Shumpert only has star potential as a Point Gaurd with the Knicks

[el gringos]

Shumpert can only become a knick great if they use him as a point gaurd.

If you don't want to use him at pg then you should want to trade him.

[el gringos]

Shumpert is top 5 athlete at pg in the nba. Shumpert defensive ability vs 1's could be even more dominant than against 2's and 3's


How does a team try to match up with shumpert if the other two guys are Carmelo and jr smith along the perimeter?

[Scoooter]

If that's true then I'd say he doesn't really have star potential. I don't see him at point guard on a serious team. Unless that team has some kind of Larry Bird-type forward who can completely run an offense.

[knickscity]

Shumpert isnt a pg, he's a defense first guard who may become a player with a reliable outside shot.

What's the obsession with wanting him to a point?

[Rameek]

As talented and athletic Shump is the experiment went to the side because that would be such a long term project improving his handles and the mental aspect of playing PG. He didnt come into the league with an offensive game nor the handles. Right now he needs to focus on getting his offensive game respectable. He hasnt been healthy during the off-seasons either.

[franchize]

The window to try this is closed. If they wanted him to become a PG, they should have done it in his rookie year. Now, he's alredy started finding his niche in the league. He's patterned his game as a wing player. Let it go.

[kNicKz]

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[el gringos]

Although he played with Felton and prigioni shumpert clearly was at his his with the ball in his hands against the celtics.

I'm worried that many of you believe bringing the ball up the court is the job of an nba pg. or that it's true that shumpert doesn't have star potential.

This teams weakness is Felton and chandler being primary options on offense. 3 guys as good as Carmelo, Bargnani, and jr smith- add in shumpert and there's no way Felton/chandler should be such a priority

[franchize]

Although he played with Felton and prigioni shumpert clearly was at his his with the ball in his hands against the celtics.

I'm worried that many of you believe bringing the ball up the court is the job of an nba pg. or that it's true that shumpert doesn't have star potential.

This teams weakness is Felton and chandler being primary options on offense. 3 guys as good as Carmelo, Bargnani, and jr smith- add in shumpert and there's no way Felton/chandler should be such a priority

It's not THE job but it is A job. An important job.

[Da KO King]

Barring an off-season player development miracle Iman Shumpert is NOT a starting PG in the NBA.

[el gringos]

So shumpert at PG or do you trade him. Does he have Ron Harper pg skills?

His size and athleticism defensively at the point will put a lot of pressure on opposing gaurds

[bluechox2]

hes a shooting guard...live with it, he has terrible court vision

[Scoooter]

El gringo's obsession aside, it might work if the team runs something akin to the triangle (a good bet, I'd say) this season. Derek Fisher never had to do shit but bring the ball up and shoot the occasional three.

[Rameek]

The obsession is utterly ridiculous at this point. I dont care what offense is run Shump needs to be better than a Thabo Sefolosha. At this point thats all he is. The bottom line is he isnt a PG, SG, or SF his position is a Thabo.

[el gringos]

The obsession is utterly ridiculous at this point. I dont care what offense is run Shump needs to be better than a Thabo Sefolosha. At this point thats all he is. The bottom line is he isnt a PG, SG, or SF his position is a Thabo.
What does that mean? Not capable offensively to play any of the 3 spots?

[Rameek]

What does that mean? Not capable offensively to play any of the 3 spots?
All he is to this point is a defensive specialist at best so at this point the kid is a Thabo and nothing more.

You can desire this guy to be a PG (dont know why he has none of the skills or mindset to do it). He needs to find some kind of offensive game.

[el gringos]

All he is to this point is a defensive specialist at best so at this point the kid is a Thabo and nothing more.

You can desire this guy to be a PG (dont know why he has none of the skills or mindset to do it). He needs to find some kind of offensive game.

Positions are defensive. It's about who you cover- and I want him covering guards and disrupting flow. I agree w you on his offensive game. But if he still needs to do something why not move the ball and make entry passes?

[Scoooter]

Entry passes are a skill like anything else, and good entry passes are always in demand. I don't think trivializing them lends much weight to your analysis.

I also don't think I've seen anything to suggest that Iman Shumpert is particularly capable of making good entry passes. It's possible, but let's not assume it as a given.

[el gringos]

Entry passes are a skill like anything else, and good entry passes are always in demand. I don't think trivializing them lends much weight to your analysis.

