View Full Version : So why is Polygamy Illegal?
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:14 AM
If all adults consent to the marriage then why not?
:coleman:
plowking
09-23-2013, 12:16 AM
Taxes, benefits, etc...
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:18 AM
Taxes, benefits, etc...
Eh I don't buy it. I think it has more to do with religion.
plowking
09-23-2013, 12:22 AM
Eh I don't buy it. I think it has more to do with religion.
I think the big reason for gay marriage taking so long was for those reasons honestly. As much as politicians want to make out like good god fearing folk, I don't think it matters nearly as much as what it all comes down to; money.
KevinNYC
09-23-2013, 12:24 AM
If all adults consent to the marriage then why not?
:coleman:
You're thinking of new fangled post-womens lib, polyamarous relationships. Old School polygamous relationships often didn't involve much consent.
In the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs), girls who were still children were married off to much older men and they didn't get much say in the matter.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:30 AM
You're thinking of new fangled post-womens lib, polyamarous relationships. Old School polygamous relationships often didn't involve much consent.
In the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs), girls who were still children were married off to much older men and they didn't get much say in the matter.
Well when I speak of marriage I'm not referring to a family giving away their 13 year old to the highest bidder either which is common in the Middle East. So ofc I'm using some modern interpretation of polygamy that involves consent from all parties because without consent there is no marriage to begin with.
Still I can't think of any good reasons why polygamy shouldn't be allowed. I think in terms of property rights it could be an issue or say child care. If Man has a kids with Woman 1, Woman 2 and Woman 3, is woman 2 responsible to take care of woman 1's child. And other law issues.
Still these issues could be solved.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:32 AM
I think the big reason for gay marriage taking so long was for those reasons honestly. As much as politicians want to make out like good god fearing folk, I don't think it matters nearly as much as what it all comes down to; money.
Eh tax breaks depend in the States. For, Estate and Gift taxation it is a bigger issue. For individual, there could be a marriage penalty (meaning if both people filed as individuals then they would pay less tax) depending on the situation.
The primary reason it is not allowed is due to perception towards homosexuality and religion which could be intertwined.
There is no reason why same-sex marriages shouldn't be allowed.
KevinNYC
09-23-2013, 12:34 AM
Well when I speak of marriage I'm not referring to a family giving away their 13 year old to the highest bidder either which is common in the Middle East. So ofc I'm using some modern interpretation of polygamy that involves consent from all parties because without consent there is no marriage to begin with.
Still I can't think of any good reasons why polygamy shouldn't be allowed. I think in terms of property rights it could be an issue or say child care. If Man has a kids with Woman 1, Woman 2 and Woman 3, is woman 2 responsible to take care of woman 1's child. And other law issues.
Still these issues could be solved.
Well that's the reason's the laws are on the books and no politician is going to argue for overturning them.
Is there any reason blue laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States) still exist?
iamgine
09-23-2013, 12:34 AM
Because polygamist societies are weaker thus should be prevented.
G-train
09-23-2013, 12:35 AM
Should a woman be allowed multiple husbands?
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:36 AM
Should a woman be allowed multiple husbands?
Sure.
ace23
09-23-2013, 12:37 AM
Should a woman be allowed multiple husbands?
That would fall under polygamy.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:37 AM
Well that's the reason's the laws are on the books and no politician is going to argue for overturning them.
Is there any reason blue laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States) still exist?
So you agree that polygamy is illegal due to religious reasons. Are you for or against it?
Maniak
09-23-2013, 12:38 AM
Eh I don't buy it. I think it has more to do with religion.
obvious agenda is obvious.
G-train
09-23-2013, 12:38 AM
Sure.
You aren't operating in the real world.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:39 AM
obvious agenda is obvious.
I would like to hear some practical reasons why polygamy should remain illegal.
G-train
09-23-2013, 12:40 AM
That would fall under polygamy.
Of course, but it would be incredibly rare.
Polygamy would only exist for men to fulfill selfish desires.
It would be detrimental to society.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:40 AM
You aren't operating in the real world.
