Wilt Chamberlain - The Dream Recruit

[CavaliersFTW]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zukRbA3y0qo

New 27 minute documentary on Wilt Chamberlain before he hit the NBA :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

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lol nah. saw this vid earlier... nice job.

[CavaliersFTW]

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[jongib369]

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Did I hear that Jim Brown beat him in a arm wrestling match after 23 minutes?

[CavaliersFTW]

Did I hear that Jim Brown beat him in a arm wrestling match after 23 minutes?
Yeah, sometime before Wilt's 100 point game (that's a clip form that broadcast). So it was shortly before Wilt really packed on mass, Wilt was about 265lbs in 1962.

[TheReal Kendall]

You really love you some Wilt bro.

Nice vids though

[jongib369]

Yeah, sometime before Wilt's 100 point game (that's a clip form that broadcast). So it was shortly before Wilt really packed on mass, Wilt was about 265lbs in 1962.
Even though it was before he added mass I'm surprised he lost. With such long/strong arms you'd think he would of won.

If I'm not mistaken I remember you quoting or showing an article of Auerbach saying Wilts bench coming into the Nba was about 350-400 correct?

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can see why he lost

[Psileas]

Yeah, sometime before Wilt's 100 point game (that's a clip form that broadcast). So it was shortly before Wilt really packed on mass, Wilt was about 265lbs in 1962.

I had heard about that Jim Brown story, but didn't know it came from that old.
From the very little I know about football, Jim Brown was basically at Wilt's age. When was his own strength prime?

[CavaliersFTW]

Even though it was before he added mass I'm surprised he lost. With such long/strong arms you'd think he would of won.

If I'm not mistaken I remember you quoting or showing an article of Auerbach saying Wilts bench coming into the Nba was about 350-400 correct?

http://content6.flixster.com/photo/11/34/63/11346356_ori.jpg

can see why he lost
At around the time of Wilt's first few seasons, when the Warriors were still in Philly, a young teenage Wali Jones (future NBA teammate of Wilt's) claimed to have witness Wilt bench press 350lbs. That's the only cited figure of his bench press that I'm aware of off the top of my head from that specific time period, there could be others though.

[fpliii]

Thanks for your hard work. :cheers:

[jongib369]

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Looks like he is rowing around 450


http://www.flickr.com/photos/midcentarc/4473755892/

[j3lademaster]

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Looks like he is rowing around 450


http://www.flickr.com/photos/midcentarc/4473755892/That looks more like 120lbs than 450. Also if he was rowing 450 that'd mean he's benching ~650 and getting around 1k lbs on squats (if his muscles had any semblence of strength proportion). I know Wilt was pretty much a superhero. Hell, I'll even buy the faster end to end than Magic and 40 inch vert whilst able to throw 270 lbs guys around like ragdolls, but 450 is a bit much.

[jongib369]

That looks more like 120lbs than 450. Also if he was rowing 450 that'd mean he's benching ~650 and getting around 1k lbs on squats (if his muscles had any semblence of strength proportion). I know Wilt was pretty much a superhero. Hell, I'll even buy the faster end to end than Magic and 40 inch vert whilst able to throw 270 lbs guys around like ragdolls, but 450 is a bit much.
120? Plates are usually 15-20 pounds. And it LOOKS to be about 30 plates. My 450 estimate is if it was 30 plates of 15 pounds. I doubt they're 10 pounds.

I just started working out again after 3 years. Farted around with weightlifting my junior/senior year of HS(not pretending to know shit about it), and fractured my sternum a few months after I graduated. I'm 5'9 195 and after not working out in 3 years I was able to row 200 on my first day using a machine just like that. Wilt is 7'1 300 + in that photo and took fitness far more seriously than I do.

I see no reason to believe that Wilt couldn't double my row considering his prior weight training and that he's a freak athlete.

