Need help wth this NBA Mystery involving the bulls/pistons from 1991

[sportsfan76]

Ok I remember the Pistons from 1987 to 1990 being so dominant by how they beat the Bulls, overtook the Celtics, and then beat the Lakers. So my question is how can a team that had just won the title in 1990 and beat the Bulls on their way to the title get swept by that same Bulls team the following season?

1. Who did the Bulls have on their team new to compete with the Pistons in 1991?

2. Who did the Pistons lose to prevent them from dominating the Bulls as usual?


I mean I know a team is not going to win forever but how in the hell did this great pistons team get swept when they just won the title the previous season? From my memory I believe that Laimbeer, Isiah, Dumars, Vinnie Johnson, Rodman, and John Salley was still on the team.


So if that's the case what the hell happened???

[iamgine]

Isiah Thomas' injury. Detroit was pretty old. Bulls was young and got better.

[Haymaker]

MJ's will, Pistons not being hungry enough to win a 3rd title. Better team chemistry in the Bulls than their previous season.

[KG215]

Ok I remember the Pistons from 1987 to 1990 being so dominant by how they beat the Bulls, overtook the Celtics, and then beat the Lakers. So my question is how can a team that had just won the title in 1990 and beat the Bulls on their way to the title get swept by that same Bulls team the following season?

1. Who did the Bulls have on their team new to compete with the Pistons in 1991?

2. Who did the Pistons lose to prevent them from dominating the Bulls as usual?


I mean I know a team is not going to win forever but how in the hell did this great pistons team get swept when they just won the title the previous season? From my memory I believe that Laimbeer, Isiah, Dumars, Vinnie Johnson, Rodman, and John Salley was still on the team.


So if that's the case what the hell happened???
Dominating? In 1989 the Bulls took the Pistons to 6 games in the ECF....Detroit's only two playoff losses that year. And in 1990 they took Detroit 7 games in the ECF.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Injuries, fatigue, and the Bulls / Jordan dead set on beating them.

[DuMa]

Isaiah said it on Open Court recently. Phil as the coach and adding the triangle made Jordan a dual threat on offense since the offense allowed him to trust the 4th and 5th man on offense. It also put Jordan in many different spots on offense which confused the Pistons defense on when to trap and double.

[Spaulding]

Isaiah said it on Open Court recently. Phil as the coach and adding the triangle made Jordan a dual threat on offense since the offense allowed him to trust the 4th and 5th man on offense. It also put Jordan in many different spots on offense which confused the Pistons defense on when to trap and double.

Isaiah did really well on open court. I hope he is on the rest
Take 3D out put in Barkley. Perhaps replace hill with webber.

[sportsfan76]

Isiah Thomas' injury. Detroit was pretty old. Bulls was young and got better.


How much could they have aged in one year?

[sportsfan76]

Dominating? In 1989 the Bulls took the Pistons to 6 games in the ECF....Detroit's only two playoff losses that year. And in 1990 they took Detroit 7 games in the ECF.


Which means that it should have been another 6 or 7 game series. It's just mind boggling how the series resulted in a Bulls sweep

[KG215]

Which means that it should have been another 6 or 7 game series. It's just mind boggling how the series resulted in a Bulls sweep
Ok, but that wasn't my points. You said the Pistons were dominating the Bulls before 1991, but they weren't.

[sportsfan76]

Isaiah said it on Open Court recently. Phil as the coach and adding the triangle made Jordan a dual threat on offense since the offense allowed him to trust the 4th and 5th man on offense. It also put Jordan in many different spots on offense which confused the Pistons defense on when to trap and double.


Oh ok so coach Daly was unable to adjust to what the bulls and showed his weakness as a coach

[sportsfan76]

Ok, but that wasn't my points. You said the Pistons were dominating the Bulls before 1991, but they weren't.


Ok maybe I should have used the word competitive instead of dominating.

[97 bulls]

Why are you guys crediting Jordan? He didnt have that will when they played them before?

The Bulls flat out just improved. And Thomas "injury" did not and could not swing that rivalry that much in the Bulls favor. They went from hard fought six and seven games series to winning in a sweep in dominating fashion.

The bottom line is the Bulls were just better than the Pistons

[eurobum]

Isaiah did really well on open court. I hope he is on the rest
Take 3D out put in Barkley. Perhaps replace hill with webber.

Anyone know where to download/stream full episodes?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Isaiah did really well on open court. I hope he is on the rest
Take 3D out put in Barkley. Perhaps replace hill with webber.

Yeah, 3D was out of his realm. He kept deflecting questions and then tried to steal the moderator role from Ernie. Grant Hill was alright. He just seemed a little too young compared to the rest of the panel. Not sure how much insight he has for some of these topics.

I still prefer the original group. Except subtract Shaq for anyone. Give me Reggie, Barkley, Smith, Jet, Webber, Kerr, and not Shaq or 3D. Brent and Zeke are fine.

[sportsfan76]

Why are you guys crediting Jordan? He didnt have that will when they played them before?

The Bulls flat out just improved. And Thomas "injury" did not and could not swing that rivalry that much in the Bulls favor. They went from hard fought six and seven games series to winning in a sweep in dominating fashion.

The bottom line is the Bulls were just better than the Pistons


what type of injury did Isiah have during the 1991 ECF?

[iamgine]

How much could they have aged in one year?
Enough to get swept.

[ZenMaster]

The Pistons made the rim towards their bench tighter than in the other end, making it harder to hit shots on that basket. Phil Jackson figured that out during those years, can't remember when though.

[sportsfan76]

Why are you guys crediting Jordan? He didnt have that will when they played them before?

The Bulls flat out just improved. And Thomas "injury" did not and could not swing that rivalry that much in the Bulls favor. They went from hard fought six and seven games series to winning in a sweep in dominating fashion.

The bottom line is the Bulls were just better than the Pistons


Telling me the Bulls were just better is not answering the question. What exactly them so much better just 12 months later?

[sportsfan76]

Does anyone know if the Pistons had a weaker bench that season? Just trying to get a full understanding of the whole sweep thing

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pistons didn't have the mental focus for a three peat. Chicago had improved diversity on offense, an advantage in the determination department, and had adapted to Detroit's bullying tactics. And another huge necessary boost was Jordan's supplemental players, Pippen and Grant primarily, finally started to have a glimmer of mental toughness. That's why they dominated the Pistons.

[97 bulls]

Telling me the Bulls were just better is not answering the question. What exactly them so much better just 12 months later?
To be honest a large portion was Scotte Pippen. His improvement gave Jordan and the Bulls that second guy that could take over games.

But also was the fact that the Bulls no longer allowed the Pistons antics to get to them.

[HomieWeMajor]

In the summer of 1990 MJ saw Scottie in the showers and the rest is history.

[NumberSix]

Injuries, fatigue, and the Bulls / Jordan dead set on beating them.
This. As we all know, Jordan didn't want to beat them the previous seasons.

[sportsfan76]

This. As we all know, Jordan didn't want to beat them the previous seasons.


Maybe it was because the NBA was no longer on CBS LOL

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This. As we all know, Jordan didn't want to beat them the previous seasons.

Lol of course he did. It's just 3 straight years of being eliminated by the SAME team would probably give him and his Bulls more incentive....well that and HC advantage.

[sportsfan76]

Lol of course he did. It's just 3 straight years of being eliminated by the SAME team would probably give him and his Bulls more incentive....well that and HC advantage.


I think that is the answer

The Pistons lost in 1991 because they did not have the HCA

[poido123]

How much could they have aged in one year?

One year? :confusedshrug:

[nnn123]

Honestly, the bulls were just much better and no longer afraid of the Pistons. They had about the same roster. But Pippen, Grant, Cartwright and Paxson were all on fire, as opposed to previous years. It's as simple as that. Maybe it's the triangle that made them mesh so well

[PHILA]

Pippen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_Ut69JBuU&t=8m59s

[jzek]

Jordan transformed into his final Super Saiyan 4 form and that was it for everybody else who played against him in that decade.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think that is the answer

The Pistons lost in 1991 because they did not have the HCA

There are a number of factors as to why Chicago beat Detroit. Having HCA was one of the many.

[Spaulding]

Anyone know where to download/stream full episodes?

Use torrents.