Prime Dwight would give be the best defensive center in the 90s.

[CanYouDigIt]

Only 2 Centers have a higher defensive rating than D12: Hakeem and David Robinson. Prime Dwight has unreal strength, athletism, and wingspan that would go unmatched in 90s Basketball.

I predicit 20/14/2 2-3 bpg as his statline during the 90s.

[IncarceratedBob]

Dwight would shit on Ewing

[Dro]

Dwight would shit on Ewing
Not sure if serious....Definitely not shitting on a young Ewing...With what post moves? Ewing can step outside and knock down jumpers, has turnaround jumpers in the post and running hook shots across the lane...

[3peated]

aren't the 90s bigs like 4+ inches taller than him?

[Take Your Lumps]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif

[CanYouDigIt]

aren't the 90s bigs like 4+ inches taller than him?
Dwight's standing reach is nearly the same as Shaq. Height doesn't always adjust to a good post defender... look at Hasheem Thabeet.

[CanYouDigIt]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif
Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.

[dannywpt]

I hate it when your wingspan gets reduced by not being in your prime.

[2LeTTeRS]

aren't the 90s bigs like 4+ inches taller than him?

Depends on who you were talking about. Mutombo, Shaq, and D Rob had a good few inches on him, but he was about the same height as Zo, Hakeem and Ewing.

I personally think that's cancelled out by his advantages in athleticism. He can probably outjump all the centers from the 90s, while being as strong or stronger than all those guys but Shaq and Zo and quicker than all the great 90s center's besides Hakeem and D Rob.

[tontoz]

Only 2 Centers have a higher defensive rating than D12: Hakeem and David Robinson. Prime Dwight has unreal strength, athletism, and wingspan that would go unmatched in 90s Basketball.

I predicit 20/14/2 2-3 bpg as his statline during the 90s.



You obviously never watched DRob.

[AirFederer]

Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.
:facepalm

[j3lademaster]

Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.Dwight's definitely more weightroom strong, but Barkley had unreal center of gravity in the paint, and knew how to use it.

Imo Dwight's 1 on 1 post defense, albeit good, is highly overrated. There just aren't any post scoring bigs good enough to expose it. Dwight's strengths on defense is help D altering shots and rotating, which is much more important in the current nba with all the slashers and pnr's, but it won't help him when he's iso'd against Hakeem in the post....

[fefe]

Prime Dwight is a very good defensive center. Offensively he has huge flaws, but defensively he is great.

Still, Olajuwon, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing and Mutombo were better. Those guys all averaged 4+ blocked shots for multiple seasons, while being just as good in post defense, help defense and pick and roll defense as Dwight.

[j3lademaster]

Prime Dwight is a very good defensive center. Offensively he has huge flaws, but defensively he is great.

Still, Olajuwon, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing and Mutombo were better. Those guys all averaged 4+ blocked shots for multiple seasons, while being just as good in post defense, help defense and pick and roll defense as Dwight.No 3 sec paint rule and he's allowed to be more physical with players attempting to finish on him. Surely his block stat would go up in the 90's.

[CanYouDigIt]

No 3 sec paint rule and he's allowed to be more physical with players attempting to finish on him. Surely his block stat would go up in the 90's.
This.

Prime Dwight with his length and athletism would give the best slashers in the leage trouble. Just like how he gives Lebron trouble in today's league.

[scm5]

Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.

This might be true, but Rodman had unreal stamina and he would wear down on you all game with his relentlessness. Imagine having to deal with this throughout the entire game.

[tontoz]

Howards intensity level has always been up and down. Competitive intensity is not his strong suit. On the other hand a guy like Zo was all out all the time.

[gts]

Only 2 Centers have a higher defensive rating than D12: Hakeem and David Robinson. .

Wouldn't that make Dwight the 3rd best defensive center of the 90s?

[Legends66NBA7]

Wouldn't that make Dwight the 3rd best defensive center of the 90s?

Exactly. Plus, Dikembe and Ewing are just as good if not better defenders.

[CanYouDigIt]

Wouldn't that make Dwight the 3rd best defensive center of the 90s?
Dwight is more athletic than the two. Dwight would average more blocks and rebounds if the league's defensive rules for the paint didn't exsist.

[kNicKz]

You obviously never watched DRob.

:lol

Hakeem would utterly destroy Dwight Howard

[greymatter]

Prime Dwight is a very good defensive center. Offensively he has huge flaws, but defensively he is great.

