Most undeserving MVP's

[aj1987]

Who do you think won the MVP over other who deserved it more?

For me, it has to be Nash over Kobe in '06.

Discuss.

[Iceman#44]

Russell over chamberlain in 1962, when wilt scores 50.4 ppg and 100 in one game.

[gts]

Russell over chamberlain in 1962, when wilt scores 50.4 ppg and 100 in one game.

Interesting, that was a players vote too. I wonder what the final vote count was?

[AKADS]

AI over Shaq

Rose well Rose just shouldn't have won.

Anyone who beat Micheal in his prime.

[aj1987]

Interesting, that was a players vote too. I wonder what the final vote count was?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1962.html

Damn! It wasn't even close!

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Rose in '11.

[Fresh Kid]

06 nash, 10 Lebron, 12 Lebron, 13 Lebron

[PJR]

Steve Nash won the 2005 MVP averaging 15/11.

A complete disgrace. :facepalm

[Vienceslav]

Shaq and Kobe will have the same amount of MVPs as Derrick Rose when it's all said and done and Nash will have the same amount as two of the top 10 players of all time combined.:roll:

[tpols]

Steve Nash won the 2005 MVP averaging 15/11.

A complete disgrace. :facepalm
He also made everyone on the team 10x more productive.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Derrick Rose and it isn't even close.

[Suguru101]

06 nash, 10 Lebron, 12 Lebron, 13 Lebron

As a LeBron supporter who thinks Kobe should have won in 2009... I don't see how you could argue anyone over LeBron in 2013. I mean, in 2012 maybe you could say Durant because he won more games, but Bron should have won.

But in 2013? He was the most worthy. Tell me why you don't think so Wilds, i'd like to hear your argument.

[Pointguard]

Interesting, that was a players vote too. I wonder what the final vote count was?
What's wild is that players rarely ever had a chance to see other players games and basically voted on how a player played against them and then the box scores. So they basically saw Wilt come in and basically destroy their team and then saw that Wilt was demolishing the others teams in the box scores. It wasn't like the league was into defense either because nobody was into playing it.

[pauk]

They got it all perfectly correct, a players productions dont matter if it doesnt translate to the most team success.... you must have also been there to see the true context to why those players were picked over others whe seemed to have the same wins/productions on paper...

[Myth]

He also made everyone on the team 10x more productive.

D'Antoni COY.

[pauk]

Many mention Nash, which makes me wonder if anyone actually saw him play and comprehend how well he impacted his team compared to others that year? With his offensive orchestration & intangibles he was accountable for anything that happened to that Suns team offensively, they ended up having the best team records and suffered dramatically when he didnt play... wouldnt make sense to give it to anyone else that year imo...

[aj1987]

Many mention Nash, which makes me wonder if anyone actually saw him play and comprehend how well he impacted his team compared to others that year? With his offensive orchestration & intangibles he was accountable for anything that happened to that Suns team offensively, they ended up having the best team records and suffered dramatically when he didnt play... wouldnt make sense to give it to anyone else that year imo...
The '06 Lakers would've barely won 15 games, if they didn't have Kobe.

[gts]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1962.html

Damn! It wasn't even close!

It really wasn't was it...

Players know who brings what to the table

[gts]

What's wild is that players rarely ever had a chance to see other players games and basically voted on how a player played against them and then the box scores. So they basically saw Wilt come in and basically destroy their team and then saw that Wilt was demolishing the others teams in the box scores. It wasn't like the league was into defense either because nobody was into playing it.


And players could not vote for guys on their own team.

Biggest thing I see on a quick scan is Boston went 60-20 that season including 8-4 against Wilt's team

[Legends66NBA7]

Both of Karl Malone's MVP years. He was actually more deserving of it in 1998, though.

[97 bulls]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1962.html

Damn! It wasn't even close!
Just goes to show that players view winning as being more important than stats. From frequenting Insidehooops, if I didnt know any better, id believe its better to put up 25-ppg on 50% shooting than 17 pts on 47% and win. Defense is an afterthought and not as important as offense. And championships only count if you were the best player on the team.

[QuebecBaller]

Steve Nash won the 2005 MVP averaging 15/11.

