Why/how is this a 'weak' era?

[Connor B]

I don't understand this. It is usually just an empty description used by Lebron haters to demean his achievements. But how can anyone say this era is a weak, and especially this year?

Elite teams: Heat, Thunder, Grizzlies, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Knicks, Spurs, Bulls, Nets.

And then there's another 10 or so which are by no means bad teams like the Hawks, Nuggets, etc.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Because you suffer from weak erections

[KobesFinger]

Rule changes (no handchecking and 3 in the key), seemingly less physical play, multiple dominant perimeter players and a lack of quality big men.

[sportjames23]

I don't understand this. It is usually just an empty description used by Lebron haters to demean his achievements. But how can anyone say this era is a weak, and especially this year?

Elite teams: Heat, Thunder, Grizzlies, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Knicks, Spurs, Bulls, Nets.

And then there's another 10 or so which are by no means bad teams like the Hawks, Nuggets, etc.


Wut? Out of those "elite" teams, only two could be called elite in today's NBA--the Heat and Thunder. The rest either underperform (Clippers, Grizzlies, Knicks), are on the cusp (Bulls, Pacers), are unproven (Warriors, Rockets), or old (Spurs, Nets).

[poido123]

I don't understand this. It is usually just an empty description used by Lebron haters to demean his achievements. But how can anyone say this era is a weak, and especially this year?

Elite teams: Heat, Thunder, Grizzlies, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Knicks, Spurs, Bulls, Nets.

And then there's another 10 or so which are by no means bad teams like the Hawks, Nuggets, etc.

The last few years up til now? Weak.

This year onwards? A lot of strong teams and promising players coming through..

This year looks like one of the best years of good teams the NBA has seen in a long time..

With that said, injuries can affect the 'weak era' status very quickly.

[TheReturn]

I completely disagree with the notion that there's a lack of quality bigmen in the NBA nowadays.

[poido123]

I completely disagree with the notion that there's a lack of quality bigmen in the NBA nowadays.

Can you name more than 5 good centres in the league and that aren't injured? Ones who can realistically make the hall of fame..

Yes, there are a few promising ones coming through like Drummond and Davis, but the last few years before they came along there has been only a few.

[All Net]

The game has changedbut the league isnt weak as it stands now.

[TheReturn]

Just because guys like Noah, Hibbert, Bogut, Sanders, Chandler, or even Howard aren't used as much as post-up players, doesn't mean they're not quality centers.

[poido123]

Just because guys like Noah, Hibbert, Bogut, Sanders, Chandler, or even Howard aren't used as much as post-up players, doesn't mean they're not quality centers.

I can agree with that.

It's more the game has changed to suit perimeter play. Gone are the days where you dump it down low and let your big man go to work on more possessions..

In saying that, if you were to critique bigmen in general, you could say there is a lack of low post, back to the basket big men. Guys who have a killer post game with elite post moves and quick feet.

[mugiwara]

Its amazing that players are more likely to force shots on the perimeter then near the basket. Its also amazing that the Thunder are considered Elite.

[poido123]

Its amazing that players are more likely to force shots on the perimeter then near the basket. Its also amazing that the Thunder are considered Elite.

I agree the Thunder are a bit overrated.

Their inside play is near non-existent. IMO they will never win a championship until they get a low post guy to get some easy baskets and putbacks. Relying on mostly jumpshots and RW driving to the hole all the time is only going to get you so far.

That is my opinion, I know that won't go down well with some of the Thunder fans on here...

[mugiwara]

I agree the Thunder are a bit overrated.

Their inside play is near non-existent. IMO they will never win a championship until they get a low post guy to get some easy baskets and putbacks. Relying on mostly jumpshots and RW driving to the hole all the time is only going to get you so far.

That is my opinion, I know that won't go down well with some of the Thunder fans on here...

Totally agree. The coaches seemingly let KD and Westbrook do whatever they want, KD in my opinion should never play the facilitator. Run him off screens and he will get assists off of drop off passes, 'i check his stats almost everyday'. Fck Dat! become the ultimate scoring machine, its seemingly what you were born to do.

[NuggetsFan]

Game is pretty much made for guards/swingman nowadays. Really easy to get to the line if your a guy who's going to have the ball in your hands. Impossible to defense this athletic PG's and somebody like Durant when you can't use your hands and they call ticky tack fouls.

[To4]

you cant show emotions or trashtalk.. if you do, you get a Technical.. Weak..

[Nash]

The game is more skilled today. Being big and fat won't be enough these days. You have to be skilled.

[ripthekik]

Weak era but Lebron still needs an all star cast to help him win, and he barely does it, still need ray allen's 3 :roll: :roll:

[jzek]

Who are the top 50 all time candidates in this era?

Yeah, that's why this era is a weak era.

[andgar923]

Just because guys like Noah, Hibbert, Bogut, Sanders, Chandler, or even Howard aren't used as much as post-up players, doesn't mean they're not quality centers.
:biggums: :facepalm

[Nuff Said]

Weak era but Lebron still needs an all star cast to help him win, and he barely does it, still need ray allen's 3 :roll: :roll:

how effective would ray allen's three have been minus lebron's 20 some off points, including the three he made just before allen's?

[andgar923]

The only thing today's players can do better is put the ball on the floor, that's it.

They're inferior in almost every other aspect of the game.

One can argue that they're better 3pt shooters, but that may be due to their willingness to take more of those shots and not simply because they're better at it.

[senelcoolidge]

The game is more skilled today. Being big and fat won't be enough these days. You have to be skilled.

That's the problem. Most big men today are less skilled than big men of the past. For one big men used to stay longer in school, they came out of school more refined. Most big men today come out premature and develop in the pros which just reduces the quality of big man play.

[Eric Cartman]

The golden age of point guards in the NBA. The quickness and explosiveness of guys like Rose and Westbrook was something deemed incomprehensible in previous decades.

[Nastradamus]

The game is more skilled today. Being big and fat won't be enough these days. You have to be skilled.

This is by far the strongest era in the history of the NBA. Suggesting anything else is just silly. Its the natural evolution. More and more people become interested, more money is involved, motivating people to go towards the sport. Training and nutrition get better every day, kids start at a younger age etc etc.

[Nastradamus]

The golden age of point guards in the NBA. The quickness and explosiveness of guys like Rose and Westbrook was something deemed incomprehensible in previous decades.

For sure. I think not only are better athletes within basketball being steered towards PGs, but guys who used to be centerfielders, short stops and wide receivers are now looking at basketball more and more.

[Nastradamus]

Who are the top 50 all time candidates in this era?

Yeah, that's why this era is a weak era.

If you actually answered the question, you'd realize the opposite is true.

[andgar923]

The golden age of point guards in the NBA. The quickness and explosiveness of guys like Rose and Westbrook was something deemed incomprehensible in previous decades.

Golden age of pgs?

:facepalm

You mean shot jackers that can't even feed the post or run pick and rolls right?

Explosivness and quickness "deemed incomprehensible" in previous decades? are you f*ckin serious?

More like the rules allow them to explode.

Give other pgs from the past the same rules and they'll appear as explosive.

[jzek]

If you actually answered the question, you'd realize the opposite is true.

Go on, list the players from this era who will be included in the top 50 all time.

I'll start:

LeBron
Kobe
Duncan

*** I'm drawing blanks already. Can't include Shaq since his career started in like 1992.

Dirk? Maybe.

No Durant either since we don't know if he'll have a major injury which will stop his career.

Wade is not top 50.

I really want to know who the players from the current era will be included in the Top 50 when they change it in the next 50th anniversary.

[Jon_Koncak]

It isnt a weak era but how can anyone argue that bigs today suck donkey's ass compared to the past?

[plowking]

I thought handchecking wasn't allowed in this era?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg

How come every time Lebron gets into the paint in this video, there are hands all over him and no calls? Look at Rondo at 2:32ish...

Old, "back in my day" fans are the worst thing on this board. You're worse than the Lebron/Kobe/Durant fans.

[Eric Cartman]

Wade is not top 50.

Lay down the crack pipie, old timer.

[Nastradamus]

Go on, list the players from this era who will be included in the top 50 all time.

I'll start:

LeBron
Kobe
Duncan

*** I'm drawing blanks already. Can't include Shaq since his career started in like 1992.

Dirk? Nah. Close but not Top 50

No Durant either since we don't know if he'll have a major injury which will stop his career.

Wade is not top 50.

I really want to know who the players from the current era will be included in the Top 50 when they change it in the next 50th anniversary.

Well sure if you cancel out all the players who are legitimately top 50 and then ask me to name more, that makes it tough lol.

Dirk,Durant and Wade are easy ones. You never know with Durant or other younger players, but I'm not sure what you'd like me to do there. Of course I can't prove what will happen in the future.

Most likely the following will be included

Lebron,Wade,Paul,Dirk,Durant,Kobe,Duncan and Garnett are the easy ones. Guys like Pierce,Manu,Nash,Gasol,Parker and others are worth consideration and I consider guys like Kidd and Shaq part of this era. I'm really talking about post 2000 when I talk about this era.

[Nastradamus]

Golden age of pgs?

:facepalm

You mean shot jackers that can't even feed the post or run pick and rolls right?

Explosivness and quickness "deemed incomprehensible" in previous decades? are you f*ckin serious?

More like the rules allow them to explode.

Give other pgs from the past the same rules and they'll appear as explosive.

I'd like to be the one who shows you your first NBA game if you wouldn't mind giving me the honor.

[plowking]

Go on, list the players from this era who will be included in the top 50 all time.

I'll start:

LeBron
Kobe
Duncan

*** I'm drawing blanks already. Can't include Shaq since his career started in like 1992.

Dirk? Maybe.

No Durant either since we don't know if he'll have a major injury which will stop his career.

Wade is not top 50.

I really want to know who the players from the current era will be included in the Top 50 when they change it in the next 50th anniversary.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So Pippen, who is no where near as good as Wade, is somehow included in the top 50 of all time, but Wade isn't? :oldlol:
Wade is top 25 on most peoples list already.

Dirk, easily.
Durant is included, since he will most definitely make it. Chris Paul, as well as probably Rose. Plenty of players.

[andgar923]

I thought handchecking wasn't allowed in this era?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg

How come every time Lebron gets into the paint in this video, there are hands all over him and no calls? Look at Rondo at 2:32ish...

Old, "back in my day" fans are the worst thing on this board. You're worse than the Lebron/Kobe/Durant fans.
:rolleyes:

You think that's handchecking?

[plowking]

:rolleyes:

You think that's handchecking?

That is the definition of handchecking. :oldlol:

Let me guess, it was prison ball back in the day. No blood, no foul.

Fact is, in Jordan's day, the rule had changed that the hand was only allowed to be on the body, like what you see in the video. It wasn't allowed to impede progress to the basket. But, let me guess, it was much tougher handchecking back in Jordan's day? :oldlol:

You're one of the biggest idiots on here, so I don't expect a decent answer from you. I expect another vague comment with no substance and no informational value.

[TheReturn]

:rolleyes:

You think that's handchecking?
:facepalm

[KG215]

Go on, list the players from this era who will be included in the top 50 all time.

I'll start:

LeBron
Kobe
Duncan

*** I'm drawing blanks already. Can't include Shaq since his career started in like 1992.

Dirk? Maybe.

No Durant either since we don't know if he'll have a major injury which will stop his career.

Wade is not top 50.

I really want to know who the players from the current era will be included in the Top 50 when they change it in the next 50th anniversary.
Wade absolutely is top 50. So are Dirk and KG. If I ever did a list this big, I'd have all three in at least my top 30. Durant's probably already borderline top 50.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MANY if not ALL superstars' games from the 80's and 90's would translate today... but the league as a whole? Nah. Players and athletes today are simply better.

If there was ever a down point in talent, it would have to be in the late 90's. With expansion, there just wasn't a whole lot there.

[andgar923]

That is the definition of handchecking. :oldlol:

Let me guess, it was prison ball back in the day. No blood, no foul.

Fact is, in Jordan's day, the rule had changed that the hand was only allowed to be on the body, like what you see in the video. It wasn't allowed to impede progress to the basket. But, let me guess, it was much tougher handchecking back in Jordan's day? :oldlol:

You're one of the biggest idiots on here, so I don't expect a decent answer from you. I expect another vague comment with no substance and no informational value.

http://youtu.be/adusCcba89o?t=10m33s

Go finish sucking some d*ck.

[KG215]

Old, "back in my day" fans are the worst thing on this board. You're worse than the Lebron/Kobe/Durant fans.
Are you seriously putting Durant fans in the same class as Kobe and LeBron fans?

[Young X]

It's a weak era in terms of superstars/top 5 players IMO. People were seriously considering Tony Parker or Melo as top 5 players at one point. Compare that to 1990 where Isiah Thomas wasn't even making all NBA 3rd teams. The spots where people were ranking Melo or Parker in 2013 MVP voting were the same spots people were ranking Ewing and Robinson in 1990 MVP voting. SMH.

