Jacked-up bodybuilder vs MMA fighter who will win?

[tgan3]

Lets say the bodybuilder is given 3 months MMA training by a professional trainer. Who do you think will win?

http://www.bodycoaches.net/files/3913/6136/4468/Ronnie_Coleman_2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1-qRVU6VHcE/TwQpJuB8GFI/AAAAAAAAAIg/K6GPwJbySZk/s1600/Ronnie_Coleman1.jpg

VS

http://www.mmajunkie.com/files/large/8188

I will pay to watch something like that happen.

[TheSilentKiller]

mma fighter 9 times out of 10

[TheMarkMadsen]

MMA fighter who's been training/ taking punches for years>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody who has not

Besides that dude is obviously roided up and probably would tear something or get injured an hour into MMA training

[B-Low]

mma fighter 9 times out of 10

This. Muscle like that doesn't mean jack squat in pro fighting. Especially muscles so big they actually limit your movement. Those huge guys' cardio and mobility would be terrible

Plus I mean look at a guy like Overeem. He's a pro fighter that's been training for 20+ years, competing all over the world against top class competition, winning titles etc, and he has the body of a freakin Greek statue but he's on the verge of getting cut after getting knocked out by a guy that's like 30% body fat.

http://sibatmedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/134_alistair_overeem.jpeg

Skill > muscle just about every time

[DonDadda59]

That roid freak couldn't wipe his own grotesquely muscular ass, never mind him trying to fight someone.

[9erempiree]

It really depends on who the bodybuilder is fighting. Is he fighting an elite MMA fighter or just some random MMA guy.

I think everyone failed to read the OP, it said 3 months of training. 3 months the bodybuilder's body would change very drastically due to the cardio training.

It depends on how fast he learns MMA and who he is fighting.

If the OP meant 3 months of MMA training only and the bodybuilder kept his regimen of building his body, then he would get his ass kicked.

[bdreason]

Bodybuilder would gas in about 60 seconds, and then get choked out.

[nathanjizzle]

mma fighter 97 times out of 100.

[B-Low]

mma fighter 97 times out of 100.

Meaning the other 3 times the bodybuilder is fighting Michael Bisping in a title eliminator

[lefthook00]

Fighting is more about skill, speed, insane cardio, great scrambing instincts, and being okay with getting hit in the face.

But then again the bodybuilder in OP is THE Ronnie Coleman, greatest bodybuilder of all time, 8x Mr. Olympia, can squat/deadlift 800+lbs for reps, was a linebacker and a policeman before professional bodybuilding, originated "YEAH BUDDAYYY", and is a pure alpha male silverback gorilla.

But na, he wouldn't be effective in that shape, dude is too big, you gas out walking up some stairs when you're carrying that much mass.

[iamgine]

With 3 months training, maybe the sheer weight advantage can come out on top.

Also, it depends on where they're fighting. If the ring is small and there's brick wall around, the bodybuilder has a chance to throw the smaller guy to it.

[9erempiree]

Fighting is more about skill, speed, insane cardio, great scrambing instincts, and being okay with getting hit in the face.

But then again the bodybuilder in OP is THE Ronnie Coleman, greatest bodybuilder of all time, 8x Mr. Olympia, can squat/deadlift 800+lbs for reps, was a linebacker and a policeman before professional bodybuilding, originated "YEAH BUDDAYYY", and is a pure alpha male silverback gorilla.

But na, he wouldn't be effective in that shape, dude is too big, you gas out walking up some stairs when you're carrying that much mass.

3 months of cardio training he would be trim to fight with MMA training too.

[andremiller07]

Mariusz Pudzianowski has a 6-3 record against some of the worst known HW fighters of all time which is not bad but yeah unless the MMA fighter is a complete scrub or a part timer the jacked up body builder get's trashed 99% of the time.

