Bill Simmon's NBA Preview: Ranking the Teams

[KyleKong]

Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose discuss each team and preview them for the 2013-2014 NBA season.

They are releasing the video's from worst to best based on Bill Simmons personal Power Rankings.

They are pretty entertaining, and informative.

30 - The 76ers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUgG4Wamao)

29 - The Suns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH0iGwY9MSc)

28 - The Magic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOfS54U00Q)

27 - The Jazz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXg56rY-v6E&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

26 - The Bobcats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTe0IG8drxI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

25 - The Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1HrGvR4JI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

24 - The Celtics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMYbdKAJ-8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

23 - The Raptors
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTU37EXkSH4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

22 - The Hawks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIAZbzcGRXs)

21 - The Cavaliers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6n3CYaQoio&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

20 - The Bullets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaj8uTXMwyE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

19 - The Pelicans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXX1F6jBCgE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

18 - The Lakers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnQU-Ep8w&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

17 - The Timberwolves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZp--2K4eqI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

16 - The Trail Blazers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyPBjGUaLc)

15 - The Bucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAAqF0UhJQ) :biggums: :biggums:

14 - The Mavericks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDt85CzgVDU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

13 - The Nuggets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

12 - The Pistons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn15D6uT2io)

11 - The Grizzlies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyUCvP3znM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

10 - The Knicks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfr4LGlbtE&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

9 - The Warriors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMomTZ2gn0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

8 - The Rockets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmUjif1ntM)

7 - The Nets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176mpmgE4Jk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

6 - The Thunder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgevj0bojA8)

5 - The Clippers
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_BSBRnZNo)

4 - The Pacers
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_Q_aq-2cQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

3 - The Spurs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJIn4Otnoqc)

2 - The Heat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pHk75rm1A)

1 - The Bulls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTGxzAaAk5M)

Will keep updating as they release more videos.

Cheers.

:cheers:

[Noyze]

Yeah watched these this morning, very entertaining :banana:

[jaydacris]

damnit

raptors wont be for a while :pimp:

[kshutts1]

How long are these videos? I've never watched a podcast in my life. Always assumed they were too long. I prefer reading. But if they're short enough, I'll give them a go.

[TheReturn]

Thanks for posting, I needed my daily dose of NBA talk.

[KyleKong]

Bump for Jazz.

[Kurosawa0]

I wish we could get this Jalen and Bill on ESPN. :applause:

[Noyze]

Maybe not Bill, Jalen is sick

[KyleKong]

I wish we could get this Jalen and Bill on ESPN. :applause:

They are on ESPN... haha.

[Kurosawa0]

They are on ESPN... haha.

I know that. I'm talking about getting them with these personalities on the ESPN broadcast. Jalen especially is very stiff on the show.

[no pun intended]

I had no idea Oladipo was playing point this season...

[no pun intended]

And lol at Bill Simmons mentioning a thread from RealGM. It would be awesome if ISH was mentioned.

[All Net]

And lol at Bill Simmons mentioning a thread from RealGM. It would be awesome if ISH was mentioned.

Did he?

[KyleKong]

Did he?

Yes he did. In one of his podcasts he mentioned posting on that forum to stir things up without people knowing it is him.

[All Net]

Yes he did. In one of his podcasts he mentioned posting on that forum to stir things up without people knowing it is him.

Interesting and really that wouldn't surprise me :lol

[Fresh Kid]

now my posts are getting deleted:oldlol:

[no pun intended]

Did he?
http://youtu.be/5iOfS54U00Q?t=3m15s

[KyleKong]

Bump for Bobcats

[Uncle Drew]

25. Kings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1HrGvR4JI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

[KyleKong]

25. Kings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1HrGvR4JI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

:cheers:

Thanks Drew.

[El Kabong]

Jalen is pretty funny.

Don't understand their love for Cousins though. Spent nearly the entire time talking about what's wrong with him, but then don't see a problem with the Kings maxing him out.

[ralph_i_el]

Jalen is pretty funny.

Don't understand their love for Cousins though. Spent nearly the entire time talking about what's wrong with him, but then don't see a problem with the Kings maxing him out.

He has a lot of mental problems in his game that have to do with his effort level.

The reason why they see no problem in extending him is because:

1. He can shoot smoothly out past 15 ft which is one of the things you must do to be a great scoring big

2. He has great touch

3. He's extremely agile for his size. When you watch him play he moves like a much smaller player

[Nick Young]

The only question with this homer moron is, how much will he overrate the Boston Scrubtics and how much will he underrate the Lakers.

Get this homer moron out of the media please.

[chips93]

How long are these videos? I've never watched a podcast in my life. Always assumed they were too long. I prefer reading. But if they're short enough, I'll give them a go.

the videos are 15 mins each, then they are gonna put them together into pairs to make podcasts of 30 mins each. or it could be 3 teams and a 45 min podcast.

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMYbdKAJ-8

Celtics are up next, at 24. Seems pretty realistic.

[kshutts1]

the videos are 15 mins each, then they are gonna put them together into pairs to make podcasts of 30 mins each. or it could be 3 teams and a 45 min podcast.

Too long for me.

I wish someone would listen to them and type them down. I considered doing it, but again.. too long for me to sit and listen in the first place.

[TheReturn]

damnit

raptors wont be for a while :pimp:
Sounds like they're the next team to be reviewed, hey at least they aren't at the absolute bottom anymore. :cheers:

[kshutts1]

Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose discuss each team and preview them for the 2013-2014 NBA season.

They are releasing the video's from worst to best based on Bill Simmons personal Power Rankings.

They are pretty entertaining, and informative.

30 - The 76ers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUgG4Wamao)

29 - The Suns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH0iGwY9MSc)

28 - The Magic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOfS54U00Q)

27 - Jazz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXg56rY-v6E&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

26 - Bobcats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTe0IG8drxI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

25 - Kings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1HrGvR4JI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q)

Will keep updating as they release more videos.

Cheers.

:cheers:


Why not THE Jazz? THE Bobcats? THE Kings? Or did the other teams change their names and I am unaware? :hammerhead:

[chips93]

Too long for me.

I wish someone would listen to them and type them down. I considered doing it, but again.. too long for me to sit and listen in the first place.

why not just download them onto your phone/mp3 player, and listen to them in the place of music?

i listen to podcasts walking to college/work, when exercising, studying, basically whenever im alone and not doing something that demands my attention ill listen to music or podcasts.

[kshutts1]

why not just download them onto your phone/mp3 player, and listen to them in the place of music?

i listen to podcasts walking to college/work, when exercising, studying, basically whenever im alone and not doing something that demands my attention ill listen to music or podcasts.
That's a really good idea.. but I don't have one of those players.

But I may put them on during my workout some time... in fact, I'll try that today. See how I enjoy it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Simmons is really objective, even given his fandom for Boston teams. Anyone claiming otherwise is stupid. He's never gone out of his way to talk down any teams. He's a very accurate historian of the game.

[KyleKong]

Why not THE Jazz? THE Bobcats? THE Kings? Or did the other teams change their names and I am unaware? :hammerhead:

Their. Just for you, you salty sailor.

Also, updated for Celtics at 24.

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTU37EXkSH4

Raptors!

[Meticode]

These are more entertaining because Simmons is part of or owns Grantland, so they say whatever they want.

[El Kabong]

These are more entertaining because Simmons is part of or owns Grantland, so they say whatever they want.
Grantland is still owned by ESPN, they just used it to replace their Page 2 section. He just got a promotion from being a featured columnist to being the editor in chief.

[Owl]

He has a lot of mental problems in his game that have to do with his effort level.

The reason why they see no problem in extending him is because:

1. He can shoot smoothly out past 15 ft which is one of the things you must do to be a great scoring big

2. He has great touch

3. He's extremely agile for his size. When you watch him play he moves like a much smaller player
But if those skills translate into a big man who shoots 45% (and are packaged with below average defense and serious attitude issues) that just doesn't add up to a max type player.

[kshutts1]

Been listening to these podcasts (is that what they are?) while I lift. Great suggestion by whomever it was, btw. Anyway, I can't help but think of trade scenarios for all these lower echelon teams! (PS. I hate tanking)

Sac: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m8now47
Acquire -- Deng, Asik, Lin.
Send -- Thornton, Salmons, protected first to Bulls; Hayes, Jimmer, Isaiah, Patterson to Rockets.

Kings start Vasquez, McLemore, Deng, Cousins, Asik. Lin as the scoring guard off the bench, with Landry, Thompson, LRMM as the other main bench guys. That's a strong team, on paper.

Bulls get more shooting in Thornton, slide Butler to his more natural SF position, and add a jack-of-all-trades style player in Salmons. Also pick up a potentially valuable pick in the process.

Rockets pair Howard with a stretch 4 (Patterson, who I'm pretty sure they already traded away... so maybe not terribly realistic) while upgrading their shooting even more and opening the door for Beverley to start, who many believe is better than Lin anyway.

[KyleKong]

Bump for Raptors.

[kshutts1]

Boston: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n6cjojh

Celtics get Amare, Felton, a first round pick (do the Knicks still have one, after the Bargs trade? If not, forget this trade idea).
Send out: Rondo, Wallace, trade option.

Knicks get a player that will fit very well on their team... a PG that doesn't care to score, but only pass and defend. He and Chandler anchor a defense, and Rondo also initiates the offense and keeps everyone else (that loves to shoot) involved.

Boston gets a much larger cap relief in two years (11m for Rondo vs 21m for Amare) and a smaller cap carry over for the third year (10m for Wallace vs 3m for Felton). Amare can realistically not play, and no one would bat an eye. Perfect for tanking. The first round pick helps.

[Owl]

Been listening to these podcasts (is that what they are?) while I lift. Great suggestion by whomever it was, btw. Anyway, I can't help but think of trade scenarios for all these lower echelon teams! (PS. I hate tanking)

Sac: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m8now47
Acquire -- Deng, Asik, Lin.
Send -- Thornton, Salmons, protected first to Bulls; Hayes, Jimmer, Isaiah, Patterson to Rockets.

Kings start Vasquez, McLemore, Deng, Cousins, Asik. Lin as the scoring guard off the bench, with Landry, Thompson, LRMM as the other main bench guys. That's a strong team, on paper.

Bulls get more shooting in Thornton, slide Butler to his more natural SF position, and add a jack-of-all-trades style player in Salmons. Also pick up a potentially valuable pick in the process.

Rockets pair Howard with a stretch 4 (Patterson, who I'm pretty sure they already traded away... so maybe not terribly realistic) while upgrading their shooting even more and opening the door for Beverley to start, who many believe is better than Lin anyway.
Bulls won't touch this. Salmons is a (sub)replacement level player and has been for 2 or 3 seasons. He's also a bad contract.
I like Thornton for more than 24 minutes on a bad team. But Butler shot better than from three last year (albeit on many less attempts). So if he's even vaguely in Thornton's ballpark as a shooter and so much better in terms of value, defense and upside. I'd be happy with Butler playing at SG.

So is their any reason for Chicago to mess with a winning formula. Only if they think Deng is leaving as a free agent.

I don't think Houston goes for it either. I think they see that as giving up two starters for one. I think that would probably be correct.

Edit: Of course it does depend on when the pick is and what protections are on it. But I can't see a contender shaking things up like this unless they're confident that that's a good pick and one coming soon.

[kshutts1]

Bulls won't touch this. Salmons is a (sub)replacement level player and has been for 2 or 3 seasons. He's also a bad contract.
I like Thornton for more than 24 minutes on a bad team. But Butler shot better than from three last year (albeit on many less attempts). So if he's even vaguely in Thornton's ballpark as a shooter and so much better in terms of value, defense and upside. I'd be happy with Butler playing at SG.

So is their any reason for Chicago to mess with a winning formula. Only if they think Deng is leaving as a free agent.

I don't think Houston goes for it either. I think they see that as giving up two starters for one. I think that would probably be correct.

Edit: Of course it does depend on when the pick is and what protections are on it. But I can't see a contender shaking things up like this unless they're confident that that's a good pick and one coming soon.

All valid points, but I'm very high on Thornton as a scorer, which is what the Bulls need. Butler may shoot nearly as well, but he doesn't score anywhere in the ballpark as Thornton. And Deng is not taking a pay cut, which means he will either leave or be traded, but the Bulls have more leverage now rather than then.

As for the Rockets, keep in mind the cap situation, too. Rockets save 4m in salary alone, plus 4m of the incoming salary is off the books after only a year. But Lin and Asik are what they are... Asik is more valuable than Lin, but neither has the upside that Patterson has.

[Owl]

All valid points, but I'm very high on Thornton as a scorer, which is what the Bulls need. Butler may shoot nearly as well, but he doesn't score anywhere in the ballpark as Thornton. And Deng is not taking a pay cut, which means he will either leave or be traded, but the Bulls have more leverage now rather than then.

As for the Rockets, keep in mind the cap situation, too. Rockets save 4m in salary alone, plus 4m of the incoming salary is off the books after only a year. But Lin and Asik are what they are... Asik is more valuable than Lin, but neither has the upside that Patterson has.
I suspect the market will dictate that Deng will take a pay cut (relative to his salary this year). It will just be a matter of how much.

Patterson's value is an open question at this point. His first year was genuinely impressive for a rookie (in limited minutes), his second a disaster, last year quite good, though weak on the boards. As you note the trade has Patterson heading back to Rockets. Given that they valued him as much as Thomas Robinson, who they then valued at nothing, it's hard to see the Rockets giving up a Asik for Patterson even if he is a much better fit.

TBH I'm not sure I actually like the trade for Sacramento long term. I think they get the better of the deals, but just because you dislike tanking (and I understand that when Sacramento have been so bad for so long) the aspiration shouldn't be to be 50 win team and that would probably be the (rough) ceiling on the core you propose. Being bad (or bad-ish) for one more year would seem to make sense for this year if scouts/media are right about the coming draft class.

[Meticode]

Grantland is still owned by ESPN, they just used it to replace their Page 2 section. He just got a promotion from being a featured columnist to being the editor in chief.
I didn't realize. I think I've heard them say the word sh!t on there.

[El Kabong]

I didn't realize. I think I've heard them say the word sh!t on there.
Yea, they've got a bit looser, but Simmons has gotten in trouble a few times, mostly on Twitter which he has been suspended from before by ESPN.

[The JKidd Kid]

I'm absolutely loving these. They should do one with chuck and Shaq.

[Miller for 3]

I'm 2 minutes into the Celtics one, not a single word about basketball has been mentioned. Just two idiots singing and watching movie clips. If I wanted to see a bunch of idiots talking about non basketball $hit I would read Pauk's 12 accounts talking to themselves. Unsubbed

[Legends66NBA7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTU37EXkSH4

Raptors!

That clip still kills me to this day. I had the same reaction Kelly did when that 5th goal got in.

Um, Simmons... they cared about the Leafs because they made the playoffs for the first time since 2004 and were the only major Toronto sports team to make the playoffs in 2013. It's always going to be a hockey city first, but they absolutely care about the Raptors and Blue Jays. We've got amazing fans. Why the hell would the Toronto fans care about the Raptors when the Leafs were in the playoffs and the Raptors were done ? Horrible example.

He is right about the organization, which again, is the root of all the problems.

Rose was pretty much right about his points on the night life of Toronto. King St. is a great place to be for partying, been there for a lot of New Year's parties. But what the hell was he thinking when he said DeMar could hit 3 point shots ? :oldlol:. However, I do think he will have a good year, really like what I've seen from him in preseason. Jonas will be great too. The wild card is Lowry.

I don't buy the buzz about Rudy Gay being traded in the off season, though. At least, not if the team is playing well from November till January.

[kshutts1]

I'm 2 minutes into the Celtics one, not a single word about basketball has been mentioned. Just two idiots singing and watching movie clips. If I wanted to see a bunch of idiots talking about non basketball $hit I would read Pauk's 12 accounts talking to themselves. Unsubbed
You must not be familiar with Simmons' writing.

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIAZbzcGRXs

The Hawks.. anyone else surprised?

[R.I.P.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIAZbzcGRXs

The Hawks.. anyone else surprised?

Yes, should be higher. Below the Bucks and Pistons. I mean seriously? :lol

They replaced J. Smith with Millsap, a healthy Lou Williams, and added some veterans to the bench. How they are 10 games worse than last season, cause the Bucks were six behind and replaced Monta have it all with Mayo have **** all.

[RagaZ]

Are there any city that Jalen Rose doesnt like? :lol

[ballup]

Boston: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n6cjojh

Celtics get Amare, Felton, a first round pick (do the Knicks still have one, after the Bargs trade? If not, forget this trade idea).
Send out: Rondo, Wallace, trade option.

Knicks get a player that will fit very well on their team... a PG that doesn't care to score, but only pass and defend. He and Chandler anchor a defense, and Rondo also initiates the offense and keeps everyone else (that loves to shoot) involved.

Boston gets a much larger cap relief in two years (11m for Rondo vs 21m for Amare) and a smaller cap carry over for the third year (10m for Wallace vs 3m for Felton). Amare can realistically not play, and no one would bat an eye. Perfect for tanking. The first round pick helps.
God ****in no.

[Rose'sACL]

Are there any city that Jalen Rose doesnt like? :lol
utah, sac. may be even Charlotte.

[CanYouDigIt]

Are there any city that Jalen Rose doesnt like? :lol
Rose is a party animal :djparty

Simmons, Rose, Bayless, and SAS need to have a show all together where they talk basketball. That is how you compete with TNT. Entertainment vs. Entertainment.

[R.I.P.]

Are there any city that Jalen Rose doesnt like? :lol

Well he

[R.I.P.]

Rose is a party animal :djparty

Simmons, Rose, Bayless, and SAS need to have a show all together where they talk basketball. That is how you compete with TNT. Entertainment vs. Entertainment.

No you don

[KyleKong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIAZbzcGRXs

The Hawks.. anyone else surprised?

Thanks, bump for Hawks.

And yes, I thought they would be much higher.

[TheReturn]

Thanks, bump for Hawks.

And yes, I thought they would be much higher.
Thanks for the rep, got me out of the red. :cheers:

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6n3CYaQoio

Might as well keep posting them. :lol

Cavs!

[Uncle Drew]

Cavs at 21? Bill was high when he made those rankings.

[kshutts1]

God ****in no.
I have to assume you are a Celtics fan... cuz that trade would likely make the Knicks a top 2 team in the East.

So, as a Celtics fan, what don't you like? Saving money? Getting an extra pick? Having a (likely) worse team so your 2014 pick is (likely) higher?

[poido123]

Cavs at 21? Bill was high when he made those rankings.

Irving with no help and I'd rate them higher than that...

They are top 12 for mine.

[DukeDelonte13]

Cavs are too low IMO.


Cleveland on lake michigan now? :oldlol:

Every analyst seems to think Cleveland is depending on Andrew Bynum to be healthy when nothing could really be further from the truth.

They don't need Bynum to make the playoffs. They have two capable centers on the roster and TT can play the 5 too.

Mike Brown acquisition underrated again. Jalen loves it though.


and WTF is up with Andy V + Dion Waiters for Pau Gasol? Is simmons hitting that pipe?

[El Kabong]

Cavs are too low IMO.


Cleveland on lake michigan now? :oldlol:

Every analyst seems to think Cleveland is depending on Andrew Bynum to be healthy when nothing could really be further from the truth.

They don't need Bynum to make the playoffs. They have two capable centers on the roster and TT can play the 5 too.

Mike Brown acquisition underrated again. Jalen loves it though.


and WTF is up with Andy V + Dion Waiters for Pau Gasol? Is simmons hitting that pipe?
I hope you're not counting on Andy V being healthy too? He's played about 80 games over the past 3 years.

[TheReturn]

I think the fans of both the Wizards and the Caveliers will be disappointed this coming season. You guys seem to be counting on players that are always injured (Nene, Bynum, Andy V) to be healthy all of a sudden and play a major role in the surge of your team.

[DukeDelonte13]

I hope you're not counting on Andy V being healthy too? He's played about 80 games over the past 3 years.


Andy had a slew of unlucky unrelated injuries. Does getting his hand broken by Drew Gooden count as being injury prone?

Prior to these tanking seasons Andy was an ironman. No knee, back, ankle, or foot problems. Just unlucky BS.

[DukeDelonte13]

I think the fans of both the Wizards and the Caveliers will be disappointed this coming season. You guys seem to be counting on players that are always injured (Nene, Bynum, Andy V) to be healthy all of a sudden and play a major role in the surge of your team.


nobody is counting on Bynum to do anything meaningful this year.

[kshutts1]

and WTF is up with Andy V + Dion Waiters for Pau Gasol? Is simmons hitting that pipe?
Yeah, that was bad. But I did like most of his Horford-to-Bulls trade. I wouldn't give up all 3 of Bulls pick and Charlotte pick and Mirotec, though... just two of them would do nicely.

[kshutts1]

And I think Cleveland's ranking is pretty solid.

16 total playoff teams. We should all agree that the West has a top 11-12 (3 or 4 non PO teams that would make it in East).

So that's 6 teams in the east, plus 11-12 teams in the West better than Cleveland. Puts Cleveland's ranking right around 17-22, depending on where you think they fall in the Eastern Conference PO race.

Atlanta is, so far, the only team that's really been inadequately ranked.

[Dr. Ice]

Every other ranking has the hawks in the 10-13 range, yet on here they put the hawks at 22...

They seriously think the cavs, bucks, pistons, wizards are better than them in the east? They're in for a rude awakening.

[ballup]

I have to assume you are a Celtics fan... cuz that trade would likely make the Knicks a top 2 team in the East.

So, as a Celtics fan, what don't you like? Saving money? Getting an extra pick? Having a (likely) worse team so your 2014 pick is (likely) higher?
Big free agents don't usually want to come to Boston, especially if there is not much to work with on the team. Players are not enticed to play with Jeff Green or Avery Bradley. That'd just be cap space unused for used to heavily overpay a player. The Celtics can get real assets for Rondo, cap space is flexibility. Also, not going to risk Rondo because of the 2007 lottery disaster where the Celtics ended up with the 5th pick as the worst team in the league.

[ballup]

Bill predicts that the Cavs are the 7th worst team in the East, meaning that they stand a little outside of playoff contention. The overall ranking may seem ludicrous, but relative to the how the difference in powers of the Eastern and Western conferences have been, it's not that bad. Remember, the 9-10 spots in the West are better than the 9-10 spots in the East, which is where Bill predicts the Cavs will be. 11-12 in the West is debatable. I think he may have undersold them a bit.

[KyleKong]

:roll: :roll: :roll: the fan mind set for the Cavs.

Also bump for update.

[It's A VC3!!!]

The Cavaliers are a injury prone team. Even Kyrie has his fair share of nagging injuries. If they can stay healthy they are a definite playoff team. I'm very interested to see How A. Bynum comes back. If he can go back to 20/10 the Cavs are going to be a very solid team.

[Uncle Drew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaj8uTXMwyE

Wizards

[El Kabong]

Rudy Gay on the Wizards wouldn't be too bad. They need another scorer, they'd have a decently solid 5 with Wall, Beal, Gay, Seraphin and Nene.

[TheReturn]

Rudy Gay on the Wizards wouldn't be too bad. They need another scorer, they'd have a decently solid 5 with Wall, Beal, Gay, Seraphin and Nene.
That doesn't make them better than any of the top 4-5 teams in the east right now though.

[Meticode]

I find it amusing they were making fun of Bynum's work ethic and talking about Kobe when Bynum has lost 20ish pounds so far since being signed and is doing basketball activities, while Kobe has apparently gained weight?

Also I would hate the Gasol trade. You trade for Gasol who didn't even shoot 50% last year and hasn't looked like a star player for 3 years for Varejao and Waiters (you're second best player on the game arguably).

I wouldn't even trade Waiters straight up for Gasol. A up-coming SG in a SG-weak era that has put in work during the off-season to help the team for a aging big-man? That makes zero sense.

Ask for their rankings. They were ranked a "little" low to me. I would've had them in the upper teens like 18 or 19.

[CanYouDigIt]

CLE fans believe that their team is playoff material?

They are dependent on Kyrie to stay healthy the entire season. With Mike Brown as a coach, they need that one ball handler that can score and create on will. Lebron could do it. Kobe could do it. Kyrie can do it if he's healthy. Jarrett Jack cannot do it.

And for people saying that Bynum being healthy doesn't matter for the Cavs... He is the only real post player the Cavs have, and he isn't even healthy. Other than Kyrie, Bynum is the only other player on the Cavs that would get double teamed.

[CanYouDigIt]

CLE is too dependent on their injury prone PG and C to be healthy.

Bennett is still a question mark on what position he plays.

Waiters is promising, but isn't a 20+ scorer. People forget he had a 41 FG% and 31 3PT% last season.

[TheReturn]

What do you guys think about the Otto Porter jr. bust call though?

[El Kabong]

That doesn't make them better than any of the top 4-5 teams in the east right now though.
And? They've sucked long enough, they need to at least try and win some games now. Gay will help with that, more than Okafor would.

[TheReturn]

And? They've sucked long enough, they need to at least try and win some games now. Gay will help with that, more than Okafor would.
Yeah, maybe you're right. But if you're looking at the ultimate goal of winning the whole thing, they got a long way to go still.

[Harison]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaj8uTXMwyE

Wizards

Simmons: I didnt know you had a kid.
Jalen Rose: I didnt either.

:roll:

[dr.hee]

Simmons: I didnt know you had a kid.
Jalen Rose: I didnt either.

:roll:

:oldlol:

[mugiwara]

What do you guys think about the Otto Porter jr. bust call though?

Looked awful in pre season, I dont mind the pick as they drafted a need.

edit- awful in summer league.

[KyleKong]

Bump for the Bullets.

Also, Jalen's shimmy dance :lol

And Simmons seems to get more funny as the list goes down.

[DirkNowitzki41]

I love listening to these. :applause:

Simmons and Rose are awesome.

[Meticode]

I love how Rose went to explain the Fab 5 and C-Webb stuff going on right now.

[stax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXX1F6jBCgE

Pelicans

[RagaZ]

Lakers next.

So Pistons, Bucks, Wolves above Lakers.

[Shade8780]

Watched all these yesterday, really liking them. The bro-love between Rose and Simmons is awesome :lol

[TheReturn]

I love how Rose went to explain the Fab 5 and C-Webb stuff going on right now.
Me too, but then he ended it by saying 'come on podcast, give the people what they want', which I didn't like. Are you trying to reunite with friends or are you trying to get hits on your channel..

[KyleKong]

Bump for the New Orleans Unibrows.

Glad you guys are enjoying these.

[Uncle Drew]

18. Lakers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnQU-Ep8w

[The JKidd Kid]

I think they forgot about the Bucks, no way they're the 17th best team.

[KyleKong]

Bump for Lakers.

Bucks, Pistons, and Mavs above L.A.

:lebronamazed:

[KyleKong]

I think they forgot about the Bucks, no way they're the 17th best team.

Anything lower than 17th, than yes, they probably did forget. :lol

[magnax1]

18 seems a bit high for LA. Their D will be pathetic.

[Wavves]

#17 is the Minnesota Timberwolves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZp--2K4eqI

[Uncle Drew]

So they have the Bucks in the play offs.... Weird.

[TheReturn]

More top PF to Chicago trade rumors.. Interesting.

[El Kabong]

So they have the Bucks in the play offs.... Weird.
Yea, I'd have all 3 of Atlanta, Washington and Cleveland above the Bucks next year.


More top PF to Chicago trade rumors.. Interesting.
Kevin Love in Chicago would be awesome. Still doesn't fix his cold weather blues though.

[B-Easy8]

Haven't watched it yet but do they seriously have the Bucks rated higher than the Wolves?

[El Kabong]

Haven't watched it yet but do they seriously have the Bucks rated higher than the Wolves?
They're ranking them based on whoever makes the playoffs is a top 16 team. So if they think the Bucks make the 8 in the East, that makes them a better side than the T'Wolves who miss the playoffs in the West, even though it's likely the T'Wolves win more games overall.

[R.I.P.]

People talk shit about Magic and Jalen Rose opens up the episode on the 17th best team in the league with this:

Kevin Love, best PF in the league. :roll: :roll:

[chips93]

Kevin Love in Chicago would be awesome. Still doesn't fix his cold weather blues though.

didnt he grow up in oregon? its pretty cold there right?

[The JKidd Kid]

They're ranking them based on whoever makes the playoffs is a top 16 team. So if they think the Bucks make the 8 in the East, that makes them a better side than the T'Wolves who miss the playoffs in the West, even though it's likely the T'Wolves win more games overall.

No it's not based on the play offs because they already listed 8 eastern conference teams when there's only 15 in the conference. They probably just forgot about the Bucks because they're a completely irrelevant team and no one truly gives a shit about them.

[Dro]

Just watched the Wizards episode and it just seems like Webber is being a big bitch...

[KyleKong]

Bump for Timberpups.

The bucks are no way 16.

[Jailblazers7]

Bump for Timberpups.

The bucks are no way 16.

Yeah, idk wtf is up with the Bucks being top 16. Maybe he did it so that the top 16 represents his playoff prediction so that 8 had to be from the east and he thinks the Bucks will sneak in as an 8 seed.

[KyleKong]

Yeah, idk wtf is up with the Bucks being top 16. Maybe he did it so that the top 16 represents his playoff prediction so that 8 had to be from the east and he thinks the Bucks will sneak in as an 8 seed.

There is no way on God's green Earth that the Bucks are better than the Wolves, Lakers, Wizards, and Cavs.

They lost their two best players, Ellis and Jennings. They are not a playoff team.

[Jailblazers7]

There is no way on God's green Earth that the Bucks are better than the Wolves, Lakers, Wizards, and Cavs.

They lost their two best players, Ellis and Jennings. They are not a playoff team.

Not saying that I agree wit. I was just trying to take a guess at why he would rank them top 16. He was clearly down on the Cavs and doesn't like the SF for Washington so it could be the case that he thinks the Bucks will sneak in as the 8th seed due to a weak (and tanking) East.

[El Kabong]

No it's not based on the play offs because they already listed 8 eastern conference teams when there's only 15 in the conference. They probably just forgot about the Bucks because they're a completely irrelevant team and no one truly gives a shit about them.
They just said on the last episode they're doing the playoff teams now they've hit the top 16.

[ballup]

I think it was a mistake on Simmons. There have been 8 eastern conference teams ranked so far. Probably because the East looks weak outside of the top 5.

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyPBjGUaLc

Blazers.... inb4 Simmons thinks the Bucks are a contender :lol

Edit;

Couple of thoughts:

- Bill Simmons destroyed Mo Williams there. :lol
- Jalen is right on the fact that they do need one more solid big if you ask me.
- In order to make the playoffs, Portland needs Batum to be an all-star, or close to being one.

[El Kabong]

Simmons must really rate the two Larry's in Milwuakee otherwise this thing is one big troll on his part.

[DukeDelonte13]

Simmons must really rate the two Larry's in Milwuakee otherwise this thing is one big troll on his part.


Simmons pretty much is nothing more than a glorified troll.

[RagaZ]

Why is Pistons so high? Jalen Rose?

[Uncle Drew]

I'm thinking they might have just forgot about the Bucks. Like, they are done breaking down the Heat, and suddenly Simmons realizes they've only ranked 29 teams.

[KyleKong]

Bump for Blazers.

Simmons has officially forgotten the Bucks. :lol

[Shade8780]

Bucks are this high? :roll:

Also, they didn't do Champaigning and Campaigning for the Blazers :(

[KyleKong]

Bucks are this high? :roll:

Also, they didn't do Champaigning and Campaigning for the Blazers :(

Jalen probably didn't so shit in Portland to be considered champaigning and campaigning :roll:

[Shade8780]

Also, the 76ers video was uploaded more than two weeks ago so it's likely that it'll stay on schedule and the next team will be tomorrow or the next day.

[KyleKong]

Also, the 76ers video was uploaded more than two weeks ago so it's likely that it'll stay on schedule and the next team will be tomorrow or the next day.

They upload Monday - Friday

[Ken_Masters]

I just got finished with their breakdown of the Hawks. Cleveland up next. I'm thoroughly enjoying these videos. Both of these guys have credibility when it comes to basketball. I'm surprised at how knowledgeable Jalen is. The NBA is my favorite sport, so i'm thrilled that 12 mins is devoted to each team. Kudos Simmons and Jalen for a job well done.

[RagaZ]

Also, the 76ers video was uploaded more than two weeks ago so it's likely that it'll stay on schedule and the next team will be tomorrow or the next day.
You know they made all these a single day?

Look at their outfit. Its the excact same outfit they wear all videos.

[Beatlezz]

Bulls = #1 http://www.grantland.com/nbapreview2013
http://a1.espncdn.com/prod/assets/grantland/billjalen-sprite.png

[Meticode]

Sorry, the Bucks are ranked way too high.

[KyleKong]

Bulls = #1 http://www.grantland.com/nbapreview2013
http://a1.espncdn.com/prod/assets/grantland/billjalen-sprite.png

:lebronamazed:

[RagaZ]

BULLS #1 :bowdown:

Why the hell is Pistons above Nuggets though?

[Beatlezz]

BULLS #1 :bowdown:

Why the hell is Pistons above Nuggets though?

Pistons are the better team on paper.

[niko]

You can tell the Knick one is going to be ****ed when Amare is the player they pick as our symbol.

[Uncle Drew]

You can tell the Knick one is going to be ****ed when Amare is the player they pick as our symbol.
That's Drummond...

[RagaZ]

I am pretty sure that the Knick one is Carmelo Anthony shooting.

[Trollsmasher]

Simmons probably imagines that one of his endless trade propositions for the Bulls is going to happen.

[niko]

That's Drummond...
Haha, i don't do colors that well. My bad. :lol

[El Kabong]

I am pretty sure that the Knick one is Carmelo Anthony shooting.
Yea, 10th overall and 4th in the East behind Chicago, Miami and Indiana, which seems to be a very reasonable ranking for them.

[niko]

Yea, 10th overall and 4th in the East behind Chicago, Miami and Indiana, which seems to be a very reasonable ranking for them.

Yeah, the color blindness (would you call it that?) gives me orange.

[CanYouDigIt]

You can tell the Knick one is going to be ****ed when Amare is the player they pick as our symbol.
Just.... just stop. :facepalm

[niko]

Just.... just stop. :facepalm
Can you not be a dick for ten seconds?

[TheReturn]

I'm not gonna lie, I bought into their Bucks story. Although I highly doubt my Bulls will trade Deng for Butler and Udoh.

[Shade8780]

Someone just told me this.

'It's a League Pass Preview, meaning "team you want to watch this year." The return of Rose shoots them straight to the top.'

Maybe that explains why the Bucks are this high....

[305Baller]

Simmons...Rose... :facepalm

Why do these nerds continue to thrust hiphop into everything in a desperate attempt to seem cool?

Yeah I really care that 'Mo money Mo problems' was a big deal because it was a bigbudget music video.... get this garbage outta here.

Stick to basketball.

PS. OK saw the Lakers one with Tommy Boy. At least theres some variety in media now. Good.

:hammerhead:

[TheReturn]

Someone just told me this.

'It's a League Pass Preview, meaning "team you want to watch this year." The return of Rose shoots them straight to the top.'

Maybe that explains why the Bucks are this high....
That's incorrect though. The way I understand it, they're doing two separate things:

1. NBA Preview: Ranking the teams (videos by Simmons & Rose)
2. League Pass Rankings "most exciting teams to watch on NBA League Pass." (articles by Simmons and Lowe)

[Trollsmasher]

That's incorrect though. The way I understand it, they're doing two separate things:

1. NBA Preview: Ranking the teams (videos by Simmons & Rose)
2. League Pass Rankings "most exciting teams to watch on NBA League Pass." (articles by Simmons and Lowe)
Yep, the 1st part of those League Pass rankings is here: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9842281/the-grantland-annual-nba-league-pass-rankings

[Shade8780]

Yeah, Bucks are #15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAAqF0UhJQ

It's called "We Didn't Forget About the Bucks!" lol.

[El Kabong]

I'm not gonna lie, I bought into their Bucks story. Although I highly doubt my Bulls will trade Deng for Butler and Udoh.
Yea, doubt Bulls do that while they're a contender, it sounds like a silly fantasy suggestion trade. Deng isn't on a long deal, so it's not like they need to dump salary. Butler isn't as good and they're not completely desperate for a big that Udoh would make up for it. I doubt the Bucks owner would be jumping at the chance to take on Rudy Gays remaining $36 million over 2 years either.

I'm not as enamored with their staring back court (still a bit undersized for my liking and I wasn't blown away by Mayo last year) or bench either. I like Neal and Henson, but I'm kinda cold on the rest. Would rather have had Dunleavy than Delfino and Ridinour and Zaza are nothing more than decent rotation guys.

[nightprowler10]

"I dated a waitress in 1996 who was right hand dominant"

"Don't get divorced Bill"

:oldlol:

[grantz]

Bucks at 15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAAqF0UhJQ

[KyleKong]

"I dated a waitress in 1996 who was right hand dominant"

"Don't get divorced Bill"

:oldlol:

"NOBODY CAN GET AHOLD OF YOU!"

Bill and Jalen are great together.

They are also swearing a lot more in these later episodes, Grantland is like the Rated R version of ESPN.

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDt85CzgVDU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

Dallas!

[Shade8780]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDt85CzgVDU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

Dallas!
Bump.

[R.I.P.]

Are we sure Jalen and Simmons understood the DH Twitter joke by Dirk? Sure seemed like they didn

[KyleKong]

Bump for the Mavs. Sorry it took me so long to update.

Wish I could give Shade edit abilities in the OP :hammerhead:

[El Kabong]

That was a good video for the Mavs. Will be interesting to see how they go.

Surely Ellis' shot chart will improve a bit in Dallas? As they said, he's never played with a better offensive player and has always been the best guy on a bad team. Having Dirk there should mean he doesn't have to take/force as many shots.

[fsvr54]

Mad disrespect to the Hawks.

[NumberSix]

Mad disrespect to the Hawks.
Is that even possible?

[Uncle Drew]

#13 Nuggets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg

The preview is not important, just watch from 11:35. :roll:

[Wavves]

#13 Nuggets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg#t=728

The preview is not important, skip to 11:10. :roll:
Funniest one yet!

[madmax]

#13 Nuggets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg

The preview is not important, just watch from 11:35. :roll:

McGee:roll:
what a joke this guy is...he's basically the only reason to watch Denver anyway:oldlol:

[TheReturn]

I have more faith in Cousins 'getting it' than McGee. And I'm not that optimistic regarding Cousins at all.

[R.I.P.]

#13 Nuggets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg

The preview is not important, just watch from 11:35. :roll:

That was the first legit funny segment. I was in tears. :roll:

[nightprowler10]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Are we sure Jalen and Simmons understood the DH Twitter joke by Dirk? Sure seemed like they didn

[kurple]

McGee will be in the all star discussion

[kurple]

And a Brian Shaw defense is better than a George Karl defense, even with Iggy, and i have no idea why everyone thinks Brewer is a great defender

Kevin Durant called Gallo and Tony Allen the two thoughest defenders in the league. Not saying Gallo is that good, but both he and Wilson Chandler are good defenders. And Nate Robinson is a much better defender than old man Miller

and no one can deny McGee's ability to block shots

[NugzFan]

Has McGee done anything stupid on the court the last few years?

[ballup]

Detroit is the next one and has been uploaded



and no one can deny McGee's ability to block shots
McGee's ability to block shot isn't what has been questioned, it's his ability to make the right decisions.

[KyleKong]

Bump for Pistons and Nuggets

:banana:


Has McGee done anything stupid on the court the last few years?

Yes. :oldlol:

[NugzFan]

Bump for Pistons and Nuggets

:banana:



Yes. :oldlol:

What?

[niko]

What?
He's had a variety of really bonehead plays, nothing magically funny like his earlier years but he's been out of control at times. The TNT crew practically does a segment on him with their silly plays reel. He's playing better but he hasn't become magically a very smart player 100%.

[KyleKong]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Bill did the Cinnamon challenge.

[Meticode]

:roll: at the Denver Preview, shit is hilarious.

[magnax1]

I feel like the Cavs will probably be better than Detroit.

[chips93]

I feel like the Cavs will probably be better than Detroit.

both teams are really hard to predict

detroit has a lot of established talent, but how much can you really trust jennings and smith? will drummond grow as quick as everybody expects? plus shooting could be an issue. on the other hand monroe-jennings-smith is a great passing trio, as good as any in the league

the cavs have plenty of talent too, but their 3 best players are to varying degrees, injury prone.

[NugzFan]

He's had a variety of really bonehead plays, nothing magically funny like his earlier years but he's been out of control at times. The TNT crew practically does a segment on him with their silly plays reel. He's playing better but he hasn't become magically a very smart player 100%.

Never said he was smart but he's done nothing crazy the last few years. Far over blown

If he didn't have his rep from 5 years ago the TNT crew wouldn't have any segments to talk about.

[stax]

11 - Grizzlies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyUCvP3znM)

10 - Knicks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfr4LGlbtE)

[KyleKong]

11 - Grizzlies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyUCvP3znM)

10 - Knicks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfr4LGlbtE)

Updated. :cheers: :banana:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bill Simmons is the best, especially his chemistry with Jalen Rose. Champaign and Campaign all day.

[RagaZ]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Bill did the Cinnamon challenge.
He didnt even swallow it.

He just spat it out.

[KyleKong]

He didnt even swallow it.

He just spat it out.

I've done it before, its impossible to swallow it without coughing.

Also, bump for Golden State.

[ProfessorMurder]

I've done it before, its impossible to swallow it without coughing.

Also, bump for Golden State.

I did it and completed it. You just have to hold your breath for about 30-60 seconds until it gets the cinnamon wet enough to not fly into your lungs/up your sinuses.

[TheReturn]

I did it and completed it. You just have to hold your breath for about 30-60 seconds until it gets the cinnamon wet enough to not fly into your lungs/up your sinuses.
That sounds like fun.. :lol

[stax]

I did it and completed it. You just have to hold your breath for about 30-60 seconds until it gets the cinnamon wet enough to not fly into your lungs/up your sinuses.

F*** that. You should be in the Special Forces man. :lol


Re: Bill Simmon's NBA Preview: Ranking the Teams

I might be tempted to put some money on the Warriors before the season starts. 10/1 to win the conference in most places. The Pacers could be another good outside bet. Hmm...

[Wavves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmUjif1ntM

Rockets

[iDunk]

:lol I didn't know Simmons & Rose are allowed to curse in these.

[Rake2204]

I've done it before, its impossible to swallow it without coughing.This will sound awful, but I did this to a girl I was trying to date back in '03. It was before the whole CinnaChallenge YouTube craze so I didn't know what eating cinnamon straight up would do to someone. I just knew cinnamon flavored things tasted good so I thought it'd be funny to joke and pour some into her mouth.

It did not end well. Neither of us knew it'd cause her to nearly choke to death so I felt terrible. I kind of panicked and figured the best way to make it up to her was to quickly pour it down my own throat too, which again, did not end well. But I'm guessing those ten minutes where we both took turns desperately washing our mouths out in the bathroom sink really brought us closer together.

[KyleKong]

This will sound awful, but I did this to a girl I trying to date back in '03. It was before the whole CinnaChallenge YouTube craze so I didn't know what eating cinnamon straight up would do to someone. I just knew cinnamon flavored things tasted good so I thought it'd be funny to joke and pour some into her mouth.

It did not end well. Neither of us knew it'd cause her to nearly choke to death so I felt terrible. I kind of panicked and figured the best way to make it up to her was to quickly pour it down my own throat too, which again, did not end well. But I'm guessing those ten minutes where we both took turns desperately washing our mouths out in the bathroom sink really brought us closer together.

:bowdown: :roll:

[TheReturn]

This will sound awful, but I did this to a girl I trying to date back in '03. It was before the whole CinnaChallenge YouTube craze so I didn't know what eating cinnamon straight up would do to someone. I just knew cinnamon flavored things tasted good so I thought it'd be funny to joke and pour some into her mouth.

It did not end well. Neither of us knew it'd cause her to nearly choke to death so I felt terrible. I kind of panicked and figured the best way to make it up to her was to quickly pour it down my own throat too, which again, did not end well. But I'm guessing those ten minutes where we both took turns desperately washing our mouths out in the bathroom sink really brought us closer together.
:roll: :roll:

[Pra]

Nets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176mpmgE4Jk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

[Trollsmasher]

This will sound awful, but I did this to a girl I trying to date back in '03. It was before the whole CinnaChallenge YouTube craze so I didn't know what eating cinnamon straight up would do to someone. I just knew cinnamon flavored things tasted good so I thought it'd be funny to joke and pour some into her mouth.

It did not end well. Neither of us knew it'd cause her to nearly choke to death so I felt terrible. I kind of panicked and figured the best way to make it up to her was to quickly pour it down my own throat too, which again, did not end well. But I'm guessing those ten minutes where we both took turns desperately washing our mouths out in the bathroom sink really brought us closer together.
:lol :rockon:

[Dro]

This will sound awful, but I did this to a girl I trying to date back in '03. It was before the whole CinnaChallenge YouTube craze so I didn't know what eating cinnamon straight up would do to someone. I just knew cinnamon flavored things tasted good so I thought it'd be funny to joke and pour some into her mouth.

It did not end well. Neither of us knew it'd cause her to nearly choke to death so I felt terrible. I kind of panicked and figured the best way to make it up to her was to quickly pour it down my own throat too, which again, did not end well. But I'm guessing those ten minutes where we both took turns desperately washing our mouths out in the bathroom sink really brought us closer together.
:oldlol: That was probably the best thing you could do at the time was to do the same thing yourself...:bowdown:

[KyleKong]

Nets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176mpmgE4Jk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q

:cheers:

updated.

[Take Your Lumps]

http://i.imgur.com/nSCML30.jpg

[KyleKong]

I think Brooklyn is going to have a serious clash of egos.

They will all argue about who should take a game winning shot.

[The JKidd Kid]

I think Brooklyn is going to have a serious clash of egos.

They will all argue about who should take a game winning shot.

I disagree, this is a team full of veterans that all respect each others games. In crunch time you're going to have a ton of options. Peirce knows when he's needed and when he isn't. We never heard about him complaining about Allen taking a last shot. Joe doesn't complain at all and Deron was fine with deferring to Joe, who has a ridiculous gift of hitting clutch shots, late in games. KG and Lopez both know where their place is.

[305Baller]

I like these videos.

:clap

[ProfessorMurder]

I keep telling people KG is one of the best midrange shooters in the league. He's better than Dirk, better than Durant. KG is f*cking automatic.

I really like Brooklyn and think they could win if everybody is healthy.

They won't need to figure out who gets the last shot. It's Pierce or JJ, whichever is hotter at the moment.




Preemptive: Clippers are really overrated. Clippers aren't top 5.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I think Brooklyn is going to have a serious clash of egos.

They will all argue about who should take a game winning shot.
:biggums:

No. Joe Johnson? Clutch, but quiet and passive. KG? Not a clutch player. Deron off the dribble, with the pick and pop option of the super clutch Paul Pierce as the 2nd option. That's a legit end of game scenario that will be difficult for teams to defend.

Hell, even though he isn't good at end of game scoring, KG can finish that pick / pop shot too. You have to respect Deron off the dribble and the pick to turn the corner possibly getting a layup or the foul line.

I do think this Brooklyn team will work. And if they have their legs, and wind ... plus chemistry? Things could get ugly in the East.

I'd argue they're the only team in the East that can match mental head games + experience with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.

[stax]

Thunders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgevj0bojA8

[Uncle Drew]

Champagning and campaigning in Oklahoma City. :lol

[TheReturn]

Durant's shot-chart is just off the.. charts. I'm sort of excited to see what Durant can do when he has all the shots in the world.

[RagaZ]

Durant's shot-chart is just off the.. charts. I'm sort of excited to see what Durant can do when he has all the shots in the world.
Dont you live in Holland? :lol

I dont think you should be too cocky :lol

[TheReturn]

Dont you live in Holland? :lol

I dont think you should be too cocky :lol
What?

[RagaZ]

What?
Sh*thole outside of Amsterdam.

[TheReturn]

Sh*thole outside of Amsterdam.
Well for starters, I live in the center of Amsterdam.. but how was I being cocky? :lol :confusedshrug:

[Thorpesaurous]

I keep telling people KG is one of the best midrange shooters in the league. He's better than Dirk, better than Durant. KG is f*cking automatic.

I really like Brooklyn and think they could win if everybody is healthy.

They won't need to figure out who gets the last shot. It's Pierce or JJ, whichever is hotter at the moment.




Preemptive: Clippers are really overrated. Clippers aren't top 5.


I like all types of options for the Nets at the end of games. Iso'ing Pierce at the elbow was a go to for the Celtics, and at least it's a shot you know he can get up on the rim for you.
The pick and pop with Deron and Garnett, with shooters and cutters around it, Lopez there for little pocket passes.
And I think going to Lopez with shooters on his weekside is a really nice option. Run wide screen with PP and Deron to the sideline while a cross screen runs from Garnett to Lopez. Deron dumps it into the post, and KG flashes to high weakside elbow after cut. Now if they dig, back to Deron. Help from the top yields PP at the elbow on a pick and pop. Cross diagonal is KG from 18 feet. Long cross is JJ. A kick out that runs through all the swing passes yields JJ. And it can run straight into PP running high PnR to the weakside with KG, with Deron in his week corner, JJ in his strong corner, KG popping behind him, and help from down low coming from Lopez's defender with Deron's guy being the most likely helper on his back, which should leave stuff open.

I agree that the Clipps feel a bit overrated. I love all the shooting they've surrounded CP3 with. But that front line is not deep. And none of them are particularly good defenders, which is sort of the whole point of the Thibideau flood side defense that Doc runs. I think they'll be fascinating to watch. Can Doc get those guys to run that scheme, or was KG's presence, and now Noah's presence, at the back of those Thib schemes, calling out all the movement, something that's harder to find than it is to create?

[ProfessorMurder]

I like all types of options for the Nets at the end of games. Iso'ing Pierce at the elbow was a go to for the Celtics, and at least it's a shot you know he can get up on the rim for you.
The pick and pop with Deron and Garnett, with shooters and cutters around it, Lopez there for little pocket passes.
And I think going to Lopez with shooters on his weekside is a really nice option. Run wide screen with PP and Deron to the sideline while a cross screen runs from Garnett to Lopez. Deron dumps it into the post, and KG flashes to high weakside elbow after cut. Now if they dig, back to Deron. Help from the top yields PP at the elbow on a pick and pop. Cross diagonal is KG from 18 feet. Long cross is JJ. A kick out that runs through all the swing passes yields JJ. And it can run straight into PP running high PnR to the weakside with KG, with Deron in his week corner, JJ in his strong corner, KG popping behind him, and help from down low coming from Lopez's defender with Deron's guy being the most likely helper on his back, which should leave stuff open.

I agree that the Clipps feel a bit overrated. I love all the shooting they've surrounded CP3 with. But that front line is not deep. And none of them are particularly good defenders, which is sort of the whole point of the Thibideau flood side defense that Doc runs. I think they'll be fascinating to watch. Can Doc get those guys to run that scheme, or was KG's presence, and now Noah's presence, at the back of those Thib schemes, calling out all the movement, something that's harder to find than it is to create?

Agreed with your end game scenarios with Brooklyn. I meant if they needed an iso created shot it goes to Pierce or JJ... But hell even Terry can hit game winners.

Clippers have no defense at all outside of Barnes. I'm interested in what Simmons mentioned, "Was Rondo 'dribbling too much' a Rondo thing or a Doc thing?" I'm guessing it was Doc, but we'll find out.

[Pra]

Clippers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_BSBRnZNo

[stax]

Bahaha the 'Skip Bayless vortex' and Shawn Kemp's kids, some good animations in that one. :oldlol:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

the bulls are going to be #1.

[Trollsmasher]

the bulls are going to be #1.
We did not know that:eek:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

We did not know that:eek:
the bulls are going to be #1

[KyleKong]

Updated for Thunder and Clippers :rockon: :banana: :banana:

[russwest0]

>Doesn't get out of first round
>Somehow still better than OKC who got out of the first round without Westbrook

[KyleKong]

Watching Thunder's right now.

2 things:

1 - Simmons and Jalen are 10000% correct, keeping Perkins and trading Harden destroyed their chances at championships.

2 - KD's shot chart :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

And the Tom Brady part hahahahaha

[ballup]

Watching Thunder's right now.

2 things:

1 - Simmons and Jalen are 10000% correct, keeping Perkins and trading Harden destroyed their chances at championships.

2 - KD's shot chart :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

And the Tom Brady part hahahahaha
Like everyone else has said for the past season?

[Rose'sACL]

>Doesn't get out of first round
>Somehow still better than OKC who got out of the first round without Westbrook
are you some 12 yr old edgy kid from 4chan? because only those kids try to green-text on other sites.
Also, watch the NBA and try to understand it before commenting. The only reason you are here is to troll and because you know Westbrook is gay and you think you have a chance to suck his dick someday.

[crunk-juice]

anyone know when #4 is coming?

[Meticode]

anyone know when #4 is coming?
Either tomorrow or Monday. They'll probably do 4/3/2/1 all by the 28th.

[crunk-juice]

Either tomorrow or Monday. They'll probably do 4/3/2/1 all by the 28th.


thank you.


very entertaining series.

[stax]

Pacers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_Q_aq-2cQ

[Shade8780]

I ****ing love this series. What will I do when it ends? :(

[Jameerthefear]

How are we that low?

[Shade8780]

How are we that low?
Agreed. If Olynyk doesnt win ;), Oladipo for ROY! Tobias and Vucevic are beasts as well.

[Jameerthefear]

Agreed. If Olynyk doesnt win ;), Oladipo for ROY! Tobias and Vucevic are beasts as well.
Watching the Magic one right now. They talk about a RealGM renting thread about the Tobias trade :roll: Wish ISH could get that kind of popularity.

[Shade8780]

Watching the Magic one right now. They talk about a RealGM renting thread about the Tobias trade :roll: Wish ISH could get that kind of popularity.
That was hilarious :lol They may have a great replacement in Po though.

[crunk-juice]

haha can't believe Jalen mention Geist Reservoir. I'm 1 minute from there.


anyway good Pacers preview, perhaps a little heavy on the Legend clips :lol

[KyleKong]

haha can't believe Jalen mention Geist Reservoir. I'm 1 minute from there.


anyway good Pacers preview, perhaps a little heavy on the Legend clips :lol

Ice in his veins!!

[TheReturn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJIn4Otnoqc

#3 Spurs.

[nightprowler10]

They're going to take so much shit for rating Miami 2nd lol. Bill's Poohdini tee is definitely foretelling of the #1 spot. :cheers:

[TheMan]

I hope they don't pick the Bulls #1. Would rather sneak up on muthafukkas.

[Meticode]

I hope they don't pick the Bulls #1. Would rather sneak up on muthafukkas.
How do you figure you'll sneak up? They were project at least as a top 3 team in the East. Miami, Chicago and Indiana. Indiana got Bird back and he got ride of all the players he didn't bring into the team when he was gone for a year and made their bench better.

[no pun intended]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJIn4Otnoqc

#3 Spurs.
Shit. That was hard to watch.

[Dro]

I hope they don't pick the Bulls #1. Would rather sneak up on muthafukkas.
Honestly, I don't see how Simmon's rates the Bulls higher than the Heat, Spurs, or Pacers...The Bulls should have been 4th...

[TheMan]

Honestly, I don't see how Simmon's rates the Bulls higher than the Heat, Spurs, or Pacers...The Bulls should have been 4th...
I agree with that, we still need that legit second scorer IMO. Simmons sees something I don't. Hopefully he picks the Heat at #1, I think he will. You always gotta give the champs the benefit of the doubt until someone actually knocks them off.

[bigt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pHk75rm1A

Miami's up

[Bobcats2013]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pHk75rm1A

Miami's up

What!? Bulls ahead of the Heat?

Either shock factor ranking, or brilliant marketing campaign by Rose.

[Meticode]

What!? Bulls ahead of the Heat?

Either shock factor ranking, or brilliant marketing campaign by Rose.
As Simmons said. It's really hard to win 3 in a row. And this season the quality of teams in the East are higher than ever. Brooklyn, Indiana and Chicago will all trade punches with them. Especially Indiana and Brooklyn. Brooklyn is so well balanced seemingly on offense, what's going to matter is their health. Then Bird came back to the front office in Indiana and got rid of all the players he didn't bring to the team while he was gone and added a better bench.

[crunk-juice]

it is hard to win 3 in a row. good thing the Heat only have to win 1 to do it.

[Harison]

Heat should have been No.1, and I dont like them.

Its true its very hard to 3peat, but since Heat trio superstars are healthy, they should be regarded as Top1 until someone knocks them out. In RS they wont have Top record, but in PO they will be as dangerous as ever.

[longtime lurker]

Heat should have been No.1, and I dont like them.

Its true its very hard to 3peat, but since Heat trio superstars are healthy, they should be regarded as Top1 until someone knocks them out. In RS they wont have Top record, but in PO they will be as dangerous as ever.

True, but do champions always get the benefit of the doubt? For example, do the 2012 Mavs still be considered number 1 after letting go of most of their championship core? If these guys objectively think that the Bulls are better I don't see what's so wrong in saying that.

[niko]

As Simmons said. It's really hard to win 3 in a row. And this season the quality of teams in the East are higher than ever. Brooklyn, Indiana and Chicago will all trade punches with them. Especially Indiana and Brooklyn. Brooklyn is so well balanced seemingly on offense, what's going to matter is their health. Then Bird came back to the front office in Indiana and got rid of all the players he didn't bring to the team while he was gone and added a better bench.
Chicago is a much bigger problem to the Heat than Brooklyn. Chicago is fast, athletic and beats the Heat up. The Nets have a lot of talent and very balanced offense but are slower and much less athletic. Which would Lebron have more trouble with?

[Wavves]

Surprised with how well Bill explained the reasons for having the Heat #2 (except for when he said he thinks they will run out of luck this time:oldlol: ). I still think they should of been #1 until they get dethroned first, but he made some good points.

Can't wait for the Bulls.

[Trollsmasher]

I don't think I need to say I disagree with Bill, but he at least presents his points well, unlike other "analysts".

:lol at D-Wade exwife in the "lost"

[ballup]

I get Simmons reasoning for not putting the Heat at #1, but I don't get why he gives it to the Bulls. Sure Rose comes back, Noah has improved a bit, Butler emerged, and no one else fell off, but their bench isn't so impressive. Then again, the Heat didn't have an amazing paper bench either so we'll have to wait until this afternoon to find out.

[longtime lurker]

I get Simmons reasoning for not putting the Heat at #1, but I don't get why he gives it to the Bulls. Sure Rose comes back, Noah has improved a bit, Butler emerged, and no one else fell off, but their bench isn't so impressive. Then again, the Heat didn't have an amazing paper bench either so we'll have to wait until this afternoon to find out.

Think about it. They were a 2nd round team without Deng, Hinrich or Rose. Now not only do you they get Deng and Hinrich back healthy, but you're adding a MVP caliber player to a core an already strong core. Add in Butler's improvement and I can see a strong case to be made for the Bulls.

[TheReturn]

I have no problems at all with the way Simmons ranks the teams. Thought it was interesting what they said about Bosh and Wade. Also, I agree this is do or die for Beasley.

[Rose'sACL]

Chicago is a much bigger problem to the Heat than Brooklyn. Chicago is fast, athletic and beats the Heat up. The Nets have a lot of talent and very balanced offense but are slower and much less athletic. Which would Lebron have more trouble with?
Bulls players lose their cool when playing against miami. thibs needs to fix that or else they will never beat miami even if bulls have the better team.
Miami is the smaller team and still bulls players lose their cool and pick up technical for no reason.
May be bulls players feel bad that they play in a big market and still a small market team like Miami gets more attention.

bill is right about one thing though. Regular season is going to be hard for heat as most good teams will treat games against Miami like playoff games.
If nets are healthy then they are the best team in the east without question but that is a big if.

[TheMan]

I still think we're a legit second scorer away from beating the Heat:banghead:

But Go Bulls:rockon: