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CavaliersFTW
09-19-2013, 05:35 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/hall-famer-heat-title-tainted-article-1.1461261


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Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 05:37 PM
:applause: :cheers:

TheReal Kendall
09-19-2013, 05:40 PM
:confusedshrug:

I thought you can step back while you're in the motion of catching the ball????

Or

Did he already catch it and then step back?:confusedshrug:

Looks close but it's in the past and it's not like they are gonna overturn it.

I feel like most people feel the Heat's rings are tainted anyway.

CavaliersFTW
09-19-2013, 05:42 PM
:confusedshrug:

I thought you can step back while you're in the motion of catching the ball????

Or

Did he already catch it and then step back?:confusedshrug:

Looks close but it's in the past and it's not like they are gonna overturn it.

I feel like most people feel the Heat's rings are tainted anyway.
In rec leagues I've witnessed and been called for travels in similar situations to that play, however I don't know how the NBA typically handles that play though - the NBA calls games A LOT different than rec leagues (no tic tac fouls and a lot of other things that fly in the NBA are given in my areas local rec leagues...). Blown calls have existed throughout NBA history though, if it is a blown call. First time I'd ever seen that play pointed out though.

HiphopRelated
09-19-2013, 05:44 PM
Old, and Rick Barry's pleas for relevance are just annoying at this point

Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 05:45 PM
:confusedshrug:

I thought you can step back while you're in the motion of catching the ball????

Or

Did he already catch it and then step back?:confusedshrug:

Looks close but it's in the past and it's not like they are gonna overturn it.

I feel like most people feel the Heat's rings are tainted anyway.
He caught it and then step back, I definitely smell a travel. I wonder what Lebron stans gotta say now:oldlol:

Lebron23
09-19-2013, 05:46 PM
Old, and Rick Barry's pleas for relevance are just annoying at this point


This

I respect him as a player.

PJR
09-19-2013, 05:47 PM
It was obviously NOT a travel.

Marchesk
09-19-2013, 05:50 PM
He caught it and then step back, I definitely smell a travel. I wonder what Lebron stans gotta say now:oldlol:

At least Ray didn't flop after he let it go. Maybe the refs were so impressed that they let him get away with it.

Or maybe travelling is like FT lane violation and palming the ball. It's one of those things that gets called once in a while because it's in the rule book and is supposed to be enforced, so the refs will just at random blow the whistle. And they'll say what the hell, and then call the next play a travel as well. And you're like what the hell? Lebron took 4 steps earlier in the game and now you guys decide to start blowing the whistle on travelling after you haven't called a travel in the previous four games?

#number6ix#
09-19-2013, 05:50 PM
No travel... 2012-2013 champs get off our nuts!!!

TheReal Kendall
09-19-2013, 05:51 PM
In rec leagues I've witnessed and been called for travels in similar situations to that play, however I don't know how the NBA typically handles that play though - the NBA calls games A LOT different than rec leagues (no tic tac fouls and a lot of other things that fly in the NBA are given in my areas local rec leagues...). Blown calls have existed throughout NBA history though, if it is a blown call. First time I'd ever seen that play pointed out though.

I've seen it called as a travel too.

I think you gotta dribble while you are stepping back if you already have possession of the ball.

But as you are in the motion of catching it you can step back and it won't be a travel.

You right though, the NBA are pretty iffy on their calling so IDK:confusedshrug:

outbreak
09-19-2013, 05:52 PM
It's a clear travel really by the laws, but in the NBA and at that moment it shouldn't have been called. Was reffed correctly in my opinion. The NBA always lets those little travels on ball catches and gather go, look at most players when they gather or receive passes and quite a lot of the time they take steps that would be a travel in another league. Same goes for carries not being called. It's just the NBA style really.

Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 05:52 PM
Lebron stans/cheat fans are in denial now:lol

Take Your Lumps
09-19-2013, 05:53 PM
Much better angle and slo-mo: (0:36)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nFQy-qmyotc#t=36

Lebron23
09-19-2013, 05:55 PM
Lebron stans/cheat fans are in denial now:lol


LBJ >> Knicks

TheReal Kendall
09-19-2013, 05:55 PM
It's a clear travel really by the laws, but in the NBA and at that moment it shouldn't have been called. Was reffed correctly in my opinion. The NBA always lets those little travels on ball catches and gather go, look at most players when they gather or receive passes and quite a lot of the time they take steps that would be a travel in another league. Same goes for carries not being called. It's just the NBA style really.

I don't like this way of thinking.

If it's against the rules you gotta call it. No matter if it's in the beginning of the game or end.

Same goes with the foul calling.

If you let them play hard nosed D in the beginning you gotta stay true to that through the game.

Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 05:56 PM
At least Ray didn't flop after he let it go. Maybe the refs were so impressed that they let him get away with it.

Or maybe travelling is like FT lane violation and palming the ball. It's one of those things that gets called once in a while because it's in the rule book and is supposed to be enforced, so the refs will just at random blow the whistle. And they'll say what the hell, and then call the next play a travel as well. And you're like what the hell? Lebron took 4 steps earlier in the game and now you guys decide to start blowing the whistle on travelling after you haven't called a travel in the previous four games?
it goes to show that lebron didnt earned any rings, and people thought I was krazy when I always say tha refs and stern wants lebron to win, its too damn obvious.

inclinerator
09-19-2013, 05:58 PM
Much better angle and slo-mo: (0:36)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nFQy-qmyotc#t=36
yea, that's definitely not a travel

Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 06:00 PM
I don't like this way of thinking.

If it's against the rules you gotta call it. No matter if it's in the beginning of the game or end.

Same goes with the foul calling.

If you let them play hard nosed D in the beginning you gotta stay true to that through the game.
very true, especially that knicks pacers series where pacers had at least 30 more free throw attempts than tha knicks. Something real fishy going on.

Marchesk
09-19-2013, 06:00 PM
I don't like this way of thinking.

If it's against the rules you gotta call it. No matter if it's in the beginning of the game or end.

Same goes with the foul calling.

If you let them play hard nosed D in the beginning you gotta stay true to that through the game.

That always bugged me. It seems the rules change late in games. And it seems certain players such as Reggie Miller really benefitted. Such as when he pushed a Knicks ball handler over to steal the ball and hit a crucial three. That shit was funny as hell, but come on man.

Or when he pushed off on MJ to nail a three point shot to send the series back to Chicago. And he was jumping up and down on a hurt ankle. I wanted the Pacers to win, but I had to admit the refs turned a blind eye.

TheReal Kendall
09-19-2013, 06:01 PM
very true, especially that knicks pacers series where pacers had at least 30 more free throw attempts than tha knicks. Something real fishy going on.

The Knicks freaking suck! Melo needs to leave that dead ass team ASAP

Marchesk
09-19-2013, 06:02 PM
it goes to show that lebron didnt earned any rings, and people thought I was krazy when I always say tha refs and stern wants lebron to win, its too damn obvious.

Meh. Spurs had that series and they blew it. They should have won. San Antonio had Miami beat. It was their series to win. And they choked. Couldn't get a rebound on one of those missed threes. A couple of missed free throws. Ginobli the turnover machine in that same game. All of it.

And then Duncan missing a gimme late in game 7. You get so many chances and then that's it.

And it kills me. Good thing I'm not a Spurs fan.

Trollsmasher
09-19-2013, 06:03 PM
You forgot about everyone who understands basketball laughing at Rick Barry for this quote...

bagelred
09-19-2013, 06:03 PM
It's clearly NOT a travel, as he's still gathering the ball, but even if it was, there isn't a chance in the world the refs would call it. C'mon now....

HEAT111
09-19-2013, 06:04 PM
I guess you guys are having a tough off-season? No worries, just a month and 10 days left till the Tip-Off. :lol

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
09-19-2013, 06:04 PM
Aren't you allowed to gather? According to the rules, I'm not sure that's a travel.

Crown&Coke
09-19-2013, 06:05 PM
when it happened I yelled travel. then the subsequent twelve hundred replays I thought it was legit.

But even if it was a travel, Lebron gave him the crab dribble get out of turnover free card. nothing to see here

ILLsmak
09-19-2013, 06:21 PM
I said it looked like a travel, and it did. I could see it being called a travel, but oddly, I can also understand that because he's falling back it's kind of like the two step rule but back. It was ridic that he made that shot. Just like Fisher's .4 shot was nowhere near .4.

-Smak

TheReturn
09-19-2013, 06:26 PM
It's not a travel. He's in the motion already before he catches it. After he catches it, he just plants his feet and takes the shot.

kennethgriffin
09-19-2013, 06:31 PM
aaaaaaahhhhem....



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305026



























:coleman:

NumberSix
09-19-2013, 06:33 PM
SAS. 2013 moral victors.

kennethgriffin
09-19-2013, 06:36 PM
SAS. 2013 moral victors.

tainted victories are always better

lakers got the hardware in 2002... kings are coasting off morals :lol

Miller for 3
09-19-2013, 06:59 PM
Lebron has 0 rings.

12 was lockout year and 13 was won by rigged game 6 and Ray Allen's out of bounds traveling 3 shot after the shotclock had already expired.

Batum > Lebum.

/Thread

iDunk
09-19-2013, 06:59 PM
He sorta has a point, but 0% the refs would ever call that in that type of situation. The shot negated the travel.

Fresh Kid
09-19-2013, 07:01 PM
Lebron has 0 rings.

12 was lockout year and 13 was won by rigged game 6 and Ray Allen's out of bounds traveling 3 shot after the shotclock had already expired.

Batum > Lebum.

/Thread
:applause:

andgar923
09-19-2013, 07:29 PM
He sorta has a point, but 0% the refs would ever call that in that type of situation. The shot negated the travel.

That play wouldnt even be called in the 1st quarter of the the 1st game in the regular season, let alone in that moment.

And even then, it's not really a clear cut travel since he was gathering himself, the play was all one motion. He was receiving the ball as he was backing away, not the other way around. He hadn't clearly establshed possession, it was very very close at that.

Real Men Wear Green
09-19-2013, 07:30 PM
And MJ pushed off. History tends not to care.

G-train
09-19-2013, 07:30 PM
This guy is just mad. Somebody draw u mad on his forehead.

bdreason
09-19-2013, 07:38 PM
It depends on when you want to say he actually had possession. To me, it looks like he's already stepping back as he gains full possession of the ball. It's no different than the jump-stop rule. If you're still gathering your dribble as you make the move, it's not a travel. If you've already picked up your dribble, it's a travel.


In the NBA, the refs are pretty lenient on traveling, so to say the title is tainted from one subjective non-call is ridiculous. We can go back and look at the entire series and probably call 15-20 travels on players from the Spurs.

TheReal Kendall
09-19-2013, 07:40 PM
And MJ pushed off. History tends not to care.

:applause:

There's a lot of plays like this.

All I ask is for them to call the game right.

If it's against the rules then call it

OldSkoolball#52
09-19-2013, 07:57 PM
Guaranteed there were plenty of other travels troughout the series by both teams. Singling out one and sayin it nullifies the title is lulz.

MiseryCityTexas
09-19-2013, 07:59 PM
yeah and rick barry is racist but pretends not to be.

kamil
09-19-2013, 08:38 PM
Wouldn't it be a travel only if he had dribbled AFTER the step? Just like on a fast break; you catch, take two steps and shoot. Whether its a layup or jump shot, its all the same.

In my mind, its NOT a travel.

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Miami bought its way to a championship and STILL struggled against a young Pacers and old ass Spurs team. LBJ greatest? You gotta be real phukking stupid to believe that. Everything Miami has done in the last three years has had one GIGANTIC asterisk next to it.

Akhenaten
09-19-2013, 08:53 PM
Much better angle and slo-mo: (0:36)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nFQy-qmyotc#t=36

Hubie Brown :44-:46: "He's backing up AS he catches the pass, then comes right back with the shot"

stay salty my friends

http://www.classictraderscashandcarry.com/82-large_default/lawry-s-season-salt.jpg

Doranku
09-19-2013, 08:59 PM
:oldlol: I hate the god damned Heat, but that wasn't a travel.