[Swaggin916]

Generally speaking you can't substitute experience. Even if the Body Builder was taught fighting styles that suited his strengths (which is size and strength) and how to defend against the particular opponent he is fighting, 3 months still probably isn't enough time to defeat a seasoned veteran. If the Body Builder outweighs his opponent by 100 pounds though then he could possibly take him out because size does mean something and sometimes even the best fighter can get smothered.

[plowking]

Mariusz Pudzianowski has a 6-3 record against some of the worst known HW fighters of all time which is not bad but yeah unless the MMA fighter is a complete scrub or a part timer the jacked up body builder get's trashed 99% of the time.

I was just going to bring this up. Its happened, and it wasn't very successful.

Dude doesn't even look stronger than his opponents in the octagon despite being far stronger. These other fighters spend years of their life training, finding certain points at which leverage/strength is best to fire from.

[LJJ]

Mariusz Pudzianowski has a 6-3 record against some of the worst known HW fighters of all time which is not bad but yeah unless the MMA fighter is a complete scrub or a part timer the jacked up body builder get's trashed 99% of the time.

Pudzianowski was a strongman competitor though. An actual professional athlete who trained for physical performance, not just a roided up freak body builder.

[andremiller07]

Pudzianowski was a strongman competitor though. An actual professional athlete who trained for physical performance, not just a roided up freak body builder.
So he's a step up and can only beat complete scrubs so a bodybuilder would only do even worse. That just further proves that he bodybuilder would have little to zero chance.

[DCL]

of course, the pro who trains to fight and defend and has technical knowledge in punching, kicking, grappling, and blocking is gonna win.

[tgan3]

of course, the pro who trains to fight and defend and has technical knowledge in punching, kicking, grappling, and blocking is gonna win.

A gorilla doesn't have any fighting knowledge, just pure strength. You don't think the MMA fighter will win do you?

[dr.hee]

A gorilla doesn't have any fighting knowledge, just pure strength. You don't think the MMA fighter will win do you?

Damn, you're smart :roll:

[DCL]

A gorilla doesn't have any fighting knowledge, just pure strength. You don't think the MMA fighter will win do you?

the topic is human to human, not human to wild beast.

[iamgine]

As always, the answer is "depends"

- Location
- Weight difference
- Natural athleticism
- etc

Someone like Shaq, who was 7'1 300 lbs but extremely mobile in his younger days should win more often than not with 3 months training against a 5'3 125 lbs MMA fighter such as Demetrious Johnson. The weight/height/reach/power advantage should be too much.

[ace23]

Look at the shape of that dude's ass.

No homo.

[Bandito]

If you saw DragonBall Z you would know why a body builder would lose everytime...:roll:

Trunks had a lot of muscle and fought Cell and lost due to less mobility etc...

[Thorpesaurous]

Weight differential is a big deal here.


How about a world class smaller guy, like a BJ Penn, facing off against a pro-am level MMA guy who's a heavyweight, like one of those guys who fights in local promotions at Indian Casinos in the midwest, but he's got a 40 lb. weight advantage. Weight, even bad weight, can be a serious factor in a small space.

[Myth]

MMA fighter who's been training/ taking punches for years>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody who has not

Besides that dude is obviously roided up and probably would tear something or get injured an hour into MMA training

Also, the body builders are not built for speed. The ONLY thing they have over the MMA fighter is strength.

[alenleomessi]

that would be terrible to see... synthol leaking from all body parts.. yuck...

[OhNoTimNoSho]

You guys forget that bodybuilders dont train for strength either they train for size. And also just because a dude can bench 450 and squat 750 or whatever doesnt mean they can generate some unbelievable force with a punch. Punching strength comes more from explosiveness not raw strength. If the reverse were true someone that can squat 800 lbs would have a vertical of 50 inches. So an MMA fighter would most certainly be able to punch much harder than any bodybuilder.

