Why Mel Gibson is rejected while Polanski and Woody Allen gets a pass?

[lakers_forever]

You see celebrities rejecting to work with Mel Gibson (even those morons from crappy hangover 2 did not want him in their film), boycotting him because he said stupid racial and gay slurs and other stupid things, had a DUI and was violented toward her woman...

On the other hand, you see people like David Lynch, Almodovar, Natalie Portman, Johnny Depp, Martin Scorcese and Tilda Switon signing petitions on behalf of Roman Polanski. Several actors eager to work with him. He gets Oscars and Standing ovations... They all don't care that he raped and sodomized a 13 old girl...

Woody Allen... Same thing. Married his stepdaughter (raised as his adoptive daughter) and allegedly abused his stepdaugher Dylan Farrow when she was only 7 years old.

Now, anyone can see that Polanski and Allen did much worse things than Mel Gibson.

Why the different criteria? Why do they get a pass? I get that they make wonderful movies, but Mel Gibson also is a great actor and talented director....

Why the double standard?

[HardwoodLegend]

It probably comes down to the fact that Jews run Hollywood and a difference in personalities. People recognize that what Allen and Polanski did was wrong, but they're generally docile dudes who are easier to be around. Gibson is hot-headed, mercurial and could snap at any instant. That may have something to do with how eager others are to work with them.

[DukeDelonte13]

i think they are all rejected. Woody Allen is a sexual predator, Polanksi is too, but being an anti semite in an industry that is 99% jewish run is gonna get you black listed.

[rezznor]

i think they are all rejected. Woody Allen is a sexual predator, Polanksi is too, but being an anti semite in an industry that is 99% jewish run is gonna get you black listed.
pretty much this

[riseagainst]

because life is not fair.

[ILLsmak]

I like Mel. He and like Harrison Ford are a little far on the alpha/psychopath scale, but I think that's cool. Those guys need some shit. I'd much rather see a slightly psychopathic alpha male than some guy, like you said, who is a sexual predator.

Hollywood needs more strong personalities. Of course so does bball. A lot of people get pissed about that, but I don't care.

I prefer working w/ strong personalities because I know they aren't gonna get all emo when shit doesn't go their way.

But yea... lol dude sodomizing a child, that's ****ed up. Especially cuz he drugged her and raped her. Nobody is that much of a genius.

I got DA GIFT for spotting geniuses, and he ain't it. He's seems intelligent, but he's also an actor. (as in his life is a lie.) Woody Allen, tho, the argument could be made that he is a genius.

-Smak

[senelcoolidge]

Certain people get a pass. It's just like Alec Baldwin gets a pass when he yells gay slurs, but someone else like that southern cooking lady says the "n" word years ago gets destroyed. Hollywood is a disgusting place. It depends on which circles you run with.

[HardwoodLegend]

I got DA GIFT for spotting geniuses, and he ain't it.

Elaborate.

How did you come to determine Polanski isn't a genius? And, what does Polanski or Allen being a genius have to do with the topic? Both are highly praised for their work and have been considered "creative geniuses" at some point.

[1987_Lakers]

i think they are all rejected. Woody Allen is a sexual predator, Polanksi is too, but being an anti semite in an industry that is 99% jewish run is gonna get you black listed.
pretty much

[DCL]

cuz hollywood is run and financed by the group that gibson insulted the most.

but child rapists? the hollywood execs do that while snorting pounds of cocaine every weekend anyway, so it's cool.

yup, stereotypes are off the charts in this thread.

[Nick Young]

Woody Allen is a goddamn genius that's why.


Polanski is pretty good but not on the same level of all time great genius. I personally don't give him a pass.

[Derka]

i think they are all rejected. Woody Allen is a sexual predator, Polanksi is too, but being an anti semite in an industry that is 99% jewish run is gonna get you black listed.
Perfectly stated

[Sarcastic]

Mel Gibson is a hateful person. It's hard to embrace and stand behind people that are filled with hate.

I am not sure Polanski and Allen are fully embraced either. They have some people in their corner, but so does Mel Gibson.

[HardwoodLegend]

Polanski is pretty good but not on the same level of all time great genius. I personally don't give him a pass.

Knife in the Water
Repulsion
Rosemary's Baby
Chinatown

Polanski's a notch above "pretty good". If you don't want to call him great, you have to at least call him "very damn good".

