Euroleague game in your entire life. That is VERY obvious.

And if you are talking about who Spanoulis matched against, then that would be 4 guys that were rotation players in the NBA. Because Rubio, Calderon, Rodriguez, and Fernandez were all trying to guard him through doubles and traps, and he was guarding them also on and off at various times.

So that would be 4 NBA players, not 2. Either way, you are still trolling.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6mb34JApK1ranhnao1_400.gif

Please quote at least one of these so called 'European basketball fans' who apparently have ALL commented on Rubio in Euroleague and shared the same opinion. I'd like to see the quotes that prove them saying that he 'sucks'. Please post links directly to their posts.

[gabepizza]

TROLL.

As pretty much every single European basketball fan in this forum has told you, Rubio sucked in Euroleague.

I have seen like 5 different European basketball fans in this forum directly tell you that, and you STILL pretend it isn't true.

because you are a TROLL.

I know that myself and Fiba each told you over and over, and EVERY time you just respond with TROLL crap like "you are liars, no he was not bad in Euroleague, stop lying".

You have NEVER seen a Euroleague game in your entire life. That is VERY obvious.

And if you are talking about who Spanoulis matched against, then that would be 4 guys that were rotation players in the NBA. Because Rubio, Calderon, Rodriguez, and Fernandez were all trying to guard him through doubles and traps, and he was guarding them also on and off at various times.

So that would be 4 NBA players, not 2. Either way, you are still trolling.

Yet Spanoulis got totally exposed by no names from Nigeria, Finland and Dragic. Spanoulis has been exposed as the scrub he is. The whole world knows how week Euroleague when the MVP plays so badly in FIBA.

Spanoulis turns it over and Dragic for the layup and win. The scrub exposed again!!!

Everybody is calling Spanoulis weak and Bourousis soft.

I love it!!
:cheers:

[outbreak]

TROLL.

As pretty much every single European basketball fan in this forum has told you, Rubio sucked in Euroleague.

I have seen like 5 different European basketball fans in this forum directly tell you that, and you STILL pretend it isn't true.

because you are a TROLL.

I know that myself and Fiba each told you over and over, and EVERY time you just respond with TROLL crap like "you are liars, no he was not bad in Euroleague, stop lying".

You have NEVER seen a Euroleague game in your entire life. That is VERY obvious.

And if you are talking about who Spanoulis matched against, then that would be 4 guys that were rotation players in the NBA. Because Rubio, Calderon, Rodriguez, and Fernandez were all trying to guard him through doubles and traps, and he was guarding them also on and off at various times.

So that would be 4 NBA players, not 2. Either way, you are still trolling.

Forgot about fernandez and didn't realise they matched up but rodriguez is a scrub. I've never said rubio is great and I actually remember some euro guys (possibly fiba) agreeing with me that you were over rating how bad he was, he wasn't terrible he was a young guy who showed some promise. He fits in much better in the NBA as it's more flashy and pick and roll orientated but he was far from a scrub and the worst player as you claim.

[Euroleague]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6mb34JApK1ranhnao1_400.gif

Please quote at least one of these so called 'European basketball fans' who apparently have ALL commented on Rubio in Euroleague and shared the same opinion. I'd like to see the quotes that prove them saying that he 'sucks'. Please post links directly to their posts.

Ask Fiba. He has told you over and over Rubio was bad in Euroleague.

You are STUPID. You don't know when to stop trolling. Now you will just get outed even more for your trolling.

Your ludicrous BULLSHIT pretending I am the only Euroleague fan here that says Rubio was bad in Euroleague is really very insulting and ridiculous.

It just shows what a low life scumbag you are.

[Euroleague]

Yet Spanoulis got totally exposed by no names from Nigeria, Finland and Dragic. Spanoulis has been exposed as the scrub he is. The whole world knows how week Euroleague when the MVP plays so badly in FIBA.

Spanoulis turns it over and Dragic for the layup and win. The scrub exposed again!!!

Everybody is calling Spanoulis weak and Bourousis soft.

I love it!!
:cheers:

LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Howard, Paul, Anthony lost to "the worst player in the world", even despite being doped.

It will live as the single biggest disgrace in the history of USA sports.

I bet the Hall of Fame makes them wait a few years before they get in, just as punishment, for losing to "the worst player in the world", even despite being on PEDs.

[outbreak]

Ask Fiba. He has told you over and over Rubio was bad in Euroleague.