A complete disgrace. :facepalm

mvp = most valuable, not most statistical

[Dengness9]

Funny how all but 1 poster who mentioned Rose in 11 is a bandwagon Heat fan.

And notice how they don't even have another person who should've won in front of him.

:lol

[aj1987]

Funny how all but 1 poster who mentioned Rose in 11 is a bandwagon Heat fan.

And notice how they don't even have another person who should've won in front of him.

:lol
IMO Dwight or Lebron should've won it over Rose, but it's wasn't the worst by any measure.

[Jameerthefear]

IMO Dwight or Lebron should've won it over Rose, but it's wasn't the worst by any measure.
Lebron shouldn't have won it by any stretch.

[Dengness9]

IMO Dwight or Lebron should've won it over Rose, but it's wasn't the worst by any measure.


Dwight had great numbers but his team was 52-30 that year, which was 10 less than the Bulls won. Not to mention Dwight Howard can be a liability in the crunch w/ his horrid free throw shooting.

And I personally think Lebron doesn't deserve it when the Heat won 4 less games than the Bulls. Can't chalk it up to the Big 3 getting accustomed to each other when that was Thibs first years as Bulls coach and Boozer's first year w/ the team. Both Bulls and Heat were dealing w/ a lot of new pieces/etc.

Not to mention Boozer missed 23 games that season, Joakim missed 34 games, and Deng played the entire year w/ a bum wrist.

Derrick Rose was absolutely deserving.

If you dont think so, back it up w/ something....anything.

[aj1987]

If you dont think so, back it up w/ something....anything.
Dwight and Lebron had better stats than Rose and they were significantly better than him defensively, not to mention the efficiency. The Bulls worked very well as a team under Thibs. They were really good defensively. Without Rose, they still would've made the playoffs. Without Dwight, the Magic wouldn't have made the playoffs for sure.

Dwight: 22.9 PPG 14.1 RPG 1.4 APG 1.4 SPG 2.4 BPG on 59% WS/48 - .235
Lebron: 27.7 PPG 7.5 RPG 7.0 APG 1.6 SPG 0.6 BPG on 51% WS/48 - .244
Rose...: 25.0 PPG 4.1 RPG 7.7 APG 1.0 SPG 0.6 BPG on 45% WS/48 - .208

[ProfessorMurder]

KG should've won in '08. Huge franchise turnaround, DPOY, changed the culture of the team, best record in the league.


Dwight and Lebron had better stats than Rose and they were significantly better than him defensively, not to mention the efficiency. The Bulls worked very well as a team under Thibs. They were really good defensively. Without Rose, they still would've made the playoffs. Without Dwight, the Magic wouldn't have made the playoffs for sure.

Dwight: 22.9 PPG 14.1 RPG 1.4 APG 1.4 SPG 2.4 BPG on 59% WS/48 - .235
Lebron: 27.7 PPG 7.5 RPG 7.0 APG 1.6 SPG 0.6 BPG on 51% WS/48 - .244
Rose...: 25.0 PPG 4.1 RPG 7.7 APG 1.0 SPG 0.6 BPG on 45% WS/48 - .208

I think Dirk even had a better year than Rose too.

[aj1987]

I think Dirk even had a better year than Rose too.
That Dallas team also wouldn't have made the playoffs without Dirk.

[Rose'sACL]

Dwight had great numbers but his team was 52-30 that year, which was 10 less than the Bulls won. Not to mention Dwight Howard can be a liability in the crunch w/ his horrid free throw shooting.

And I personally think Lebron doesn't deserve it when the Heat won 4 less games than the Bulls. Can't chalk it up to the Big 3 getting accustomed to each other when that was Thibs first years as Bulls coach and Boozer's first year w/ the team. Both Bulls and Heat were dealing w/ a lot of new pieces/etc.

Not to mention Boozer missed 23 games that season, Joakim missed 34 games, and Deng played the entire year w/ a bum wrist.

Derrick Rose was absolutely deserving.

If you dont think so, back it up w/ something....anything.
I agree that rose/howard deserved MVP more than lebron that year. Lebron was still the best player in the league but not the most valuable player.

I would have given it to howard though given that howard played on a far worse team and still producing a little better stats than rose while being 10x the defensive player Rose was.
If people took defense into consideration, Howard should have won it easily.