Well I'm just stating it should be allowed legally. Whether it will practiced as much as Men with multiple wives is another matter.
ace23
09-23-2013, 12:41 AM
obvious agenda is obvious.
This too btw
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:41 AM
Of course, but it would be incredibly rare.
Polygamy would only exist for men to fulfill selfish desires.
It would be detrimental to society.
Why is it detrimental?
Maniak
09-23-2013, 12:41 AM
I would like to hear some practical reasons why polygamy should remain illegal.
no you wouldnt. you just want to bash religion.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:43 AM
no you wouldnt. you just want to bash religion.
Practical wasn't the right word. Anyways this is not a religion bashing thread. I would like to hear some non-religious reasons why polygamy should remain illegal.
KevinNYC
09-23-2013, 12:43 AM
So you agree that polygamy is illegal due to religious reasons. Are you for or against it?
I'm against just because the divorce cases would be nightmares.
G-train
09-23-2013, 12:44 AM
Why is it detrimental?
Think it through. Use you mind to imagine this in day to day life.
Obvious will be obvious.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:47 AM
I'm against just because the divorce cases would be nightmares.
Is there any proof that polygamous relationships result in higher % of divorce than single partner marriages? Regardless assuming your premise is true I don't think that is a good enough reason to not allow it.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:47 AM
Think it through. Use you mind to imagine this in day to day life.
Obvious will be obvious.
Ok i'm convinced.
:bowdown:
ace23
09-23-2013, 12:48 AM
Is there any proof that polygamous relationships result in higher % of divorce than single partner marriages? Regardless assuming your premise is true I don't think that is a good enough reason to not allow it.
He's not talking about the rate of divorce.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 12:50 AM
He's not talking about the rate of divorce.
You're right. It's late.
In that case, leave the divorce cases to the lawyers.
G-train
09-23-2013, 12:57 AM
Ok i'm convinced.
:bowdown:
Well it's hard to explain to you because by even considering this viable requires a limited intellect.
Plus it's obvious that you haven't even got one wife or you wouldn't have posed the question either.
ALBballer
09-23-2013, 01:18 AM
Well it's hard to explain to you because by even considering this viable requires a limited intellect.
Plus it's obvious that you haven't even got one wife or you wouldn't have posed the question either.
instead of resorting to ad-hominems, get to the ****ing point.
:rolleyes:
MavsSuperFan
09-23-2013, 01:20 AM
If all adults consent to the marriage then why not?
:coleman:
It should be legal. Consenting adults should be able to choose how they live.
Should a woman be allowed multiple husbands?
If every man in that relationship consents to it, who are we to deny them.
MavsSuperFan
09-23-2013, 01:24 AM
instead of resorting to ad-hominems, get to the ****ing point.
:rolleyes:
I agree here, I dont see the obvious problems with legalizing polygamy. Please explain it to us.
I think people like G-train are making the assumption it will become the standard.
This imo is wrong. I haven't had a single relationship where I would have been comfortable inviting another male into, nor the girl with inviting another female. imo Polygamy would be extremely rare, just like it is in cultures that allow it.
Some islamic countries still allow polygamy. Only the 1 male multiply female version. Only the uber rich men of society have more than 1 wife. most men in these society are forced to settle for one woman.
MadeFromDust
09-23-2013, 01:26 AM
And this is the slippery slope that the h0m0s have led us to with their unholy matrimony
MavsSuperFan
09-23-2013, 01:30 AM
And this is the slippery slope that the h0m0s have led us to with their unholy matrimony
Why does it hurt you to let gay people get married? you arent gay, they arent making gay marriage mandatory.
Why does it hurt you to allow people get in polygamous relationships? Personally I think its stupid, and jealousy will wreck it for 99.9% of people. But why does it affect you? and why do you care if other people ruin their lives?
People need to get out of other peoples businesses.
JEFFERSON MONEY
09-23-2013, 10:51 AM
Lol it ain't stopping anybody.
I know five dudes from Somalia who got 2 wives a piece and even the women see themselves as sisters.