[KingBeasley08]

Cause the people Gibson insulted run Hollywood. In a fair world, Polonski woulda been killed by Aryan Brotherhood long time ago and Allen would be facing time

[Nick Young]

Knife in the Water
Repulsion
Rosemary's Baby
Chinatown

Polanski's a notch above "pretty good". If you don't want to call him great, you have to at least call him "very damn good".
He's pretty good in comparison to Woody Allen

[FatComputerNerd]

Woody Allen is a creep.

Who marries their daughter (adopted or not) who they raised? :biggums:

[HardwoodLegend]

Woody Allen is a creep.

Who marries their daughter (adopted or not) who they raised? :biggums:

I wonder how much of a hand he had in raising her though. He works tirelessly on project after project, so I'm curious about the time spent.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I wonder how much of a hand he had in raising her though. He works tirelessly on project after project, so I'm curious about the time spent.

Would it be more acceptable to marry her if he spent less time with his daughter?

[HardwoodLegend]

He's pretty good in comparison to Woody Allen

It's closer than that.

Polanski is a superior visual artist/overall filmmaker and makes more complex plots. Allen specializes in insanely clever comedic dialogue and quirky situations that his fantastically casted actors give life to.

[HardwoodLegend]

Would it be more acceptable to marry her if he spent less time with his daughter?

Actually it would if they never developed any sort of father/daughter bond.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Actually it would if they never developed any sort of father/daughter bond.

Interesting. Very unique circumstances most certainly.

None-the-less Woody is a creep and a scumball for leaving his wife for his daughter.

[HardwoodLegend]

Interesting. Very unique circumstances most certainly.

None-the-less Woody is a creep and a scumball for leaving his wife for his daughter.

Definitely an awkward transition and weird concept in general, but I have no knowledge of the nature of their interaction or how much time they spent together so it's hard for me to judge.

[Nick Young]

It's closer than that.

Polanski is a superior visual artist/overall filmmaker and makes more complex plots. Allen specializes in insanely clever comedic dialogue and quirky situations that his fantastically casted actors give life to.
Allen is a better visual director as well, you probably just don't give him credit due to his reputation as a comedian, which Lena Dunham is helping to drag through the dirt now by constantly comparing herself to him.

Just look at Manhattan, Love and Death or Crimes and Misdemeanors, nothing Polanski shot is close to those movies.

I don't know how many Woody Allen movies you have seen, but it seems like not very many, you are only repeating the untrue stereotypes.



This is like a comparison of Jeff Hornacek to Michael Jordan.

Polanski is Hornacek, Allen is Jordan.

[HarryCallahan]

The jews.

[HarryCallahan]

Gibson is by far the best of the 3

by far

Fvckin' A.

Apocolypto/Get the Gringo>>>>>> Anything by Polanski or Allen

[Dasher]

Certain people get a pass. It's just like Alec Baldwin gets a pass when he yells gay slurs, but someone else like that southern cooking lady says the "n" word years ago gets destroyed. Hollywood is a disgusting place. It depends on which circles you run with.
Saying The "n" world is the most benign thing Paula Deen admitted to on the stand. If it was just the "n" word and if her ratings weren't dipping she would've survived the whole ordeal. Things like enabling her brother's romps with underage girls in her employ, enabling her brother's blatant viewing of porn while on the clock, paying Black workers much less and making them enter through designated "negro" doors is what did her in.

In today's day and age you can apologize your way out of a decades old slip of the tongue. The other stuff from a sponsor standpoint are unforgivable sins. She's lucky the media was lazy and pushed the "n" word angle instead of the racist/sexist/statutory rape-filled workplace angle. People who love her will cling to the "n" word angle and think people are too sensitive and the rappers say it and she'll rise like a phoenix.

[Dasher]

Mel is rejected because he's not a draw anymore. If he were still a draw his hatred of Jews and wishing that his ex get raped by a "pack of n**gers" would've been forgiven.

[HarryCallahan]

Mel is rejected because he's not a draw anymore. If he were still a draw his hatred of Jews and wishing that his ex get raped by a "pack of n**gers" would've been forgiven.

Nothing to do with him not being a draw. Apocalypto and Get the Gringo were both critical and commercial successes. The guy is the undisputed #2 Actor/Director of all time (Clint is #1).

[HarryCallahan]

Who you got Prof? Azzlick? Kevin Smith? Gus Van Sant was in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, so he might qualify?

[KevinNYC]

Woody Allen... Same thing. Married his stepdaughter (raised as his adoptive daughter)
Not exactly true


and allegedly abused his stepdaugher Dylan Farrow when she was only 7 years old.

Alleged during an incredibly hostile custody fight and later determined by the police not to have occurred.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/doctor-cites-inconsistencies-in-dylan-farrow-s-statements.html

the hospital team that was asked by the Connecticut State Police to investigate the claim that Mr. Allen molested Dylan last August at Miss Farrow's summer home in Connecticut ...told Mr. Allen and Miss Farrow on March 18 that it had concluded that Dylan was not molested, but the transcript gives the first look at the thinking behind that finding.

Dylan's statements in interviews at the hospital contradicted each other and the story she told on a videotape made by Miss Farrow, Dr. Leventhal said. "Those were not minor inconsistencies," he said. "She told us initially that she hadn't been touched in the ******l area, and she then told us that she had, then she told us that she hadn't." 'Intense Relationship'

The doctor suggested a connection between Miss Farrow's outrage over Mr. Allen's affair with her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Farrow Previn, and the accusation made by Dylan, who he said was unusually protective of her mother. "It's quite possible -- as a matter of fact, we think it's medically probable -- that she stuck to that story over time because of the intense relationship she had with her mother," he said.

Even before the claim of abuse was made last August, he said, "The view of Mr. Allen as an evil and awful and terrible man permeated the household. The view that he had molested Soon-Yi and was a potential molester of Dylan permeated the household."

Dr. Leventhal said it was "very striking" that each time Dylan spoke of the abuse, she coupled it with "one, her father's relationship with Soon-Yi, and two, the fact that it was her poor mother, her poor mother," who had lost a career in Mr. Allen's films.

He also said it was possible that Miss Farrow encouraged her child to fabricate simply by videotaping her telling the story, because Dylan liked to perform.


I think Allen gets a pass because

A. the abuse of the 7 year old never happened
B. He and Soon-Yi are still married 22 years later.

If it was determined by the police that Polanski never drugged the girl, his rep would be higher too.

[Horde of Temujin]

Woody and Roman should be dead like all pedophiles.
Mel is an idiot and an asshole but he is not nearly as bad as the other two.

[KevinNYC]

Also maybe if Mel Gibson wrote a good role for Mia Farrow, I could cut him some slack. Until then, I'll watch Rosemary's Baby or Broadway Danny Rose instead.

[Scoooter]

Mel went after the Jews, which is a big no-no in Hollywood. It's frowned-upon in most places, actually, but especially Hollywood.

The support Polanski gets is creepy. I wonder how they'd feel about letting him baby-sit?

[HarryCallahan]

Has anybody seen the chick that Polanski got head from? More well developed than Ariana Grande, Hayden Panatierre, Chloe Moretz etc.

He got blown by an overly sexual 14(?) year old, worse things have happened.

[lakers_forever]

Not exactly true


How is it not exactly true? See what his own Son, Ronan Farrow*, said about it:
Woody Allen's son has slammed his father - saying he can never forgive him for marrying his own adopted daughter. Seamus Farrow has branded the film director "immoral" after he married Soon-Yi Previn, who Allen's ex-lover, Mia Farrow, adopted when she was seven years old. Seamus, Allen's only biological son with Mia, said: "He's my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression. I cannot see him. I cannot have a relationship with my father and be morally consistent." Allen, who is 35 years older than Soon-Yi, justifies his relationship with his young wife on the grounds that she is not his real daughter. But Seamus, 18, has blasted that justification, saying that it is an "insult" to other children who have been adopted. He said: "I lived with all these adopted children, so they are my family. To say Soon-Yi was not my sister is an insult to all adopted children."

Mia adopted Soon-Yi with ex-husband Andre Previn in 1980 but they split soon after and Mia began her relationship with Allen.

However, they broke-up in 1992 when she found nude photographs of Soon-Yi, then 19, on the mantelpiece of Allen's Manhattan apartment.

Mia has never forgiven Allen for the affair, once saying: "It was such a sense of betrayal. Soon-Yi was a kid on the streets of Korea. She was seven when Woody met her."

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Woody+Allen2269.html#ixzz2gf7dbIPB

Dude is a perveted sick f***. Married the girl he raised since she was 7.









* A very bright young man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Farrow

[Rose'sACL]

Not exactly true



Alleged during an incredibly hostile custody fight and later determined by the police not to have occurred.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyregion/doctor-cites-inconsistencies-in-dylan-farrow-s-statements.html



I think Allen gets a pass because

A. the abuse of the 7 year old never happened
B. He and Soon-Yi are still married 22 years later.

If it was determined by the police that Polanski never drugged the girl, his rep would be higher too.
There are some things that should be off-limits. marrying your daughter(even if adopted) or any friends of your daughter should just never happen.
It is just too easy for a lot of men to make their daughters or any young girl who spends a lot of time with them to fall in love with them.
You must be a really big allen fan to write such things.
Jews run Hollywood and woody is a Jew. It is that simple. anyone who has worked in that industry or has a very close friend/relative who works in that industry will tell you the same.