[All Net]

Russell over chamberlain in 1962, when wilt scores 50.4 ppg and 100 in one game.

Yes Ice.

[nathanjizzle]

IMO Dwight or Lebron should've won it over Rose, but it's wasn't the worst by any measure.

why? lebron had a losing record that season against elite teams when d rose had a winning record. rose also produced more statistically against elite teams.

[aj1987]

why? lebron had a losing record that season against elite teams when d rose had a winning record. rose also produced more statistically against elite teams.
I'm not getting into that debate for the 9248903472937th time, but as I said, that wasn't the worst though. Dwight definitely deserved it and as ProfessorMurder pointed out Dirk has a case over Rose as well.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm not getting into that debate for the 9248903472937th time, but as I said, that wasn't the worst though. Dwight definitely deserved it and as ProfessorMurder pointed out Dirk has a case over Rose as well.

I think you could argue Kevin Durant too, but I think because he and Russell Westbrook were on the same team producing pretty highly, he wasn't getting the nod either.

[Dengness9]

Dwight and Lebron had better stats than Rose and they were significantly better than him defensively, not to mention the efficiency. The Bulls worked very well as a team under Thibs. They were really good defensively. Without Rose, they still would've made the playoffs. Without Dwight, the Magic wouldn't have made the playoffs for sure.

Dwight: 22.9 PPG 14.1 RPG 1.4 APG 1.4 SPG 2.4 BPG on 59% WS/48 - .235
Lebron: 27.7 PPG 7.5 RPG 7.0 APG 1.6 SPG 0.6 BPG on 51% WS/48 - .244
Rose...: 25.0 PPG 4.1 RPG 7.7 APG 1.0 SPG 0.6 BPG on 45% WS/48 - .208


So what about the fact that Lebron joined the Heat, and Chris Bosh, and they only jumped from 47-58?

You go right to the stat sheet but why? More important than those stats is what the MVP almost exclusively is awarded upon...

BEING THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM W/ THE BEST RECORD.

Its really that simple guys.

And Ill argue right now that w/ out Derrick Rose in 2010-11 the Bulls might miss the playoffs too w/ Boozer and Noah missing a combined 57 games. And if the Bulls still made the playoffs in this fantasy world we are in speaking in right now, Derrick Rose is the difference between a 1 seed and 62 wins and a team winning 40 something and being 7-8th seed.

Dwight Howard was on a 52 win team. Has anyone on a 52 win team ever won MVP?

Rose and the Bulls also went 3-1 that year against the Heat in the regular season which helped his MVP votes to some people.

The fact that DWade was the 2-3rd best player in the league in 2010-11 and Bosh was a franchise big man(at least at the time) and the Heat couldn't win 60 is just another reason Lebron doesn't deserve it.

Derrick Rose had 0 all stars on his team that year.

Lebron James had 2 all-starters.

We good here?

[Dengness9]

I agree that rose/howard deserved MVP more than lebron that year. Lebron was still the best player in the league but not the most valuable player.

I would have given it to howard though given that howard played on a far worse team and still producing a little better stats than rose while being 10x the defensive player Rose was.
If people took defense into consideration, Howard should have won it easily.

I respect your post.

But doesn't team record play always dictate the award, fair or not?

[Legends66NBA7]

Dwight Howard was on a 52 win team. Has anyone on a 52 win team ever won MVP?

Don't know if anyone won exactly at 52, but Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won MVP on a 40-42 team and Moses Malone won MVP in a 46-36 team and 47-35 team.

[Rose'sACL]

I respect your post.

But doesn't team record play always dictate the award, fair or not?
it should not if the other guy is on a 50+ win team and the gap between players is as big as it was between howard and rose.
On defensive end howard was a 9.5 while rose was a 3 at most.

[Sarcastic]

It really wasn't was it...

Players know who brings what to the table

Many of them also didn't like Wilt so they didn't vote for him.

[Legends66NBA7]

Many of them also didn't like Wilt so they didn't vote for him.

Source to this ?

[Haks]

They got it all perfectly correct, a players productions dont matter if it doesnt translate to the most team success.... you must have also been there to see the true context to why those players were picked over others whe seemed to have the same wins/productions on paper...
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Derrick rose steve nash and Allen Iverson should have 0 MVPs non debatable

[Dengness9]

Don't know if anyone won exactly at 52, but Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won MVP on a 40-42 team and Moses Malone won MVP in a 46-36 team and 47-35 team.