Still, Olajuwon, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing and Mutombo were better. Those guys all averaged 4+ blocked shots for multiple seasons, while being just as good in post defense, help defense and pick and roll defense as Dwight.

A bunch of reasons why that is:

1. Game was a lot less perimeter oriented in those days. A lot more shots were taken in the paint.

2. Defensive rule changes make it harder for bigs to camp out in the paint.

3. Higher pace.

4. Fewer quality low post scorers to get opportunities to block.

Another 4+ bpg bigman will probably be as rare as a 33+ppg scorer in this day and age.

[ProfessorMurder]

Please prove that Dwight is stronger than Rodman.


I don't know why you're harping on Dwight's athleticism and speed. You realize the game was much more compacted then and that wouldn't be utilized as much, especially against guys that were 4 inches bigger?

F*ck Mutombo was 7'2", Dwight is 6'9".

[kNicKz]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/732120721.png

vs.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma3xqpMegV1redybyo1_500.jpg



http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2298813/dwightair.gif

vs

http://24.media.tumblr.com/585a4414ad3f58b7108c2408401db309/tumblr_mj9go7VYJ51renuivo1_500.gif

[Rake2204]

No 3 sec paint rule and he's allowed to be more physical with players attempting to finish on him. Surely his block stat would go up in the 90's.Just to step in and clarify, the defensive three second rule actually allowed teams to play a type of zone. Players in the modern NBA cannot camp in the paint (hence the three second rule) but they can drift and wander for periods of time.

Previously (pre-2001), virtually any semblance of zone defense was outlawed by the NBA. The implementation of defensive three seconds was actually a lightening on zone restrictions, not the other way around.


Dwight is more athletic than the two. Dwight would average more blocks and rebounds if the league's defensive rules for the paint didn't exsist.I believe athleticism can be defined and interpreted a number of different ways. For instance, perhaps many of us judge athleticism through one's vertical leap. In that case, perhaps Howard is superior to David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon.

However, I believe one's speed and overall agility is also a huge part of athleticism and in that regard, I admit I have a hard time envisioning Dwight Howard eclipsing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s2hIf-b6ho

[KyleKong]

Dwight would be the best defensive player for the entire decade, yes.

Dwight would also average 10.0 PPG in the 90s against legendary Centers and not the 2010s Centers.

[Smoke117]

Yeah right. You just named the two most dominant defensive players (center or otherwise) of the modern era: Hakeem Olajuwon 1 and David Robinson 2.

[Bigsmoke]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif


those dudes are like 6'5

[ILLsmak]

I think DROB was mad overrated. He got stats tho.

-Smak

[Bigsmoke]

Dwight would be the best defensive player for the entire decade, yes.

Dwight would also average 10.0 PPG in the 90s against legendary Centers and not the 2010s Centers.

i dont know about that.

Rik Smits was about to beast in some of those seasons in the 90's. Dwight wouldnt? :rolleyes:

[kNicKz]

Dwight would be the best defensive player for the entire decade, yes.



:roll:

Mutombo and robinson were getting 4-4.5 BPG in the 90's Dwight has yet to sniff 3 bpg in a season :roll:

He's a 6'9" guy on HGH, not a true center. Wasn't he a PF as a rookie?

[DuMa]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif

:lol those dudes look like theyre in the tango :lol

[KyleKong]

:roll:

Mutombo and robinson were getting 4-4.5 BPG in the 90's Dwight has yet to sniff 3 bpg in a season :roll:

Blocks are the only important thing for a defensive Center?

Your Avy is a guy that got destroyed by a coke'd up Ricky Hatton. Your opinion doesn't matter.

[GrapeApe]

A bit off topic but the thread title suggests that Dwight is past his prime. He's 27 years old. Is it the general opinion that he's already on the decline? Seems weird to be talking about his prime being behind him at such a young age. This season should be very telling.

[TheReturn]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif
I could show you a similar gif of Kobe or Melo posting someone up.

[fpliii]

lol, no.

[TheReal Kendall]

Would you say Dwight is better than young Shaq?

[Eric Cartman]

Would you say Dwight is better than young Shaq?

Only a idiot would say such a thing.

[TheReal Kendall]

Only a idiot would say such a thing.

:roll:

Didn't Hakeem give young Shaq the business when they faced?

So I believe Howard would be something close to a scrub in the 90s.

There's too many quality Bigs in the 90s.

He only stands out now because the lack of Bigs with talent/skill in this era.