The MAIN problem is that we don't know how many times he did it. He could of just did that "450" once for the photo, or he can rep it. Which is frightening to think about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAyN1LZNXfw

[jongib369]

I wish they'd get a group of great big men like Russell, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Walton, Malone, McGee Etc and watch videos like this and discuss it. HOF big men talking about each other sounds like one hell of an interesting discussion.

Or at least NBA roundtable

[CavaliersFTW]

This needs put back on the first page - I recommend it be watched

[jongib369]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61992/before-there-was-youtube-there-was-wilt

[CavaliersFTW]

so those who watched this - comments questions concerns?

[Iceman#44]

Amazing video mate....i would like to see one video with wilt finger roll fadeaway hook etc...all his scoring skills mixed with also some dunks....to shut down the idiots who say that wilt can only dunk the ball....actually he had a lot of skills...could be a good idea, what you think?

[CavaliersFTW]

This is about as comprehensive a look at draft prospect Wilt Chamberlain before he hit the NBA as possible - check it out!

[LAZERUSS]

This is about as comprehensive a look at draft prospect Wilt Chamberlain before he hit the NBA as possible - check it out!

As anyone can plainly see, Chamberlain had excellent range and a variety of post moves long before he hit the NBA. There is visual evidence of him hitting 15+ foot jump shots, and sweeping hooks. And while he was never a great FT shooter, he had much better form early in his NBA career, in which he shot around .600 (with a high of .613.) BTW, he shot .627 and .608 in his two college seasons.

And while the Wilt-detractors will be quick to point out the "short white guys" defending him in his college seasons (swarming him actually), they can't argue with an NBA Chamberlain just completely shelling HOF Black centers (several of whom were 6-11+ barefoot.) A peak KAJ played against an aging 6-11 Walt Bellamy in some 20 h2h games, had had a high game of 39 points against him. A prime Chamberlain had seasons of over 40, and even 50 ppg against Bellamy. A 50+ point game against Bells was a common occurance by a prime Chamberlain.

I have said it before, but the reality is, there is no footage of even ONE of Wilt's 271 40+ point NBA games. Imagine if we had even a handful of them? And not even ONE of his 132 30-30 games either (73 of which were 40-30 games.) And wouldn't it be nice to have just ONE of his 15-15, 16-16, 18-18, 18-19, 17-21, 16-21, 15-18, 20-27, 26-34, 30-40, 29-35 games? Or perhaps his several known QUAD games? Or many of his known Triple-Double games? Or just ONE of his several known 20+ block games (and even as high as 30)?

The Wilt-bashers claim that Chamberlain played in a "weak" and "high-paced" era, and yet, how do they explain that there were a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games recorded by a non-Wilt player in Chamberlain's 14 NBA seasons...while Chamberlain, himself, had 32?

And how about these numbers?


Aside from Chamberlain, there have been 36 30-30 games in NBA history, and Russell is the leader of that group, with 7 (Bellamy and Thurmond are next with 3 each.)

How about Wilt? 132.


40-30 (or 30-40) games: Other than Wilt, the NBA has had 9 40-30 games, with Baylor being the only player to have 2.

Chamberlain? 73


50-30 games: Pettit and Baylor each with 1

Wilt? 32


60-20 games: Aside from Wilt, there have been four (Baylor with 3 and Shaq with 1)

Chamberlain? 28


60-30 games: Baylor with 1

Wilt? 8


40-40 games: There have been 8 in the history of the NBA, and Chamberlain had all of them.


50-40 games: Obviously, Wilt would be the only player to have ever have accomplsihed that feat, which he did 5 times.


70-30 games: Chamberlain has the only 2, 78-43 and 73-36 (against Bellamy.)



And wouldn't it be great to have just ONE of the 40 or so H2H games against Russell, in which Chamberlain put up HUGE scoring numbers (including 24 40+ games, five of which were 50+, and a high of 62)? Or perhaps just ONE of the 23 games against Russell, in which Wilt recorded 35+ rebounds (including SEVEN of 40+, and a high game of 55...and in that game, Wilt outrebounded Russell by a 55-19 margin)?

Instead, all we have are a handful of games, (some of which are only halves of games), out of the 1200 NBA games that Chamberlain played in. And Wilt only had "ordinary" games in those few (like a 27-38 game...of which we only have the second half.)

In any case, the visual proof provided in this footage clearly shows a highly skilled, and athletic Wilt. Even the few remnants left from the Anti-Wilt gang can't argue with that. It's just too bad that we don't have the footage of the MANY games in which Chamberlain just overwhelmed his peers...unlike any player has in the entire history of the NBA.

[Round Mound]

Wilt Is The Greatest Center Ever

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Is The Greatest Center Ever

Clearly.

The greatest scoring center, including the post-season (a peak "scoring" Chamberlain was putting up multiple 37-39 ppg series.) By far-and-away the greatest rebounding center (and even moreso in the post-season.) The greatest passing center, and by a wide margin, of all-time (including the post-season.) And the game's greatest shot-blocker, and by a significant margin (and only Russell might have a case in the post-season.) Factor in Wilt's FG%'s, against league average, and especially at his peak, and he was the most efficient FG% shooting center in NBA history. And only Russell has a case as a better defensive center (although Wilt's h2h defense may very well have been the greatest ever.)

And in a TEAM sport, he played on a FOUR teams that won 60+ games. And he anchored two teams that went 68-13 and 69-13 and that won dominating world titles. Even his "losing" was impressive. His team's lost against the eventual champion in TEN playoff series, FIVE of which were in game seven's, and four of those decided by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points. Considering that he played in 13 post-seasons, in his 14 season career, and that he won two rings...and that means that his team's either lost to the eventual title-winning team, or actually won a ring, in TWELVE of those 13 post-seasons (again, several of which were within an eyelash of winning.)

[SHAQisGOAT]

Great vid, your channel is one of the very best on youtube when it comes to basketball. Wilt was just amazing even before the NBA.


As anyone can plainly see, Chamberlain had excellent range and a variety of post moves long before he hit the NBA. There is visual evidence of him hitting 15+ foot jump shots, and sweeping hooks. And while he was never a great FT shooter, he had much better form early in his NBA career, in which he shot around .600 (with a high of .613.) BTW, he shot .627 and .608 in his two college seasons.

And while the Wilt-detractors will be quick to point out the "short white guys" defending him in his college seasons (swarming him actually), they can't argue with an NBA Chamberlain just completely shelling HOF Black centers (several of whom were 6-11+ barefoot.) A peak KAJ played against an aging 6-11 Walt Bellamy in some 20 h2h games, had had a high game of 39 points against him. A prime Chamberlain had seasons of over 40, and even 50 ppg against Bellamy. A 50+ point game against Bells was a common occurance by a prime Chamberlain.

I have said it before, but the reality is, there is no footage of even ONE of Wilt's 271 40+ point NBA games. Imagine if we had even a handful of them? And not even ONE of his 132 30-30 games either (73 of which were 40-30 games.) And wouldn't it be nice to have just ONE of his 15-15, 16-16, 18-18, 18-19, 17-21, 16-21, 15-18, 20-27, 26-34, 30-40, 29-35 games? Or perhaps his several known QUAD games? Or many of his known Triple-Double games? Or just ONE of his several known 20+ block games (and even as high as 30)?

The Wilt-bashers claim that Chamberlain played in a "weak" and "high-paced" era, and yet, how do they explain that there were a TOTAL of FIVE 60+ point games recorded by a non-Wilt player in Chamberlain's 14 NBA seasons...while Chamberlain, himself, had 32?

And how about these numbers?




And wouldn't it be great to have just ONE of the 40 or so H2H games against Russell, in which Chamberlain put up HUGE scoring numbers (including 24 40+ games, five of which were 50+, and a high of 62)? Or perhaps just ONE of the 23 games against Russell, in which Wilt recorded 35+ rebounds (including SEVEN of 40+, and a high game of 55...and in that game, Wilt outrebounded Russell by a 55-19 margin)?

Instead, all we have are a handful of games, (some of which are only halves of games), out of the 1200 NBA games that Chamberlain played in. And Wilt only had "ordinary" games in those few (like a 27-38 game...of which we only have the second half.)

In any case, the visual proof provided in this footage clearly shows a highly skilled, and athletic Wilt. Even the few remnants left from the Anti-Wilt gang can't argue with that. It's just too bad that we don't have the footage of the MANY games in which Chamberlain just overwhelmed his peers...unlike any player has in the entire history of the NBA.


Good post but Kareem's peak was in 1977, and Bellamy was retired already.

[CavaliersFTW]

Been working on the middle installment of this trilogy which highlights Wilt's shock and awe campaign on the NBA during his prime... and holy shit. I'm calling it now, prime Wilt looks so good in highlights the video is going to go viral. His prime highlights are absolutely insane.

[Iceman#44]

Cant wait

[Psileas]

Been working on the middle installment of this trilogy which highlights Wilt's shock and awe campaign on the NBA during his prime... and holy shit. I'm calling it now, prime Wilt looks so good in highlights the video is going to go viral. His prime highlights are absolutely insane.

Not surprised, we're talking about the GOAT prime. Are there included clips that haven't been aired on YT, I suppose?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yeah, sometime before Wilt's 100 point game (that's a clip form that broadcast). So it was shortly before Wilt really packed on mass, Wilt was about 265lbs in 1962.

You got anymore excuses you want to make? :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

Not surprised, we're talking about the GOAT prime. Are there included clips that haven't been aired on YT, I suppose?
Hmmm I don't know, I think most everything is out there on the net in some way shape or form but none if it is organized together, a lot of it isn't played back at the right speed - even if you've seen the clips before they don't look quite the same as when they are color/ratio/speed adjusted and mixed well

[CavaliersFTW]

You got anymore excuses you want to make? :oldlol:
Excuses for what? That's not an excuse for anything it's just a statement.

[fpliii]

Been working on the middle installment of this trilogy which highlights Wilt's shock and awe campaign on the NBA during his prime... and holy shit. I'm calling it now, prime Wilt looks so good in highlights the video is going to go viral. His prime highlights are absolutely insane.

Nice. How're you thinking of breaking it down? Also, what years does your footage presently cover, and roughly how much do you anticipate being from each of those seasons?

[CavaliersFTW]

Nice. How're you thinking of breaking it down? Also, what years does your footage presently cover, and roughly how much do you anticipate being from each of those seasons?
Well, I covered high school to globetrotters in the first, I'm planning on doing 1959 NBA to 1968 NBA in the 2nd. All Warriors and Sixers Wilt. No idea how long it will be yet. The 3rd installment will all be about the declining but still very imposing Lakers Wilt.

[fpliii]

Well, I covered high school to globetrotters in the first, I'm planning on doing 1959 NBA to 1968 NBA in the 2nd. All Warriors and Sixers Wilt. No idea how long it will be yet. The 3rd installment will all be about the declining but still very imposing Lakers Wilt.

Very nice, looking forward to it. :cheers:

[avonbarksdale]

lol this is so stupid

[Psileas]

Well, I covered high school to globetrotters in the first, I'm planning on doing 1959 NBA to 1968 NBA in the 2nd. All Warriors and Sixers Wilt. No idea how long it will be yet. The 3rd installment will all be about the declining but still very imposing Lakers Wilt.

Maybe it's a bit late to post this now, but have you thought about breaking prime Wilt into Warrior and Sixer Wilt?

[CavaliersFTW]

Maybe it's a bit late to post this now, but have you thought about breaking prime Wilt into Warrior and Sixer Wilt?
Too little footage of that time period to do so - specifically too little 'Warriors' footage in proportion to Sixer footage. I mean, I'm going to try and break it up within the mix itself a bit and keep it somewhat chronological I think but I'm not going to do two different mixes for his prime.