France defeats Lithuania to win Eurobasket 2013; Tony Parker MVP

[Grinder]

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A great tournament culminated in Les Bleus winning their first ever Eurobasket crown after finally getting past their arch rivals Spain in the semi-finals. Lithuania had defeated France earlier in the tournament but just looked flat today. Nicolas Batum and Boris Diaw had big games for France.

http://i.imgur.com/qkAwCgm.png


Tony Parker was named MVP of the tournament. Add this to the long list of accolades Tony has earned over his career. This should help make up for some of the disappointment of the NBA finals.

http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7BB35E4DE1-8697-462A-BCE7-D8ECB97148A1%7Dflexible.jpg

The all tournament team:
Goran Dragic
Tony Parker
Bojan Bogdanovic
Linas Kleiza
Marc Gasol


Gold: France
Silver: Lithuania
Bronze: Spain

[East_Stone_Ya]

Petro was crucial in the second quarter :applause:

[Euroleague]

A great tournament culminated in Les Bleus winning their first ever Eurobasket crown after finally getting past their arch rivals Spain in the semi-finals. Lithuania had defeated France earlier in the tournament but just looked flat today. Nicolas Batum and Boris Diaw had big games for France.

http://i.imgur.com/qkAwCgm.png


Tony Parker was named MVP of the tournament. Add this to the long list of accolades Tony has earned over his career. This should help make up for some of the disappointment of the NBA finals.

The all tournament team:
Goran Dragic
Tony Parker
Bojan Bogdanovic
Linas Kleiza
Marc Gasol


Gold: France
Silver: Lithuania
Bronze: Spain

Totally undeserved for Kleiza and Dragic, especially Dragic. Playing at home and you get 5th place and you get in the all tournament team? That's a serious joke and then some.

[Lebron23]

Guy is unstoppable in FIBA competition. He's now a first ballot hall of famer.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LMAO @ Eurobasket, TP didn't choke the way he did when LeBron put him in a straight jacket like game 6 and game 7 of the Finals? Taking his failures out on Lithuania in the insanely weak Eurobasket. No Shitnoulis on the all tournament team?

[Euroleague]

Guy is unstoppable in FIBA competition. He's now a first ballot hall of famer.

Yeah, I guess that's why he now has 1 FIBA championship, as compared to 3 NBA championships..................

[kNicKz]

He's now a first ballot hall of famer.


Location: LeBronville

we know what you're trying to do here

[Grinder]

I thought Rudy Fernandez should have been on the all tournament team instead of Bogdanovic or Dragic. Sergio Rodriguez really played well in this tournament too and opened the eyes of a lot of NBA fans who had forgotten about him.

Next year's World Cup in Spain is going to be awesome if teams bring their full rosters.

Spain:
Calderon - Rubio - Rodriguez
Navarro - Llull
Fernandez - San Emeterio
Pau - Claver
Marc - Ibaka - Rey

France:
Parker - Diot - Beaubois
Batum - De Colo
Gelabale - Fournier
Diaw - Seraphin
Noah - Ajin

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Grinder]I thought Rudy Fernandez should have been on the all tournament team instead of Bogdanovic or Dragic. Sergio Rodriguez really played well in this tournament too and opened the eyes of a lot of NBA fans who had forgotten about him.

Next year's World Cup in Spain is going to be awesome if teams bring their full rosters.

Spain:
Calderon - Rubio - Rodriguez
Navarro - Llull
Fernandez - San Emeterio
Pau - Claver
Marc - Ibaka - Rey

France:
Parker - Diot - Beaubois
Batum - De Colo
Gelabale - Fournier
Diaw - Seraphin
Noah - Ajin

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Won the championship that matters. :applause:

[All Net]

Congrats Parker and France..Parker is going to be very tired now though..pop needs to manage his minutes.

[Grinder]

ALL-EUROBASKET TEAM

Goran Dragic (Slovenia). Terrific guard that would be so much better with improved decision-making. He was Slovenia's best player – especially in the open court – but couldn't save his team from elimination against France. Too many hero shots in the biggest game. Still, the highly-motivated Suns guard put together a solid tournament.

Bojan Bogdanovic (Croatia). An all-around go-to scorer for Croatia that should have the Nets salivating. Looking more and more like a draft steal with that 31st pick in 2011.

Linas Kleiza (Lithuania). A bust in Toronto, Kleiza remains an effective player for Lithuania. It was team effort rather than individual play that took Lithuania to the championship game, but Kleiza's role was central – especially in the semifinal game vs. Croatia.

Marc Gasol (Spain). With his brother sitting out the Eurobasket, the Grizzlies center became the featured big man in Spain's offense. Although often a reluctant shooter, Gasol still led the Spaniards in scoring with 13.9 points per game, his best mark in a FIBA competition. Was unquestionably the best defensive player in the tournament.

HONORABLE MENTION
Mantas Kalnietis (Lithuania). Point guard play was supposed to be the main Lithuanian weakness, but ended up being a strength thanks to the brilliant performance of trigger-happy Kalnietis, who finished No. 1 in assists.

Boris Diaw (France). His high basketball IQ continues to be a huge asset for France. Was a playmaker for the team – to the point of finishing with more assists than Parker.

Alexis Ajinca (France). The former Maverick center filled in nicely for Joakim Noah at the center position. Was a threat offensively at times and made it very tough for France's opponents to finish at the rim with his freakish length. Still gets pushed around.

Nicolas Batum (France). Stepped up in the final after a no-show in the semis against Spain. His length and athleticism gave him an edge against most of the competition in Slovenia.

Sergio Rodriguez (Spain). In a point guard rotation that featured Wolves' Ricky Rubio and Mavs veteran Jose Manuel Calderon, it was the former Blazer who truly shined. Rodriguez came off the bench and often changed the game for the Spaniards with efficient scoring and playmaking. No longer a defensive liability, Rodriguez merits a second look by NBA teams. With two years left on his contract with Real Madrid, an NBA return looks like a long shot, though.

Rudy Fernandez (Spain). Cut down on the antics and performed better. A key two-way player for Spain that made up some for the absence of Juan Carlos Navarro.

Gigi Datome (Italy). Despite its disappointing finish, Italy was one of the feel-good stories in the tournament after years of bombing in FIBA competitions. Datome's play was one of the main reasons. The Pistons got themselves a high-energy forward with great shooting skills. Think of a poor man's Shawn Marion with way better shooting form.

Pooh Jeter (Ukraine). Hired gun that played within a team concept. Led his team in both scoring and assists and Ukraine surprisingly qualified for next year's World Cup.

Nenad Krstic (Serbia). Was destroyed by Marc Gasol in the quarter-finals game vs. Spain, but for the most part delivered and was a steady veteran presence for a Serbian team with an average age of 23.

Jeffery Taylor (Sweden). The Bobcats' sophomore guard took more than 25 percent of the shots of his team and ended with the best scoring average of the tournament.

Jan Vesely (Czech Republic). Looked like the player the Wizards drafted and not the one we've seen in the NBA. The body of work was limited, though, since the Czech Republic was eliminated after only five games.

http://bit.ly/1eAnzs1

[Euroleague]

HONORABLE MENTION
Mantas Kalnietis (Lithuania). Point guard play was supposed to be the main Lithuanian weakness, but ended up being a strength thanks to the brilliant performance of trigger-happy Kalnietis, who finished No. 1 in assists.

Boris Diaw (France). His high basketball IQ continues to be a huge asset for France. Was a playmaker for the team – to the point of finishing with more assists than Parker.

Alexis Ajinca (France). The former Maverick center filled in nicely for Joakim Noah at the center position. Was a threat offensively at times and made it very tough for France's opponents to finish at the rim with his freakish length. Still gets pushed around.

Nicolas Batum (France). Stepped up in the final after a no-show in the semis against Spain. His length and athleticism gave him an edge against most of the competition in Slovenia.

Sergio Rodriguez (Spain). In a point guard rotation that featured Wolves' Ricky Rubio and Mavs veteran Jose Manuel Calderon, it was the former Blazer who truly shined. Rodriguez came off the bench and often changed the game for the Spaniards with efficient scoring and playmaking. No longer a defensive liability, Rodriguez merits a second look by NBA teams. With two years left on his contract with Real Madrid, an NBA return looks like a long shot, though.

Rudy Fernandez (Spain). Cut down on the antics and performed better. A key two-way player for Spain that made up some for the absence of Juan Carlos Navarro.

Gigi Datome (Italy). Despite its disappointing finish, Italy was one of the feel-good stories in the tournament after years of bombing in FIBA competitions. Datome's play was one of the main reasons. The Pistons got themselves a high-energy forward with great shooting skills. Think of a poor man's Shawn Marion with way better shooting form.

Pooh Jeter (Ukraine). Hired gun that played within a team concept. Led his team in both scoring and assists and Ukraine surprisingly qualified for next year's World Cup.

Nenad Krstic (Serbia). Was destroyed by Marc Gasol in the quarter-finals game vs. Spain, but for the most part delivered and was a steady veteran presence for a Serbian team with an average age of 23.

Jeffery Taylor (Sweden). The Bobcats' sophomore guard took more than 25 percent of the shots of his team and ended with the best scoring average of the tournament.

Jan Vesely (Czech Republic). Looked like the player the Wizards drafted and not the one we've seen in the NBA. The body of work was limited, though, since the Czech Republic was eliminated after only five games.

That's not official. There has never been any honorable mention team at that tournament. That's just some blogger writing stuff.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Crazy thing is, Parker wasn't even going all-out. Going through the motions and still racked up an MVP.

[Rooster]

A great tournament culminated in Les Bleus winning their first ever Eurobasket crown after finally getting past their arch rivals Spain in the semi-finals. Lithuania had defeated France earlier in the tournament but just looked flat today. Nicolas Batum and Boris Diaw had big games for France.

http://i.imgur.com/qkAwCgm.png


Tony Parker was named MVP of the tournament. Add this to the long list of accolades Tony has earned over his career. This should help make up for some of the disappointment of the NBA finals.

The all tournament team:
Goran Dragic
Tony Parker
Bojan Bogdanovic
Linas Kleiza
Marc Gasol


Gold: France
Silver: Lithuania
Bronze: Spain

All Tournament Team=NBA Players:bowdown: :bowdown:

Bognadovic will be in NNA when he's ready

[Rooster]

http://bit.ly/1eAnzs1

A lot of NBA players.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Euroleague]

On which is more important, winning the FIBA EuroBasket, or winning the NBA championship:

"I will not trade it for anything. Pains, bruises, fatigue...I have won the NBA championship, but nothing can be compared to winning a title with your country."

[Euroleague]

A lot of NBA players.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

That list is made up idiot.

[Grinder]

Some pics:
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[Rooster]

Some pics:
http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7B3B068D59-75FC-4E0A-8080-D6E8A0F6FA9D%7Dflexible.jpg
http://www.fibaeurope.com/files/%7BB35E4DE1-8697-462A-BCE7-D8ECB97148A1%7Dflexible.jpg
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A lot of NBA players.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Grinder]

All Tournament Team=NBA Players:bowdown: :bowdown:

Bognadovic will be in NNA when he's ready

Dude's a stud, Brooklyn almost brought him over this year but his coach at Fenerbahce convinced him to stay. He can do it all on the offensive end; he'll be a great addition to the Nets once Pierce retires.

[Grinder]

In Lithuania after the game: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=612225908827884&set=o.110158392336669&type=2&theater

Gotta give it up to the Lithuanians. They love their basketball.

[sportjames23]

Damn, they beat the shit outta Lithuania. They took them and Spain out in consecutive games. LOL, I had it all wrong, but I'm man enough to admit that.

Tony Parker--best player in the world. :bowdown:

[Bandito]

The best pg of Europe plays in the NBA:roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

Guy is unstoppable in FIBA competition. He's now a first ballot hall of famer.

:facepalm Like he wasn't before right?

[CavaliersFTW]

Guy is unstoppable in FIBA competition. He's now a first ballot hall of famer.
Well, he's one of the few Europeans that was ever good enough to be a good solid NBA player, thus since he is NBA-caliber he's just steamrolling the rest of those soft unskilled Euros :oldlol:

I watched some highlights, his defenders looked like they were running through quicksand :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://bit.ly/1eAnzs1
"Pooh Jeter (Ukraine). Hired gun that played within a team concept. Led his team in both scoring and assists and Ukraine surprisingly qualified for next year's World Cup."

^---- :roll:

[bdreason]

Parker was actually just on vacation in France when Diaw texted him and asked if he wanted to play in some pickup tourney. It wasn't until the tourney was over and they gave him a medal and an MVP award that he realized people were actually trying. :bowdown:

[Sakkreth]

Regarding all tournament team, Dragic shouldn't be in it, he's there because Slovenia were the hosts. Kalnietis should of been in it, Kleiza's performance as a whole might not be worthy, but there is noone that stands out at pf, and Kleiza did score 22 in semis and 20 in finals after all (was quite bad till then). Gasol, Bogdanovic and Parker are obvious choices.

[Sakkreth]

http://bit.ly/1eAnzs1
Last line in Gasol section.
"Was unquestionably the best defensive player in the tournament."

Lol such bullshit.

[bdreason]

Last line in Gasol section.
"Was unquestionably the best defensive player in the tournament."

Lol such bullshit.


I only watched France play 2 games, but Batum was all over the place on defense.

[Dr.J4ever]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9710363/tony-parker-gets-big-hand-teammates-france-eurobasket-title

TP displays his leadership of this French team in the above article. Right after the overtime victory over Spain, TP tells Batum he(Batum) has to be "the Man" in the Gold Medal game. TP knew he would be exhausted, and Batum and Team France carries TP to the Gold Medal after TP carried them for years.

The NBA's best PG is now Eurobasket Champion. Good for him since the Spurs should have won over the Heat. The basketball gods side with TP this time around.

[DuMa]

very nice for the french national team to finally get a title to their always underachieving team.

though the national teams arent very much fun to watch in terms of basketball cohesiveness.

[Sakkreth]

I only watched France play 2 games, but Batum was all over the place on defense.

Yeah Batum was better, also I watched all of the Lithuania games, Maciulis was better, Seibutis was better, even Valanciunas within the minutes he got could be considered and that's from one team alone, even ajinca could be considered over him. Don't get me wrong Gasol plays good defence, but that line was complete bs.

[Sakkreth]

very nice for the french national team to finally get a title to their always underachieving team.

though the national teams arent very much fun to watch in terms of basketball cohesiveness.

Classic Lithuanian national teams were the best example of that, not so much anymore :(

[All Net]

Batum had to step up for how good he is he struggled in the semi final and he did.

[sportjames23]

Tony Parker Da GAWD!

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Fiba basketball]

Yeah Batum was better, also I watched all of the Lithuania games, Maciulis was better, Seibutis was better, even Valanciunas within the minutes he got could be considered and that's from one team alone, even ajinca could be considered over him. Don't get me wrong Gasol plays good defence, but that line was complete bs.
Valanciunas ? He got destroyed by Krstic so bad. Sorry but there's no way he played defense anywhere near as good as Gasol.

[Nash]

The NBA has what, 10% of the players in the tournament? Yet they have almost all the best performers.

[Sakkreth]

Valanciunas ? He got destroyed by Krstic so bad. Sorry but there's no way he played defense anywhere near as good as Gasol.

Yeah that's true if u compare defense vs Krstic, but overall Val had some really good defensive games.

[dr.hee]

Classic Lithuanian national teams were the best example of that, not so much anymore :(

Don't know that much about Lithuanian basketball...is it a matter of the players available or more about coaching? Still, that tiny country winning silver is pretty impressive. We have 80 million people in Germany, and Dirk still had to carry useless teams every single time. Things don't look as bad nowadays with a few promising players, but what Lithuania does year after year is just impressive.

Even though Lithuania didn't look like a team yesterday...we shouldn't underrate the talent level on team France. The NBA guys besides Parker weren't that great before, but on a good day ( which they had just in time for the gold game), this team is just individually superior to everybody but maybe Spain. Lithuania defended Parker well, but the plan really backfired. I thought they'd go a different route, letting Parker get his numbers and shutting everybody else down.

Don't know what to think of Kleiza...awesome shooting night, but the moment he was out, Lithuania had no offensive flow whatsoever. Roles were kinda reversed yesterday between France and Lithuania. One coherent team, and one squad playing hero ball, didn't expect that.

[Sakkreth]

Don't know that much about Lithuanian basketball...is it a matter of the players available or more about coaching? Still, that tiny country winning silver is pretty impressive. We have 80 million people in Germany, and Dirk still had to carry useless teams every single time. Things don't look as bad nowadays with a few promising players, but what Lithuania does year after year is just impressive.

Even though Lithuania didn't look like a team yesterday...we shouldn't underrate the talent level on team France. The NBA guys besides Parker weren't that great before, but on a good day ( which they had just in time for the gold game), this team is just individually superior to everybody but maybe Spain. Lithuania defended Parker well, but the plan really backfired. I thought they'd go a different route, letting Parker get his numbers and shutting everybody else down.

Don't know what to think of Kleiza...awesome shooting night, but the moment he was out, Lithuania had no offensive flow whatsoever. Roles were kinda reversed yesterday between France and Lithuania. One coherent team, and one squad playing hero ball, didn't expect that.

Combination of both. We used to have better guards, especially offensively and our coaches usually were not necessarily better, but atleast better offensive coaches. And even our big men usually used to be decent passers.

About taking Kleiza out of the game, thing is that in other games it wasn't a problem for someone else to pick that scoring up, thing is that everyone could score well on our team (maybe not Javtokas), but noone did after Kleiza got benched.

[vinvin01]

I can't believe how nobody mentions Florent Pietrus. This guy is France's best defensive player by far. He turned around the semifinale againt Spain, by turning on the defensive intensity.

Can't believe how he spent nearly all of his career as a bench player for teams that weren't relevant in Spain, and then was one of our best players on the national team nearly every year for the last 10 years. He's coming back to the French championship this year and it will be a pleasure to see him play every week

[Euroleague]

Dude's a stud, Brooklyn almost brought him over this year but his coach at Fenerbahce convinced him to stay. He can do it all on the offensive end; he'll be a great addition to the Nets once Pierce retires.

I really like Bogdanovic, but you overrate him, as you seem to insist on doing with every NBA draft pick that has not played in the NBA yet.

Bogdanovic cannot be useful in a team unless he is allowed to have total freedom, take the most shots, take any shot he wants, shoot at any time, etc.

He isn't the right guy for a team that "will use him off the ball to spread the floor", which is exactly what you and the NBA imagines for him.

He is a high volume shooter and he will either win you the game or lose you the game.

He's got way better basketball IQ and shot selection than Teletovic, so he can succeed, but he's not going to work as this spread the floor off the ball shooter that NBA is planning for him.

He needs the whole team offense working for him.

[Euroleague]

Yeah Batum was better, also I watched all of the Lithuania games, Maciulis was better, Seibutis was better, even Valanciunas within the minutes he got could be considered and that's from one team alone, even ajinca could be considered over him. Don't get me wrong Gasol plays good defence, but that line was complete bs.

Best defender of that tournament I saw was Vesely.

[Euroleague]

The NBA has what, 10% of the players in the tournament? Yet they have almost all the best performers.

Put down the meth pipe.

http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/cid_8Xfg3jZMG1QuJnp6pnUWd3.pageID_FGXd9ExbII-hQNQEBcgQi3.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2 013.html

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9710363/tony-parker-gets-big-hand-teammates-france-eurobasket-title

TP displays his leadership of this French team in the above article. Right after the overtime victory over Spain, TP tells Batum he(Batum) has to be "the Man" in the Gold Medal game. TP knew he would be exhausted, and Batum and Team France carries TP to the Gold Medal after TP carried them for years.

The NBA's best PG is now Eurobasket Champion. Good for him since the Spurs should have won over the Heat. The basketball gods side with TP this time around.

Just another NBA player dominating European teams. :pimp:

[Euroleague]

I can't believe how nobody mentions Florent Pietrus. This guy is France's best defensive player by far. He turned around the semifinale againt Spain, by turning on the defensive intensity.

Can't believe how he spent nearly all of his career as a bench player for teams that weren't relevant in Spain, and then was one of our best players on the national team nearly every year for the last 10 years. He's coming back to the French championship this year and it will be a pleasure to see him play every week

Well, he's a much better player than his brother, that spent years in the NBA. Which is more proof of how overrated the NBA is.

These NBA only fans would call him "Euro scrub" and his brother "legit NBA player". Yet he is much better than his brother, and his brother could no way in hell even make France's national team.

But of course he always manages to be in the "vastly superior NBA" somehow.

[Euroleague]

Just another NBA player dominating European teams. :pimp:


Tony Parker:

1 European championship

1 European MVP

3 NBA championships

1 NBA MVP


Just another European player that owns the NBA.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Tony Parker:

1 European championship

1 European MVP

3 NBA championships led by Tim Duncan

1 NBA Finals MVP

Fixed for clarity.


Just another European player that owns the NBA.

I wouldn't say he dominates the NBA. Guy is barely top 5 at his position. Over in Europe though? He can win tourney MVP's playing relaxed and passive. Reports say he didn't even take the tournament seriously, that it was "for fun".

[Fiba basketball]

Fixed for clarity.



I wouldn't say he dominates the NBA. Guy is barely top 5 at his position. Over in Europe though? He can win tourney MVP's playing relaxed and passive. Reports say he didn't even take the tournament seriously, that it was "for fun".

:lol

He ia arguably the best

[Euroleague]

Fixed for clarity.

Tony Parker:

1 European championship

1 European MVP

3 NBA championships led by Tim Duncan

1 NBA Finals MVP

I wouldn't say he dominates the NBA. Guy is barely top 5 at his position. Over in Europe though? He can win tourney MVP's playing relaxed and passive. Reports say he didn't even take the tournament seriously, that it was "for fun".

Parker was finals MVP in 2007, whether you like it or not. Duncan was not considered as the leader of that finals.


Yeah and this guy has the audacity to call others trolls...............

It's also been widely reported that Parker stated he never gave more than 30% effort in any NBA game.

[Eric Cartman]

It's also been widely reported that Parker stated he never gave more than 30% effort in any NBA game.

Homeless people screaming on the streets of Arkansas aren't credible sources.

[9512]

Congrats to France!

[Rooster]

Parker was finals MVP in 2007, whether you like it or not. Duncan was not considered as the leader of that finals.


Yeah and this guy has the audacity to call others trolls...............

It's also been widely reported that Parker stated he never gave more than 30% effort in any NBA game.

Tim Duncan is the end all be all of Spurs.:no:

He won a ring with Avery Johnson as the PG.:rolleyes:

Spanoulis was backup for Skip, Lucas and Head:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Nero Tulip]

Well, he's a much better player than his brother, that spent years in the NBA. Which is more proof of how overrated the NBA is.

These NBA only fans would call him "Euro scrub" and his brother "legit NBA player". Yet he is much better than his brother, and his brother could no way in hell even make France's national team.

But of course he always manages to be in the "vastly superior NBA" somehow.

I agree he's always been better than his brother. He's just the type of player that the NBA never wants, because he's undersized for his real position. Their loss though, I think he could have done good.

[All Net]

So how much rest will pop give his spurs trio now?

[andz]

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