Play on playa :rockon:
Polygamy is an excellent arrangement. On one hand, you have the rightful male leadership and can divy up the division of labor according to the wives' ages.
The older wife could be the mother hen; be responsible for bossing the younger wife around, and be the smarter, strong secondary income bringing, intellectual, seasoned lady; and the younger wife could be the energetic social connector bubbly personality type with the tight ass you can bounce a quarter off who would do more of the physical stuff for the kids. Fuarking hell I be so jealous of King Solomon and Montezuma so many times. You'd be surprised at how many women would be willing to share a man if he was cool enough. I thought they'd be mad until I deliberately pondered the question out loud... it can work with the right conditions. I mean hell normal monogamous marriage fails half to 3/4 of the time how often would polygamy steer course to all aboard the failboat?
They'd form a special bond too like a mentor-apprentice type deal. Have huge families Mormon style.
Had it not been at the detriment of other hardworking productive men then I'd be all for it. But unfortunately I can't turn my back on my brothers so I'mma have to agree with mavssuperfan and say yeah bro each dude gotta have one lady to sexually release and keep society spinnin otherwise we gonna have mad young poor schlubs jihading around.
Who knows? At the rise of the Metrosexual, homosexual, eunuch, and Japanese herbivore types and increasing amount of daughters; our society may resemble a Polygamous one. Good times ahead for those who have the willpower!
PS -
A wife having multiple husbands is PolyANDRY. It is seen in nature with certain birds. I'll find a link to a situation where there was a woman with a bald headed bearded guy she fukks and an older skinnier sentimental weaker guy who does all the chores and stuff.. Really fukked up but hey so is life.
InfiniteBaskets
09-23-2013, 10:55 AM
Aren't there already certain religious groups settled in the US that have a polygamy based society?
I imagine to them, their polygamous marriage is official, and they just don't care about the tax benefits etc...
I would agree with most other posters here, it's illegal due to a mix of religious beliefs and certain people not wanting to pay taxes / benefits towards polygamous couples.
There may be some negative attitude towards having a one man with multiple women or vice versa but I don't think there have been enough studies either way to confirm or contradict that effect on raising a child in that type of environment. Sure I'd guess it would probably be weird since I'd imagine a man having multiple women partners would also be relatively rich and the power dynamic of said relationship would be heavily in favor of the guy. It would also be strange to see what kind of relationship a kid were to have with the other women in the house who are not his mother.
I did meet a guy from Africa at my job one time who said his uncle had 3 or 4 wives and multiple kids from them. With all the history of polygamy in the middle east and other parts of the world, there's got to be some university study somewhere documenting this.
CarlosBoozer
09-23-2013, 10:57 AM
Government can't handle the amount of p*ssy some guys would get :bowdown:
InfiniteBaskets
09-23-2013, 11:42 AM
Wouldn't those same guys be doing the same thing without going through the hassle of marriage?
MavsSuperFan
09-23-2013, 11:54 AM
Wouldn't those same guys be doing the same thing without going through the hassle of marriage?
They would, or they would just cheat on their wives.
Polygamy is an excellent arrangement. On one hand, you have the rightful male leadership and can divy up the division of labor according to the wives' ages.
The older wife could be the mother hen; be responsible for bossing the younger wife around, and be the smarter, strong secondary income bringing, intellectual, seasoned lady; and the younger wife could be the energetic social connector bubbly personality type with the tight ass you can bounce a quarter off who would do more of the physical stuff for the kids. Fuarking hell I be so jealous of King Solomon and Montezuma so many times. You'd be surprised at how many women would be willing to share a man if he was cool enough. I thought they'd be mad until I deliberately pondered the question out loud... it can work with the right conditions. I mean hell normal monogamous marriage fails half to 3/4 of the time how often would polygamy steer course to all aboard the failboat?
They'd form a special bond too like a mentor-apprentice type deal. Have huge families Mormon style.
:biggums:
have you met women before?:lol
I wish what your were say were true though lol
I really see no problem with polygamous marriages. It doesn't hurt anybody. I also think marriage should be removed from state. Make domestic partnerships or something a legal thing, and marriages are separate. That way churches can celebrate however they want.