For instance, this is a travel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74

Ray Allen's was not a travel.

Noyze
09-19-2013, 09:53 PM
Do you really want the ref to call offensive foul on Reggie when he hit the game winner against the bulls? What about Jordan's push off against Russell? So let's take away one of the greatest shots of all time to call traveling.....and it wasn't even a travel.

HoopsFanNumero1
09-19-2013, 10:04 PM
This clown actually said the title is tainted because of a travel (which it actually wasn't)? I wonder what he thinks of the third quarter in that game where the Heat couldn't get a single call.

Cherry Picker
09-19-2013, 10:26 PM
Guaranteed there were plenty of other travels troughout the series by both teams. Singling out one and sayin it nullifies the title is lulz.
tbh

jongib369
09-19-2013, 10:30 PM
It's a clear travel really by the laws, but in the NBA and at that moment it shouldn't have been called. Was reffed correctly in my opinion. The NBA always lets those little travels on ball catches and gather go, look at most players when they gather or receive passes and quite a lot of the time they take steps that would be a travel in another league. Same goes for carries not being called. It's just the NBA style really.

What's the point in having rules in a game if you aren't going to follow them

:biggums:

Chrono90
09-19-2013, 10:33 PM
There's missed calls and bad calls for both teams. NBA being an entertainment, they're not going to call a travel to end the championship game.

There's plenty of legit travels by Lebron not called in clutch playoff moments. It is what it is.

jongib369
09-19-2013, 10:33 PM
Do you really want the ref to call offensive foul on Reggie when he hit the game winner against the bulls? What about Jordan's push off against Russell? So let's take away one of the greatest shots of all time to call traveling.....and it wasn't even a travel.
As a bulls fan whose EARLIEST NBA memory was that shot by Jordan, I'd rather him win fairly in 7 then having a "perfect" ending

AngelEyes
09-19-2013, 10:42 PM
Rick Barry has always been an attention seeking jackass. Great player but a bit of a douche.

lakerspng
09-19-2013, 11:19 PM
technically it's a travel. he catches the ball, then his right foot hits inside the three point line, then his left hits behind the 3 point line and his right hits behind the line and he goes up and shoots. 10% chance a ref even sees his feet in that situation as scrambled as the play was and if they did see it, maybe a 10% chance he then calls that in that situation.

Spurs lost that game. Should not have allowed it to come down to that, they have no one to blame but themselves.

nathanjizzle
09-19-2013, 11:52 PM
:facepalm get the **** outta here with that bitch made whistle blower shit.

kNicKz
09-19-2013, 11:55 PM
Rick Barry stop snitching

mugiwara
09-20-2013, 02:01 AM
no travel.

iamgine
09-20-2013, 02:45 AM
It's a travel but it happened pretty fast and not one that's easily caught without slo-mo video. So there's really no taint unless we're gonna call all the championships won by any team tainted.

poido123
09-20-2013, 03:03 AM
Travel or not, I have no problem with it. Refs miss alot of shit, this is no surprise to me...

Big shot and time to move on, new season. Someone needs to remind Rick Barry to get out of the time machine...

AirFederer
09-20-2013, 03:09 AM
I don`t see a travel.
Let`s hope for an even closer play off next year.

AussieG
09-20-2013, 03:44 AM
If the NBA Finals were only 2 mins of basketball.. and that happened.. he'd have a point.

AussieG
09-20-2013, 03:46 AM
What's the point in having rules in a game if you aren't going to follow them

:biggums:
Because the NBA is a bit like WWE. It tries to be entertaining, and not just a pure sport.

KNOW1EDGE
09-20-2013, 03:51 AM
Lebron stans/cheat fans are in denial now:lol

Um, you are in denial if you somehow think Rick Barry's words take away The Heats championship and place in history/record books

plowking
09-20-2013, 03:51 AM
I don`t see a travel.
Let`s hope for an even closer play off next year.

Even closer than last season is a tough ask. That was one of the best and closest finals most people on here have seen.