[iamgine]

You guys forget that bodybuilders dont train for strength either they train for size. And also just because a dude can bench 450 and squat 750 or whatever doesnt mean they can generate some unbelievable force with a punch. Punching strength comes more from explosiveness not raw strength. If the reverse were true someone that can squat 800 lbs would have a vertical of 50 inches. So an MMA fighter would most certainly be able to punch much harder than any bodybuilder.
I wonder if a bodybuilder can take the punishment better than most since they look like walking muscles. So much so that a kick to the body, unless hitting vital part, doesn't do much.

Also, they might not punch good, but what about their pushing/pulling/lifting/grabbing power? I wonder if they can lift and throw a 150 lbs guy easily into the air or pull so hard to dislocate arms.

[DukeDelonte13]

Meaning the other 3 times the bodybuilder is fighting Michael Bisping in a title eliminator

a fight is a fight. Those other 3 times are for those lucky punches

[hateraid]

I'm a trained fighter who has alot of friends in the sport of bodybuilding. Most of you guys are severely underestimating the movement and uncanny strength of a body builder. They are not just some sluggish oaf with no co-ordination and crumble under one punch. Also given some training gives them a little bit of an edge.
I knew a competitive body builder who also trained with Rocky Miavia. He competes at light heavyweight in body building. I would hestitate to try and fight him. And as stated size is a serious factor in fighting. This guy outweighs me about about 40 pounds of dense muscle. He could very well weather punches and kicks and grab a hold of me.
Having said that I wouls still take the MMA fighter, but it's alot closer than most of you would assume. It's also the fight in the fighter. Same size person, give it to the MMA guy. 40lb+ it becomes a little tricky

[LikeABosh]

Strength is only one of the many, many factors in an MMA fight. This question is retarded :oldlol: . Maybe a body builder could beat some wannabe, tap out shirt wearing back yard fighter but an actual professional who has dedicated years and years to fighting isn't gonna be beaten by some bodybuilder who has trained for 3 months

[hateraid]

nah

Nah too what? I said an MMA fighter would win

[Myth]

Best MMA fighter vs best bodybuilder, give me that skill every time. This is like asking if some random 7 footer would be better at basketball than Mugsy Bogues.

[hateraid]

Nah about it being closer than people think

If it's a matter of giving up 40lb+ and a considerable reach it is a lot closer. I'm speaking from experience, not assumptions.

[AlphaWolf24]

I will pay to watch something like that happen.

it already has happened...quite a few times.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82493348/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfcQVxV5Cw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYCMBYS7y_s



- Granted Mario might not be a " body builder"...but he def trains his body in similar fashion.

- asking if a body builder could beat a MMA Fighter is the same as asking if a NBA player/football player/______________player can fight?

- it depends on the person and if that person trains for MMA / has any experience in MMA.

- Of course if you have a good MMA Fighter...he / she will be the favorite to beat any athlete ( with no/limited MMA experience) in a MMA style fight..

BUT.....

if you teach the stronger/smarter athlete how to fight...they may pick up technique faster and be better at it.....IMO strength training athletes/body builders have done fairly well in MMA with the limited technique they may have had.

the biggest obstacle ( as many have said) is Cardio....your heart working extra to pump blood to all the muscle....if you can achieve a high recovery / cardio rate....then having extra strength would def help.


I have seen just as many fat guys gas out as I have Muscle heads:confusedshrug:

[hateraid]

Are we talking about actual good fighters or any random dickhead at an mma gym?


Nobody in the world is beating a good fighter with 3 months of training.
Did I not say I would take the MMA fighter? The argument is it's alot closer than a cakewalk like you're assuming

[Zan Tabak]

This is like asking if some random 7 footer would be better at basketball than Mugsy Bogues.
Perfect analogy. The bodybuilder would get destroyed.

[iamgine]

This is like asking if some random 7 footer would be better at basketball than Mugsy Bogues.
One on one yeah an athletic 7 footer should win easily with 3 months training against Muggsy.