I appreciate you answering the question.

It must be noted that you reached back to KAJ and Moses for a comparison.

So in modern day NBA or at least the last 20-25 years it hasnt happened.

And i know it was declining but Dwight and his same team i believe were in the finals 2 years before. So a big gap between Dwight and his next best teammate but it was a team built around him.

[Dengness9]

it should not if the other guy is on a 50+ win team and the gap between players is as big as it was between howard and rose.
On defensive end howard was a 9.5 while rose was a 3 at most.


I dont understand what the bold means?

Dwight is DPOY almost every year and I get that. But youre saying Rose was a 3 on defense? I strongly disagree.

[aj1987]

I appreciate you answering the question.

It must be noted that you reached back to KAJ and Moses for a comparison.

So in modern day NBA or at least the last 20-25 years it hasnt happened.
'88 Jordan. 50 wins.

[Graviton]

In 2011 Rose deserved it as much as the next guy, any objective observer could see why. It's quite simple.

Lebron joined 2 other all-stars in their prime and his team still couldn't win more games than a 3rd year player with no other all-stars on his team and a new coach. Does no one realize how crazy that is? And he won 60+ games back to back by basically being his team's only offense. Obviously Thibs was a God but Rose was Jesus for that team.

Lebron had no case over Rose in 2011, Dwight though carried lot of scrubs and washed up players by being an overwhelming presence on the court. He had a good case. 2013 Dwight was Kwame Brown compared to 2011 Dwight.

[Dengness9]

'88 Jordan. 50 wins.


And then I will point out to you that MJ averaged 35/5.5/6 on .535%


So that's what it took for someone on a 50 win team to win MVP in 1988.

[Dengness9]

In 2011 Rose deserved it as much as the next guy, any objective observer could see why. It's quite simple.

Lebron joined 2 other all-stars in their prime and his team still couldn't win more games than a 3rd year player with no other all-stars on his team and a new coach. Does no one realize how crazy that is? And he won 60+ games back to back by basically being his team's only offense. Obviously Thibs was a God but Rose was Jesus for that team.

Lebron had no case over Rose in 2011, Dwight though carried lot of scrubs and washed up players by being an overwhelming presence on the court. He had a good case. 2013 Dwight was Kwame Brown compared to 2011 Dwight.


:applause:

[andgar923]

Sorry but all of Bron's MVPs are well deserved.

[Legends66NBA7]

'88 Jordan. 50 wins.

Good call there too.


I appreciate you answering the question.

It must be noted that you reached back to KAJ and Moses for a comparison.

So in modern day NBA or at least the last 20-25 years it hasnt happened.

And i know it was declining but Dwight and his same team i believe were in the finals 2 years before. So a big gap between Dwight and his next best teammate but it was a team built around him.

Yeah, I don't see it happening either. And like the 88 Jordan season suggests, you would have to doing something crazy, although Malone in 82 was leading the league in rebounding and 2nd in scoring too in comparison.

Anyways, I think two major things that held Dwight Howard back from winning MVP: 1) His technical foul count. 2) That even his defensive rim protecting presence couldn't stop LeBron James from dropping 50+ points on his team. I think that will always hurt your chances for MVP when another candidate heavily outplays you.

[Harison]

1. Rose.
2. Nash, one MVP max, and even that its debatable. He wasnt the only one who made teammates better, and some of them played defense too.
3. AI.

All these MVPs were more about "the story" than a player. Great players, but there were de-facto better ones who were snubbed.

[gts]

Source to this ?

There is none, he's just making stuff up :lol

Same guys gave it to him (Wilt) the year before then 2 years later gave it to Wilt 3 years in a row.

4 MVPs in 7 years isn't bad for a guy who the players supposedly don't like :lol

[Pointguard]

Good call there too.

Yeah, I don't see it happening either. And like the 88 Jordan season suggests, you would have to doing something crazy, although Malone in 82 was leading the league in rebounding and 2nd in scoring too in comparison.