I also don't think I've seen anything to suggest that Iman Shumpert is particularly capable of making good entry passes. It's possible, but let's not assume it as a given.didn't mean to seem to trivialize. I'm serious about entry passes and the importance they may take in a different offense esp if triangle. He has the advantage of size to start with. (At pg)

[Rameek]

didn't mean to seem to trivialize. I'm serious about entry passes and the importance they may take in a different offense esp if triangle. He has the advantage of size to start with. (At pg)
At this point not knowing the coach yet no one can definitively say what players position anyone will play. If " Big Chief Triangle" will hire a Triangle coach.

The triangle offense isnt a difficult offense but it requires some intelligence, willing passers, capable passers, and shooters.

Shump wont be anything without some NBA offense (See Thabo a role player). Now I do think under Woody and that staff he hasnt progressed (under D'Antoni he looked better but everyone did). Lets see what happens with the next regime.

[el gringos]

If Shumpert stays he stays as a pg/sg off the bench. What a more perfect backup to Calderon to come in and cover when Calderon is having problems defensively.

Calderon/shumpert
Jr smith
Carmelo/cleanthony
_________
Bargnani/Jason smith

If the blank spot can be filled in that's a hell of a rotation

[Rameek]

If Shumpert stays he stays as a pg/sg off the bench. What a more perfect backup to Calderon to come in and cover when Calderon is having problems defensively.

Calderon/shumpert
Jr smith
Carmelo/cleanthony
_________
Bargnani/Jason smith

If the blank spot can be filled in that's a hell of a rotation
At some point you will come out the haze and come to the realization that Shump isnt a PG and wont be doing that. He is going to be a back up SG/SF for defensive purposes.

Early will barely make the roster also the kid cant dribble.

Zen has already stated that he has a glut at SG and only maybe 2 SF's which is an issue he probably will address at some point.

[el gringos]

Would you rather have shumpert covering a sf or a pg? Would you rather have shumpert or prigioni defending Kyrie or Rose?


Just don't be surprised if they try to play shumpert against guards. Oh wait you might be surprised if you don't even understand that positions are defensive and about matchups and that shumperts most advantageous matchups both ways come against pg's

[Rameek]

Would you rather have shumpert covering a sf or a pg? Would you rather have shumpert or prigioni defending Kyrie or Rose?


Just don't be surprised if they try to play shumpert against guards. Oh wait you might be surprised if you don't even understand that positions are defensive and about matchups and that shumperts most advantageous matchups both ways come against pg's
Really you're questioning my understanding? Maybe you havent gotten the memo yet Shump hasn't been that guy since his injury. Obviously you dont watch the Knicks enough to know he guarda SG/SF's.

[el gringos]

Really you're questioning my understanding? Maybe you havent gotten the memo yet Shump hasn't been that guy since his injury. Obviously you dont watch the Knicks enough to know he guarda SG/SF's.
I'm not questioning your understanding of what the Knicks have done over the last few. Every minute shumpert has played was with Felton, prigioni, or both. Of course he defends sg's or sf's.


I'm just saying he would have the most advantages as a defender against guards.


Who do you think would defend pg's better- shumpert or prigioni?


The best 3 guys defensively that the Knicks could go with 1-3 is shumpert/jr/Carmelo

[Rameek]

I'm not questioning your understanding of what the Knicks have done over the last few. Every minute shumpert has played was with Felton, prigioni, or both. Of course he defends sg's or sf's.


I'm just saying he would have the most advantages as a defender against guards.


Who do you think would defend pg's better- shumpert or prigioni?


The best 3 guys defensively that the Knicks could go with 1-3 is shumpert/jr/Carmelo
Prigs didnt guard terrible last year. Shump is going to come off the bench and guard whoever to be honest. But if Shump is guarding the PG then who is Caldy going to guard?

[el gringos]

Prigs didnt guard terrible last year. Shump is going to come off the bench and guard whoever to be honest. But if Shump is guarding the PG then who is Caldy going to guard?
If shumpert comes off the bench for Calderon, who does Calderon cover? I guess Kurt Rambis or prigioni.


Calderon won't cover pg only. At 6-5 he will cover the lesser of guards 1 or 2. Whether they use shumpert as a backup pg or not he will still cover pg's more than last year.


Maybe you're right and early isn't ready- I guess in that case it make a shumpert more likely to defend 3's, but that's out of necessity not best fit

[el gringos]

Wish I wouldn't have titled it w the word "star". It came from most of you believing he was a star in the making.


Funny thing is that as all of your opinions of him have plummeted my view of him has stayed the same. His highest ceiling (esp now, w this team and this system) is as a pg.


Shumpert is the perfect change up from Calderon, and keeps the team big. Does anyone want to discuss the difference I shumpert and prigioni in terms of who should be getting backup pg minutes.


Or do you guys want to wait for the first week of training camp to act surprised they are playing him at pg

[smoovegittar]

Wish I wouldn't have titled it w the word "star". It came from most of you believing he was a star in the making.


Funny thing is that as all of your opinions of him have plummeted my view of him has stayed the same. His highest ceiling (esp now, w this team and this system) is as a pg.


Shumpert is the perfect change up from Calderon, and keeps the team big. Does anyone want to discuss the difference I shumpert and prigioni in terms of who should be getting backup pg minutes.


Or do you guys want to wait for the first week of training camp to act surprised they are playing him at pg

I'll wait until the first few games to see if your infinite wisdom should prove fallible. I don't believe Iman is a PG. Let that suffice for now.

[Rameek]

Wish I wouldn't have titled it w the word "star". It came from most of you believing he was a star in the making.


Funny thing is that as all of your opinions of him have plummeted my view of him has stayed the same. His highest ceiling (esp now, w this team and this system) is as a pg.


Shumpert is the perfect change up from Calderon, and keeps the team big. Does anyone want to discuss the difference I shumpert and prigioni in terms of who should be getting backup pg minutes.


Or do you guys want to wait for the first week of training camp to act surprised they are playing him at pg
You honestly can not discuss what gives you the notion the guy is a PG more or less differentiate who should get minutes as a back up.

Explain to everyone what abilities and skills and production you have seen with Shumpert playing this role, would be a good start.

Once you've done that I am sure you will have a good discussion about why he isnt one. Or possibly you can change someone's mind that he should be.

For example I know you are going to say in the Triangle System the PG isnt necessary a key but you would only be referring to the basic formation but there are hundreds of variations that would require a great ball handler and decision maker.

[Da KO King]

On the first page of this post I said Iman Shumpert would never be a starting NBA PG. At the time I never considered the Knicks becoming a Phil Jackson Triangle project.

With Jackson building the roster and Derek Fisher installing the Triangle offense, Shumpert being a starting PG is a possibility. The Triangle takes the emphasis for the PG off playmaking. With the Triangle Shump would be a cutter looking to keep the floor spaced, occassionally knock down an open look, and be a pest on defense.

[el gringos]

The things shumpert could do on the glass against even weaker defenders? This guy could be a game changing rebounder as a pg. His movement looks great.


If you guys can't see it yet the Knicks are playing a 2 guard front. You can't play 1 spot if you can't play the other.


Prigioni and Larkin need to be kept off the floor. Shumpert has to take those minutes for the Knicks to mad out this year

[el gringos]

So I thought it would be week 1. I was wrong.

So they start practicing a shumpert/smith backcourt yesterday. Hope we see some of it in the game.

[smoovegittar]

So I thought it would be week 1. I was wrong.

So they start practicing a shumpert/smith backcourt yesterday. Hope we see some of it in the game.
I think you will. J.R. is a big question mark for management; they're gonna get him involved quickly to see if he's a worthy investment for the future.

[el gringos]

Starts the 3rd quarter at pg. Team plays best they play all night. Coincidence? No, shumpert is a beast when matched up against pg's.

[el gringos]

One of if not the highlight of the season has been shumpert. He goes down last night and not a mention. What a losing mentality in this board. I was counting on someone to post an update. Are you all in a private message circle jerk because your ashamed to talk about a team w a terrible record after 10


A serious injury to shumpert is a huge deal. I loved the way he was playing and where he was headed.

[smoovegittar]

Are you all in a private message circle jerk because your ashamed to talk about a team w a terrible record after 10

No. Chances are, we're tired of the same crap you keep posting about your idea of the perfect team. Your responses to your own posts would be the circle jerk part.

[knickscity]

The team boards have never been really strong, a few posts here and there.

Basically drop a thought, then drop the mic.

But this team sucks hard, whats there really to talk about? How bad they suck?