You are STUPID. You don't know when to stop trolling. Now you will just get outed even more for your trolling.

Your ludicrous BULLSHIT pretending I am the only Euroleague fan here that says Rubio was bad in Euroleague is really very insulting and ridiculous.

It just shows what a low life scumbag you are.

Noone is saying rubio was great in euroleague, this is where you completely ignore our reasoning, we are just arguing against your claims that he was a scrub, I haven't looked in a long time but if i recall correctly he played like 5 seasons or something in europe with 2-3 of those while he was under 18 didn't he? He wasn't considered a terrible player he was considered a young guy with some promise, he may not have shown it all but he wasn't a scrub and he wasn't one of the worst players like you claim.

[Inferno]

Euroleague, can you explain why Anthony Parker was a star in the EL compared to a role player in the NBA?

[G-train]

Basketball is a complex organisation vs organisation sport and it's variants shouldn't be discussed with 16 year old yanks who salivate over fast break dunks, while wishing they were born african american.

[G-train]

Euroleague, can you explain why Anthony Parker was a star in the EL compared to a role player in the NBA?

Anthony Parker is a wily, skilled player that doesn't rely on athleticism.

[Euroleague]

Forgot about fernandez and didn't realise they matched up but rodriguez is a scrub. I've never said rubio is great and I actually remember some euro guys (possibly fiba) agreeing with me that you were over rating how bad he was, he wasn't terrible he was a young guy who showed some promise. He fits in much better in the NBA as it's more flashy and pick and roll orientated but he was far from a scrub and the worst player as you claim.

He was a rotation player on an NBA playoff team.

So he is an NBA level player, whether your lying trolling a$$ thinks so or not.

[Euroleague]

Noone is saying rubio was great in euroleague, this is where you completely ignore our reasoning, we are just arguing against your claims that he was a scrub, I haven't looked in a long time but if i recall correctly he played like 5 seasons or something in europe with 2-3 of those while he was under 18 didn't he? He wasn't considered a terrible player he was considered a young guy with some promise, he may not have shown it all but he wasn't a scrub and he wasn't one of the worst players like you claim.

You just make up lies, claim whatever you want, troll, then call me out for stating the truth.

You are just as nuts as gabepizza.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague, can you explain why Anthony Parker was a star in the EL compared to a role player in the NBA?

can you explain why these players were in NBA rotations, but sucked in Euroleague?

Ty Lawson
Ricky Rubio
Goran Dragic
Gary Neal
Reggie Williams
Brian Roberts
Zaza Pachulia
Flip Murray
Von Wafer
Brandon Jennings
Tony Delk

hell, I can probably name 50 more such examples.

Feel free to enlighten everyone with your NBA only fan bullshit.

[dr.hee]

Damn Euroleague, why is this stuff so important to you?

[CavaliersFTW]

Ask Fiba. He has told you over and over Rubio was bad in Euroleague.

You are STUPID. You don't know when to stop trolling. Now you will just get outed even more for your trolling.

Your ludicrous BULLSHIT pretending I am the only Euroleague fan here that says Rubio was bad in Euroleague is really very insulting and ridiculous.

It just shows what a low life scumbag you are.
You specifically said every single one of the other Euroleague fan all stated that he "sucks". Your words. All I ask is that you cite such bold assertions :confusedshrug:

[dr.hee]

You specifically said every single one of the other Euroleague fan all stated that he "sucks". Your words. All I ask is that you cite such bold assertions :confusedshrug:

He can't. Euroleague is busy projecting right now to forget his boy toy being out of Eurobasket.

[outbreak]

can you explain why these players were in NBA rotations, but sucked in Euroleague?

Ty Lawson
Ricky Rubio
Goran Dragic
Gary Neal
Reggie Williams
Brian Roberts
Zaza Pachulia
Flip Murray
Von Wafer
Brandon Jennings
Tony Delk

hell, I can probably name 50 more such examples.

Feel free to enlighten everyone with your NBA only fan bullshit.

The exact same reason alot of euro players come to the NBA and struggle.

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT LEAGUES, TWO DIFFERENT PLAYING STYLES.

If someone's good in one league it doesn't mean they'll be great in the other, someone may be the best ISO guy in the nba or the best pick and roll player but in the euroleague it's more about team ball, positioning and shot selection. Same works both ways though, someone may be great in the euroleague but struggle with the nba's pace and run and gun style. You also then have to factor in how long a player played in each league and how much time they had to adapt to it, where they playing in an offseason trying to work on something specific? Where they rehabbing an injury? Were they killing time in a lock out?