Anyways, I think two major things that held Dwight Howard back from winning MVP: 1) His technical foul count. 2) That even his defensive rim protecting presence couldn't stop LeBron James from dropping 50+ points on his team. I think that will always hurt your chances for MVP when another candidate heavily outplays you.
I mentioned those two incidents in an earlier thread. Lebron punked Dwight Howard when his MVP talk was at its peak. Lebron talked about Dwight's boss (forgot if it was team president or GM) and said when he comes to town he was going let his boss know about it and then dropped 52 points on DH and company. DH knew it was a punk and hasn't been friendly with Lebron since. Orlando's GM, breaks the team up because they lack the gusto to make a stand for their boss. So one MVP candidate pretty much takes out another. His team was taken apart because they didn't make a strong stand. You just can't be an MVP in that situation. Then Lebron nominated Rose as MVP. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/03/31/lebron-says-rose-leads-for-mvp/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

After the All star break seven teams were in a tight cluster. Alot of people get MVP talk in January but it shakes its self out in March/April. Howard was strong early on but was barely a lit candle at the end having lost most of the big games with elite teams while Chicago dominated all of them and had the best record due to play in March/April. They didn't lose a game to the top 8 after Dec 8th and were winning games in the fourth quarter due to Rose's heroics. You can't finish weak. If it was a close game or a good team Orlando wasn't likely to win. Being unspectacular, not outstanding, losing and finishing weak is never going to get you an MVP. His getting suspended and his team having more chemistry without him hurt his chances as well.

The MVP voting wasn't close and it really wasn't a close race. DH wasn't liked by his coach, GM, peers, leaders in the sport and everybody was chiming in on it. He shouldn't have gotten the three or four votes he got - but Orlando press had to give him some support in hopes he might stay. I hope you all understand that. He would have been shut out if his contract wasn't nearly over. Even on this board very few people were saying Howard for MVP. But looking back people want to make the study of team falling apart look like most valuable material.

[Pointguard]

So what about the fact that Lebron joined the Heat, and Chris Bosh, and they only jumped from 47-58?

You go right to the stat sheet but why? More important than those stats is what the MVP almost exclusively is awarded upon...

BEING THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM W/ THE BEST RECORD.

Its really that simple guys.

And Ill argue right now that w/ out Derrick Rose in 2010-11 the Bulls might miss the playoffs too w/ Boozer and Noah missing a combined 57 games. And if the Bulls still made the playoffs in this fantasy world we are in speaking in right now, Derrick Rose is the difference between a 1 seed and 62 wins and a team winning 40 something and being 7-8th seed.

Dwight Howard was on a 52 win team. Has anyone on a 52 win team ever won MVP?

Rose and the Bulls also went 3-1 that year against the Heat in the regular season which helped his MVP votes to some people.

The fact that DWade was the 2-3rd best player in the league in 2010-11 and Bosh was a franchise big man(at least at the time) and the Heat couldn't win 60 is just another reason Lebron doesn't deserve it.

Derrick Rose had 0 all stars on his team that year.

Lebron James had 2 all-starters.

We good here?
Ha, ha, You too Good... here.

[Pointguard]

And players could not vote for guys on their own team.

Biggest thing I see on a quick scan is Boston went 60-20 that season including 8-4 against Wilt's team
Naaaah, the nation was transfixed with numbers at the time. The third best record was good enough for MVP as Chamberlain team had a worse record his rookie year. This year was right along with Mantle and Maris going for 61 which took the headlines from the threat of a nuclear war. That Wilt year made Ruth's year look like a joke in comparison - that was some Paul Bunyan mythological stuff there. And this winning thing as the primary force wasn't in effect just yet.

[TheCorporation]

As a LeBron supporter who thinks Kobe should have won in 2009... I don't see how you could argue anyone over LeBron in 2013. I mean, in 2012 maybe you could say Durant because he won more games, but Bron should have won.

But in 2013? He was the most worthy. Tell me why you don't think so Wilds, i'd like to hear your argument.

He is a dumbshit troll, how do you people not know this by now? Fresh Kid is a TROLL.

Anyway, back to the thread:

Rose in 11, Nash in 06, AI in 01 come to mind.

[JtotheIzzo]

Who do you think won the MVP over other who deserved it more?

For me, it has to be Nash over Kobe in '06.

Discuss.


Yep, with the GOAT coach they looked like this:

Record: 45-37

Lost NBA Western Conference First Round versus Phoenix Suns


Sounds like robbery to me.

clown

[aj1987]

Yep, with the GOAT coach they looked like this:

Record: 45-37

Lost NBA Western Conference First Round versus Phoenix Suns


Sounds like robbery to me.

clown
Phil played on the team? :facepalm The Lakers were a pretty shitty team.

[Iceman#44]

1962 NBA MVP hands down.

Wilt Chamberlain: 50.4 ppg - 25.7 reb - 2.4 ast - .506 FG - 100 points game -


And they give the MVP trophy to Bill Russell (18.9 ppg, 23.6 reb)...:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :biggums: :biggums:

[riseagainst]

Yep, with the GOAT coach they looked like this:

Record: 45-37

Lost NBA Western Conference First Round versus Phoenix Suns


Sounds like robbery to me.

clown

and that has to do with the MVP award how?

[midatlantic09]

In my opinion, Nash is probably the worst MVP of all time. He's a nice player and a future hall of famer, but 2 time MVP? lol...give me a break.

[SCdac]

I mentioned those two incidents in an earlier thread. Lebron punked Dwight Howard when his MVP talk was at its peak. Lebron talked about Dwight's boss (forgot if it was team president or GM) and said when he comes to town he was going let his boss know about it and then dropped 52 points on DH and company. DH knew it was a punk and hasn't been friendly with Lebron since. Orlando's GM, breaks the team up because they lack the gusto to make a stand for their boss. So one MVP candidate pretty much takes out another. His team was taken apart because they didn't make a strong stand. You just can't be an MVP in that situation. Then Lebron nominated Rose as MVP. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/03/31/lebron-says-rose-leads-for-mvp/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

After the All star break seven teams were in a tight cluster. Alot of people get MVP talk in January but it shakes its self out in March/April. Howard was strong early on but was barely a lit candle at the end having lost most of the big games with elite teams while Chicago dominated all of them and had the best record due to play in March/April. They didn't lose a game to the top 8 after Dec 8th and were winning games in the fourth quarter due to Rose's heroics. You can't finish weak. If it was a close game or a good team Orlando wasn't likely to win. Being unspectacular, not outstanding, losing and finishing weak is never going to get you an MVP. His getting suspended and his team having more chemistry without him hurt his chances as well.

The MVP voting wasn't close and it really wasn't a close race. DH wasn't liked by his coach, GM, peers, leaders in the sport and everybody was chiming in on it. He shouldn't have gotten the three or four votes he got - but Orlando press had to give him some support in hopes he might stay. I hope you all understand that. He would have been shut out if his contract wasn't nearly over. Even on this board very few people were saying Howard for MVP. But looking back people want to make the study of team falling apart look like most valuable material.

Great Post. Telling it like it is.

The "Dwight Howard was robbed of the MVP" myth has steadily grown on ISH because I think it's just trendy to say. I don't think many would deny Dwight defensive impact, but most overrate his leadership that season. His team did fall apart and players were ready to throw him under the bus.

It was a Dwightmare, pretty much.

[gts]

Naaaah, the nation was transfixed with numbers at the time. The third best record was good enough for MVP as Chamberlain team had a worse record his rookie year. This year was right along with Mantle and Maris going for 61 which took the headlines from the threat of a nuclear war. That Wilt year made Ruth's year look like a joke in comparison - that was some Paul Bunyan mythological stuff there. And this winning thing as the primary force wasn't in effect just yet.

Maybe so but the players saw it differently. They overwhelmingly gave the award to Russell that season.

You can talk about Wilt's numbers all day and night but in the end for whatever reason the players gave the award to Russell.

Looking at things it looks like back then the award seems to have been given to the actual most valuable player to his team, not like today's version which is given to the best player on one of the best teams

[Marchesk]

Maybe so but the players saw it differently. They overwhelmingly gave the award to Russell that season.

You can talk about Wilt's numbers all day and night but in the end for whatever reason the players gave the award to Russell.

Looking at things it looks like back then the award seems to have been given to the actual most valuable player to his team, not like today's version which is given to the best player on one of the best teams

Was Russell more valuable? He had the better team. Having better players around you makes you more valuable? I'm not buying that.