JEFFERSON MONEY
09-23-2013, 12:05 PM
They would, or they would just cheat on their wives.
:biggums:
have you met women before?:lol
I wish what your were say were true though lol
Don't be silly. You're better than that.
It's happened for thousands of years and it's happening right now. Young women would rather be a groupie for a big d!ck boss playah than a devoted wife to a loser or average man. BOOK IT.
And even wives with solid husbands fantasize about being the last lover of a celebrity.
All. The. Time.
And jealousy may hurt them, but they like it. For all intents and purposes, jealousy beats out boredom and stability.
It's dark but hypergamy was a necessary component of the animal instinct to survive. Just like us men's desire to dominate, kill, rape, and rule.
boozehound
09-23-2013, 12:11 PM
Lol it ain't stopping anybody.
I know five dudes from Somalia who got 2 wives a piece and even the women see themselves as sisters.
Play on playa :rockon:
Polygamy is an excellent arrangement. On one hand, you have the rightful male leadership and can divy up the division of labor according to the wives' ages.
The older wife could be the mother hen; be responsible for bossing the younger wife around, and be the smarter, strong secondary income bringing, intellectual, seasoned lady; and the younger wife could be the energetic social connector bubbly personality type with the tight ass you can bounce a quarter off who would do more of the physical stuff for the kids. Fuarking hell I be so jealous of King Solomon and Montezuma so many times. You'd be surprised at how many women would be willing to share a man if he was cool enough. I thought they'd be mad until I deliberately pondered the question out loud... it can work with the right conditions. I mean hell normal monogamous marriage fails half to 3/4 of the time how often would polygamy steer course to all aboard the failboat?
They'd form a special bond too like a mentor-apprentice type deal. Have huge families Mormon style.
Had it not been at the detriment of other hardworking productive men then I'd be all for it. But unfortunately I can't turn my back on my brothers so I'mma have to agree with mavssuperfan and say yeah bro each dude gotta have one lady to sexually release and keep society spinnin otherwise we gonna have mad young poor schlubs jihading around.
Who knows? At the rise of the Metrosexual, homosexual, eunuch, and Japanese herbivore types and increasing amount of daughters; our society may resemble a Polygamous one. Good times ahead for those who have the willpower!
PS -
A wife having multiple husbands is PolyANDRY. It is seen in nature with certain birds. I'll find a link to a situation where there was a woman with a bald headed bearded guy she fukks and an older skinnier sentimental weaker guy who does all the chores and stuff.. Really fukked up but hey so is life.
just to clarify, polygamy includes both polyandry and polygyny.
The reasons it was restricted are clearly religious, and anti-LDS, in nature. Now, we have all sorts of polygynous marriages where the second-tenth wives are counted as single mothers and actively "bleed the beast" with government benefits.
The FLDS is the worst at this. No one owns the house they live in, almost the entire family income goes into the church to get redistributed, etc. so these women appear on paper as destitute single mothers with 5+ kids. These churches make millions in govt benefits through this arrangement.
I think consensual polygamy should be legal and acknowledged. That would restrict these abuses (as well as illegal child marriages) and its really, really dumb that I can have kids with 5 different baby mama's but cannot be in a legally binding relationship with them. Most known human cultures have/had some form of plural marriage. Even the bible makes reference to multiple plural marriages. People act like our cultural ideas of marriage and jealousy are human universals, but that is definitely not the case. There is no natural form of marriage. In many polygynous societies, the wifes are their own closest friends and help out with household chores, child rearing, etc.
Also, you have a very shallow deterministic view of humanity J$. None of this is a human universal or state of nature. As for polyandry, check out fraternal polyandry, levirate marriage (not really polyandry), and the Nayar in India.
On reaching puberty, a woman could entertain an indefinite number of lovers, usually between three and eight, without any public concern over sexual fidelity or paternal responsibility, the two basic features of marriage in European societies.
knickballer
09-23-2013, 12:12 PM
it should be legal but you'll have rich ****** marrying every non obese chick. The non-rich man losses out.
