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Meticode

10-06-2013, 08:48 AM

I think the driver had time to stop when the guy brake-checked him and didn't. He could have been annoyed with their behavior and thought "I'll show him to brake check me."

But that is just speculation on my part.

I am not sure he's entirely without blame here.

But those guys were looking for trouble
Maybe he had time to stop, maybe he didn't. Let's see how everyone else reacts to having dozens of motorcycles around your vehicle in a close space while you're family is in the car with you.

Draz

10-06-2013, 10:38 AM

Which ones paralyzed? The one that brake checked him? This same group drove by my house before this incident.

Bandito

10-06-2013, 10:46 AM

Which ones paralyzed? The one that brake checked him? This same group drove by my house before this incident.
I think it wasn't the one he brake checked, it was another one.

CeltsGarlic

10-06-2013, 11:22 AM

Bunch of bucket headed hoes.

Zan Tabak

10-06-2013, 12:09 PM

Can't blame the SUV driver. When you got a bunch of punks surrounding your vehicle, smashing it and threatening your family. You have to do what ever it takes to get the he11 out of there.

Having a screaming wife and child in the car probably didn't help the driver with his decision making. He had to do whatever it took to escape the situation. I no doubt would of done the same.

redhonda76

10-06-2013, 06:30 PM

I think the driver had time to stop when the guy brake-checked him and didn't. He could have been annoyed with their behavior and thought "I'll show him to brake check me."

But that is just speculation on my part.

I am not sure he's entirely without blame here.

But those guys were looking for trouble

People says the SUV driver could have brake to stop during the brake-check. but they fail to realize that the SUV braking does not stop like the bikes. Plus, the SUV did break, if he didn't ,the biker would have flew off.

dude77

10-07-2013, 02:26 AM

the facebook page "justice for jay mezee" kind of backfired on them.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619

:oldlol: taken down already ..

not good for the guy's family, but with his reckless past he was practically asking for something like this to happen ..

as for this incident .. the only people to blame here are the bikers .. if they ride on their merry way, nothing happens .. a guy in his car with a wife and a young child wants no part in any confrontation with a large group of bikers ..

it's plain and simple .. they brake checked him .. forced him to stop and basically had him detained and surrounded in a threatening manner because he had no path to drive off .. this is ALL on the bikers ..

lol@anyone suing Lien .. Lien should be the one suing the bikers including that darwin award participant who's paralyzed

gigantes

10-07-2013, 02:58 AM

working conclusion: the guy who got run over was a miserable human being who somehow, almost magically, got involved due to random circumstance. well, hey, what a nasty break. :(

BRabbiT

10-07-2013, 07:46 AM

what an ugly situation.

BRabbiT

10-07-2013, 08:15 AM

[QUOTE]
A fourth biker has been arraigned, police in New York said Sunday as investigators called for help in locating two more bikers connected with the attack.

Reginald Chance, 37, allegedly used his helmet to smash through the front window of Alexian Lien

I<3NBA

10-07-2013, 12:38 PM

hardwood legend, you are a fkng douchebag.

rezznor

10-07-2013, 01:33 PM

....
classy guy

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1394031_590569114334712_230468549_n.jpg
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/biker-in-nyc-assault-catches-break-from-judge-flips-off-reporters/

rezznor

10-07-2013, 01:46 PM

[QUOTE]NEW YORK

-p.tiddy-

10-07-2013, 01:49 PM

classy guy

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/07/biker-in-nyc-assault-catches-break-from-judge-flips-off-reporters/
[QUOTE]Chance

Blue&Orange

10-07-2013, 03:05 PM

:oldlol: taken down already ..

not good for the guy's family, but with his reckless past he was practically asking for something like this to happen ..

as for this incident .. the only people to blame here are the bikers .. if they ride on their merry way, nothing happens .. a guy in his car with a wife and a young child wants no part in any confrontation with a large group of bikers ..

it's plain and simple .. they brake checked him .. forced him to stop and basically had him detained and surrounded in a threatening manner because he had no path to drive off .. this is ALL on the bikers ..