[SyRyanYang]

:wtf: :wtf:
His man defense is pretty average.
Guys like Hakeem, Ewing will DESTROY this clown, get real.

[aj1987]

His man defense is pretty average.
Guys like Hakeem, Ewing will DESTROY this clown, get real.
To be fair, they would destroy anyone. Heck, they'd probably score their usual even on Wilt and Russell.

[Round Mound]

Too soft.

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif

:applause:

[Round Mound]

Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.

Dwight Stronger than Barkley? :roll:

[Round Mound]

those dudes are like 6'5

[B]Charles Barkley is 6

[sundizz]

This is sad. Look at Dwight Howard vs. Shaq's head to head stats and a well past his prime Shaq is still better than Howard.

Even if you do the head2head matchup from 2007 (his 3rd year) to 2011 Shaq still pwns him.

[TheBigVeto]

Dwight's WAY stronger than Rodman, Barkley would have struggles trying to do that to D12.

Dwight would have fouled out by halftime if he was guarding prime Barkley.

[PHILA]

https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/807497606.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=10m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2-MbzDJzc&t=12m30s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=1m50s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-ldRFG9ds&t=2m10s

[PHILA]

Dwight Stronger than Barkley? :roll:

In comparing the Synergy statistics, Barkley based on the select sample of games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312709) ranks ahead of Dwight by a huge margin in terms of low post offense. This past season (2013), Dwight ranks at 0.74 PPP (Points Per Play) in the Post Up category, while Barkley ranks at 1.64 PPP.

In looking at PPP, Barkley more than doubles the efficiency of Dwight the low post. :lol While some would argue that Dwight may leave points at the foul line thus affecting his PPP, we can look at the FG%. Dwight is 44.5% and Barkley is 76.5%.



http://i.imgur.com/yWq8aPh.png




http://i.imgur.com/V0TZP3e.png

[Nash]

defense, key word here

[PHILA]

defense, key word here
:applause:

In looking strictly at 1-on-1 low post defense, Barkley is not that far off Dwight in terms of FG% allowed. Based on the footage in this thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312709), Barkley allowed 103/282 FG (36.5%) in the low post/interior, compared to Dwight who this past season allowed 32/100 FG (32%) in the post.

[deja vu]

Dwight would shit on Ewing
:biggums:

[diamenz]

howard's strength is decieving imo. the guy has impressive arms, but lacks core strength. i can see barkley knocking him around and malone just bullying him.

[Djahjaga]

In comparing the Synergy statistics, Barkley based on the select sample of games (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312709) ranks ahead of Dwight by a huge margin in terms of low post offense. This past season (2013), Dwight ranks at 0.74 PPP (Points Per Play) in the Post Up category, while Barkley ranks at 1.64 PPP.

In looking at PPP, Barkley more than doubles the efficiency of Dwight the low post. :lol While some would argue that Dwight may leave points at the foul line thus affecting his PPP, we can look at the FG%. Dwight is 44.5% and Barkley is 76.5%.



http://i.imgur.com/yWq8aPh.png




http://i.imgur.com/V0TZP3e.png

Do you have post-offense and defense stats for Dwight in previous seasons?Like, say, his final 3 years with the Magic?

His 10-11 and 11-12 seasons might be better than last year.

[No_Look604]

Hey OP, what strain of chronic you got going on right now? Must be intense!

This has to be the most stupid thread I've ever seen on ISH. It's like you completely forgot to take into consideration the competition from that era.

Ewing
Robinson
Olajuwon
Shaq
Mourning
Sabonis


Forget centres...can Dwight hold Karl Malone or Barkley in the post? I doubt it.

[SHAQisGOAT]

No, he wouldn't.

I don't even like to compare most advanced stats across eras, can't be done, rather see how they did against their peers.

Most centers Dwight plays against are weak af also, don't forget, 90s bigmen will just murk him.

[bdreason]

Dwight would shit on Ewing


Ewing would embarrass Howard.

[PHILA]

Do you have post-offense and defense stats for Dwight in previous seasons?Like, say, his final 3 years with the Magic?

His 10-11 and 11-12 seasons might be better than last year.
They are available on the website to paying customers, which I am not. But in reading this article, I found the offensive post up statistics of both Dwight and Bynum for the 2011-12 season.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2012/08/20/dwight-howards-offense-and-how-it-helps-the-lakers/

Dwight: 0.88 PPP, 49.9% FG
Bynum: 0.89 PPP, 46.7% FG