But then again who wants multiple wives?
JEFFERSON MONEY
09-23-2013, 12:32 PM
Interesting. And yes to that single mom "extended village" ordeal.
Will look into Antrhopology to braoden horizons.
bdreason
09-23-2013, 04:23 PM
Honestly I don't give a fukc what people want to do regarding marriage... but some of these religious polygamy setups are pretty disgusting. Just men raising and brainwashing young females to turn them into slaves.. ehem I mean wives.
Bandito
09-23-2013, 04:44 PM
Because the Judicial system is based on the Christian religion. And in Christianity you can't get married with multiple women.
boozehound
09-23-2013, 04:49 PM
Because the Judicial system is based on the Christian religion. And in Christianity you can't get married with multiple women.
A) not really. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2003/12/02/was-american-founded-on-christ/
B) Old testament.
Balla_Status
09-24-2013, 04:42 AM
Polygamy should definitely be legalized. Plus, can one woman provide everything that a man wants in life and vice versa?
Real Men Wear Green
09-24-2013, 05:57 AM
To answer the question: It's one of a number of laws based on older Christian morals that younger generations that aren't so puritanical are or will eventually question.
well, polygamy would fukk up all the divorce settlement laws in america. if a man had 3 wives and all of them divorced him at the same time, would he be left with half his shit when it's all said and done? no, he wouldn't be so lucky because each bitch would split the pie and take a quarter, so he'd be left with, at best, only 25%. the illegality of polygamy protects the man financially from losing all his assets and shit if he got no pre-nup. now imagine a dude with 9 wives. if they all divorced his ass simultaneously and divided all his shit evenly, he'd be flushed out and be left with only 10%. but sticking to the traditonal two person marrigae rule, the man wouldn't have as much to lose. :lol
HarryCallahan
09-24-2013, 07:15 AM
It shouldn't be. Marriage is the business of those who are in it, not some busybody in the Capital.
Real Men Wear Green
09-24-2013, 07:25 AM
I'm against just because the divorce cases would be nightmares.
Divorce cases are already nightmares.
OldSkoolball#52
09-24-2013, 01:36 PM
Well, the general criminalization of adultery has been greatly reduced over recent generations, so honestly what does it even matter if polygamy is legal or illegal?
Back in the old school days of marriage, polygamy was a clever way to get around only being able to legally have sex with one woman. If you wanted to screw another hen, you could do it but you gotta make sure you add her to your wife roster. Nowadays we have web applications that are advertised on billboards that enable you to have extra marital affairs. It's just a markedly different world today from the one depicted in Wood's iconic 'American Gothic' painting.
Orthodoxy had its reasons and its necessities back in pre-industrial times. Women were publicly shamed with scarlet letters as a deterrent for having illegitimate children because back then there was no all-protective federal government to make sure everyone had food stamps if they wanted them. People lived in farming villages where food could be in very limited supply. The balance of mouths to feed and food production was very delicate. Children had to be raised by the families that conceived them because nobody else had the means or time to take care of someone else's kid. Life was obviously not a picnic back then. You couldn't just sit back and collect unemployment to pay for that new neck tattoo. Of course, nowadays clowns like rmwg and kevinnyc and orange&blue actually believe if you aren't a millionaire you are actually ENTITLED to collect dat welfare to get that new neck tattoo while someone else goes to work to make their money.
It's dat new evolution.
riseagainst
09-24-2013, 01:38 PM
it's illegal for moral purposes. Having multiple "wives" defeats the purpose of marriage.
OldSkoolball#52
09-24-2013, 01:41 PM
it's illegal for moral purposes. Having multiple "wives" defeats the purpose of marriage.
No it doesn't.
The historical purpose of marriage is a contract to regulate sexual/economic needs. The man is guaranteed a sexual partner, the woman is guaranteed to be provided for.
You can still do that with multiple wives. If the man wants multiple partners, he just has to be able to provide for multiple women.
.... Or did you think marriage originated with Cupid going around shooting arrows at people who then turned puppy-dog-eyed and skipped off to feed grapes to each other on a blanket in the meadow?
boozehound
09-24-2013, 02:04 PM
it's illegal for moral purposes. Having multiple "wives" defeats the purpose of marriage.
This is ridiculous. Polygyny is enhances the purpose of marriage (i.e. the creation of a stable household for the production of children) by allowing one man more access to an ovulating female. From a behavioral ecology standpoint, polygyny is the most successful of marriages. and, its also in the bible.
riseagainst
09-24-2013, 02:06 PM
This is ridiculous. Polygyny is enhances the purpose of marriage (i.e. the creation of a stable household for the production of children) by allowing one man more access to an ovulating female. From a behavioral ecology standpoint, polygyny is the most successful of marriages. and, its also in the bible.
I might have agreed with you until I saw the bolded.
:lol
DukeDelonte13
09-24-2013, 02:17 PM
1. Benefits
2. Citizenship
3. Spousal testimonial privileges
4. Tax breaks
5. custody issues
6. estate issues
7. divorce/dissolution issues
just off the top of my head. Marriage in the united states is shaped by law not by religion. Sure you get right wing kooks yammering about the "sanctity of marriage" and now we have some lawmakers that are ultra right wing religious zealots but american politics weren't always like that.
InfiniteBaskets
09-24-2013, 02:27 PM
No it doesn't.
The historical purpose of marriage is a contract to regulate sexual/economic needs. The man is guaranteed a sexual partner, the woman is guaranteed to be provided for.
You can still do that with multiple wives. If the man wants multiple partners, he just has to be able to provide for multiple women.
In this day and age, does a man who's in the position to provide for several other women + I'd imagine at least 3+ children really need to get married in order to guarantee a sexual partner?
Plus, what about when his wife gets old? Just gonna keep shelling out money for new wives and kids? That sounds like an awful lot of work compared to dating. You could order bottle service every night in vegas, or you could end up paying for 10 kids worth of college, feed 10 mouths, plus clothes, plus vacations... It would just be ridiculous.
OldSkoolball#52
09-24-2013, 06:22 PM
In this day and age, does a man who's in the position to provide for several other women + I'd imagine at least 3+ children really need to get married in order to guarantee a sexual partner?
Plus, what about when his wife gets old? Just gonna keep shelling out money for new wives and kids? That sounds like an awful lot of work compared to dating. You could order bottle service every night in vegas, or you could end up paying for 10 kids worth of college, feed 10 mouths, plus clothes, plus vacations... It would just be ridiculous.
Definitely not. In this day and age a man has greatly reduced incentive to marry even jus one woman, relative to generations passed. I wasnt suggestig anything to the contrary.
Thats why I used to argue against same sex marriage, not from a prejudice or religious perspective, simply because it seemed kind of silly relative to the actual historical purpose of marriage. Frankly it still does but to me its just not a battle worth fighting. If gay people feel that strongly about wanting it, theres really not much harm in it I suppose. So its whatever.
boozehound
09-24-2013, 06:39 PM
I might have agreed with you until I saw the bolded.
:lol
I am not using the bible to justify it. But it is in the bible
HarryCallahan
09-24-2013, 08:35 PM
Definitely not. In this day and age a man has greatly reduced incentive to marry even jus one woman, relative to generations passed. I wasnt suggestig anything to the contrary.
Thats why I used to argue against same sex marriage, not from a prejudice or religious perspective, simply because it seemed kind of silly relative to the actual historical purpose of marriage. Frankly it still does but to me its just not a battle worth fighting. If gay people feel that strongly about wanting it, theres really not much harm in it I suppose. So its whatever.
Women, always want what they can't have.
Bandito
09-24-2013, 08:56 PM
A) not really. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2003/12/02/was-american-founded-on-christ/
B) Old testament.