[lakers_forever]

If it was determined by the police that Polanski never drugged the girl, his rep would be higher too.

Why? He would still be a rapist. You can't have sex with 13 year old girls.
And he did drug her.


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This man gets standing ovations by Hollywood's elite, while even shitty actors from crappy hangover 2 reject Mel Gibson... :wtf:

The full little girl testemony here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/polanski-predator

[lakers_forever]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0720051polanski3.gif

Just to show she was indeed just 13 years old. I wonder how all those actors who signed the petition to release him would feel if Polanski did that to their daughters...

[DukeDelonte13]

The full little girl testemony here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/polanski-predator[/QUOTE]


i only read two pages of that but that sh*t is gut churning. What a sick individual.

[KingBeasley08]

Yup I wouldn't even be upset if King Obama had Polanski assassinated just to send a message to Hollywood. Major sicko

And Woody Allen is also one fvcked up dude

Gimme an anti-Semite over the guy who married his own daughter

[KevinNYC]

Why? He would still be a rapist. You can't have sex with 13 year old girls.
And he did drug her.


I know that. My point was he was guilty and it wasn't just statutory. Even if she was 25, drugging women to have sex with them is rape.

The situation between this incident and Allen/Dylan Farrow one are not comparable and there was a reason Polanski was arrested and Allen wasn't.

[KevinNYC]

Dude is a perveted sick f***. Married the girl he raised since she was 7.

Woody Allen didn't raise her. She never lived with him. When she was 7 she was adopted by Mia Farrow and her husband at the time, Andre Previn. A couple of years later, they divorced and the next year Farrow started dating Allen. So he definitely knew since she was about 10, but they became involved when she 20 years old.


There are some things that should be off-limits. marrying your daughter(even if adopted) or any friends of your daughter should just never happen.

She's not his adopted daughter. Soon-Yi's take on their affair at the time was this (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920825&slug=1509282)


`I Was Never Remotely Close To Woody'
Time Magazine
In an interview with Time magazine, Soon-Yi Previn defends her relationship with Woody Allen.

Q. How old are you?

A. This October I will be 22. Look at my driver's license and passport. I was not raped, molested or manipulated as Mia has hysterically charged, nor am I retarded or mentally slow as she would have you believe. I am at college majoring in psychology, and although she cut off all my education funds and living money, I have made arrangements to complete my studies and graduate.

Q. Did you consider Woody Allen to be a father figure?

A. To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable. My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they're not even my real parents. I came to America when I was 7. I was never remotely close to Woody. He was someone who was devoted exclusively to his own children and to his work, and we never spent a moment together. We rarely ever spoke, and were polite but uninterested in one another. The fact is I really had no interest in knowing him better, nor he me.

Q. When did your relationship change?

A. When I was 20 and he had no one to go to a basketball game with and I wanted to see one. By that time his relationship with Mia was long done, and they were going through the motions. They were friendly but rarely went out, and apart from when they worked together or played with their children, had little to do with one another.

Q. What is your relationship with Mia Farrow?

A. I don't go home because Mia can be and has been violent toward me. I will not go into details, but her treatment of me was hardly maternal, even given our current problems. She is not who she pretends to be, certainly not the kind of mother (people think), and while my brothers and sisters are still dependent on her, they will say things and pretend to feelings I know full well not to be true. There is no question I owe Mia a great deal for adopting me. For that gesture I still love her. But responsibility does not stop at the act of adopting. I truly regret Mia chose to burden all the children with these adult problems.

He did later adopt children with Mia and this was justifiably a scandal. But you're thinking he was far more involved in her life than he was.

The fact that she was an adult when this began and the fact they seem to still be in a healthy relationship makes this something less than an abomination to me.

And it has zero to do with him being a Jew which is just stupid.

[lakers_forever]

He did later adopt children with Mia and this was justifiably a scandal. But you're thinking he was far more involved in her life than he was.

The fact that she was an adult when this began and the fact they seem to still be in a healthy relationship makes this something less than an abomination to me.

And it has zero to do with him being a Jew which is just stupid.