If only Zimmy left Trayvon martin go on his merry way and didn't force the confrontation. Thankfully he had a gun, bikers had only helmets.

2LeTTeRS

10-07-2013, 03:51 PM

So wait; this guy doesn't lay a hand on the driver and gets the most serious charges to date? I get that without him brake checking the SUV none of this happens; but this seems excessive.

rezznor

10-07-2013, 03:57 PM

So wait; this guy doesn't lay a hand on the driver and gets the most serious charges to date? I get that but for him brake checking the SUV none of this happens; but this seems excessive.
he's the guy who smashed the window. it's an assault and he has priors

BRabbiT

10-08-2013, 08:53 AM

The NYPD is investigating whether some of its police officers were present, a department spokesman told the Los Angeles Times on Monday.

The spokesman would not confirm media reports that as many as three off-duty officers were present during the Sept. 29 attack.

"What I can tell you is it's under investigation by internal affairs," said the spokesman, Sgt. Lee Jones, who declined to give any further details.

CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, a former NY deputy police commissioner, reported that one of the three off-duty officers thought to be accompanying the bikers was a detective working undercover who was possibly afraid to blow his cover to break up the attack.

Miller hinted that the undercover officer might be in hot water after waiting four days after the attack to come forward to his superiors. According to the AP, undercover officers are supposed to immediately report witnessing a crime.

Miller also reported that the other two officers were a sergeant and an undercover internal affairs detective who may face disciplinary measures of their own.

"Here's the problem they're going to face, which is whatever they did or didn't do that day is one issue, but not coming forward right away actually could rise to official misconduct for hindering an investigation once they were aware of it, and that's a potential criminal charge," Miller said on Monday.

At least three motorcyclists have been charged so far in the incident.

The incident was reportedly under investigation by a grand jury.

The motorcyclist who recorded the video of the incident and uploaded it to YouTube, Kevin Bresloff, has since received death threats, his attorney told NBC's New York affiliate; Bresloff was reportedly cooperating with the investigation.

The man credited with helping stop the attack, bystander Sergio Consuegra, told reporters on Sunday, "I say to them, 'That's it, guys. Let it go, man. Let it go. That's it. Just go, man. That's it.' So we stood at each other, looking at each other's faces, and somehow, they stopped right in front of me."

Cruz was later charged with misdemeanor second-degree unlawful imprisonment and reckless driving.

A second motorcylist, Robert Sims, 35, was charged with first-degree assault, gang assault and weapons possession.

Lien has not been charged.

LINK (http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-motorcycle-arraigned-20131006,0,5732814.story)

Godzuki

10-08-2013, 12:07 PM

i can't believe the nerve of that guy who used his helmet to smash the car window gave everyone the finger in court.

and Gloria Allred with Meesz's wife on Piers Morgan last night was ridiculous. if you haven't seen it you have to see the argument they're making of how its Liens fault, and what he should have done in that situation. they act like there was nothing threatening for the driver and his family in that situation. Gloria Allred is such a slimy lawyer its unbelievable.

SCREWstonRockets

10-08-2013, 12:10 PM

Can't believe that c unt Gloria Allred can defend mr paralyzed with a straight face

Kensta

10-08-2013, 12:30 PM

Admitting that she was not there when the incident occurred, Dayana Mejia acknowledged that the situation was likely scary for all parties involved:

"I can't blame anyone. I can understand why he [Lien] was scared, but at the end of the day my husband parked his vehicle on a kick-stand, to get off, to try to help the situation, tell everyone to move on, 'let's just go, let's get with it, let's ignore it."

So did Edwin Mieses tell her this is what happened in his induced a coma state, or is there witnesses backing this statement up?