[CanYouDigIt]

A top 20 NBA Player in the NBA like Deron Williams would be considered a combination of Wilt and Jordan in Euroleague.

[andz]

Too add: different rules and different court dimensions.....

[andz]

A top 20 NBA Player in the NBA like Deron Williams would be considered a combination of Wilt and Jordan in Euroleague.


not really... he sucked big when he played in summer olympics and "euro" players had no problem guarding him.

[CavaliersFTW]

A top 20 NBA Player in the NBA like Deron Williams would be considered a combination of Wilt and Jordan in Euroleague.
Not sh*tting you, Williams played a half dozen games in the Euroleague and steamrolled the comp so bad they retired his jersey :oldlol:

When you type in "Deron Williams Euroleague" this is the first vid that comes up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmGeei32HG0

Him dropping 50 on limited minutes :bowdown: :lol

[Inferno]

can you explain why these players were in NBA rotations, but sucked in Euroleague?

Ty Lawson
Ricky Rubio
Goran Dragic
Gary Neal
Reggie Williams
Brian Roberts
Zaza Pachulia
Flip Murray
Von Wafer
Brandon Jennings
Tony Delk

hell, I can probably name 50 more such examples.

Feel free to enlighten everyone with your NBA only fan bullshit.

I'll do it if you explain V-Span shooting 32 and 17 in the NBA.

[duskovujosevic]

not really... he sucked big when he played in summer olympics and "euro" players had no problem guarding him.

Deron played EuroChallenge which is third division competiotion in Europe.

They are trolling, and waiting Euroleague to appear

[chips93]

Damn Euroleague, why is this stuff so important to you?

says the guy with 22 posts in this thread :coleman:

[Haymaker]

can you explain why these players were in NBA rotations, but sucked in Euroleague?

Ty Lawson
Ricky Rubio
Goran Dragic
Gary Neal
Reggie Williams
Brian Roberts
Zaza Pachulia
Flip Murray
Von Wafer
Brandon Jennings
Tony Delk

hell, I can probably name 50 more such examples.

Feel free to enlighten everyone with your NBA only fan bullshit.

Delete Dragic from that list since he just took a dump on your hero and your dream team.

[outbreak]

Deron played EuroChallenge which is third division competiotion in Europe.

They are trolling, and waiting Euroleague to appear

I thought he was in the second tier league, anyway your correct he wasn't in the top competition.

[Andrew Wiggins]

says the guy with 22 posts in this thread :coleman:

says the guy counting how many posts he has in this thread :coleman:

[Euroleague]

A top 20 NBA Player in the NBA like Deron Williams would be considered a combination of Wilt and Jordan in Euroleague.

Yet, Deron Williams was eliminated by a mid level team from the Belgian League, in qualification of the second level European league, Eurocup.

If Deron Williams would be so great in Euroleague, why did he fail to even qualify for the league level that is BELOW Euroleague?

And why did he lose to a mid level team from the Belgian League?

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[Euroleague]

Not sh*tting you, Williams played a half dozen games in the Euroleague and steamrolled the comp so bad they retired his jersey :oldlol:

When you type in "Deron Williams Euroleague" this is the first vid that comes up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmGeei32HG0

Him dropping 50 on limited minutes :bowdown: :lol

So let me get this straight............

Deron Williams scored 50 points in a game in the EuroChallenge, which is something like the 12th - 15th best league in Europe..............

and he scored 57 points in an NBA game..............

and you actually think this is a point you can brag about?

I think we have a new biggest dumb **** in the forum winner.

[chips93]

says the guy counting how many posts he has in this thread :coleman:

no, says the guy who knows you can just click 'replies' when on the main forum, and it tells you who has a lot of posts, in that thread.

:coleman:

[Euroleague]

I thought he was in the second tier league, anyway your correct he wasn't in the top competition.

No, he played in the third tier league. His team was eliminated from the qualification round for the 2nd tier league.

They could not even beat a freaking mid level team from the Belgian League (Mons).


Williams played in the 3rd tier European league, EuroChallenge, which is somewhere around the 12th to 15th best basketball league in Europe.

Even then, his best game of 50 points, is less than his best game in the "vastly superior NBA", where he scored 57 points.

[dr.hee]

says the guy counting how many posts he has in this thread :coleman:

:lebronamazed:



says the guy with 22 posts in this thread :coleman:

The difference is...I've simply got nothing better to do right now. Sunday night in Germany, don't have university tomorrow and wait for the Breaking Bad stream to start. Wasting time on the internet. You could call it trolling if you want. I call it spamming for entertainment purposes. :lol Euroleague on the other hand is emotionally attached to the topic in a way that's pretty frightening if he's serious. So you can call me an idiot for wasting my time on this board ( even though you've got 6900 posts since 2011, I'm below 600 since 2008, lol ), but I wouldn't say this stuff is important to me. It's entertaining, but not serious. Does Euroleague sound like he's having a good time?

[Euroleague]

no, says the guy who knows you can just click 'replies' when on the main forum, and it tells you who has a lot of posts, in that thread.

:coleman:

I think it's pretty clear that Andrew Wiggins isn't playing with a full deck.

[CanYouDigIt]

Deron Williams scored 50 on Euroleague Gods

Then scored 57 on the Charlotte Bobcats.

Congrats, Euro GODS are better than the Bobcats :rolleyes: :oldlol: :applause:

[aj1987]

NBA players in Euroleague = Legends

Euroleague players in NBA = Scrubs and role-players

NBA >>>>>>>> Euroleague (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games)

[Rooster]

NBA players in Euroleague = Legends

Euroleague players in NBA = Scrubs and role-players

NBA >>>>>>>> Euroleague (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_versus_Euroleague_games)

This is the truth.:cheers:

There are more Americans named:bowdown:

Euroleague MVPs:bowdown:

Euroleague Finals MVPs:bowdown:

All Euroleague team:bowdown:

Than any nation in Europe:pimp:

And most of them are scrubs and NBA rejects:oldlol: :roll:

[Koresh]

Stop living in the past troll.

Huh, stop living in the past? You're the one getting an orgasm about crap ass Euroleague beating the USA in 2006...

NBA beat that ass 82% of the time they faced Euroleague. Go back in your mom's basement and go back to jacking off to V-Span YouTube videos, virgin. ****ing hick over here trying to be smart on the Internet. You've been exposed millions of times...Just stop already, ******.

[gabepizza]

So let me get this straight............

Deron Williams scored 50 points in a game in the EuroChallenge, which is something like the 12th - 15th best league in Europe..............

and he scored 57 points in an NBA game..............

and you actually think this is a point you can brag about?

I think we have a new biggest dumb **** in the forum winner.

And set the record in Eurochallenge and get his jerseys retired after 15 game.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/11/deron-williams-jersey-retired-after-just-15-games-in-turkey/1#.UjZS4_ksm8A


And Spanoulis get beat by Nigeria, Finland and Slovenia with Dragic!

He has embarrassed himself, his nation and his family. Everyone one ISH even Europeans are saying how horrible he is and how soft Bourousis is. Who will they lose to next???

South Korea?
Tawain??
Vatician City?

With that scrub Spanoulis you never know. He just keeps embarrassing and shaming his nation.

The nation of Greece weeps to be represented by Spanoulis.

Spanoulis with the TO! Dragic with the layup to win.
Again an NBA role player or a no name scrubs outplays the Euroleague MVP.
hahahahahahahaha

[Le Shaqtus]

Huh, stop living in the past? You're the one getting an orgasm about crap ass Euroleague beating the USA in 2006...

NBA beat that ass 82% of the time they faced Euroleague. Go back in your mom's basement and go back to jacking off to V-Span YouTube videos, virgin. ****ing hick over here trying to be smart on the Internet. You've been exposed millions of times...Just stop already, ******.

Seriously don't use facts, he won't even read them and he'll just call you psychotic.

I said 3 assists for V Span was shit, which was a stat that he literally put in the OP, then he called me a psychotic liar for making up false stats :facepalm Dude is either a hardcore troll or genuinely insane.

[Rooster]

it says alot esp since he won it 3 times. only one who also did that was Toni Kukoč.

Kukoc was nothing but a role player here.:confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

He did nothing. But the thing is it wasn't because of basketball reasons. Vasillis wanted to get out of America ASAP and he hated living there. He was out of NBA even before he played his first game.

Shame tho, because he could have had a decent career over there

Van Gundy played him 25 minutes and he gave him 7 turnovers.