[9erempiree]

you guys are really underestimating these beasts. Don't let the speedos fool you.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c-8d_8k548I/TqTh_EIwF3I/AAAAAAAABTk/JCLIliwCLOk/s1600/german-bodybuilder-markus-ruhl.jpg

http://foro.eliteculturismo.com/attachments/culturistas/5197d1304535343-ronnie-coleman-biografia-7f487a1674.jpg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5471213&d=1362492806

Grappling and BJJ isn't going to work. Arm bar and triangles? Forget about it. Mounts? Nope.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'm with hateraid on this one.

I see way way way too much CARRYOVER between the respective sports to see how this would be a pure annihilation.


Have we not forgotten how much FOCUS, WILLPOWER, DISCIPLINE, DEDICATION, and capacity to ENDURE PAIN anybody who's put on a substantial amount of muscle endures?

... the same amount of principles that make a well-rounded fighter.

If someone like Coleman had done a plethora of:
Power cleans
Overhead Presses
Deadlifts
Squats
Anti-rotation Core Exercises
Planks
HGH/Test to get that chin and jaw bone density up
and had cop training (armbar lock stuff)


Not only would his strength be top notch.. but his speed, power, and defense also.

And you guys are being a bit crazy. Yes, boxing is the toughest cardio sport out there with the exception being triathalon. Yes the amount of max V02 consumed in a wrestling bout is crazy and yes fatigue is definitely an issue for a larger guy...
but have you seen a bodybuilder's cutting hypertrophy high volume low intensity routine? It. Is. NO. Joke. When max rest is 30-45 seconds, you damn well believe the guy is in shape to put up successions of 8-12 reps in whatever he's doing.

Now let's boil it down to the motions.

Imagine his first step acceleration when he's doing a take down. He has 3 months. 90 FUKKING DAYS to perfect his technique. That's about a half ton of leg power stored in those springs. Imagine the strength and elasticity of those tendons, and the impregnable fortress that is his abs.

If he divies up his skills into building the essentials and spends hours and hours dedicating his time to it.
Half-guard
Mount
Standup boxing
A few kicks
with an unorthodox style


Then by good odin's raven's luck the MMA guy may just miscalculate something leaving him vulnerable for a pounding.


Now I still believe that at the VERY LEAST 8-9/10 times the decent MMA fighter is gonna clown him, but absolute destruction? Nah.. the bodybuilder just might get lucky and catch the fella off guard. And he's not going down easy either.

[TheSilentKiller]

One on one yeah an athletic 7 footer should win easily with 3 months training against Muggsy.
No. Mugsy would be able to score every single time. If you include 3 pointers there is very little chance.

[iamgine]

No. Mugsy would be able to score every single time. If you include 3 pointers there is very little chance.
:biggums:

[edb33]

I don't care how big you are if you haven't trained your shins for years to take absolute punishment you will go down with one kick. Give me Bones Jones against any body builder in the world

[Zan Tabak]

One on one yeah an athletic 7 footer should win easily with 3 months training against Muggsy.

:oldlol: Nooooo. Muggsy has two options...stand out at the three point line and knock down open threes...or run around that pylon for easy lay-ins. The seven footer wouldn't stand a chance. You also gotta keep in mind a the 7-footer would only have 3 months of training, so his shot selection and just overall bball IQ would be novice at best.

[iamgine]

:oldlol: Nooooo. Muggsy has two options...stand out at the three point line and knock down open threes...or run around that pylon for easy lay-ins. The seven footer wouldn't stand a chance. You also gotta keep in mind a the 7-footer would only have 3 months of training, so his shot selection and just overall bball IQ would be novice at best.
Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

[Inactive]

Weight differential is a big deal here.


How about a world class smaller guy, like a BJ Penn, facing off against a pro-am level MMA guy who's a heavyweight, like one of those guys who fights in local promotions at Indian Casinos in the midwest, but he's got a 40 lb. weight advantage. Weight, even bad weight, can be a serious factor in a small space.That basically happened all the time in Japan.

BJ Penn fought Machida to a draw at HW (technically lost, but it was very close). 5'9 190 Minowa, who isn't world class, beat 6'5 300+ pound Bob Sapp, and 7'1 300+ kickboxer Hong Man Choi, 7'2 300+ Giant Silva, etc. 185 pound Melvin Manhoef KO'd Mark Hunt.


Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.If he's starting off as some couch potato average Joe, I don't think he's necessarily going to have the strength to just back Muggs down, or the awareness+ballhandling skill to avoid getting it stolen when he tries.

[Zan Tabak]

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

What makes you think the 7footer would even get into the key?

Muggsy would be all over that horrid dribbling and rather get a steal or make the seven footer take an outside shot. Even if the 7footer grabs a rebound right under the basket and dunks, he's going to have to start on top of the key again. If he try's to back down Muggsy from the top of the key, he's going to get the ball stolen or he's going to be forced to pick up the ball. I don't think Muggsy would try to square up with a 7 footer, he'd probably run around him trying to steal the ball.

And with Muggsy's quickness, I see him running down virtually every rebound. jmo

[Goldrush25]

No amount of bodybuilding will prevent you from getting your air choked out.

[abuC]

The MMA fighter would win, I lift weights and I'm also a huge fan of boxing and with that in mind the hardest punchers in the world are not jacked up & overly muscular.

The type of build a IFBB pro goes for is not conducive to fighting, they aren't very flexible and their biceps are usually so tight they can't even straighten out their arms. Any MMA fighter with a stand up game will beat the brakes off a pro bodybuilder who will be too slow and too stiff, and no matter how much weight you lift your chin isn't going to increase in it's ability to take a punch/kick.

[resin_baller]

Come on... Mariusz was stronger than any of these guys, AND he had prior kickboxing experience, AND way more than just 3 months of training. He still has a mediocre record against mediocre pros. He was fighting other heavyweights, of course, but he also had a LOT more training.

Also, Pedro Sauer fought a 250 lb pro bodybuilder with high school wrestling experience back in the prehistoric days of MMA. It took longer than I thought it would, but he was never really threatened. And this is a 150 lb guy back when the sport was in it's infancy.

Plus, most of those bodybuilders will gas in seconds. They won't know how to relax, and will try to go hard all the time. All that muscle needs a lot of oxygen, and once their relatively normal human lungs can't keep up, they'll be slow as a beached whale.

[iamgine]

If he's starting off as some couch potato average Joe, I don't think he's necessarily going to have the strength to just back Muggs down, or the awareness+ballhandling skill to avoid getting it stolen when he tries.
I did say an athletic 7 footer with 3 months training.


What makes you think the 7footer would even get into the key?

Muggsy would be all over that horrid dribbling and rather get a steal or make the seven footer take an outside shot. Even if the 7footer grabs a rebound right under the basket and dunks, he's going to have to start on top of the key again. If he try's to back down Muggsy from the top of the key, he's going to get the ball stolen or he's going to be forced to pick up the ball. I don't think Muggsy would try to square up with a 7 footer, he'd probably run around him trying to steal the ball.

And with Muggsy's quickness, I see him running down virtually every rebound. jmo
Training to dribble around a midget is not hard. It's even better if Muggs try to go around to steal, clear path to the basket.

[Unstoppabull]

MMA Fighter 9 times out of 10. You always take the professional.

[tgan3]

Once Muggs miss a three, it's over. 3 months training of backing down a midget and dunk. I'd imagine he'd get pretty good at it.

In all of seriousness, Muggsy would win everytime. Let's not talk about 3 months, you can give that random 7 footer 3-5 years and he'll still lose.

Do you know how uncoordinated a regular 7 footer is? I've played with some tall-ass big guys (Not even 7 foot maybe 6'6) and they are slow/and uncoordinated. They won't win period.

[iamgine]

In all of seriousness, Muggsy would win everytime. Let's not talk about 3 months, you can give that random 7 footer 3-5 years and he'll still lose.

Do you know how uncoordinated a regular 7 footer is? I've played with some tall-ass big guys (Not even 7 foot maybe 6'6) and they are slow/and uncoordinated. They won't win period.
Have they got 3 month training from professional coach?

They might look clumsy in a team setting but one on one with a specific tactic they'd win everytime.

[tgan3]

Have they got 3 month training from professional coach?

They might look clumsy in a team setting but one on one with a specific tactic they'd win everytime.

Are you serious? You are comparing an NBA player against some random 7 footer with 3 months training!! Unless its current muggsy bogues you are talking about then no, I don't see some random 7 footer beating prime bogues 1 on 1.

Can shawn bradley even win kobe one on one if you think height its all that matters...?

[iamgine]

Are you serious? You are comparing an NBA player against some random 7 footer with 3 months training!! Unless its current muggsy bogues you are talking about then no, I don't see some random 7 footer beating prime bogues 1 on 1.

Can shawn bradley even win kobe one on one if you think height its all that matters...?
It's not just height. It's also weight and reach. I didn't say random. I said an athletic 7 footer.

Shawn Bradley as a chance but he's not ideal. Someone like Bynum would destroy Kobe or Jordan in one on one.

[hateraid]

I'm with hateraid on this one.

I see way way way too much CARRYOVER between the respective sports to see how this would be a pure annihilation.


Have we not forgotten how much FOCUS, WILLPOWER, DISCIPLINE, DEDICATION, and capacity to ENDURE PAIN anybody who's put on a substantial amount of muscle endures?

... the same amount of principles that make a well-rounded fighter.

If someone like Coleman had done a plethora of:
Power cleans
Overhead Presses
Deadlifts
Squats
Anti-rotation Core Exercises
Planks
HGH/Test to get that chin and jaw bone density up
and had cop training (armbar lock stuff)


Not only would his strength be top notch.. but his speed, power, and defense also.

And you guys are being a bit crazy. Yes, boxing is the toughest cardio sport out there with the exception being triathalon. Yes the amount of max V02 consumed in a wrestling bout is crazy and yes fatigue is definitely an issue for a larger guy...
but have you seen a bodybuilder's cutting hypertrophy high volume low intensity routine? It. Is. NO. Joke. When max rest is 30-45 seconds, you damn well believe the guy is in shape to put up successions of 8-12 reps in whatever he's doing.

Now let's boil it down to the motions.

Imagine his first step acceleration when he's doing a take down. He has 3 months. 90 FUKKING DAYS to perfect his technique. That's about a half ton of leg power stored in those springs. Imagine the strength and elasticity of those tendons, and the impregnable fortress that is his abs.

If he divies up his skills into building the essentials and spends hours and hours dedicating his time to it.
Half-guard
Mount
Standup boxing
A few kicks
with an unorthodox style


Then by good odin's raven's luck the MMA guy may just miscalculate something leaving him vulnerable for a pounding.


Now I still believe that at the VERY LEAST 8-9/10 times the decent MMA fighter is gonna clown him, but absolute destruction? Nah.. the bodybuilder just might get lucky and catch the fella off guard. And he's not going down easy either.

Absolutely.
And I wasn't talking about a 165lb vs 165lb. I was talking about a 165lb MMA fighter vs a 205lb+ body builder. Size is definitely a factor to consider. Inhuman strength and size is an intangible when fighting one on one

When I was training they often put in a guy with inexperience with me who outweighed me by 20 or 30 pounds because the match-up was more balanced. Believe me it's a much more difficult approach to the fight. You have to respect the size and also respect the idea that if he grabs a hold of me I might not be able to outmuscle him.

I would always beat the guy, but it's not like fighting a muscle-head the same weight in which I would have a field day. I don't know where people get this idea where it would be a cakewalk to fight a bigger stronger guy.