I think the players around the league felt embarrassed and may have thought Wilt was violating some sort of implicit code scoring that much. So they voted for Russell. But then that's just a guess. I wonder if any of the old timers or historians on here has any info on that.

[Pointguard]

1962 NBA MVP hands down.

Wilt Chamberlain: 50.4 ppg - 25.7 reb - 2.4 ast - .506 FG - 100 points game -


And they give the MVP trophy to Bill Russell (18.9 ppg, 23.6 reb)...:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :biggums: :biggums:
And Wilt's team had the third best record in the league which is always a qualifier. A 31.5 point in scoring difference is just crazy especially when you consider that before Wilt (who joined the league the year before) nobody ever averaged 30 points per game. Wilt's scoring advantage was equal to what the next highest scorer's output was (Bellamy at 31.6ppg).

It wasn't like any team really respected defense back then either as it was the highest scoring season ever and the Celtics allowed 112 points per game. Or the fact that Russell's defense was supposedly worth 31.5 ppg and 2 rpg is wild. Could you imagine a guy scoring only 38% less than another guy and not having any statistical advantage across the board. With the guy not only setting records where he is scoring like 50% higher than anybody else ever did. Even setting records on the voted MVP himself.

[gts]

Was Russell more valuable? He had the better team. Having better players around you makes you more valuable? I'm not buying that.

I think the players around the league felt embarrassed and may have thought Wilt was violating some sort of implicit code scoring that much. So they voted for Russell. But then that's just a guess. I wonder if any of the old timers or historians on here has any info on that.


Maybe they saw Wilt's numbers as being hollow that season?

Like I mentioned earlier, players had no problem giving the award to Wilt two years earlier, and a couple years later Wilt won it 3 in a row so i'm not buying into it was something personal against Wilt

[Iceman#44]

Maybe they saw Wilt's numbers as being hollow that season?

Like I mentioned earlier, players had no problem giving the award to Wilt two years earlier, and a couple years later Wilt won it 3 in a row so i'm not buying into it was something personal against Wilt


It's the reality my friend. You cant do that. A guy scores 50 points x game, 27 boards, probably 10+ blocks per game, his team is 3rd overall, he scores 100 points in one game, 78, 73 etc...and you give the Mvp to Russell?
I respect Bill, he is a great winner, a great defensive player, but come on now! It was clearly something personal....Wilt was just embarassing the entire League. 1962 Mvp to Russell is the most undeserving award in Sports history. :wtf: :wtf: :facepalm :facepalm

[Pointguard]

Maybe so but the players saw it differently. They overwhelmingly gave the award to Russell that season.

You can talk about Wilt's numbers all day and night but in the end for whatever reason the players gave the award to Russell.

Looking at things it looks like back then the award seems to have been given to the actual most valuable player to his team, not like today's version which is given to the best player on one of the best teams

Imho, don't think it had anything to do with Basketball really which is why I am bringing it up. Wilt was a jock and there is a reason that title has a stigma. Wilt was coming into town, dropping 50 on teams and grabbing the hottest chicks with reckless abandon. And society wasn't really integrated then. This was a good 7 or 8 years before the first interracial kiss was on TV. Wilt was leaving games with girls on both arms and he humiliating his peers during the game. People don't really hate Goliath if he isn't threatening and not going after every fine girl. Elvis Presley had a big backlash because he moved his hips. Racial and sexual tensions were the easiest thing in the world to manipulate.

People are still very racist today (go into the Trayvon Zimmerman threads here in OTC if you doubt this) and this is with a whole lot of exposure of everybody on TV and the effects of racism. When Wilt stops totally dominating his peers he wins another MVP. There were still huge social realities at that time. Gretsky won four straight MVP's without a Trophy because of his superior play - first two years the team had a losing record). His records wasn't anything near the distance Wilt had on his peers. It was a social taboo that was causing Wilt's MVP problems.

[NumberSix]

Rose. Obvi.

[pegasus]

Rose's MVP award has been the only well-deserved one in the last five years.

[aj1987]

Rose's MVP award has been the only well-deserved one in the last five years.
I know you hate the Heat and Lebron, but who do you think should've won in '10, '12, and '13?