Also he was shooting bricks even from intrascrimmage.

He just can't handle NBA players in a NBA rules.

[Eric Cartman]

And set the record in Eurochallenge and get his jerseys retired after 15 game.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/11/deron-williams-jersey-retired-after-just-15-games-in-turkey/1#.UjZS4_ksm8A


And Spanoulis get beat by Nigeria, Finland and Slovenia with Dragic!

He has embarrassed himself, his nation and his family. Everyone one ISH even Europeans are saying how horrible he is and how soft Bourousis is. Who will they lose to next???

South Korea?
Tawain??
Vatician City?

With that scrub Spanoulis you never know. He just keeps embarrassing and shaming his nation.

The nation of Greece weeps to be represented by Spanoulis.

Spanoulis with the TO! Dragic with the layup to win.
Again an NBA role player or a no name scrubs outplays the Euroleague MVP.
hahahahahahahaha

Props to you sir couldn't have said it better myself. :applause:

[chips93]

The difference is...I've simply got nothing better to do right now. Sunday night in Germany, don't have university tomorrow and wait for the Breaking Bad stream to start.

i could be mistaken, but im pretty sure ive seen you in plenty of shit throwing sessions with euroleague before


Wasting time on the internet. You could call it trolling if you want. I call it spamming for entertainment purposes. :lol Euroleague on the other hand is emotionally attached to the topic in a way that's pretty frightening if he's serious.

that 'if' is very important

who is really trolling who here?


So you can call me an idiot for wasting my time on this board ( even though you've got 6900 posts since 2011, I'm below 600 since 2008, lol ), but I wouldn't say this stuff is important to me. It's entertaining, but not serious. Does Euroleague sound like he's having a good time?

of my 7k posts, most of them are having, or at least attempting to have, worthwhile discussion.

i dont think that you are an idiot, but i dont understand how arguing with someone who is clearly trolling can be entertaining, and worse still, when people engage euroleague, and nonsense threads like these happen, they prevent any worthwhile discussion of international, or european ball from ever happening.

and that really really sucks

there is quality basketball being played, and rational conversations cant be had on it, due to shit storm threads, like this one, and the people who perpetuate them.

[robert de niro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Basketball_WC_2006_Final_3.jpg

I think you meant

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Basketball_WC_2006_Final_4.jpg

[Rooster]

I think you meant

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Basketball_WC_2006_Final_4.jpg

We hardly care for this kind of tournament. This is basically a consolation tournament. Basically a NIT tournament for us.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Just like in everything else...

America > Eurotrash

[Euroleague]

Deron Williams scored 50 on Euroleague Gods

Then scored 57 on the Charlotte Bobcats.

Congrats, Euro GODS are better than the Bobcats :rolleyes: :oldlol: :applause:

Deron Williams never played in the Euroleague genius.

[Euroleague]

Huh, stop living in the past? You're the one getting an orgasm about crap ass Euroleague beating the USA in 2006...

NBA beat that ass 82% of the time they faced Euroleague. Go back in your mom's basement and go back to jacking off to V-Span YouTube videos, virgin. ****ing hick over here trying to be smart on the Internet. You've been exposed millions of times...Just stop already, ******.

This is false.

[Euroleague]

And set the record in Eurochallenge and get his jerseys retired after 15 game.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/11/deron-williams-jersey-retired-after-just-15-games-in-turkey/1#.UjZS4_ksm8A


And Spanoulis get beat by Nigeria, Finland and Slovenia with Dragic!

He has embarrassed himself, his nation and his family. Everyone one ISH even Europeans are saying how horrible he is and how soft Bourousis is. Who will they lose to next???

South Korea?
Tawain??
Vatician City?

With that scrub Spanoulis you never know. He just keeps embarrassing and shaming his nation.

The nation of Greece weeps to be represented by Spanoulis.

Spanoulis with the TO! Dragic with the layup to win.
Again an NBA role player or a no name scrubs outplays the Euroleague MVP.
hahahahahahahaha

Wade, LeBron, Anthony, Howard, Bosh, Paul embarrassed themselves, their families, and their nation when Spanoulis beat them.

If you ever have an actual point, please feel free to make it. Until now, all you do is prove what a drooling retard you are.

[Euroleague]

Just like in everything else...

America > Eurotrash

At doping their players.

[CavaliersFTW]

Deron Williams never played in the Euroleague genius.
Yes he did and he torched Euroleague's best team with 50 points and was so dominant they retired his Jersey after just 6 games :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Yes he did and he torched Euroleague's best team with 50 points and was so dominant they retired his Jersey after just 6 games :oldlol:

No he didn't. He never played a single second in any Euroleague game in his whole life.

And he played 15 games with Besiktas, not 6.

He also PAID $200,000 to have the jersey retired.

HE PAID THE TEAM TO DO IT FOR MARKETING REASONS.

[BankShot]

No he didn't. He never played a single second in any Euroleague game in his whole life.

And he played 15 games with Besiktas, not 6.

He also PAID $200,000 to have the jersey retired.

HE PAID THE TEAM TO DO IT FOR MARKETING REASONS.

Out of curiosity (not trolling)..... link???

[outbreak]

No he didn't. He never played a single second in any Euroleague game in his whole life.

And he played 15 games with Besiktas, not 6.

He also PAID $200,000 to have the jersey retired.

HE PAID THE TEAM TO DO IT FOR MARKETING REASONS.

Your right about him not playing in the euroleague, do you have a link about him paying to have the jersey retired? That's hilarious if true, are you sure it wasn't more of him donating money to help the club or something? Either way link please

[Rooster]

Yes he did and he torched Euroleague's best team with 50 points and was so dominant they retired his Jersey after just 6 games :oldlol:

Turkey also gave him a Turkish passport and Turkish name.

Last name : Ever
First name : Greatest

[gabepizza]

Your right about him not playing in the euroleague, do you have a link about him paying to have the jersey retired? That's hilarious if true, are you sure it wasn't more of him donating money to help the club or something? Either way link please



You really think he has a link. He made this stuff up. When a result of a game he doesn't like he just says it is fixed (which of course he can't give links for) so when an NBA player plays 15 games in Europe and gets his jersey retired he has to make some conspiracy up. And isn't all jersey's retiring about marketing,.

[outbreak]

You really think he has a link. He made this stuff up. When a result of a game he doesn't like he just says it is fixed (which of course he can't give links for) so when an NBA player plays 15 games in Europe and gets his jersey retired he has to make some conspiracy up. And isn't all jersey's retiring about marketing,.

There's usually some nugget of truth/comment made by someone that he's tweaked into being a big deal\taken as something it wasn't meant to be, that's why I thought maybe he donated money/offered to pay for a ceremony or something and it's been twisted.

[Derka]

Out of curiosity (not trolling)..... link???
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BlazerRed]

Jose Calderon NBA stats per 36: 13.2 points / 7.5 assists on 53/52/89 shooting.

Vassilis Spanoulis NBA stats per 36: 11.3 points / 3.7 assists / 4 turnovers on 32/17/81 shooting.

[chips93]

Out of curiosity (not trolling)..... link???

he played in a the third tier competition of european basketball

the eurochallenge i believe.

[chips93]

Just like in everything else...

America > Eurotrash

clown

[gabepizza]

he played in a the third tier competition of european basketball

the eurochallenge i believe.


He also played in the Turkish league which had teams from the 1st tier competition of basketball Euroleague who he played against and beat.

[Euroleague]

Your right about him not playing in the euroleague, do you have a link about him paying to have the jersey retired? That's hilarious if true, are you sure it wasn't more of him donating money to help the club or something? Either way link please

I used to have the link, but not now. It was in Turkish language.

Anyway, when they retired the number they talked about it on TV.

Besiktas owed Williams a $200,000 check when the NBA lockout ended. So Williams made a deal with the club that if they would retire his number, he would waive the $200,000 that the club owed him.

The club decided they would do it and that it was done for marketing reasons.

And just to set the record straight amidst all these trolls.........Besiktas was HEAVILY criticized throughout European sports media and fans when they did that.

[Euroleague]

Out of curiosity (not trolling)..... link???

The Euroleague's own official website confirms it.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players?listtype=alltime&letter=W

Deron Williams has never in his life played in a Euroleague game.

Which really shows just how gigantic some of these trolls are...the guys like Rooster, Cavs_FTW, etc.....

Bragging about a guy "dominating" a league he never even played in.

[Wavves]

I used to have the link, but not now. It was in Turkish language.

Anyway, when they retired the number they talked about it on TV.

Besiktas owed Williams a $200,000 check when the NBA lockout ended. So Williams made a deal with the club that if they would retire his number, he would waive the $200,000 that the club owed him.

The club decided they would do it and that it was done for marketing reasons.

And just to set the record straight amidst all these trolls.........Besiktas was HEAVILY criticized throughout European sports media and fans when they did that.

I tried to find ANY info on this that I could and I can not find one report saying this is true. Provide a link or you are making up lies.

[Euroleague]

He also played in the Turkish league which had teams from the 1st tier competition of basketball Euroleague who he played against and beat.

LMFAO at Turkish League.

You are such a pathetic and sad troll.

[Euroleague]

I tried to find ANY info on this that I could and I can not find one report saying this is true. Provide a link or you are making up lies.

It's in Turkish language genius.

One more time you make a false accusation against me and you got in the iggy bin.

[Wavves]

It's in Turkish language genius.

One more time you make a false accusation against me and you got in the iggy bin.

Give me a link then.

[dunksby]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6605/greeklhoopsfm6.jpg


Durant got fat :lol :lol

[Nash]

Poor Spanoulis, he must hate Euroleague. He has brought him so much unnecessary hate and bad rep because of this retard. :lol

[ErhnamDjinn]

Poor Spanoulis, he must hate Euroleague. He has brought him so much unnecessary hate and bad rep because of this retard. :lol
i suggest everyone just block euro trash and let him be well all knowhe's just trolling.

[chips93]

i suggest everyone just block euro trash and let him be well all knowhe's just trolling.

:applause:

[Bandito]

I used to have the link, but not now. It was in Turkish language.

Anyway, when they retired the number they talked about it on TV.

Besiktas owed Williams a $200,000 check when the NBA lockout ended. So Williams made a deal with the club that if they would retire his number, he would waive the $200,000 that the club owed him.

The club decided they would do it and that it was done for marketing reasons.

And just to set the record straight amidst all these trolls.........Besiktas was HEAVILY criticized throughout European sports media and fans when they did that.
That's a bullshit story until proven otherwise.

[Fiba basketball]

That's a bullshit story until proven otherwise.

It's the truth, even Besiktas fans didn't want his jersey reitred. I'm mean would you like it if some idoit decided to retire some players number who only played 2 months for your team and not even that great.

[Blue&Orange]

16 pages of butthurt... this thread is a epic win for euroleague.

[Euroleague]

That's a bullshit story until proven otherwise.

Oh look, the pathological lying Puerto Rican is back............

Now that Carlos Arroyo is actually playing the actual real Euroleague this next season, now we don't have to listen to all your endless trolling here about how, "if Arroyo did play in Euroleague, he would be the MVP, and lead his team to the championship" bullshit that you have talked here the last 2 years.

This next season, you lose that troll argument.

[LakersForlife]

cyka

[gabepizza]

It's the truth, even Besiktas fans didn't want his jersey reitred. I'm mean would you like it if some idoit decided to retire some players number who only played 2 months for your team and not even that great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJHXg9HQZE

Yes the fans sounded so upset. Chanting his name and saying olay, olay, olay.

Listen we already have one European troll spreading lies continuously on ISH. We don't need two.

:facepalm

[Bandito]

Oh look, the pathological lying Puerto Rican is back............

Now that Carlos Arroyo is actually playing the actual real Euroleague this next season, now we don't have to listen to all your endless trolling here about how, "if Arroyo did play in Euroleague, he would be the MVP, and lead his team to the championship" bullshit that you have talked here the last 2 years.

This next season, you lose that troll argument.
When did I said that?:roll:

I only said an Euroleague coach said Arroyo was better than V-Span and provided links with facts. All you do is try to troll me and make me mad. You as bad as sliktheshocker but without the hilarious comments.

[MetsPackers]

http://i.imgur.com/dJI7qCa.jpg

[Euroleague]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJHXg9HQZE

Yes the fans sounded so upset. Chanting his name and saying olay, olay, olay.

Listen we already have one European troll spreading lies continuously on ISH. We don't need two.

:facepalm

You are so stupid it's hard to even describe............

[Euroleague]

When did I said that?:roll:

I only said an Euroleague coach said Arroyo was better than V-Span and provided links with facts. All you do is try to troll me and make me mad. You as bad as sliktheshocker but without the hilarious comments.

The same coach offered Spanoulis double what they pay Arroyo genius. Then signed Arroyo for half the money after Spanoulis rejected their offer.

I think you really need to STFU.

And Arroyo's team, Gala, has one of the biggest budgets and one of the deepest rosters in all of Europe. So just stop with the bullshit nonsense already.

It's really getting old.

[G-train]

Ignorant yanks still do not understand the concept of the Euroleague lol.

[aj1987]

The same coach offered Spanoulis double what they pay Arroyo genius. Then signed Arroyo for half the money after Spanoulis rejected their offer.

I think you really need to STFU.

And Arroyo's team, Gala, has one of the biggest budgets and one of the deepest rosters in all of Europe. So just stop with the bullshit nonsense already.

It's really getting old.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312593

[Koresh]

I would rip Euroleague a new asshole, but his boyfriend already does that on a nightly basis...

Dude's been on this site for ages and hasn't been permanently banned for trolling and lying his ass off?

Everything he says are lies or fabrications. Made up bullshit. Euroleague is worse than MediaTakeOut and this is an insult to MediaTakeOut.

[SpanishACB]

Spanoulis loses to Nigeria.

Spanoulis loses to Finland.

Team USA loses to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

Spain and its "legit NBA rotation players" lose to Spanoulis and 11 other "Euroleague scrubs".

By that rule Ricky Rubio is the best PG in the world because he beat Los Angeles Lakers in Barcelona the year LA won the NBA.

come again

[Eric Cartman]

By that rule Ricky Rubio is the best PG in the world because he beat Los Angeles Lakers in Barcelona the year LA won the NBA.

come again

You seriously compared a exhibition friendly to the Olympics/Qualifiers? Euroleague teams are just warm-up games for the NBA teams and anyone with a brain would agree.

[SpanishACB]

You seriously compared a exhibition friendly to the Olympics/Qualifiers? Euroleague teams are just warm-up games for the NBA teams and anyone with a brain would agree.

I'm using his logic.

And you're debating like you debate with him, you're like a walking troll bait.

Kobe played 38 minutes and he was shut down 2/15 fg. Everyone tried pretty hard. But you go on about talking without even knowing prior to this post that said game even happened.

http://www.nba.com/games/20101007/LALBAR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011000024

[gabepizza]

I'm using his logic.

And you're debating like you debate with him, you're like a walking troll bait.

Kobe played 38 minutes and he was shut down 2/15 fg. Everyone tried pretty hard. But you go on about talking without even knowing prior to this post that said game even happened.

http://www.nba.com/games/20101007/LALBAR/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011000024

First off that's wrong Kobe only played 24 minutes

http://www.nba.com/games/20101007/LALBAR/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

And yes Kobe played and tried pretty hard out of respect to the Spanish fans who paid to see him play. But he was playing on one leg, if it was a normal exbition game or maybe even a regular season game he would not have played that many minutes. He only played 6 minutes and was held scoreless in a 19 point loss to the Timberwolves three days previous in London.

[SpanishACB]

First off that's wrong Kobe only played 24 minutes

http://www.nba.com/games/20101007/LALBAR/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

And yes Kobe played and tried pretty hard out of respect to the Spanish fans who paid to see him play. But he was playing on one leg, if it was a normal exbition game or maybe even a regular season game he would not have played that many minutes. He only played 6 minutes and was held scoreless in a 19 point loss to the Timberwolves three days previous in London.

I was only trying to argument that saying X is better than Z because X beat Y and Y beat Z is dumb.

[Euroleague]

I was only trying to argument that saying X is better than Z because X beat Y and Y beat Z is dumb.

And you are telling that to gabepizza, the same guy that says Nigeria is better than Greece?

**** off idiot.

[Bandito]

The same coach offered Spanoulis double what they pay Arroyo genius. Then signed Arroyo for half the money after Spanoulis rejected their offer.

I think you really need to STFU.

And Arroyo's team, Gala, has one of the biggest budgets and one of the deepest rosters in all of Europe. So just stop with the bullshit nonsense already.

It's really getting old.
What a liar!!!!!
http://encestando.es/el-galatasaray-no-tiene-dinero-para-fichar-a-spanoulis-y-la-puja-por-el-base-se-reduce-a-barca-y-cska/

It says here that the coach already having Arroyo wanted to pair him with VSpan because he knows that Vspan can score but he sucks as a Point Guard. But because of money couldn't have Arroyo and Vspan on the same team.


BOOM Facts!!! Euroleague has been proven to be a liar people. Spread the news!!!!!!

:rockon: :rockon:

:roll: