Hoopz2332
10-02-2013, 02:59 PM
convo from another thread.....
It goes beyond aping MJ's moves. It's trying to ape his mannerisms, swagger, gum chewing, fist pumping, interview cadence, manipulating and copying of exact MJ moments, etc.
Kobe took imitation to a borderline creepy level, especially earlier in his career.. Imitation though is a major form if not the biggest form of flattery.
But I think that's what Jordan's getting at without exactly saying it. He's a lesser clone of him. So he'd have to admit he'd lose to Kobe sometimes. And Kobe didn't use MJ's moves as inspiration, he directly copied them. There is a difference.
So if anyone of this generation is using Kobe's moves, it is actually Jordan they are copying. But to what Kobe said, who on earth is copying his moves? I haven't seen anyone.
You can't say someone is copying Kobe, because Kobe is a copy of Jordan. He's not the original.
I have seen Paul Pierce, LeBron and many other players celebrate the same way
Everyone wants to be like MJ. Kobe has been the best at being like MJ so far
Why does he have to be original? What moves is he supposed to be invent? Most have already been invented. Who makes up their own moves nowadays? It's hard to do at this point
Good god, you guys are stupid. Kobe stole moves from the best players, and he stole every move in the GOAT's playbook. I wish I could do the same, and make tens of millions doing it while being a top 10 player of all time
Impressive stuff
I agree with this. It's not about the actual basketball moves, it's more about the ''he can't guard me'' type of copy moves. It's normal for a average 10 years old kid on the playground to do this, it's normal to see a highschool player celebrate the exact same way Jordan did, but it's quite weird to see an adult NBA superstar with his own NBA legacy do this.
You're trying too hard.
Name me one original player in the NBA that invented all of his own manerisms and moves.
Definitely not LeBron. Even he does the Jordan fist pump celebration.
I'll wait.
After you're done with that, name me one player that wouldn't want to be like Michael Jordan.
Still waiting.
Is there anything original about LeBron? He isn't the first point forward. He isn't the first playmaker. What did he invent?
There has never been a player like in all aspects like Lebron.
This is the breakdown they did on Lebron on ESPN countdown
http://i.imgur.com/dUpXTrs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XOhs7td.jpg
How Good Is LeBron James?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO_yl_oRQR4
So not being able to master every move from other great players before you is more impressive than being able to master any move?
Ok. If you say so. I respectfully disagree that Kobe trying to be like MJ is a bad thing.
Taking a few moves from Jordan is one thing, jacking his mannerisms is another level of weirdness on some stalker sh!t.:coleman:
Kobe Bryant is gone from the NBA playoffs, but he remains the most riveting and controversial figure of the postseason. Even his absence fills the room.
Bryant solidified his position as the most polarizing player in the NBA with a wildly inconsistent and confounding series against the Suns. There he is, passing and moving without the ball and generally playing like Steve Nash. There he is, putting up 50 because his team needs it. There he is, petulantly putting up three shots in the second half of the seventh game, just to prove a point about the inadequacies of his teammates.
And to think, the seventh-game disappearance came just as everyone was ready to attach a new description -- team player -- on him.
Say what you want, but he's the only guy who could have pulled that one off.
How's this for redirecting responsibility: You can make a good case that 90 percent of Kobe's problems stem from the lingering, and bizarre, national fixation with Michael Jordan. Kobe is part of the fixation; he's groomed himself to be the successor to the point of imitating Jordan's mannerisms.
And that, more than anything, is why every game featuring Kobe comes across not as a basketball game but as "Kobe on Kobe."
He's been trying so hard to be someone else -- or someone else's version of who he should be -- that he isn't really anybody. From the outside, his words seem hollow and his actions seem borrowed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/060510
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what do you guys think?:lol
It goes beyond aping MJ's moves. It's trying to ape his mannerisms, swagger, gum chewing, fist pumping, interview cadence, manipulating and copying of exact MJ moments, etc.
Kobe took imitation to a borderline creepy level, especially earlier in his career.. Imitation though is a major form if not the biggest form of flattery.
But I think that's what Jordan's getting at without exactly saying it. He's a lesser clone of him. So he'd have to admit he'd lose to Kobe sometimes. And Kobe didn't use MJ's moves as inspiration, he directly copied them. There is a difference.
So if anyone of this generation is using Kobe's moves, it is actually Jordan they are copying. But to what Kobe said, who on earth is copying his moves? I haven't seen anyone.
You can't say someone is copying Kobe, because Kobe is a copy of Jordan. He's not the original.
I have seen Paul Pierce, LeBron and many other players celebrate the same way
Everyone wants to be like MJ. Kobe has been the best at being like MJ so far
Why does he have to be original? What moves is he supposed to be invent? Most have already been invented. Who makes up their own moves nowadays? It's hard to do at this point
Good god, you guys are stupid. Kobe stole moves from the best players, and he stole every move in the GOAT's playbook. I wish I could do the same, and make tens of millions doing it while being a top 10 player of all time
Impressive stuff
I agree with this. It's not about the actual basketball moves, it's more about the ''he can't guard me'' type of copy moves. It's normal for a average 10 years old kid on the playground to do this, it's normal to see a highschool player celebrate the exact same way Jordan did, but it's quite weird to see an adult NBA superstar with his own NBA legacy do this.
You're trying too hard.
Name me one original player in the NBA that invented all of his own manerisms and moves.
Definitely not LeBron. Even he does the Jordan fist pump celebration.
I'll wait.
After you're done with that, name me one player that wouldn't want to be like Michael Jordan.
Still waiting.
Is there anything original about LeBron? He isn't the first point forward. He isn't the first playmaker. What did he invent?
There has never been a player like in all aspects like Lebron.
This is the breakdown they did on Lebron on ESPN countdown
http://i.imgur.com/dUpXTrs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XOhs7td.jpg
How Good Is LeBron James?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO_yl_oRQR4
So not being able to master every move from other great players before you is more impressive than being able to master any move?
Ok. If you say so. I respectfully disagree that Kobe trying to be like MJ is a bad thing.
Taking a few moves from Jordan is one thing, jacking his mannerisms is another level of weirdness on some stalker sh!t.:coleman:
Kobe Bryant is gone from the NBA playoffs, but he remains the most riveting and controversial figure of the postseason. Even his absence fills the room.
Bryant solidified his position as the most polarizing player in the NBA with a wildly inconsistent and confounding series against the Suns. There he is, passing and moving without the ball and generally playing like Steve Nash. There he is, putting up 50 because his team needs it. There he is, petulantly putting up three shots in the second half of the seventh game, just to prove a point about the inadequacies of his teammates.
And to think, the seventh-game disappearance came just as everyone was ready to attach a new description -- team player -- on him.
Say what you want, but he's the only guy who could have pulled that one off.
How's this for redirecting responsibility: You can make a good case that 90 percent of Kobe's problems stem from the lingering, and bizarre, national fixation with Michael Jordan. Kobe is part of the fixation; he's groomed himself to be the successor to the point of imitating Jordan's mannerisms.
And that, more than anything, is why every game featuring Kobe comes across not as a basketball game but as "Kobe on Kobe."
He's been trying so hard to be someone else -- or someone else's version of who he should be -- that he isn't really anybody. From the outside, his words seem hollow and his actions seem borrowed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/060510
.
.
.
.
what do you guys think?:lol