[plowking]

http://youtu.be/adusCcba89o?t=10m33s

Just finished sucking some d*ck.

Hmmm, so you can't show me what real handchecking looks like. :oldlol:

You just point to a random quote, completely unrelated to it. :oldlol:

[KG215]

It's a weak era in terms of superstars/top 5 players IMO. People were seriously considering Tony Parker or Melo as top 5 players at one point. Compare that to 1990 where Isiah Thomas wasn't even making all NBA 3rd teams. The spots where people were ranking Melo or Parker in 2013 MVP voting were the same spots people were ranking Ewing and Robinson in 1990 MVP voting. SMH.
Pretty much this. The only players that wold be top 5 in almost any given year in the past are LeBron and Durant. But after that you've got some players that should be top 10 or top 15 in the league that are considered top 5 or top 10.

There might be mmore quality depth in the top 25-50 players or whatever, but I feel like the top end/superstar talent is severely lacking right now.

[diamenz]

blatant flopping, lack of interior offense, 3pt jacking, sissy foul calls, forget weak era - i think the league has taken a big dip as a whole.

[CelticBaller]

Just because guys like Noah, Hibbert, Bogut, Sanders, Chandler, or even Howard aren't used as much as post-up players, doesn't mean they're not quality centers.
Most of them are one dimensional :facepalm

I say only Dwight would be considered good in the 90s :oldlol:

[SoCalLakersFan1]

To me its because it seems a lot of the older guys are still dominating their positions. Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG, Pierce, etc., are all still top-tier players and they're all several years removed from their prime.

Best thing about this new era is the ridiculous amount of good shooters.

[SCdac]

^ kind of what dude above me said, no prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, Pierce, Webber, J. O'Neal, and so on...

I wouldn't say it's made the league considerably weaker, but rather it's made the league very wide open and success is up for grabs. Sure the Heat are clearly the best, but they colluded and even they look vulnerable at times.

Any really strong team can win a championship now – we saw the Mavs do it and the Spurs with 37 yo Duncan come very close – whereas for most of the 1990s and 2000s championships were going to like 4-5 dominant franchises that had dominant HOF players leading them.

In 4 years (or less) its going to be just the Durant's, Lebrons, Griffins, and Roses, etc. It'll be a complete transition, with no players from a 1990-1999 draft in the league any more, and I think the league will continue to be wide-open as the powers shift and settle.

This season, I have the Heat winning, with the Thunder, Nets, and Spurs behind them.

[Dbrog]

I think the real problem is there arent many elite players coming into the league. I mean...really who is elite and young (under 25)?

Kyrie
Westbrook
Durant
Rose
Harden


I'm probably missing a couple but still. Durant and Kyrie are the only HOF potential players probably...though I'm not sure either can lead their team to a chip. That's the thing. Who's the era defining player that will lead teams to chips? I guess you could say Bron...though he spans 2 eras. That's VERY weak. Also no young bigs except maybe Davis and Drummond...and the jury is still out on them.

[Soundwave]

Honest truth -- I think basketball "matured" in the 1970s with greater college development of players, the more athletic style of play in the ABA, the widening of civil rights in the US, and by the 80s with Magic/Bird there hasn't been a "weak" era since.

The 60s and early part of the 70s were basketball was still developing as a sport and there wasn't great development or TV coverage and the amount of racism prior to the civil rights movement, things were really different back then IMO.

50s/60s was a weak era, 70s was a developmental decade, 80s/90s/2000/2010s are not weak eras.

You can't understate the important of TV broadcasting either, kids being able to watch and study every move Magic/Bird/Jordan made and the exposure that brings to a much larger audience means there's so many more kids growing up emulating those players.

I wouldn't be surprised if today there 4-5x as many people playing basketball worldwide as say the 1960s ... the talent pool has just broadened tremendously.

[TheReturn]

I think the real problem is there arent many elite players coming into the league. I mean...really who is elite and young (under 25)?

Kyrie
Westbrook
Durant
Rose
Harden


I'm probably missing a couple but still. Durant and Kyrie are the only HOF potential players probably...though I'm not sure either can lead their team to a chip. That's the thing. Who's the era defining player that will lead teams to chips? I guess you could say Bron...though he spans 2 eras. That's VERY weak. Also no young bigs except maybe Davis and Drummond...and the jury is still out on them.
How many MVPs ended up not being in the HOF?

[Legends66NBA7]

The game is more skilled today. Being big and fat won't be enough these days. You have to be skilled.

Can you tell me who your referring to ? You've said this the last time in another thread and you didn't even give an example.

Which fat guy ? Is it Barkley ? If so, you don't know what your talking about.

[aj1987]

Who are the top 50 all time candidates in this era?

Yeah, that's why this era is a weak era.
Is this even a serious question?

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Durant
Duncan
Garnett
Dirk
Nash
Iverson
Kidd
Pierce
CP3 (Possibly)
Dwight (Possibly)
Carmelo (Possibly)
Westbrook (Possible)

[poido123]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So Pippen, who is no where near as good as Wade, is somehow included in the top 50 of all time, but Wade isn't? :oldlol:
Wade is top 25 on most peoples list already.

Dirk, easily.
Durant is included, since he will most definitely make it. Chris Paul, as well as probably Rose. Plenty of players.

Think you farted in this post. Nowhere near as good? :lol

You are trying to clutch at players from a previous era, Shaq played his prime during the 90's mostly and crossed over to the early 2000's in his prime, that isn't even the last 10 years...I'll give you Dirk, but measuring exactly where you establish the era starting from is pretty important.

I see eras as more in a 5-8 year window, rather than 80's, 90's, 00's etc etc.

It is true though, there are not so many hall of famers to come out of this era from the last 10 years..

Have a look at the 90's, that should tell you the difference in talent.

[Miller for 3]

Lebron is essentially a poor man's Stacey Augmon, and he's called the best player in the league by casual fans/Illuminati media. That's why. Watch a game from the 60s-90s and you'll see about 7-8 players who would instantly be the best players in today's league

[poido123]

Is this even a serious question?

Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Durant
Duncan
Garnett
Dirk
Nash
Iverson
Kidd
Pierce
CP3 (Possibly)
Dwight (Possibly)
Carmelo (Possibly)
Westbrook (Possible)

A few of these crossed over from the 90's

This is where it's important to look at eras in a 5-8 year window, rather than 90's 00's etc.

[tmacattack33]

Honest truth -- I think basketball "matured" in the 1970s with greater college development of players, the more athletic style of play in the ABA, the widening of civil rights in the US, and by the 80s with Magic/Bird there hasn't been a "weak" era since.

The 60s and early part of the 70s were basketball was still developing as a sport and there wasn't great development or TV coverage and the amount of racism prior to the civil rights movement, things were really different back then IMO.

50s/60s was a weak era, 70s was a developmental decade, 80s/90s/2000/2010s are not weak eras.

You can't understate the important of TV broadcasting either, kids being able to watch and study every move Magic/Bird/Jordan made and the exposure that brings to a much larger audience means there's so many more kids growing up emulating those players.

I wouldn't be surprised if today there 4-5x as many people playing basketball worldwide as say the 1960s ... the talent pool has just broadened tremendously.

Good post. This isn't rocket science, but it seems some ppl don't even think about such simple sh*t sometimes and use common sense.

Early on the game was young and african americans weren't even fully involved in the game. So the 50s/60s/ and early 70's cannot be taken seriously for the simple fact that the game's most prominent race was not fully involved. Again, its not rocket science here.

And ever since the game got popular in the 80's and went worldwide in the 90's, the talent pool has just gotten bigger and bigger.

[aj1987]

A few of these crossed over from the 90's

This is where it's important to look at eras in a 5-8 year window, rather than 90's 00's etc.
Most of them were damn good from 2005-2011. Duncan, Pierce and KG are pretty good even (until the '13 season).
Forgot to add Rose, BTW (as much as I hate him, he's a damn good player).


It is true though, there are not so many hall of famers to come out of this era from the last 10 years..

Seriously? All the 15 guys I mentioned earlier are getting into the hall. Add:
Ral Allen
Ben Wallace
Gasol
Carter
Parker
Bosh
Ginobili
Rose
Billups (Possibly)
Yao
Rasheed (Possibly)
Rondo

That's 27 players who've had pretty solid seasons in the past 10 years. I'm talking about having MVP/All-Star level seasons.

If you're talking about players who entered the league in the past 10 years, who will end up in the HOF,
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Rose
Durant
Westbrook
Yao
Carmelo
Dwight
CP3
Rondo

Possible candidates, depending on how their careers end up:
Love
Harden
Griffin
P. George
Irving

So, NO! This era is most definitely not a "weak" era. Heck, place the '00's Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat ('06 and '11), etc. in any era and they'd still be championship level teams. They might not win the same number of titles, but they'd definitely be contenders. The Lakers, '04 Pistons and the Spurs might actually be good enough to actually beat the '90's Bulls.

[Rose'sACL]

A few of these crossed over from the 90's

This is where it's important to look at eras in a 5-8 year window, rather than 90's 00's etc.
all the players in that list played their prime years in 00s or are playing in their prime in 10s. Actually to add to those names, if rose stays healthy he will end up in the top 50 in most people's list given that he plays in a big market. People will always remember him if he plays like 2011 for another 8-9 years even if he doesn't win any rings. A lot of young PGs in the league right now might end up top 50 if they end up in a good team or if they play for a big market like LA, Boston, NY or chicago. all of them have superstar qualities.

[ILLsmak]

People half trolling with the weak era comments. Just like people say "it's a weak era for trolling." It's just a joke.

Mainly, I do agree that the past couple of years have been super weak due to injuries and such. This year is gonna be crazy. Even though the Heat are still the favorites (and they added some pieces), there are some other teams looking good, too.

The "weak era" to me was kind of like a re-settling of talent. Plus some freak seeming injuries.

-Smak

[poido123]

Most of them were damn good from 2005-2011. Duncan, Pierce and KG are pretty good even (until the '13 season).
Forgot to add Rose, BTW (as much as I hate him, he's a damn good player).


Seriously? All the 15 guys I mentioned earlier are getting into the hall. Add:
Ral Allen
Ben Wallace
Gasol
Carter
Parker
Bosh
Ginobili
Rose
Billups (Possibly)
Yao
Rasheed (Possibly)
Rondo

That's 27 players who've had pretty solid seasons in the past 10 years. I'm talking about having MVP/All-Star level seasons.

If you're talking about players who entered the league in the past 10 years, who will end up in the HOF,
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Rose
Durant
Westbrook
Yao
Carmelo
Dwight
CP3
Rondo

Possible candidates, depending on how their careers end up:
Love
Harden
Griffin
P. George
Irving

So, NO! This era is most definitely not a "weak" era. Heck, place the '00's Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat ('06 and '11), etc. in any era and they'd still be championship level teams. They might not win the same number of titles, but they'd definitely be contenders. The Lakers, '04 Pistons and the Spurs might actually be good enough to actually beat the '90's Bulls.


I do not consider the Iversons, Garnetts, Shaqs, to be of the same era as the Lebrons, Durants, Roses etc.

As I said, eras should be looked at in 5-8 year windows, not 10 year blocks. Actually 5-6 come to think of it.

[poido123]

Most of them were damn good from 2005-2011. Duncan, Pierce and KG are pretty good even (until the '13 season).
Forgot to add Rose, BTW (as much as I hate him, he's a damn good player).


Seriously? All the 15 guys I mentioned earlier are getting into the hall. Add:
Ral Allen
Ben Wallace
Gasol
Carter
Parker
Bosh
Ginobili
Rose
Billups (Possibly)
Yao
Rasheed (Possibly)
Rondo

That's 27 players who've had pretty solid seasons in the past 10 years. I'm talking about having MVP/All-Star level seasons.

If you're talking about players who entered the league in the past 10 years, who will end up in the HOF,
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Rose
Durant
Westbrook
Yao
Carmelo
Dwight
CP3
Rondo

Possible candidates, depending on how their careers end up:
Love
Harden
Griffin
P. George
Irving

So, NO! This era is most definitely not a "weak" era. Heck, place the '00's Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat ('06 and '11), etc. in any era and they'd still be championship level teams. They might not win the same number of titles, but they'd definitely be contenders. The Lakers, '04 Pistons and the Spurs might actually be good enough to actually beat the '90's Bulls.

Those 3 won't IMO.

This whole era thing can be twisted and turned in so many ways. One person's interpretation of what era a player belonged to is totally different to another. My feeling is, players like Duncan, Dirk, Iverson, Kobe, Shaq come from a different era to Lebron, Durant, Melo, CP3, Howard etc

[andgar923]

Hmmm, so you can't show me what real handchecking looks like. :oldlol:

You just point to a random quote, completely unrelated to it. :oldlol:

watch the rest of the video.

[aj1987]

Those 3 won't IMO.

This whole era thing can be twisted and turned in so many ways. One person's interpretation of what era a player belonged to is totally different to another. My feeling is, players like Duncan, Dirk, Iverson, Kobe, Shaq come from a different era to Lebron, Durant, Melo, CP3, Howard etc
Bosh and Westbrook won't make it? Bosh is a 2x champion and 8x All-Star already. People with worse resumes have made it into the HOF. Westbrook is young, but he's a definitely gonna make it if he can keep up his current level for play for another another 6-7 years.
As for Love, as I said, he might make it depending upon how his career turns out.

5-6 year block is an era? Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, Dirk, Shaq, Parker, etc. all won titles after the end of their eras.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Its not a weak era.

The culture of the NBA on and off the court is simply weak and it is not going to change.

There isn't really a lack of talented players. Besides the center position, which in comparison to roughly the late 80s to early 2000s is dismal at best. There are a TON of young budding superstars, and plenty of stars in their prime. And a ton more stars who are aging and almost done with epic careers.

The problem is what the NBA game and culture has evolved into. More about athleticism less about talent. Undisputable evidence of officials gambling and blatantly fixing games. Superstars teaming up to make a few top tier teams. Small market teams basically have zero chance of signing free agents, and an even smaller shot at actually competing for a championship.

College basketball is a much more "pure" and honest reflection of basketball.

[tontoz]

I completely disagree with the notion that there's a lack of quality bigmen in the NBA nowadays.


After Howard who are the other quality centers? 15-20 years ago there were guys like Hakeem/Drob/Ewing/Zo. Dikembe Mutombo would be the second best center in the league right now. Back then, not so much.

Back then there were Barkley/Malone who are better than any 4 now other than Duncan who is another old timer.

This era is strong for pgs, lousy for centers.

[2LeTTeRS]

After Howard who are the other quality centers? 15-20 years ago there were guys like Hakeem/Drob/Ewing/Zo. Dikembe Mutombo would be the second best center in the league right now. Back then, not so much.

Back then there were Barkley/Malone who are better than any 4 now other than Duncan who is another old timer.

This era is strong for pgs, lousy for centers.

Everyone always talks about the center and point guard positions, but always ignore how weak the crop at the 2-guard and at the 4 has been. Think about it, if you consider Tim Duncan a 5 and Melo and Bron 3s then who would you consider the best power forward last year?

[kamil]

Well last year was the easiest road to victory for LeBron imaginable, and yet he still suffered a 7 game series against Indiana and an old-ass Spurs team. Lets see;

Rondo, out. Granger, out. Rose, out. Bynum, out. Carmelo, injured. Westbrook, out. Kobe, out (and the rest of the Lakers team to boot.) And a slew of other all stars also either out for a large portion of the season or playing seriously gimped.

Weak era? You bet your fuggin' ass. All hail the mental midget GOAT, LeBron* James.

[tontoz]

Everyone always talks about the center and point guard positions, but always ignore how weak the crop at the 2-guard and at the 4 has been. Think about it, if you consider Tim Duncan a 5 and Melo and Bron 3s then who would you consider the best power forward last year?



Yeah the Barkley/Malone duo takes a dump on anyone now. KG and Dirk have been great but they are both old. I guess Love would be the best young 4.

At the 2 there is Kobe, Wade, Harden. Big dropoff after those 3. I still consider Lebron and Melo as 3s. The swingman position isn't very deep at either spot, but still better than the bigs.

[DuMa]

I hate comparing eras because its just impossible to do so on a realistic basis. Michael Jordan in his prime will never be able to face Lebron in his prime. its just useless talking about it but its the internet. If someone believes someone else is wrong, the internet is here for you to debate endlessly.

[Bandito]

After Howard who are the other quality centers? 15-20 years ago there were guys like Hakeem/Drob/Ewing/Zo. Dikembe Mutombo would be the second best center in the league right now. Back then, not so much.

Back then there were Barkley/Malone who are better than any 4 now other than Duncan who is another old timer.

This era is strong for pgs, lousy for centers.
Second best? Mutombo is better than Dwight by a lot.

[bdreason]

Top to bottom, the NBA has more talent than it ever has.


Arguing current great players vs. past great players is a different discussion.

[Shade8780]

Because you suffer from weak erections
This.