Interesting post. But I still see it as deeply immoral. I mean it's his son's sister, a girl raised with his children and who he knew since she was a child, for Christ's sake.

Of course it's not as bad as Polanski (who commited a crime), but still worse than Mel Gibson.

I never said aything about him being a Jew. Could care less about that. I have jewish ancestry myself. I just see as unfair those two human beings get a pass while Mel Gibson does not.

BTW, I love Woody Allen's movies. I don't mix things. The same way, I'm not a racist or anti-semitic and would love to see more Mel Gibson movies.

[KevinNYC]

I never said aything about him being a Jew.

I was replying to both you and to this post

Jews run Hollywood and woody is a Jew. It is that simple. anyone who has worked in that industry or has a very close friend/relative who works in that industry will tell you the same.

[HardwoodLegend]

Allen is a better visual director as well, you probably just don't give him credit due to his reputation as a comedian, which Lena Dunham is helping to drag through the dirt now by constantly comparing herself to him.

Just look at Manhattan, Love and Death or Crimes and Misdemeanors, nothing Polanski shot is close to those movies.

I don't know how many Woody Allen movies you have seen, but it seems like not very many, you are only repeating the untrue stereotypes.

I've seen Manhattan along with Annie Hall, Bananas, Stardust Memories, Broadway Danny Rose (my favorite Woody pic), Match Point, Midnight in Paris, To Rome with Love, Melinda & Melinda (underrated), and Vicky Cristina Barcelona.

Manhattan was beautiful, but I prefer Polanski's Cul-de-sac.

Woody Allen will sprinkle in some nice background shots here and there, but throughout his films the visual language is very repetitive from project to project and not all that imaginative.

He sticks to a formula which allows him to be so prolific. The primary ingredient writing so many leading men who are like him.




This is like a comparison of Jeff Hornacek to Michael Jordan.

Polanski is Hornacek, Allen is Jordan.

Naw, it would be more like Polanski is Wade and Allen is Jordan.

[kentatm]

on the surface Polanski is by far the worst person. Then Allen and then Mel.

HOWEVER, I'm sure all the people who have worked with those 3 over the years have come to the conclusion that while Allen and Roman may be scum, they aren't a massive pain in the ass to work with like Mel apparently is. If Mel wasn't a nutso hothead people would probably forgive him.

[Nick Young]

I've seen Manhattan along with Annie Hall, Bananas, Stardust Memories, Broadway Danny Rose (my favorite Woody pic), Match Point, Midnight in Paris, To Rome with Love, Melinda & Melinda (underrated), and Vicky Cristina Barcelona.

Manhattan was beautiful, but I prefer Polanski's Cul-de-sac.

Woody Allen will sprinkle in some nice background shots here and there, but throughout his films the visual language is very repetitive from project to project and not all that imaginative.

He sticks to a formula which allows him to be so prolific. The primary ingredient writing so many leading men who are like him.





Naw, it would be more like Polanski is Wade and Allen is Jordan.

First, you need to learn more about cinematography and symobolism.

Second, you need to see more Woody Allen movies.

Third, you need to watch Manhattan again.

Fourthly, Woody Allen the film character and public persona and Woody Allen the human being and director are really nothing alike.

[KingBeasley08]

Marty Scorsese >>>> these nikkas.

Moral person and great director :bowdown:
Woody who?

[Nick Young]

Marty Scorsese >>>> these nikkas.

Moral person and great director :bowdown:
Woody who?

Woody Allen also>That guy.

Christ you guys must have never seen any Woody Allen movies.

[KingBeasley08]

Woody Allen also>That guy.

Christ you guys must have never seen any Woody Allen movies.
Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[KevinNYC]

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Casino doesn't belong on that list. Mean Streets does.

Also you do know that Marty had a serious drug addiction for a while right?

[KingBeasley08]

Casino doesn't belong on that list. Mean Streets does.

Also you do know that Marty had a serious drug addiction for a while right?
Casino was a great movie. And I have Mean Street there.

Drug addiction is a person demon. Nowhere on the level of raping or marrying your own daughter.

But to the original point, Marty is better than Allen easily. Although I'll admit Kubrick is the true GOAT

[KevinNYC]

:facepalm
Casino was a great movie. And I have Mean Street there. Time for bed.

Casino is not great. It just reminds you how fantastic goodfellas is. The structure and storytelling is muddled. The best parts are about the Casino itself.


Drug addiction is a person demon. Nowhere on the level of raping or marrying your own daughter.***
How many coke addicts do you know who aren't complete assholes. He almost killed himself before he made 7 of the movies on your list.

You also said he was moral, not that he was better than a daughter rapist.


But to the original point, Marty is better than Allen easily.
They are two of my three favorite filmmakers, but I wouldn't say Marty is easily better. Neither can do what the other does. In the movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097965/)they did together Allen's segment was better, I can't even remember Scorsese's segment other than Nick Nolte was a painter. Check out that link and see who played the theater manager. :eek:


*** And again, this is not exactly what Allen did.

[TonyMontana]

It's been said throughout the thread, but I think it needs repeating.

The group Mel Gibson speaks out against is the group that controls the media/industry.

[Nick Young]

Mean Streets
Taxi Driver
Raging Bull
King of Comedy
Goodfellas
Cape Fear
Casino
Gangs of New York
The Departed



Marty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
lawl Woody Allen made like 20 movies as good as those.

[KingBeasley08]

lawl Woody Allen made like 20 movies as good as those.
Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull are GOAT level movies. Those alone are better than most director's filmographies


And Casino was a very underrated, good movie. Pesci's character was repeptive but Sharon Stone killed it and the plot of the movie moved more fluidly than Goodfellas which meandered a bit when Liotta went off to jail

[MavsSuperFan]

Also a factor no one is talking about is that we didnt directly see or have audio of Polanski or Allen committing their acts. We never saw polanski raping and sodomizing that girl. We never saw allen raising his adopted stepdaughter and then marrying her.

With Gibson there is clear video evidence of him spouting racism against jewish people and there is clear audio of him spout racism against black people. It creates a more lasting negative impression

[HarryCallahan]

Also a factor no one is talking about is that we didnt directly see or have audio of Polanski or Allen committing their acts. We never saw polanski raping and sodomizing that girl. We never saw allen raising his adopted stepdaughter and then marrying her.

With Gibson there is clear video evidence of him spouting racism against jewish people and there is clear audio of him spout racism against black people. It creates a more lasting negative impression

I don't see how what Mel Gibson said was racist.



1. poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

2. the belief that some races of people are better than others


"Jews cause all wars"- He wasn't talking about Mr. Goldstein down the street, he was talking about Netanyahu, Kissinger etc. And while he may not be strictly correct, he does have a point.

"Get raped by nigguhs"- He was trying to upset her as much as possible, and being raped by black guys is worse than being raped by S.Korean men.

He was hardly being PC, but I don't see what he said as being racist.

[KeylessEntry]

This seems relevant

http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,2339294.column





How Jewish is Hollywood? - A poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that 'Jews control Hollywood.' But here's one Jew who doesn't.

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.



"That's a very dangerous phrase, 'Jews control Hollywood.' What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood," he said. Instead of "control," Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry "happen to be Jewish," as in "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish."

[MavsSuperFan]

I don't see how what Mel Gibson said was racist.



"Jews cause all wars"- He wasn't talking about Mr. Goldstein down the street, he was talking about Netanyahu, Kissinger etc. And while he may not be strictly correct, he does have a point.

"Get raped by nigguhs"- He was trying to upset her as much as possible, and being raped by black guys is worse than being raped by S.Korean men.

He was hardly being PC, but I don't see what he said as being racist.

:biggums: :coleman:

The stereotype of the conniving, greedy, secretly in charge jew was why they got slaughtered during the holocaust. Its not true and a deeply discriminatory stereotype. Anyone with a basic understanding of history (and not crazy conspiracy theories, Eg. Napoleon was not controlled by the rothschilds) would realize that very few wars in human history have been started primarily by Jewish people.

Edit: this stereotype is also why many slaughterings of jewish people happened throughout european history in countries like russia. It along with blood libel are the 2 most offensive anti jewish stereotypes.

His quote i believe was "I hope you get raped by a pack of wild (n-words)". He obviously meant to imply the blacks were animal like and violent. Which is among the most offensive stereotypes of blacks.

2nd edit: Polanski and maybe allen deserve to be blacklisted by hollywood. I look down on any actor willing to work with them. especially polanski. But that doesnt mean gibson is a good person. We say thing while drunk we think, but are smart enough to hide while sober. Gibson obviously has a problem with blacks and jews.

Not saying this was worse than sodomizing and raping a teen girl, just saying that there was video and audio of gibson and none of polanski. People remember gibson more because of it.

[HarryCallahan]

:biggums: :coleman:

The stereotype of the conniving, greedy, secretly in charge jew was why they got slaughtered during the holocaust. Its not true and a deeply discriminatory stereotype. Anyone with a basic understanding of history (and not crazy conspiracy theories, Eg. Napoleon was not controlled by the rothschilds) would realize that very few wars in human history have been started primarily by Jewish people.

Edit: this stereotype is also why many slaughterings of jewish people happened throughout european history in countries like russia. It along with blood libel are the 2 most offensive anti jewish stereotypes.

His quote i believe was "I hope you get raped by a pack of wild (n-words)". He obviously meant to imply the blacks were animal like and violent. Which is among the most offensive stereotypes of blacks.

2nd edit: Polanski and maybe allen deserve to be blacklisted by hollywood. I look down on any actor willing to work with them. especially polanski. But that doesnt mean gibson is a good person. We say thing while drunk we think, but are smart enough to hide while sober. Gibson obviously has a problem with blacks and jews.

Not saying this was worse than sodomizing and raping a teen girl, just saying that there was video and audio of gibson and none of polanski. People remember gibson more because of it.

a) I don't see what the holocaust has to do with Mel Gibson. And don't give me any of this "Demonize a peoples that much..." nonsense, because the Muslim's haven't gone through what the Jews have and have (in recent times) been demonized as much.

b) He was trying to offend someone, I don't think what he said applies to the quote of the word "racism" that I supplied.

The holocaust doesn't make what Gibson said apply any more than it would otherwise. What he (drunkenly) said was bad, but not racist.

[FatComputerNerd]

Incidentally, Mel's father is known for being an outspoken holocaust denier, anti-gay, anti catholic, and a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

Not too shocking that a man like this might raise offspring with questionable political or racial views.

[Nastradamus]

I'm not saying it lets him off the hook, but 2 points I'd make. 1, Polanski was truly F'd up back then. His parents were killed in the holocaust, his pregnant wife slaughtered by Manson. Not too many can compete with that level of awfulness happening to them. Your mind isn't going to be right.

Point 2, he has long reformed himself. He has been happily married with 2 kids(IIRC) and hasn't done anything wrong of note in a long, long time. This was 40 years ago. Again, it doesn't let him off the hook, it doesn't make it ok, but at some point I think you have to let a person live his life.

The problem with Mel is that his anger and his racism are issues when it comes to working with him. THey are still present and prevalent.

[MavsSuperFan]

a) I don't see what the holocaust has to do with Mel Gibson. And don't give me any of this "Demonize a peoples that much..." nonsense, because the Muslim's haven't gone through what the Jews have and have (in recent times) been demonized as much.

b) He was trying to offend someone, I don't think what he said applies to the quote of the word "racism" that I supplied.

The holocaust doesn't make what Gibson said apply any more than it would otherwise. What he (drunkenly) said was bad, but not racist.

a) that stereotype did lead to the holocaust whether you admit it or not. it had lead to numerous slaughterings of jewish populations throughout history.

America has advanced to the point that only a minority of people would go so far as to actually slaughter muslims for 9/11. Had something like 9/11 occurred earlier in our history, we would have at a minimum thrown them in internment camps.

b) you dont think saying jews start all the wars and the phrase raped by a pack of wild n-words is racist?

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm not saying it lets him off the hook, but 2 points I'd make. 1, Polanski was truly F'd up back then. His parents were killed in the holocaust, his pregnant wife slaughtered by Manson. Not too many can compete with that level of awfulness happening to them. Your mind isn't going to be right.

Point 2, he has long reformed himself. He has been happily married with 2 kids(IIRC) and hasn't done anything wrong of note in a long, long time. This was 40 years ago. Again, it doesn't let him off the hook, it doesn't make it ok, but at some point I think you have to let a person live his life.

The problem with Mel is that his anger and his racism are issues when it comes to working with him. THey are still present and prevalent.
hmm... If you were raped and sodomized would you be ok with the person living a life of wealth and luxury for 40 years and forgive him afterwards? because come on its been 40 years and you were the only person he raped and sodomized.

[D.J.]

Being anti-Semitic in an industry that's predominantly Jewish is a no-no. That's like being openly racist towards blacks while being in the NBA.

[HarryCallahan]

a) that stereotype did lead to the holocaust whether you admit it or not. it had lead to numerous slaughterings of jewish populations throughout history.

America has advanced to the point that only a minority of people would go so far as to actually slaughter muslims for 9/11. Had something like 9/11 occurred earlier in our history, we would have at a minimum thrown them in internment camps.

b) you dont think saying jews start all the wars and the phrase raped by a pack of wild n-words is racist?

Again, you keep blaming Mel Gibson for the Holocaust. :confusedshrug:

Comparing one drunk a-hole talking smack about Jews to Nazi state run propaganda... :facepalm

No, it isn't racist. Here's the definition in case you missed it.



1. poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

2. the belief that some races of people are better than others


Not racist.

[MavsSuperFan]

Again, you keep blaming Mel Gibson for the Holocaust. :confusedshrug:

Comparing one drunk a-hole talking smack about Jews to Nazi state run propaganda... :facepalm

No, it isn't racist. Here's the definition in case you missed it.



Not racist.
No obviously Gibson isnt responsible for the holocaust. That doesnt mean that he doesnt possess the same line of thinking as what lead to the holocaust and other massacres of jews.

There are 3 great anti jewish lies are the blood libel lie (that jews use the blood of christian babies to make food during jewish holidays and use the blood for religious ceremonies), the well poisoning lie (supposedly jews like to poison the well water of towns the live in, it makes no sense but it lead to many massacres) and the host desecration lie (that jews were responsible for jesus getting crucified and kidnapped people and reenacted the crucifixion from time to time).

Obviously only idiots in the middle ages would have believed such stupid lies, but the stereotype of the conniving, deceptive, selfish, greedy, puppet master jew. still continues today. Its a very harmful stereotype, anytime a group of people is identified as disloyal and a threat.


2. the belief that some races of people are better than others

Gibson strongly indicated that he thought jews were the starters of all the wars indicating he thought they were evil.

Gibson also strongly indicated that he thought blacks were violent, animal like thugs.

Look the dude made racist statements while drunk. I dont even see how that is debateable.

[HarryCallahan]

I have no idea why you keep typing out paragraphs of anti-Semitic history. It has ZERO relevance to this. Yes there have been anti-Semites in the past- what's your point.

He didn't say Jews are inherently evil.
He was trying to say something vile to his ex-wife, being raped by a pack of black guys is one of the worst things. "Wild nigguhs" is just colourful language, you're reading far too much into it. "Wild" doesn't = Inferior to whites.

[MavsSuperFan]

I have no idea why you keep typing out paragraphs of anti-Semitic history. It has ZERO relevance to this. Yes there have been anti-Semites in the past- what's your point.

He didn't say Jews are inherently evil.
He was trying to say something vile to his ex-wife, being raped by a pack of black guys is one of the worst things. "Wild nigguhs" is just colourful language, you're reading far too much into it. "Wild" doesn't = Inferior to whites.


My point is clearly gibson is an anti semite and has a problem with black people. look at the video of him while drunk and the phone call, look at some of the things his father has said.

also he clearly said ****** not ***** or nigguh.

[HarryCallahan]

My point is clearly gibson is an anti semite and has a problem with black people. look at the video of him while drunk and the phone call, look at some of the things his father has said.

also he clearly said ****** not ***** or nigguh.

That isn't clear at all. You seen Lethal Weapon? Seems to work with Murtagh pretty well. His father saying things shouldn't be held against Mel. Charles Manson has a bunch of bastard children running round, should they be locked up?

I didn't realise that "er" or "a" changed anything. Of course he said "er" he's no wigga. "Hi i'm Mel, sup nigguh" isn't something natural.

[Nastradamus]

hmm... If you were raped and sodomized would you be ok with the person living a life of wealth and luxury for 40 years and forgive him afterwards? because come on its been 40 years and you were the only person he raped and sodomized.

actually she said she forgave him.

[Dresta]

Fvckin' A.

Apocolypto/Get the Gringo>>>>>> Anything by Polanski or Allen
:roll:

**** off.


Think Polanski gets some slack because of Sharon Tate and the way he was treated in the aftermath of her murder.

You also can't say he drugged, raped and sodomised that girl when he was only convicted of statutory rape.

Still think he's a bellend though, just not a lunatic like Gibson.

[Dresta]

hmm... If you were raped and sodomized would you be ok with the person living a life of wealth and luxury for 40 years and forgive him afterwards? because come on its been 40 years and you were the only person he raped and sodomized.
She did forgive him, publicly.

And: 'During a television interview on 10 March 2011, Geimer blamed the media, reporters, the court, and the judge for causing "way more damage to [her] and her family than anything Roman Polanski has ever done," and stated that the judge was using her and a noted celebrity for his own personal gain from the media exposure'

[HarryCallahan]

:roll:

**** off.



Get the Gringo>Chinatown... Deal with it.