18 were shot within 4 hours

[Bigsmoke]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#story/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-sept-19-to-20-4-shot-on-south-side-20130919/

[Patrick Chewing]

Where Al Sharpton at???

[Knicks101]

Best city to live at.

[bagelred]

This is clearly all George Zimmerman's fault.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Where Al Sharpton at???


Hopefully among the victims

[Hazard]

Wow how did I know this was Chicago.

[tomtucker]

"At least 18 people were shot, one fatally"


only one dead :biggums: very poor shots

[Bigsmoke]

"At least 18 people were shot, one fatally"


only one dead :biggums: very poor shots
There is a god

[kNicKz]

Make guns in Chicago illegal



oh....shit

[gts]

3 year old among them. Shot in the head.

[Rasheed1]

Where Al Sharpton at???

Actually... Al Sharpton spends alot of time in Chicago dealing with these issues..

But that doesnt matter to people who whine about him all the time.. Patrick Chewing and starface dont actually care where Sharpton is or what he is doing..

They just like to whine about him and be ignorant..

The real question is where's Bill Oracist Reilly and fat bigot Rush Limbaugh :oldlol:

[OldSkoolball#52]

Actually... Al Sharpton spends alot of time in Chicago dealing with these issues..

But that doesnt matter to people who whine about him all the time.. Patrick Chewing and starface dont actually care where Sharpton is or what he is doing..

They just like to whine about him and be ignorant..

The real question is where's Bill Oracist Reilly and fat bigot Rush Limbaugh :oldlol:


Probably withdrawin a million dollars from an atm somewhere


U mad?

[Rasheed1]

Probably withdrawin a million dollars from an atm somewhere


U mad?


:oldlol: you cant withdraw a million dollars from atm... retarded..

they are more likely depositing a million dollars they earned from playing the race card

[yobore]

The real question is where's Bill Oracist Reilly and fat bigot Rush Limbaugh :oldlol:
Don't know but their minions are all over the internet asking "where's Sharpton" on articles about these incidents. Don't care for Sharpton at all, but it's sad that the first instinct Limbaugh listeners have is to turn it into a racial issue.

[kNicKz]

ISH challenge:

find a thread with the word "race" in it that doesn't have rasheed1 posting in it

[-p.tiddy-]

3 year old among them. Shot in the head.
he is alive and stable though...thank god

says he will need reconstructive plastic surgery on his face though...

[Rasheed1]

ISH challenge:

find a thread with the word "race" in it that doesn't have rasheed1 posting in it

You are the most butthurt of all trolls.. :lol Its makes you mad when I come through slap the idiots..

:cheers: go on & grit your teeth, but you cant do anything more than that..

here's a challenge for you.. find the last time I replied on a race topic and you didnt catch feelings and whine about it..

I dont start these topics, I just end them.

[kNicKz]

I found a picture of rasheed1

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1AeaUfWCm1U/Ss14LdHl2KI/AAAAAAAAADA/RIGDhJug7Ew/s320/vlcsnap-410621.png

[Rasheed1]

I found a picture of rasheed1

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/YouAreWhatYouHate_3255.pngp


its not showing..idiot :oldlol:

stay butthurt..

[kNicKz]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/tumblr_llax2rbRRS1qg87cc.gif

Challenge is still on ISH , good luck . Find a thread without the man consumed by racial insecurity

[Rasheed1]

for all the people who constantly wonder where Al Sharpton is but can never seem to find out?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/21087931-452/al-sharpton-aims-to-spotlight-gun-violence-here.html

http://www.policymic.com/articles/55073/gun-control-debate-2013-sharpton-sets-up-shop-in-chicago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/al-sharpton-chicago_n_3530152.html

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2013/07/al-sharpton-to-move-to-chicago-to-address-gun-violence/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/30/sharpton-to-do-anti-violence-work-in-chicago/


Now you know where he is.. :cheers:

[OldSkoolball#52]

Don't know but their minions are all over the internet asking "where's Sharpton" on articles about these incidents. Don't care for Sharpton at all, but it's sad that the first instinct Limbaugh listeners have is to turn it into a racial issue.


Thats exactly what Shaprton does whenever it suits his agenda.

Which is why people always jokingly ask where he is now, when the same situations dont suit his selfish agenda.

Did somethin that obvious go over ur head bro?

[kNicKz]

for all the people who constantly wonder where Al Sharpton is but can never seem to find out?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/21087931-452/al-sharpton-aims-to-spotlight-gun-violence-here.html

http://www.policymic.com/articles/55073/gun-control-debate-2013-sharpton-sets-up-shop-in-chicago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/al-sharpton-chicago_n_3530152.html

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2013/07/al-sharpton-to-move-to-chicago-to-address-gun-violence/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/30/sharpton-to-do-anti-violence-work-in-chicago/


Now you know where he is.. :cheers:

Is he in Crown Heights?

[Rasheed1]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/tumblr_llax2rbRRS1qg87cc.gif

Challenge is still on ISH , good luck . Find a thread without the man consumed by racial insecurity


translation = http://f1.pepst.com/c/BBD3C1/3796/ssc3/home/001/msg.for.anamika/crying_boy.gif_480_480_0_64000_0_1_0.gif

Damn Rasheed for commenting on race :cry:


Is he in Crown Heights?

^the links are posted for you to READ idiot.. :cheers:

[GOBB]

Rasheed just went around the thread and stuffed kids in lockers. Now he is eating their lunch as he passes me one of the kids lunch. Turkey and cheese on wheat. Plain potato chips. Apple Juice. Yum :cheers:

[kNicKz]

It's just hilarious that you actually think you aren't viewed as a completely ignorant racist . I'll leave ya alone though...apparently you didn't get the memo that there is no such thing as race. Continue on the path of Social Darwinism. Divide and conquer has never been so easy

[JtotheIzzo]

America NEEDS to deal with its gun issues.

I think if people were reminded about the gun deaths the way they were about deaths in Iraq everyday, public opinion would sway.

OH WAIT, public opinion has swayed, its simply lobbyists like the NRA are forcing this on a lot of people.

Look at this shit, this is the future of America. F*cking embarassing, like a goddamn warzone. I want to punch these people in the face so badly, but they'd probably shoot me...:(

http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

[Rasheed1]

Rasheed just went around the thread and stuffed kids in lockers. Now he is eating their lunch as he passes me one of the kids lunch. Turkey and cheese on wheat. Plain potato chips. Apple Juice. Yum :cheers:


:cheers: what did the gooch say? You better bring 2 lunches tomorrow kid .. GRRRRRR :mad:

[-p.tiddy-]

America NEEDS to deal with its gun issues.

I think if people were reminded about the gun deaths the way they were about deaths in Iraq everyday, public opinion would sway.

OH WAIT, public opinion has swayed, its simply lobbyists like the NRA are forcing this on a lot of people.

Look at this shit, this is the future of America. F*cking embarassing, like a goddamn warzone. I want to punch these people in the face so badly, but they'd probably shoot me...:(

http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

the people in these photos really do not scare me at all...well perhaps the dude in the internet cafe

these aren't gang members though...these are clearly legal gun owners, and likely responsible gun owners

the gang members that mowed down that basketball court I am sure aquired their guns illegally...

[JtotheIzzo]

the people in these photos really do not scare me at all...well perhaps the dude in the internet cafe

these aren't gang members though...these are clearly legal gun owners, and likely responsible gun owners

the gang members that mowed down that basketball court I am sure aquired their guns illegally...


No one is scared by these clowns, especially the dude at the Apple Store (Mrs Menopause tits, she might lose it one day), to me they just annoy the piss out of me and are a remind of how simple, sheep-like and ignorant people are.

F*ck them.

[-p.tiddy-]

No one is scared by these clowns, especially the dude at the Apple Store (Mrs Menopause tits, she might lose it one day), to me they just annoy the piss out of me and are a remind of how simple, sheep-like and ignorant people are.

F*ck them.
they are sheep like because they are legal gun owners and aren't scared to let everyone know it?

no...you posted examples of the responsible ones


http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/2rifle.jpg

^^^ there...THAT is the "simple, sheep-like and ignorant person"

[JtotheIzzo]

they are sheep like because they are legal gun owners and aren't scared to let everyone know it?

no...you posted examples of the responsible ones


http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/2rifle.jpg

^^^ there...THAT is the "simple, sheep-like and ignorant person"

yeah, gangsters are bad news, and misguided, no argument here.

but taking your automatic or semi-automatic assault rifle to the Apple Store or Whataburger is ridiculous.

[-p.tiddy-]

yeah, gangsters are bad news, and misguided, no argument here.

but taking your automatic or semi-automatic assault rifle to the Apple Store or Whataburger is ridiculous.
yeah probably...

[Droid101]

these aren't gang members though...these are clearly legal gun owners, and likely responsible gun owners

LOL Responsible. Open carry is irresponsible in this day and age.

Screw it. I'll just "stand my ground" against them. They were threatening me, and they had a gun!

[MavsSuperFan]

Where Al Sharpton at???
:rolleyes:
Sharpton advocates for black people that are victims of white discrimination.

Its like asking why an environmental activist isnt actively against the iraq war.
Its like asking why a gay rights activist isnt actively fighting for the rights of teh uninsured.
Its like asking why a women's rights activist isnt fighting for animal rights.
etc.

Just because he is less active in dealing with black on black violence does not discredit his positions on white discrimination against blacks. I am not his biggest fan and I think he aggravates race relations unnecessarily (eg. when he falsely accused those white duke lacrosse players of raping the black lady. Because of his accusations many people today still wrongly believe the black lady was raped.)

But this is a stupid reason to attack him. He should be attacked for not making it clear he was wrong about the lacrosse players.


America NEEDS to deal with its gun issues.

I think if people were reminded about the gun deaths the way they were about deaths in Iraq everyday, public opinion would sway.

OH WAIT, public opinion has swayed, its simply lobbyists like the NRA are forcing this on a lot of people.

Look at this shit, this is the future of America. F*cking embarassing, like a goddamn warzone. I want to punch these people in the face so badly, but they'd probably shoot me...:(

http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

Maybe its your desire to punch people in the face, because they do something you disagree with, that causes them to feel the need to carry weapons? Have you ever considered that?

Personally I am anti gun. I think I am the only person in my family that is anti gun. I wish we lived in a country like japan, where violent crimes are extremely rare.

But I am also a believer in the constitution. The second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. The only way to remove the right to bear arms is to amend the constitution imo. I personally dream that it would happen, but a constitutional amendment seems impossible. It would take:

66% of the house and 66% of the senate to support it. this is impossible
and 75% of the state legislatures have to approve the amendment. (even more impossible)

The point is the 2nd amendment is in the constitution. We cant pick and choose which amendments we want to follow, that sets a horrible and dangerous precedent.

I know some liberals like to argue that the founding fathers didn't know we would have assault rifles and machine guns, but this is a stupid argument.

1. The founding fathers knew that weapon technology improves over time. Eg. Hand to hand < wooden clubs < stone clubs< bronze weapons < iron weapons < steel weapons < muskets and etc.

Educated men such as these would have anticipated that weapons would improve over time.

2. Never is it mentioned that americans would have the right to bear muskets. The founding fathers choose to give Americans the right to bear arms. the definition of arms changes over time and the founding fathers knew this. at one time it meant swords and spears. by their time it meant muskets.

I think the most reasonable interpretation of their intent (based on readings of their ideas) is that they intended that citizens should have the right to bear infantry level weaponry.