Oh ok. I guess all of my history teachers who said were wrong. Or maybe there are some passages (not the commandments) that are actually followed by the laws. But then again I don't read the Bible so if I am wrong or right I am not going to check.
knickballer
09-24-2013, 09:06 PM
Oh ok. I guess all of my history teachers who said were wrong. Or maybe there are some passages (not the commandments) that are actually followed by the laws. But then again I don't read the Bible so if I am wrong or right I am not going to check.
Didn't read that link but I think alot of the current laws that are in placed are based off Roman law which were based off Ancient Greek law.
I know Rome at it's height wasn't a christian empire but the religion itself had incorporated alot of Roman ideals.
In short I don't think the Ancient Romans or Greeks practiced polygamy so therefore we don't
but i could be wrong
DetroitPiston
09-24-2013, 10:44 PM
Personally, legalize it. Long as it's consenting adults and all that. Only problem I can see is the divorce cases.
OldSkoolball#52
09-25-2013, 12:48 AM
Personally, legalize it. Long as it's consenting adults and all that. Only problem I can see is the divorce cases.
Divorce issues would be complicated but really this would not be common enough in todays society to cause any big debacle. Very few women these days would be willing to be in a polygamist relationship. Monogamous marriage is far too ingrained in most christian cultures by now and as I said, even in non-traditional/religious quarters (ie urban/progressive ones) very few females would be interested.
There are some mormons in Utah and I believe some isolated other polygamy groups in Texas and perhaps other states who would be interested. Personally I think it would be very tough to justify a same sex marriage legalization without a polygamy legalization. There is no written, official definition of marriage that spans all world cultures. Americas historically accepted definition has been based on European and judeo-christian roots as single man and a single woman. Thats what its been in Asia as well as the middle East. If you say it shouldnt technically have to be a man and a woman, I dont see how you wouldnt say it technically shouldnt have to be two people. Otherwise you arent being consistent. Youre saying your gay friends and coworkers should be able to marry their boyfriends, but the religious mormons you dont know any of and probably think are weird shouldnt be able to marry three women. Is that equality or is that H8???
Flash31
10-22-2013, 03:45 AM
Divorce issues would be complicated but really this would not be common enough in todays society to cause any big debacle. Very few women these days would be willing to be in a polygamist relationship. Monogamous marriage is far too ingrained in most christian cultures by now and as I said, even in non-traditional/religious quarters (ie urban/progressive ones) very few females would be interested.
There are some mormons in Utah and I believe some isolated other polygamy groups in Texas and perhaps other states who would be interested. Personally I think it would be very tough to justify a same sex marriage legalization without a polygamy legalization. There is no written, official definition of marriage that spans all world cultures. Americas historically accepted definition has been based on European and judeo-christian roots as single man and a single woman. Thats what its been in Asia as well as the middle East. If you say it shouldnt technically have to be a man and a woman, I dont see how you wouldnt say it technically shouldnt have to be two people. Otherwise you arent being consistent. Youre saying your gay friends and coworkers should be able to marry their boyfriends, but the religious mormons you dont know any of and probably think are weird shouldnt be able to marry three women. Is that equality or is that H8???
a man marrying another man
or
a woman or man having multiple wives or husbands
nit the same thing
Imagine the legal ramifications and burden.
Whos your first in call,Who do you call first in medical emergency,your will,
your IRS tax forms How would you fill out a joint form with multiple other people
your military pay if youre in that,do they up it bc you got 3-5 ways or split the wife/husband pay 3-5 ways
How would a divorce work,Why is this fissolution happening
he/she cheated on me,while the others are fine or
you cheated on us but one wife forgave you
Imagine having to keep track of all the annuversaries,birthdays,special occasions
Does any wife/husband get alone time
You know sonebody would go he/she doesnt spend enough time with me divorce
and lets say you marry one wife 5 yrs after another and 1 a yr after that
the 1 st wife wants a divorce,wants her cut
it cant be a 16/50 bc she was here longer
but then the other two wives have a problem with the first taking tgeir finances and their hard years and shes not taking 5 yrs on and the rest split bc in her mind she was there since beginning
Too much Legal trouble for proper polygamy
OldSkoolball#52
10-22-2013, 04:38 PM
a man marrying another man
or
a woman or man having multiple wives or husbands
nit the same thing
Imagine the legal ramifications and burden.
Whos your first in call,Who do you call first in medical emergency,your will,
your IRS tax forms How would you fill out a joint form with multiple other people
your military pay if youre in that,do they up it bc you got 3-5 ways or split the wife/husband pay 3-5 ways
How would a divorce work,Why is this fissolution happening
he/she cheated on me,while the others are fine or
you cheated on us but one wife forgave you
Imagine having to keep track of all the annuversaries,birthdays,special occasions
Does any wife/husband get alone time
You know sonebody would go he/she doesnt spend enough time with me divorce
and lets say you marry one wife 5 yrs after another and 1 a yr after that
the 1 st wife wants a divorce,wants her cut
it cant be a 16/50 bc she was here longer
but then the other two wives have a problem with the first taking tgeir finances and their hard years and shes not taking 5 yrs on and the rest split bc in her mind she was there since beginning
Too much Legal trouble for proper polygamy
So you want deny people their marital wishes, people who LOVE each other, just because you cant be bothered to work out the kinks for an acceptable system???
STOP THE H8
California is basically rewriting all its rules in order to give illegals drivers licenses and other citizenship privileges. They are rewriting their rules to allow people of the same gender to start marrying each other and adopt children.
You probably know some immigrants. You probably know some gay folks. So you approve of these things on their behalf and also to stick it to the religious/conservative establishment.
You probably know nobody who would prefer to have a marriage with multiple partners, even though they are out there. You probably think those people are wierd and isolated so you arent inclined to care about applying civil rights equally to them.
H8er!!!
MavsSuperFan
10-22-2013, 04:53 PM
Honestly people just need to mind their own business.
If a consenting adult wants to get together in an relationship arrangement with other consenting adult/adults, that you disagree with.
Guess what, you dont have to be a part of it.
Flash31
10-22-2013, 05:09 PM
So you want deny people their marital wishes, people who LOVE each other, just because you cant be bothered to work out the kinks for an acceptable system???
STOP THE H8
California is basically rewriting all its rules in order to give illegals drivers licenses and other citizenship privileges. They are rewriting their rules to allow people of the same gender to start marrying each other and adopt children.
You probably know some immigrants. You probably know some gay folks. So you approve of these things on their behalf and also to stick it to the religious/conservative establishment.
You probably know nobody who would prefer to have a marriage with multiple partners, even though they are out there. You probably think those people are wierd and isolated so you arent inclined to care about applying civil rights equally to them.
H8er!!!
cant tell if sarcastic or what?
But I actually dont care and dont mind
let someone marry 20 wives or husbands
I was explaining probably why US doesnt allow it
those reasons and probably us's heavily religous beliefs always coming into play even though it's supposed to be separation of church,religion and government
I want everBody thats an adult to be able to marry another or 20 or however many,whatever It doesnt affect me or bother me,not my personal life
With a man/woman,man/man,woman/woman
its two people hust wondering how the logistics play out legally with multiple people in a marriage legal law situation dealing with finances and tthings
It dont bother mean,Im an equal opportunist
Freedom if religion or lack thereof,speech,right to pursue happpiness,liberty,marriage,rights,all that
but Im not thr government,Im not combined religion and law and making what laws i see fut based on my religion
I despise religion operated governments,doesnt turn out well
By all means,marry 20 people,It shouldnt affect anyone besides the ones in the marriage
Its like gay rights,how does it affect you at all,it dont
people just hate gays and wont allow it mostly due to religion again
Nobodies marriage thats not your own much less a complete strangers should bother you,It doesnt concern you
Religion and the way people have been brought up is creating these ignorant opinions
If all adults consent to the marriage then why not?
:coleman:
It shouldn't be illegal. As people already pointed out, the main reason it isn't is because of religion and rich people not wanting to give tax breaks to non-rich people.
This issue is just 1 more reason why I believe marriage should not be a legal thing. Make marriage something that is separate from law and then churches can celebrate marriage any way they want. Then all tax benefits come simply from domestic partnerships.
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