2swift4u
09-20-2013, 04:09 AM
look at that play, noone is going to call that! I'm not sure if it's a travel or not but it looked like one flowing motion and therefore noone thought it was a rule violation.

Sakkreth
09-20-2013, 05:16 AM
I don't think it would have been called even in fiba...

BoutPractice
09-20-2013, 05:33 AM
It's anything but an "obvious" travel, and in this situation, you just don't call a travel that's not "obvious".

This is pure hate... anyone looking objectively at what happened (everyone who played basketball, actually) should realize that the execution of this play by Ray Allen is ASTOUNDING. It'll forever remain a textbook example of clutchness and rising to the occasion. He got one opportunity - there was only one left, it would have to be him - to save his team's season, and he converted it in perfect fashion.

Imagine all the things that could've gone wrong with this play. He could've been out of bounds. He could've made a 2 instead of a 3. He could've lost control of the ball. He could've fired it too high or too low, too weak or too strong. But no... with the title on the line, he made sure he was in the right spot, kept his balance, launched the shot using a fundamentally sound form complete with follow through, and made it... naturally. This was the work of a professional assassin.

Fresh Kid
09-20-2013, 05:42 AM
yall niguhs funny:oldlol: making up silly excuses like rick barry iz old and mad so that means hes wrong??:facepalm , come on yall truth iz truth, you gotta admit it, Lebron never earned his rings, not one damn time.

ripthekik
09-20-2013, 06:13 AM
lebron/heat's rings are tainted.
tell me something new i didn't know

Owl
09-20-2013, 06:37 AM
By my understanding of the rules it is a travel (though I don't know the details of the NBA rule book, or whether refs actually call that a travel in practice).

But does it make the Heat title tainted, no. Not unless you go through all the reffing in the entire series and are certain that after correcting calls, the Spurs should have won (and different people, even different NBA refs will call them differently). Even then each decision would have affected how each team played so you can't be sure of anything.

Some people focus only on what happens in the last minute/30 seconds and emphasize that over all else. Its crazy.

All Net
09-20-2013, 07:52 AM
Old man looking for attention again.

ripthekik
09-20-2013, 09:47 AM
By my understanding of the rules it is a travel.

All we needed to hear from you.
Tainted.

Will Lebron ever get a clean ring? And without a cast of all stars and top drafts?

#number6ix#
09-20-2013, 10:05 AM
At that point of the game u let the players decide the outcome not a whistle... Such a quick bang bang play like that the refs were probably more focus on making sure his feet was behind the line...it doesnt look like a travel the spurs choked... Miami heat 2012-2013 champs

pegasus
09-20-2013, 12:57 PM
At that point of the game u let the players decide the outcome not a whistle... Such a quick bang bang play like that the refs were probably more focus on making sure his feet was behind the line...it doesnt look like a travel the spurs choked... Miami heat 2012-2013 champs

Stupid excuse. They have cameras for that, and they actually stopped the Spurs' fastbreak to check the monitor, and that's what drove Pop nuts.

Watching it live, I thought it was a travel, and re-watching it confirmed it.

97 bulls
09-20-2013, 03:08 PM
If this is the case then all championship runs should have an asterisk. The refs always miss calls. Some benefit the Heats opposition.

Even as a Bulls fan. There was a play vs Utah in 98 where the refs counted a shot from Ron Harper that really was a shot clock violation. And the Bulls won by 2. Like my coach.would always say "dont put yourself in a situation where the refs can cost you the game".

mr beast
09-20-2013, 04:59 PM
from 1 camera angle, it looked like he caught the ball and took 3 steps

but from all other angle it looks legit


anyways, not like we gona roll back the clock and replay g6 and g7 if needed

funnystuff
09-20-2013, 05:14 PM
It should of been a Heat blowout anyway, see the 3rd quarter game 6. Refs were doing all they could to keep Pop in it. So obvious. :lol

Killbot
09-20-2013, 05:31 PM
Not a travel. Ray Allen catches the ball when his right foot was on the floor, but he didn't GATHER the ball, so it's not his PIVOT foot. He fully gathers it with two hands once he landed on his left foot. That indicates that his pivot becomes the left. Then he moves his right foot behind the 3 pt arc, so it's not a travel.