3. Part of the intent of the 2nd amendment (especially in regards to thomas jefferson, who just for the record I am not a fan of and i consider somewhat crazy) was that the citizenry should have the ability to challenge the government in organized militias. The idea was that the people should at a minimum maintain the ability to overthrow the government of the united states if it became tyrannical. (the tree of liberty needs to be watered by the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time). Obviously this is impossible as this would mean that people would need F-22s, M1 tanks, etc.

Further this is described as a right, not as a privilege. Meaning that the us government should provide the resources to the people allowing them to fight the US military on an equal footing. So it could be argued that we are already violating the intent of the 2nd amendment.

[yobore]

Thats exactly what Shaprton does whenever it suits his agenda.

Which is why people always jokingly ask where he is now, when the same situations dont suit his selfish agenda.

Did somethin that obvious go over ur head bro?
Do you not see how when the Limbaugh stans jump into any crime with a black perpetrator and start talking about Al Sharpton they lose any right to complain about people using the "race card"? They complain about everything being about race and then do the exact same thing.

[OldSkoolball#52]

.


http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.


I got no problem with handgun open carry. Automatics have no place in public whatsoever. Theyre called 'assault' weapons for a reason, not 'defense' weapons.

But prime is right. The issue America doesnt wanna tackle is everyday gun violence. Far left libtards want to take on guns because they can lecture "dumb republican rednecks and the nra grrrrr" that they hate and it gets their pretentious metropolitan jollies. They wont touch gun violence because that is perpetrated overwhelmingly by black people. Dem politicians wont touch it because if theyre perceived as insensitive their career is over. And of course because the Democrati politicians dont touch it, average liberal fugazi intellectual wannabe hipster sheep wont touch it either. They just battle guns in general so they can fight those meanie republican jerks, instead of having to question or criticise a subculture of a minority group.


"This is why we cant have nice things"

Soft liberal f@gs as usual are too scared and pussee to say openly and bluntly why we cant have nice things. Even tho everybody knows. Silly insecure cowards.

[LJJ]

ISH challenge:

find a thread with the word "race" in it that doesn't have rasheed1 posting in it

God dayum that's cold!

[longhornfan1234]

America NEEDS to deal with its gun issues.

I think if people were reminded about the gun deaths the way they were about deaths in Iraq everyday, public opinion would sway.

OH WAIT, public opinion has swayed, its simply lobbyists like the NRA are forcing this on a lot of people.

Look at this shit, this is the future of America. F*cking embarassing, like a goddamn warzone. I want to punch these people in the face so badly, but they'd probably shoot me...:(

http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

Wtf is this? I'm pro gun, but I don't support bringing an AR to an Apple store and Whataburger.

[OldSkoolball#52]

:rolleyes:
Sharpton advocates for black people that are victims of white discrimination.

Its like asking why an environmental activist isnt actively against the iraq war.
Its like asking why a gay rights activist isnt actively fighting for the rights of teh uninsured.
Its like asking why a women's rights activist isnt fighting for animal rights.
etc.

Just because he is less active in dealing with black on black violence does not discredit his positions on white discrimination against blacks. I am not his biggest fan and I think he aggravates race relations unnecessarily (eg. when he falsely accused those white duke lacrosse players of raping the black lady. Because of his accusations many people today still wrongly believe the black lady was raped.)

But this is a stupid reason to attack him. He should be attacked for not making it clear he was wrong about the lacrosse players.



Maybe its your desire to punch people in the face, because they do something you disagree with, that causes them to feel the need to carry weapons? Have you ever considered that?

Personally I am anti gun. I think I am the only person in my family that is anti gun. I wish we lived in a country like japan, where violent crimes are extremely rare.

But I am also a believer in the constitution. The second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. The only way to remove the right to bear arms is to amend the constitution imo. I personally dream that it would happen, but a constitutional amendment seems impossible. It would take:

66% of the house and 66% of the senate to support it. this is impossible
and 75% of the state legislatures have to approve the amendment. (even more impossible)

The point is the 2nd amendment is in the constitution. We cant pick and choose which amendments we want to follow, that sets a horrible and dangerous precedent.

I know some liberals like to argue that the founding fathers didn't know we would have assault rifles and machine guns, but this is a stupid argument.

1. The founding fathers knew that weapon technology improves over time. Eg. Hand to hand < wooden clubs < stone clubs< bronze weapons < iron weapons < steel weapons < muskets and etc.

Educated men such as these would have anticipated that weapons would improve over time.

2. Never is it mentioned that americans would have the right to bear muskets. The founding fathers choose to give Americans the right to bear arms. the definition of arms changes over time and the founding fathers knew this. at one time it meant swords and spears. by their time it meant muskets.

I think the most reasonable interpretation of their intent (based on readings of their ideas) is that they intended that citizens should have the right to bear infantry level weaponry.

3. Part of the intent of the 2nd amendment (especially in regards to thomas jefferson, who just for the record I am not a fan of and i consider somewhat crazy) was that the citizenry should have the ability to challenge the government in organized militias. The idea was that the people should at a minimum maintain the ability to overthrow the government of the united states if it became tyrannical. (the tree of liberty needs to be watered by the blood of patriots and tyrants from time to time). Obviously this is impossible as this would mean that people would need F-22s, M1 tanks, etc.

Further this is described as a right, not as a privilege. Meaning that the us government should provide the resources to the people allowing them to fight the US military on an equal footing. So it could be argued that we are already violating the intent of the 2nd amendment.


Post the demographics in Japan.




Ohhhh wait, lets ignore the issue of GANGS, VIOLENCE AND MURDER on our own soil because..... black people are the ones doing it and it just wouldnt be fair to them to bring it up. Remember, slavery happened before. Lifetime pass.


:ohwell:

[LJJ]

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy visiting Israel and I'm not excited to visit the US. It's off-putting to me to see people wear weapons out in the open.

[LJJ]

Post the demographics in Japan.




Ohhhh wait, lets ignore the issue of GANGS, VIOLENCE AND MURDER on our own soil because..... black people are the ones doing it and it just wouldnt be fair to them to bring it up. Remember, slavery happened before. Lifetime pass.


:ohwell:

Gang culture is big and very relevant in Japan. Educate yourself.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Gang culture is big and very relevant in Japan. Educate yourself.


And yet.... Gun violence is very rare.

Comprehend the discussion.

[LJJ]

And yet.... Gun violence is very rare.

Comprehend the discussion.

So? Don't imply there are no gangs in Japan when everybody in Japan knows about gangs. The gangs in Japan are very prevalent but the gangs in Japan killing uninvolved people is not an issue.

Also, when you exclude the murders comitted by black people in the US, the murder rate is still much higher than in Japan. Talk about a false comparison....

I guess white people are more violent than Japanese people also...

[OldSkoolball#52]

So? Don't imply there are no gangs in Japan when everybody in Japan knows about gangs. The gangs in Japan are very prevalent but the gangs in Japan killing uninvolved people is not an issue.

Also, when you exclude the murders comitted by black people in the US, the murder rate is still much higher than in Japan. Talk about a false comparison....

I guess white people are more violent than Japanese people also...


The ones in America are, no question. You are missing my point. Its not about assigning any race as more violent than another.

If the same gun violence being committed by blacks in America were committed by whites, it would get a lot more attention as a problem. Liberals ONLY stand up against this gun shit on the rare ocassions you get a white school shooter or a trayvon incident. Because they ONLY have the guts to criticize the big guy, the goliath. Corporations, white people, christians, the wealthy. They will not level EQUAL criticism at minority groups or historically persecuted groups, even when currently relevent or merited. NEVER EVER EVER.


Because they are OVER sensitive, and they convince themselves its intellectualism rather than hyper vag1nal oversensitivity which it really is. Theyre a buch of insecure, timid, emotionally dependent pooners who feel important when they stick up for the little guy. Im moderately conservative and I will stick up for the little guy too. The differece is I dont do it irrationally or excessively. If I did Id be a modern liberal.

[TheReal Kendall]

America NEEDS to deal with its gun issues.

I think if people were reminded about the gun deaths the way they were about deaths in Iraq everyday, public opinion would sway.

OH WAIT, public opinion has swayed, its simply lobbyists like the NRA are forcing this on a lot of people.

Look at this shit, this is the future of America. F*cking embarassing, like a goddamn warzone. I want to punch these people in the face so badly, but they'd probably shoot me...:(

http://i.imgur.com/4V1rikb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CzNKgYj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mnUAGtD.jpg

I bet those two f*cking jarheads are probably chomping at the bit, praying something goes array so they can open fire. In reality they are just slightly less messed up than actual real mass murderers.

:wtf: Is this the Wild Wild West? I don't see the point in carrying guns in public places like that

[OldSkoolball#52]

:wtf: Is this the Wild Wild West? I don't see the point in carrying guns in public places like that


Because sometimes crazy people use public places to be violent, or take hostages, or do something generaly stupid. People have been attacked and killed by drunken bums on the subway.

Why would you NOT want to protect yourself. People with this mindset really puzzle me.

[gts]

:wtf: Is this the Wild Wild West? I don't see the point in carrying guns in public places like that

Those pics have been around, it's been debunked, if my memory serves me correct

Top one is cops in a Ca. Target following a training exercise
The woman is a cop in Alaska and the Apple store one is either an Israeli soldier or one from Sweden who are required to carry their weapons even when off duty

Something like that, basically they are not everyday citizens carrying weapons

[JtotheIzzo]

Those pics have been around, it's been debunked, if my memory serves me correct

Top one is cops in a Ca. Target following a training exercise
The woman is a cop in Alaska and the Apple store one is either an Israeli soldier or one from Sweden who are required to carry their weapons even when off duty

Something like that, basically they are not everyday citizens carrying weapons

Good

Thanks for that.

I really have no issue with Granny tits and the handgun, but the two rifles is over the top.

[GOBB]

Because sometimes crazy people use public places to be violent, or take hostages, or do something generaly stupid. People have been attacked and killed by drunken bums on the subway.

Why would you NOT want to protect yourself. People with this mindset really puzzle me.

I don't know if I were to shoot up a apple store. I would notice the guy with the assault rifle on his back. He would be the first person Id disarm. But that's just me. And the need to have that on ur back has now rendered u useless as your post.


But gts explained the reasoning behind those photos.

[Balla_Status]

LOL Responsible. Open carry is irresponsible in this day and age.

Screw it. I'll just "stand my ground" against them. They were threatening me, and they had a gun!

Except open carry individuals on a regular basis defend themselves and stop harm. How is that irresponsible?

[Balla_Status]

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy visiting Israel and I'm not excited to visit the US. It's off-putting to me to see people wear weapons out in the open.

Just shows how ignorant you are and how much the international media brainwashes you. I lived in Texas for 20 years and never saw one person carrying a weapon like those pictures or saw someone open carrying.

It's only offputting to you because you don't understand and it's been driven into you to fear guns.

[ALBballer]

The story involves gang members, what makes you think gun laws would deal with this issue? The guns were probably bought on the black market.

[gts]

I don't know if I were to shoot up a apple store. I would notice the guy with the assault rifle on his back. He would be the first person Id disarm. But that's just me. And the need to have that on ur back has now rendered u useless as your post.


But gts explained the reasoning behind those photos.

If you notice the guy in the Apple store, no clip, gun's of no use at that moment.

[JtotheIzzo]

Just shows how ignorant you are and how much the international media brainwashes you. I lived in Texas for 20 years and never saw one person carrying a weapon like those pictures or saw someone open carrying.

It's only offputting to you because you don't understand and it's been driven into you to fear guns.


No its off putting.

I grew up in a house that had a rack of rifles on the wall in the downstairs living room and a lot of my family members are still avid hunters. For me, killing defenseless animals doesn't make me happy, but I don't condemn anyone who hunts.

HOWEVER

when I travel to countries like The Philippines or Sri Lanka and see 110 pound boys in uniform with massive automatic assault rifles protecting a busy street corner or running the metal detector at some shopping mall, it is unsettling. Or worse somewhere like Cambodia where guns lie around in the open all over the place.

they have real problems in those places and very little stability. The US isn't like that. The need to carry big 'f*ck off' weaponry is only feeding the ego of the owner, not really protecting them nor making the streets a safer place. The US is stable, there is no need for battle ready equipment.

That being said I have no problem with a holstered hand gun.

[MavsSuperFan]

No its off putting.

I grew up in a house that had a rack of rifles on the wall in the downstairs living room and a lot of my family members are still avid hunters. For me, killing defenseless animals doesn't make me happy, but I don't condemn anyone who hunts.

HOWEVER

when I travel to countries like The Philippines or Sri Lanka and see 110 pound boys in uniform with massive automatic assault rifles protecting a busy street corner or running the metal detector at some shopping mall, it is unsettling. Or worse somewhere like Cambodia where guns lie around in the open all over the place.

they have real problems in those places and very little stability. The US isn't like that. The need to carry big 'f*ck off' weaponry is only feeding the ego of the owner, not really protecting them nor making the streets a safer place. The US is stable, there is no need for battle ready equipment.

That being said I have no problem with a holstered hand gun.

i agree with you 90% of instances, but recent statistics about the southside of chicago have been disturbing.

[JtotheIzzo]

i agree with you 90% of instances, but recent statistics about the southside of chicago have been disturbing.

Yeah, fair enough, but walking around the Southside of Chicago in the most dangerous areas with an AR strapped to your back is still a bad idea. You are probably inviting more trouble.

I'd rather have a hand gun to be frank.

Most places aren't the Southside so things are skewing a bit to the overreaction side.

[gts]

Speaking of the Southside

The 3 year old is going to be fine. Sounds like he'll need a couple rounds of plastic surgery to clean him up but otherwise he's OK

[Rasheed1]

No its off putting....

The need to carry big 'f*ck off' weaponry is only feeding the ego of the owner, not really protecting them nor making the streets a safer place. The US is stable, there is no need for battle ready equipment.




this is the f*cking guy you are talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQakPtOQCJo

[Meticode]

People who carry guns in open public like that are asking to be shot at and disarmed if someone decides to go crazy.

This opens up a can of worms as well.

A lot of people who shoot up places are insane or pretty close to it. They are not going to care in the end who has a gun or not. For example the Alexis shooting. Dude went into his place of work where he KNEW there were security guards who has handguns and shot people anyway including them. And he seemed like a pretty normal person on his outer shell.

I think the last thing we need is someone shooting up a public place then a civilian getting in a shoot out with him in open public.

It's just more chaos to me and not more order.

When it's all said and done, humans have been killing themselves for years and years. It's never going to be stopped and it can only be controlled to a certain people or prevented. I personally feel giving ever dick, larry and moe that can pass background checks and get one legally isn't the answer.

[MavsSuperFan]

People who carry guns in open public like that are asking to be shot at and disarmed if someone decides to go crazy.

This opens up a can of worms as well.

A lot of people who shoot up places are insane or pretty close to it. They are not going to care in the end who has a gun or not. For example the Alexis shooting. Dude went into his place of work where he KNEW there were security guards who has handguns and shot people anyway including them. And he seemed like a pretty normal person on his outer shell.

I think the last thing we need is someone shooting up a public place then a civilian getting in a shoot out with him in open public.

It's just more chaos to me and not more order.

When it's all said and done, humans have been killing themselves for years and years. It's never going to be stopped and it can only be controlled to a certain people or prevented. I personally feel giving ever dick, larry and moe that can pass background checks and get one legally isn't the answer.

Personally I agree with you, but how do you deal with the fact that the 2nd amendment exists? Do you not agree with me the only way to legally limit guns is to amend the constitution?

Personally I dont want us to start picking and choosing which amendments to the constitution we follow. That could be a disaster. Most of the 27 amendments are great. It would be a tragedy if we set a precedent where we started to ignore the intent of the amendments. (I realize this is already happening, but its something I wish would stop)

what if someone wanted to weaken the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 13th, 14th, or 19th amendments?

[LJJ]

No its off putting.

I grew up in a house that had a rack of rifles on the wall in the downstairs living room and a lot of my family members are still avid hunters. For me, killing defenseless animals doesn't make me happy, but I don't condemn anyone who hunts.

HOWEVER

when I travel to countries like The Philippines or Sri Lanka and see 110 pound boys in uniform with massive automatic assault rifles protecting a busy street corner or running the metal detector at some shopping mall, it is unsettling. Or worse somewhere like Cambodia where guns lie around in the open all over the place.

they have real problems in those places and very little stability. The US isn't like that. The need to carry big 'f*ck off' weaponry is only feeding the ego of the owner, not really protecting them nor making the streets a safer place. The US is stable, there is no need for battle ready equipment.

That being said I have no problem with a holstered hand gun.

I think in bold that's the for me key there. I've been to places where people have guns, but it's somewhat reasonable they have guns. In Israel however I saw citizens lugging around full automatic weapons while living a charmed life and under no pressing threat whatsoever of having to use their weapon for defense.

Now I'm sure it's not quite as extreme in the US as it is in Israel, but attitude wise it's probably somewhat similar.

[JtotheIzzo]

Personally I agree with you, but how do you deal with the fact that the 2nd amendment exists? Do you not agree with me the only way to legally limit guns is to amend the constitution?

Personally I dont want us to start picking and choosing which amendments to the constitution we follow. That could be a disaster. Most of the 27 amendments are great. It would be a tragedy if we set a precedent where we started to ignore the intent of the amendments. (I realize this is already happening, but its something I wish would stop)

what if someone wanted to weaken the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 13th, 14th, or 19th amendments?

I think this is important, and I also feel that limiting privacy for the sake of safety is a big mistake. That is why I find the apathy towards 4th Amendment violations so troubling.

Teddy Roosevelt tried the same shit back in his day saying it was an age of steam not sail so we could no longer be safe from threats from abroad. But now we are bigger pu*ss*es... so because a few dune coons (sorry not meant to be racist just want to highlight the absurdity and felt this language achieved this most succinctly) hijacked a few planes people are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

You are either down with the constitution or you aren't.

'America' as an ideal doesn't work if there isn't a way for the people to take down the system.

Once the power is too much, it fails.

[MavsSuperFan]

I think this is important, and I also feel that limiting privacy for the sake of safety is a big mistake. That is why I find the apathy towards 4th Amendment violations so troubling.

Teddy Roosevelt tried the same shit back in his day saying it was an age of steam not sail so we could no longer be safe from threats from abroad. But now we are bigger pu*ss*es... so because a few dune coons (sorry not meant to be racist just want to highlight the absurdity and felt this language achieved this most succinctly) hijacked a few planes people are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

You are either down with the constitution or you aren't.

'America' as an ideal doesn't work if there isn't a way for the people to take down the system.

Once the power is too much, it fails.

I agree with you sentiments about respecting the constitution and how overall its one of the finest, most well intentioned political documents in human history.

One the problems I have is personally i would like to limit civilian ownership of assault rifles and machine guns, but if I am being intellectually honest, I have to admit that the intent of the second amendment (at a minimum) was to provide for the right of civilians to bear infantry level "arms".

At the most (Jeffersonian) extreme the intent of the second amendment was to provide the ultimate hedge against the federal government. The idea was that states and local militias should be able to oppose and overthrow a tyrannical federal government. If you gathered up every gun owner/militia group currently in america, I doubt they could handle a single battalion.