Godzuki

10-08-2013, 12:41 PM

So did Edwin Mieses tell her this is what happened in his induced a coma state, or is there witnesses backing this statement up?

she said the same thing when he was in a coma, and everyone only had the video to go by. she also said in the Piers Morgan interview last night she only had the video to see what happened like everyone else or something to that effect.

her and Gloria Allred are making up so much crap tho. they even said they had witness proof that Lien hit two bikers prior to the video clip twice like he was driving like a maniac, but if you watch the clip everyone is watching early on, none of the bikers indicate something like that happened where they were just passing that SUV by until Cruz brake stopped on it. she wouldn't even acknowledge Meesz's past criminal record, not having a license, etc. or the idea he shouldn't have even been on the road. Piers Morgan sort of punked them tho, i know they had to be pissed after that interview since he didn't give them much time and was all up on their story of events/justifications.

Kensta

10-08-2013, 01:06 PM

she said the same thing when he was in a coma, and everyone only had the video to go by. she also said in the Piers Morgan interview last night she only had the video to see what happened like everyone else or something to that effect.

her and Gloria Allred are making up so much crap tho. they even said they had witness proof that Lien hit two bikers prior to the video clip twice like he was driving like a maniac, but if you watch the clip everyone is watching early on, none of the bikers indicate something like that happened where they were just passing that SUV by until Cruz brake stopped on it. she wouldn't even acknowledge Meesz's past criminal record, not having a license, etc. or the idea he shouldn't have even been on the road. Piers Morgan sort of punked them tho, i know they had to be pissed after that interview since he didn't give them much time and was all up on their story of events/justifications.

I remember she first claimed that Mieses got off his bike to help the injured.
Then this link came out. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php
Now they claim he was there trying to calm everyone down. Her story keeps changing.

InfiniteBaskets

10-08-2013, 10:34 PM

Not sure if this was posted yet but looks like one of the undercover cops that was part of the bike gang pounded on the SUV... :facepalm

It's one thing when cops are too scared to help despite the intervention of random civilians. But this cop decided to aggravate the situation instead. "B-b-but it would help me get closer to the gang!"

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/bikers-attack-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

New York (CNN) -- New York police have arrested one of their own on riot and criminal mischief charges in connection with the September 29 attack on an SUV driver in New York City, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

Wojciech Braszczok, a 32-year-old detective in the New York Police Department who was off-duty at the time, is allegedly shown on a video pounding on the Range Rover as it drove amid a sea of motorcyclists on the city's West Side Highway, according to the official. That video is now in investigators' hands.

It is is not clear if the detective participated in the beating of the vehicle's driver that followed.

Both charges Braszczok faces are felonies, according to the law enforcement official.

bdreason

10-08-2013, 10:48 PM

Patrick Chewing

10-08-2013, 11:01 PM

What's the story behind the undercovers?? They were trying to form a case against these guys?

rezznor

10-08-2013, 11:10 PM

What's the story behind the undercovers?? They were trying to form a case against these guys?
just taking a shot in the dark but maybe they were after them for stealing morotcycles

Godzuki

10-08-2013, 11:31 PM

I actually have no problem with the undercovers "banging on the SUV", or the fact they didn't come forward right away. These guys have probably spent months trying to get close to this gang, and unless their testimony was needed for conviction, I see no reason to blow their cover. I doubt either cop thought the situation would escalate like it did... these bikers probably harass people on the streets all the time.

Keep in mind these cops were puting their lives on the line to infiltrate this gang, in order to build a case against some of these guys. My guess is that these bikers are probably involved in all kinds of organized crime.

he wouldn't be blowing his cover for reporting that to his superior, which he is supposed to do anyways if he's undercover.

i'm also not sure he was undercover for that bike club, more than him being a undercover cop but off duty and liesurely being with that bike club. i think i read somewhere he was off duty tho.

i also dont think they all really knew each other, and they got together thru someone organizing it. i could be wrong about that but more than a few of them have said they don't know some of the others.

honestly i can see why they would spazz if they didn't see how Cruz brake checked the guy causing it, and only saw the aftermath of Lien running them over. thats is sort of where its hard to fault some of them for going nuts but you still don't get forceful like that with a family inside that car with a 2 yr old. and supposedly they have other footage of the beatdown on the guy when he was already knocked out that also shows the cop hitting the car. there were a lot of people who didn't seem to get involved, so its not like the cop had to do that. and theres supposedly another cop who might be involved.

InfiniteBaskets

10-08-2013, 11:44 PM

There's different reports with different info, but there's supposedly at least two off-duty officers and one or more officers that were undercover. Although, not sure which were actually part of the chase, and which were there during the beatdown.

But the it was the off-duty officer who was arrested for pounding on the vehicle, not an undercover cop. Now, even if all the off-duty officer saw was one of his biker buddies get run over, there's no reason to take justice into your own hands. Especially if you are a cop and are familiar with the consequences of what may happen.

What if instead of just getting his face sliced, the driver got his throat slit? Then he's part of a gang murder rather than gang assault. What if the wife had been dragged out and beaten because no civilian intervened? What if the baby was dropped on it head and died? Too much to leave to chance when you are an officer and you see the law working against criminals in gang violence all day.

If you don't want to stop it, at least don't take part in it. The undercover cop says he waited 4 days to report the incident rather than right away because he didn't want to blow his cover? How would a 4 day wait somehow negate his cover being blown while the next day wouldn't? Was he sleeping over with all the bikers for the 4 days following the event? How convenient he seemingly reported the incident only after the video had gone viral.

Draz

10-09-2013, 12:04 AM

Slit all their fcking throats. I want to see pictures of all these idiots. I hope and pray they get what's coming to them. This is disturbing and I hope justice rains down on them all. A lot could of happened and this was just so bad.

9erempiree

10-09-2013, 12:48 AM

Young and attractive couple in a 100k Range Rover.

A bunch of mischiefs breaking traffic laws.

Broke and poor minorities spots Range Rover. Decides to start trouble. That's how I see it. It was an easy target.

The bikers thought they were bad @ss till they rolled up against someone more alpha and successful. Egos get hurt from both parties.

His truck can buy a whole bunch of motorcycles and the other party has a bunch of thugs. Nobody is backing down.

rezznor

10-09-2013, 11:02 AM

social media, youtube, etc has been great for catching idiots

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1385943_10201575910952112_1532030551_n.jpg

Godzuki

10-09-2013, 11:38 AM

Heres the Piers Morgan interview i was talking about. it doesn't show the whole thing which sucks because they cut out the part where the wife acts like there was no reason the family should've felt threatened.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/10/08/pmt-intv-gloria-allred-and-wife-of-nyc-biker-hit-by-suv.cnn.html

damn still no embedding here? just linked it then.

MadeFromDust

10-09-2013, 11:14 PM

social media, youtube, etc has been great for catching idiots

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1385943_10201575910952112_1532030551_n.jpg
wow. eyewitness testimony right there. slam dunk case on both criminal and civil sides

MadeFromDust

10-09-2013, 11:15 PM

And what kind of coward is it that has a badge and not only does not help the victims, but JOINS IN on the beating!?!

9erempiree

10-09-2013, 11:40 PM

BrooklynZoo

10-09-2013, 11:48 PM

just taking a shot in the dark but maybe they were after them for stealing morotcycles

unless some other info came out, the earlier reports said that they were off duty and they were not investigating so it sounded like this had nothing to do with their work

9erempiree

10-10-2013, 12:04 AM

You're either "undercover" or "off duty" and in this instance I think the cops were off duty.

They will be in trouble for this.

MavsSuperFan

10-10-2013, 01:56 AM

what i still dont understand was why the bikers posted the original video. I dont think it makes them sympathetic

9erempiree

10-10-2013, 02:00 AM

what i still dont understand was why the bikers posted the original video. I dont think it makes them sympathetic

They're not sympathetic to the family of the Range Rover. It was first believed that the ride was organized by a guy that calls himself Hollywood Stuntz. In an interview he claims that it wasn't his group that was riding.

He then went on and said he visited the paralyzed motorcyclist and felt sympathy for the guy but he never even said he felt sympathy for the man in the Ranger Rover. He could of said that the incident didn't represent all bikers and that he feels bad for them.

At least the Hell's Angel came out and said they felt bad for the tragedy towards the Range Rover family.

MavsSuperFan

10-10-2013, 02:02 AM

They're not sympathetic to the family of the Range Rover. It was first believed that the ride was organized by a guy that calls himself Hollywood Stuntz. In an interview he claims that it wasn't his group that was riding.

He then went on and said he visited the paralyzed motorcyclist and felt sympathy for the guy but he never even said he felt sympathy for the man in the Ranger Rover. He could of said that the incident didn't represent all bikers and that he feels bad for them.

At least the Hell's Angel came out and said they felt bad for the tragedy towards the Range Rover family.
Ya thats my point, why post the video. it almost completely makes the case for the SUV driver. How do you as one of the bikers not watch that video and immediately delete it.

AintNoSunshine

10-10-2013, 09:43 AM

Just a terrible terrible day for the man and his family, sometimes shiit just fall out of nowhere.

InfiniteBaskets

10-10-2013, 10:07 AM

You're either "undercover" or "off duty" and in this instance I think the cops were off duty.

They will be in trouble for this.

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-wojciech-braszczok-meet-undercover-cop-who-took-part-nyc-biker-gang-assault-suv-driver-photos

He was not an undercover cop infiltrating the motorcycle gang. His role as an officer was an undercover cop. His most recent big stint was infiltrating the occupy wall street movement.

Knowing this, I can totally see why it was necessary for him smash in the rear window of the SUV in order not to blow his cover. Those terribly dangerous occupy wall street protesters would have accepted nothing short of open violence from a random motorcycle gang.

At the very least, this guy will get fired. But not sure if they'll actually get him on any big charges though. Originally they had said lying about his situation was a felony, but I didn't see him being charged for it.

rezznor

10-10-2013, 10:56 AM

Ya thats my point, why post the video. it almost completely makes the case for the SUV driver. How do you as one of the bikers not watch that video and immediately delete it.
they did delete it, and all the videos posted about the ride that day, but ppl made copies before he did. the bikers posted it b/c they thought it was cool, just look at the attitude presented in that twitter feed. they are idiots for posting and the suv driver should be happy for that.

Godzuki

10-10-2013, 06:13 PM

they did delete it, and all the videos posted about the ride that day, but ppl made copies before he did. the bikers posted it b/c they thought it was cool, just look at the attitude presented in that twitter feed. they are idiots for posting and the suv driver should be happy for that.

yeah supposedly that guy who posted it posted a lot of videos of them doing tricks in the middle of the roads and on sidewalks and stuff, including the viral one, but tried to take them down once it went viral, but something called Livestream? had already taken it and put it up on their own servers or something once it got popular before he could get away with deleting it all.

Godzuki

10-10-2013, 06:17 PM

I dislike Piers but this was great.

Piers can make a good lawyer himself.

yeah i used to hate Piers since he was so arrogant and smug, but lately between this and the shutdown interviews he's had, i really like how one sided he is lol(in his defense he doesn't tolerate a lot of the BS either) :oldlol:

i wish there was a full clip of that interview out there since it doesn't show everything, and Piers punked them at the end of the interview where he basically cuts them off and barely got to say their side where you can tell they were pissed. theres more stuff the wife/lawyer said too that was ridiculous blaming the SUV driver.

millwad

10-10-2013, 06:45 PM

yeah i used to hate Piers since he was so arrogant and smug, but lately between this and the shutdown interviews he's had, i really like how one sided he is lol(in his defense he doesn't tolerate a lot of the BS either) :oldlol:

i wish there was a full clip of that interview out there since it doesn't show everything, and Piers punked them at the end of the interview where he basically cuts them off and barely got to say their side where you can tell they were pissed. theres more stuff the wife/lawyer said too that was ridiculous blaming the SUV driver.

You're amazing, Godzuki.

rezznor

10-10-2013, 08:44 PM

9erempiree

10-10-2013, 10:38 PM

I think the suv family is making a mistake by not giving interviews. although it's obvious that the bikers are in the wrong, they have put on a full out media blitz to slant the events into their favor. it could prejudice the jury pool in their favor since the family hasn't gone on record refuting all these accusations (aside from one brief statement)

they need to get their version out there.

They don't need to come out at all. Jury in their favor? They are not charged.

rezznor

10-11-2013, 12:07 AM

They don't need to come out at all. Jury in their favor? They are not charged.
for the upcoming civil suit...

BallsOut

10-11-2013, 02:11 AM

His pride in that he didn't want to let them pass. He could have easily avoided contact with that first idiot. I've had more abrupt halts I didn't see coming in front of me on the freeway than that.

:oldlol: at this dumbass. Watch the video before you blindly post speculations instead of what actually happens.

There were 20+ motorcycles on the freeway and that one SUV which was in the far right lane. It's pretty easy for anyone that can actually operate a motorcycle to pass the SUV on the left two lanes. But that's not what the gang wanted. They were looking for trouble, hence surrounding the SUV and brake checking him.

RocketGreatness, the only dumbass trying to rationalize the pathetic actions of a motorcycle gang against a scared man trying to protect himself and his family as being the fault of the SUV driver's pride. :coleman:

BRabbiT

10-11-2013, 08:47 AM

[QUOTE]
Four bikers should learn Friday whether a grand jury will indict them in connection with the motorcycle road rage incident last month.

Among them is undercover NYPD detective Wojciech Braszczok, who is accused of being a key player in the attack.

On Thursday, a seventh biker was arraigned in the case.

James Kuehne has been released on $200,000 bond after being charged with gang assault and other offenses. He didn

redhonda76

10-11-2013, 09:19 AM

I think the suv family is making a mistake by not giving interviews. although it's obvious that the bikers are in the wrong, they have put on a full out media blitz to slant the events into their favor. it could prejudice the jury pool in their favor since the family hasn't gone on record refuting all these accusations (aside from one brief statement)

they need to get their version out there.

It's probably on the advice of the SUV lawyers to not to give any interviews, fearing any potential information that will result in any favorable money in the civil suit. Plus the media and the public is on their favor.

Godzuki

10-11-2013, 12:06 PM

...

Cruz's lawyer is saying he was slowing down to make a lane change, which is why he supposedly looked back both ways(even tho he was staring directly at the SUV), and supposedly NOT brake checking the SUV like everyone thinks...

Mieses lawyer is saying Lien's reaction was above and beyond what is rationale in that situation so Lien is at fault/liable running them over. She had the nerve to argue since Lien wasn't on his bike at the time of being run over, the fact that he didn't have a valid license to be on the road is irrelevant :facepalm

so many slimy lawyers...

Rameek

10-11-2013, 12:29 PM

for the upcoming civil suit...
That's not how civil cases work. Its only about reasonable expectation. The Lein family really doesnt have to do or say nothing. If your premise is the biker would sue them civilly I can guarantee the Lein family should sue any and everyone.

In criminal cases that would be the situation hence all the defense attorneys are out doing media blitzes making wild accusations and trying to get momentum.

rezznor

10-11-2013, 12:50 PM

That's not how civil cases work. Its only about reasonable expectation. The Lein family really doesnt have to do or say nothing. If your premise is the biker would sue them civilly I can guarantee the Lein family should sue any and everyone.

In criminal cases that would be the situation hence all the defense attorneys are out doing media blitzes making wild accusations and trying to get momentum.
no, i'm talking about the biker's media blitz tainting the Lien's to potential jurors beforehand to make them sympathetic to mieze.