People are still debating whether it's a travel or not a travel and that's from waiting for the slow motion. In real time, it would be extremely difficult to make the right call. It's silly to blow the refs' heads off and discredit the Heat title off of that call.

Lebron23
09-20-2013, 05:43 PM
Not a travel. Ray Allen catches the ball when his right foot was on the floor, but he didn't GATHER the ball, so it's not his PIVOT foot. He fully gathers it with two hands once he landed on his left foot. That indicates that his pivot becomes the left. Then he moves his right foot behind the 3 pt arc, so it's not a travel.

People are still debating whether it's a travel or not a travel and that's from waiting for the slow motion. In real time, it would be extremely difficult to make the right call. It's silly to blow the refs' heads off and discredit the Heat title off of that call.


This

You need to post every day in the NBA forum.

Anaximandro1
09-20-2013, 06:12 PM
Spurs fan here


The Heat won fair and square.

Pop cost his team the NBA title in G6.

AussieG
09-20-2013, 06:41 PM
If it were a proper blown call, everyone would have been talking about it straight after the game.. not so many months later.

Lebron23
09-20-2013, 07:08 PM
Spurs fan here


The Heat won fair and square.

Pop cost his team the NBA title in G6.


That's why I respect the Spurs fan base.

ripthekik
09-21-2013, 12:15 AM
That's why I respect the Spurs fan base.
shut up. how does it feel that your hero can never win a ring without an multi-all star supporting cast, and he still needed a 3 from ray allen to save his career.

if that had not happen, lebron would be world famous for being a choker and loser right now.

aj1987
09-21-2013, 01:26 AM
shut up. how does it feel that your hero can never win a ring without an multi-all star supporting cast, and he still needed a 3 from ray allen to save his career.

if that had not happen, lebron would be world famous for being a choker and loser right now.
And he's still better than Kobe. How does THAT feel?

Lebron23
09-21-2013, 01:31 AM
shut up. how does it feel that your hero can never win a ring without an multi-all star supporting cast, and he still needed a 3 from ray allen to save his career.

if that had not happen, lebron would be world famous for being a choker and loser right now.


Long time no see. You rarely post in this forum since Leking won back to back titles.

TheMilkyBarKid
09-21-2013, 01:51 AM
shut up. how does it feel that your hero can never win a ring without an multi-all star supporting cast, and he still needed a 3 from ray allen to save his career.

if that had not happen, lebron would be world famous for being a choker and loser right now.
Lol how bitter is this guy!

SacJB Shady
09-21-2013, 04:03 AM
I never noticed the travel on that play.. Interesting..

Fresh Kid
09-21-2013, 10:52 AM
shut up. how does it feel that your hero can never win a ring without an multi-all star supporting cast, and he still needed a 3 from ray allen to save his career.

if that had not happen, lebron would be world famous for being a choker and loser right now.
:oldlol: :applause: :oldlol:

Meticode
09-21-2013, 12:22 PM
It's not a travel. If Allen would've taken one more step or moved his left foot after gathering the ball it would've been. But from what I can tell he catches the ball while almost having both feet off the ground for a slight millisecond. His right foot touches the ground, he steps back with his left foot (keeps that on teh ground), puts his right foot next to it to gather for the jumper and takes the shot.

Rick Barry is wrong.

Meticode
09-21-2013, 12:25 PM
Spurs fan here


The Heat won fair and square.

Pop cost his team the NBA title in G6.
Your post contradicts itself. You say the Heat won fair and square, but you give the excuse the Spurs lost because of Pop. Basically saying if Pop made a difference choice they would've won.

To me the Heat one fair and square, both teams played up to their ability and the Heat came out on team. End of story and no excuses or blame.

Owl
09-21-2013, 12:56 PM
Your post contradicts itself. You say the Heat won fair and square, but you give the excuse the Spurs lost because of Pop. Basically saying if Pop made a difference choice they would've won.

To me the Heat one fair and square, both teams played up to their ability and the Heat came out on team. End of story and no excuses or blame.
It doesn't. Pop is part of the Spurs. Feeling that you could (or even should) have won if different decisions were made (by players or coaches) can be entirely consistent with feeling that the other team won cleanly (i.e. no ref favoritism, conscious or otherwise).

DaSeba5
09-21-2013, 03:10 PM
Spurs fan here


The Heat won fair and square.

Pop cost his team the NBA title in G6.

I love Spurs fans. Always classy.

NBASTATMAN
09-21-2013, 04:43 PM
THAT SHOT HAS TO BE STINGING THE HATERZZZZ.... :roll: :roll: :roll:




Its only a game :rockon:

La Frescobaldi
09-21-2013, 07:52 PM
Rick Barry in the ABA:
"just get me the ball off the curl and it's going in." swish.
"double screen left and I'm going right." swish.
"nobody on that team can stop me. Just get it inbounds and we win." swish.
"I'm going through the paint, get the ball high to me and its goin' in." swish.

He would yell it right out on the court sometimes did not even matter. Same way in the NBA. He was Bird-like in the way literally nobody could stop him from scoring just whenever he pleased.

Meticode
09-21-2013, 08:31 PM
It doesn't. Pop is part of the Spurs. Feeling that you could (or even should) have won if different decisions were made (by players or coaches) can be entirely consistent with feeling that the other team won cleanly (i.e. no ref favoritism, conscious or otherwise).
I just feel like it's saying "The Heat won because Pop didn't coach to the best of his ability."

HoopsFanNumero1
09-21-2013, 10:37 PM
I just feel like it's saying "The Heat won because Pop didn't coach to the best of his ability."

I think you're just arguing semantics here. When he said the Heat won it fair and square, he probably meant that the refs had nothing to do with it.

The_Yearning
09-21-2013, 11:20 PM
Rick Barry is that dude

Owl
09-22-2013, 05:29 AM
I just feel like it's saying "The Heat won because Pop didn't coach to the best of his ability."
Maybe, but that's not incompatible with a clean win.

I think you're looking at it as though it's an excuse, and thus a suggestion that the win is tainted. It's just an explaining factor.

It's pefectly possible to believe that the best team, the team that (the person believes) "should" have won, didn't win and it's still a clean victory for the victors because they were the better team on the day(s).

e.g. 2011 finals Heat, on paper, and over the season, better than Dallas. But they lost to them. Cleanly.

Personally I think it's too harsh to put the blame on Pop because of the following linked points:
(a) without him they wouldn't have been there up 3-2
(b) as before too many people are looking at the final 30 seconds, as though the score and players and coaches performances up to that point mean nothing to the outcome of games.
(c) we want one person to blame when ulimately the responsibility for a teams performance is collective. Yes we can say X didn't play up to their standards, but players often don't play up to their standards, the teams still can and do win.

JellyBean
09-22-2013, 06:31 AM
Rick is a moron. Ray Allen has been doing this move since his UConn days, probably before that! Ray did not travel and the Heat's win is legit

postmupndunkit
09-22-2013, 12:54 PM
I hate the heat, BUT........

Allen didn't travel, he was in motion on the catch, took 2 steps back and shot the ball. Without slo-mo it's questionable, but with it, no doubt in my mind as a BULLS FAN... it was a legit shot by Allen, no travelling, good no call by the refs.

Meticode
09-22-2013, 12:59 PM
Looking at that shot still stings. I wanted the Heat to fail to disprove the Big 3 Theory, but obviously it's working for them.

EllEffEll
09-22-2013, 03:22 PM
Spurs fan here


The Heat won fair and square.

Pop cost his team the NBA title in G6.

This, except I'm not a Spurs fan. Well, I wanted them to win this game/title, but only because they kicked the Laker's butts to get there.

Pops should have had Duncan in the game. He is the best coach in the game today, but he porked the pooch on that play.

You play the game and let the refs call it. You can disagree, but in the end, you have to accept it. I've seen tons of calls/no-calls that could get me steamed, but this wasn't one of them.

The Heat are the legit 2012/2013 NBA Champs. Tastes like butt to say it, but they earned it :pimp: