09 Lebron vs 03 Kobe bryant

[juju151111]

Who was better?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lebron easily.

[PJR]

The guy who was wining 66 games with a core of Mo Williams, Delonte West, Big Z, and Varejao

[kennethgriffin]

lebron more efficient


kobe more skilled

both great production.

but that was the year kobe set the all time single game 3 point record and had 2 entire months averaging 40+ppg

9 straight 40 point games

[TheMarkMadsen]

lebron more efficient


kobe more skilled

both great production.

but that was the year kobe set the all time single game 3 point record and had 2 entire months averaging 40+ppg

9 straight 40 point games


Kobe had a 13 game stretch that year where he scored 551 points..

1st Team All-NBA
1st Team All-Defense
3rd MVP Voting.

League Ranks:
#1 Field Goals made
#1 Total Points
#2 Total Minutes Played
#2 Free Throws Made
#3 Total Steals

9 Straight 40+ Point Games. Tied with Michael Jordan all-time.

30.0 ppg 6.9 rpg 5.9 apg 2.2 spg 0.8 bpg 45%FG/38%3P/84%FT/55%TS

[TheMilkyBarKid]

LeBron. That ecf.

[fpliii]

9 40+ point games was super impressive. T4 longest streak in league history. I'm inclined to say LeBron, but that was a great, great regular season by Kobe.

[Heavincent]

Kobe.

[9erempiree]

I'm going with Kobe.

The only argument people bring up to say Lebron is better than Kobe is that regular season record. Which is a team record.

[Chrono90]

Kobe had a great year. Kobe.

[9erempiree]

One thing people tend to forget is that Kobe's regular season's peak is better than Lebron's. Lebron is consistent during the regular season but Kobe has a better peak.

[kNicKz]

Kobe was unstoppable that year

[Eric Cartman]

Kobe was unstoppable that year

Most of the years.

[plowking]

Kobe.

:oldlol:

[Heavincent]

:oldlol:

Problem sir?

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron easily

[KG215]

While I'm still prefer 2008 Kobe for his best all-around season, I feel like 2003 gets overlooked. He was really damn good that year. But better than 2009 LeBron? LeBron was just unreal in 2009 and I still think it's closer to his 2013 season than probably most other people.

[9erempiree]

While I'm still prefer 2008 Kobe for his best all-around season, I feel like 2003 gets overlooked. He was really damn good that year. But better than 2009 LeBron? LeBron was just unreal in 2009 and I still think it's closer to his 2013 season than probably most other people.

Like many people that say Lebron, you still didn't give a reason why and nobody has either. We brought up why Kobe was better.

Most people will bring up his regular season wins that year which is a team accomplishment.

Lebron did nothing remarkable that year.

[KOBE143]

To be fair, LeBron 09 season was pretty impressive but Kobe 03 is still far better and its not even close.. Most of LeBron stats came from statspadding against weak team = not legit/not impressive while Kobe came from hardwork = impressive/legendary/legit and its against competitive team..

[plowking]

Problem sir?

Its funny when you write something and you don't agree with it yourself.

[#number6ix#]

LeBron:
MVP
All nba first team
All nba defense first team
2nd in scoring
8th in assist
8th in steals
14th in double doubles
3rd in field goal made

[branslowski]

Kobes. 9 straight 40pt games. Doubt anyone besides the next Kobe/Jordan type player ever does that. Also Kobe's was pre handchecking rules. Not that thats important, but hey.

[NumberSix]

The one that was an MVP.


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[plowking]

Kobes. 9 straight 40pt games. Doubt anyone besides the next Kobe/Jordan type player ever does that. Also Kobe's was pre handchecking rules. Not that thats important, but hey.

9 straight 40 point games were nice, but he wasn't a better player. Come on. I didn't even like Lebron at the Cavs, but I'm not blind like some of the people on here.

[eliteballer]

9 straight 40 point games were nice, but he wasn't a better player. Come on. I didn't even like Lebron at the Cavs, but I'm not blind like some of the people on here.

1. You don't like Kobe

2. You're a Heat fan.

[kNicKz]

The one that was an MVP.


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[branslowski]

9 straight 40 point games were nice, but he wasn't a better player. Come on. I didn't even like Lebron at the Cavs, but I'm not blind like some of the people on here.

That was my fav reason for that season.

First Team All NBA
First Team All Defense

30ppg 7reb 6ast...All Round while still being the most exciting scorer in the game. Doin shit during the season that only GOAT Jordan has done? Breaking 3pt made in a game record?

You cant go wrong with either choice. Only someone who hates the other player would laugh at either selection. Brons year was dope aswell.

[DMAVS41]

Like many people that say Lebron, you still didn't give a reason why and nobody has either. We brought up why Kobe was better.

Most people will bring up his regular season wins that year which is a team accomplishment.

Lebron did nothing remarkable that year.

Lebron was better because he played better in the playoffs.

35/9/7 62% TS vs 32/5/5 53% TS

Can't wait to hear how Kobe's is better.

[Heavincent]

Its funny when you write something and you don't agree with it yourself.

It's funny how you act like a whiny little bitch every time someone disagrees with you.

[juju151111]

The obvious answer is LJ.

[plowking]

It's funny how you act like a whiny little bitch every time someone disagrees with you.

You don't disagree with me. :oldlol:

[plowking]

That was my fav reason for that season.

First Team All NBA
First Team All Defense

30ppg 7reb 6ast...All Round while still being the most exciting scorer in the game. Doin shit during the season that only GOAT Jordan has done? Breaking 3pt made in a game record?

You cant go wrong with either choice. Only someone who hates the other player would laugh at either selection. Brons year was dope aswell.

Bron was first team all NBA and all defense as well.
Bron was MVP.
Bron won 66 games.
He was sitting out 4th quarters that season, so his stats could have been even better.
He had a great playoffs.

And hes simply a more impactful player.

Kobe is great, but his peak wasn't something to be put against the top players. Hes great due to his consistent great play over the years.

I can't take anyone seriously when they say they'd take Kobe over Lebron first in a draft, knowing what we know now.

[branslowski]

Bron was first team all NBA and all defense as well.
Bron was MVP.
Bron won 66 games.
He was sitting out 4th quarters that season, so his stats could have been even better.
He had a great playoffs.

And hes simply a more impactful player.

Kobe is great, but his peak wasn't something to be put against the top players. Hes great due to his consistent great play over the years.

I can't take anyone seriously when they say they'd take Kobe over Lebron first in a draft, knowing what we know now.

66wins in the East? Lol....But hey, we can agree to disagree. Cant go wrong with either. Its wat you prefer mostly I guess. Not getting into one of those long ass (i aint got no life) debates.

Also, I ****s wit the year 09' aswell because thats wen Kobe beat the Magic (who beat Lebron). Kobe 40-8-8 in game 1 was a fun game to watch.

[juju151111]

66wins in the East? Lol....But hey, we can agree to disagree. Cant go wrong with either. Its wat you prefer mostly I guess. Not getting into one of those long ass (i aint got no life) debates.

Also, I ****s wit the year 09' aswell because thats wen Kobe beat the Magic (who beat Lebron). Kobe 40-8-8 in game 1 was a fun game to watch.
You won't get into a debate cause you would obviously lose. Everything points to LJ being better. Stats,record, and playoffs performance.

[aj1987]

66wins in the East? Lol....But hey, we can agree to disagree. Cant go wrong with either. Its wat you prefer mostly I guess. Not getting into one of those long ass (i aint got no life) debates.

Also, I ****s wit the year 09' aswell because thats wen Kobe beat the Magic (who beat Lebron). Kobe 40-8-8 in game 1 was a fun game to watch.
'09 Cavs vs the East: 40-12
'09 Cavs vs the West: 26-4

Lebron AVERAGING 39-8-8 vs the Magic was pretty fun as well.

[DMAVS41]

You won't get into a debate cause you would obviously lose. Everything points to LJ being better. Stats,record, and playoffs performance.

This.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm not even a fan, and the answer is quite easily LeBron.

[shallehalle]

'09 Cavs vs the East: 40-12
'09 Cavs vs the West: 26-4

Lebron AVERAGING 39-8-8 vs the Magic was pretty fun as well.
:eek:

[DuMa]

the MVP

[arifgokcen]

I'm going with Kobe.

The only argument people bring up to say Lebron is better than Kobe is that regular season record. Which is a team record.
I was going to answer but then i saw the name...
well

[Nash]

I'm going with Kobe.

The only argument people bring up to say Lebron is better than Kobe is that regular season record. Which is a team record.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Please don't use the 5 rings argument again then when comparing Kobe to other players. Because after all, it is just a team record.

[Doranku]

Lebron was better because he played better in the playoffs.

35/9/7 62% TS vs 32/5/5 53% TS

Can't wait to hear how Kobe's is better.

Meh. I take those numbers from LeBron with a grain of salt. Does anybody really care that LeBron was able to put up 38/8/7, 29/13/6, 25/11/9, and 36/13/8 against a team that was under .500?

Even his numbers against the Hawks... I mean, I guess those numbers are pretty impressive because the Hawks were able to beat peak Wade (:oldlol: ) that year, but in reality.... it's the Hawks. The Cavs won the first two games by a combined 47 points. And we all know that playing @ the Hawks is like playing in a neutral arena... so again, is it really that impressive?

And his series against Orlando is unbelievably overrated. He had the amazing first game (a game that they lost) where he put up 49 points on 20-30 shooting which really skews the overall numbers. He was superb again in Game 2 when he hit the buzzer beater to win the game.

But after that? He just chucked a lot of shots on poor efficiency, got to the line an ABSURD amount of times (in fact, he shot 9+ FTs in all 14 games he played in during the '09 playofffs :wtf: ), and was atrocious late in games. Countless costly turnovers, disappeared in your beloved elimination game, and just didn't have the impact that his numbers would suggest.

[Nevaeh]

You won't get into a debate cause you would obviously lose. Everything points to LJ being better. Stats,record, and playoffs performance.

Period point blank. Peeps still insist on fogetting that Kobe was a sidekick during this era. For what reason, who cares? New name for the quoted, after his defending of ripthekik's attempt to f@ck up the Boards; he's now known as Brainlesskowski!!!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/cheers.gif

[Bigsmoke]

66wins in the East? Lol....But hey, we can agree to disagree. Cant go wrong with either. Its wat you prefer mostly I guess. Not getting into one of those long ass (i aint got no life) debates.

Also, I ****s wit the year 09' aswell because thats wen Kobe beat the Magic (who beat Lebron). Kobe 40-8-8 in game 1 was a fun game to watch.

40/8/8 is what lebron averaged in that Magic series

[Hoopz2332]

'09 Cavs vs the East: 40-12
'09 Cavs vs the West: 26-4

Lebron AVERAGING 39-8-8 vs the Magic was pretty fun as well.

Kobe stans right now:oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3582730/faint-o.gif

[havoc33]

The guy who was wining 66 games with a core of Mo Williams, Delonte West, Big Z, and Varejao
Did you check the competition in the East? Thought so. The East has been by far the weakest conference during Lebron's entire career. In 2008-09 you had basically three good teams in the East; the Cavs, Magic and Celtics. The rest was garbage. Look at the rest of East teams that qualified for the Playoffs that year: Hawks (47-35), Heat (43-39), 76ers (41-41), Bulls (41-41) and the Pistons (39-43). Meanwhile in the West, the Jazz grabbed the 8th seed with a 48-34 record. Big ****ing difference.

As for the 2003 season, the East had only one 50 win team, while the West had six teams registering 50 or more wins.

Kobe has been battling against superior competition his entire career, while Lebron has been facing average and poor teams far more often than Kobe has. This shit matters.

Now as for who I'd take between the two of them from these specific years, it's a really tough choice. Lebron had a epic year and his numbers are better overall, but I'd actually take Kobe, as his ability and ceiling was higher. Better scorer, better defender, although Lebron was a better rebounder and playmaker. Two epic seasons, it's tough to choose.

[Hoopz2332]

Did you check the competition in the East? Thought so. The East has been by far the weakest conference during Lebron's entire career. In 2008-09 you had basically three good teams in the East; the Cavs, Magic and Celtics. The rest was garbage. Look at the rest of East teams that qualified for the Playoffs that year: Hawks (47-35), Heat (43-39), 76ers (41-41), Bulls (41-41) and the Pistons (39-43). Meanwhile in the West, the Jazz grabbed the 8th seed with a 48-34 record. Big ****ing difference.




Lebron has a better win % vs the West than Kobe did vs the East that year:biggums: Lebron himself had a better win % vs the West than he did vs the East:eek:

[havoc33]

Lebron has a better win % vs the West than Kobe did vs the East that year:biggums: Lebron himself had a better win % vs the West than he did vs the East:eek:
Yes, I'm actually aware that the Cavs performed well against the West that year. IMO it still matters if you play the majority of your games against quality competition, or if you're actually playing sub.500 teams the whole team. No question which team is the most fresh throughout the season.

[Hoopz2332]

Yes, I'm actually aware that the Cavs performed well against the West that year. IMO it still matters if you play the majority of your games against quality competition, or if you're actually playing sub.500 teams the whole team. No question which team is the most fresh throughout the season.


Eastern teams even when they have a poor overall record they play a more grindingout/beat um up style than Western teams who play a more wide open/free flowing style where their is less physicality. This is why KObe finals shooting numbers were for the most part lower than his Western Conf playoff numbers.

[Trollsmasher]

Lebron and his teams generally have more success against the weak, no-defense West.

If some of his best RS teams played in that conference, 72 wins would've already been broken.

[havoc33]

Eastern teams even when they have apoor overall record play a more grindingout/beat um up style than Western teams who play a more wide open/free flowing style where their is less physicality. This is why KObe finals shooting numbers were for the most part lower than his Western Conf playoff numbers.If you would say that about the NBA in the 90s, I would agree with you. But I wouldn't say there were many quality, tough nosed teams in the East in the 2000s. Kobe happened to face the only two that really existed (04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics), in three different Finals series, no less. The Celtics of 08 are probably one of the best defensive teams I have ever seen.

[Unbiased_one]

Who was better?
09 LeBron is a different class of player to any version of kobe.

[Hoopz2332]

If you would say that about the NBA in the 90s, I would agree with you. But I wouldn't say there were many quality, tough nosed teams in the East in the 2000s. Kobe happened to face the only two that really existed (04 Pistons, 08/10 Celtics), in three different Finals series, no less. The Celtics of 08 are probably one of the best defensive teams I have ever seen.

Check Kobe's stats/record vs bad Eastern teams like the Bobcats. They always gave the Lakers the business a couple of year ago:biggums:

[SilkkTheShocker]

The one who carried a team of scrubs to 66 wins. Kobe fans are hilarious. Still can't get over the fact LeBron is a better player than their idol ever was :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yes, I'm actually aware that the Cavs performed well against the West that year. IMO it still matters if you play the majority of your games against quality competition, or if you're actually playing sub.500 teams the whole team. No question which team is the most fresh throughout the season.


No you weren't.

[tmacattack33]

Not sure if serious, 2003 was the year Kobe played terribly against the Spurs in the playoffs and LA got bounced by them.

Did you mean 2002?

[Bigsmoke]

Did you check the competition in the East? Thought so. The East has been by far the weakest conference during Lebron's entire career. In 2008-09 you had basically three good teams in the East; the Cavs, Magic and Celtics. The rest was garbage. Look at the rest of East teams that qualified for the Playoffs that year: Hawks (47-35), Heat (43-39), 76ers (41-41), Bulls (41-41) and the Pistons (39-43). Meanwhile in the West, the Jazz grabbed the 8th seed with a 48-34 record. Big ****ing difference.

As for the 2003 season, the East had only one 50 win team, while the West had six teams registering 50 or more wins.

Kobe has been battling against superior competition his entire career, while Lebron has been facing average and poor teams far more often than Kobe has. This shit matters.

Now as for who I'd take between the two of them from these specific years, it's a really tough choice. Lebron had a epic year and his numbers are better overall, but I'd actually take Kobe, as his ability and ceiling was higher. Better scorer, better defender, although Lebron was a better rebounder and playmaker. Two epic seasons, it's tough to choose.

Lebron still dominated the West

[Bigsmoke]

No you weren't.

Lmao

[aj1987]

the Hawks were able to beat peak Wade (:oldlol: ) that year
I don't know what you're laughing at. I remember peak Kobe not even making the playoffs and losing twice in the 1st round.


And his series against Orlando is unbelievably overrated. He had the amazing first game (a game that they lost) where he put up 49 points on 20-30 shooting which really skews the overall numbers. He was superb again in Game 2 when he hit the buzzer beater to win the game.

But after that? He just chucked a lot of shots on poor efficiency, got to the line an ABSURD amount of times (in fact, he shot 9+ FTs in all 14 games he played in during the '09 playofffs :wtf: ), and was atrocious late in games. Countless costly turnovers, disappeared in your beloved elimination game, and just didn't have the impact that his numbers would suggest.
Lebron had a TS of 55% after the first 2 games.
Game 3 - 41/7/9. Lebron scored almost half of the Cavs' points.
Game 4 - 44/12/7. Hit a clutch 3 with ~3 seconds left in the game. Still lost by 2.
Game 5 - 37/14/12. Cavs won.
Game 6 - 25/7/7. A poor game by Lebron standards.

The Cavs lost because the Magic were hitting their 3's. It also didn't help that the second best player on the Cavs shot less than 40%.

[NumberSix]

No you weren't.
Truth.

[secund2nun]

Lebron by miles. To compare Lebron to such a inferior player like Kobe is a disgrace. Pre-prime 09 Lebron lead a cast of trash to 66 wins and the ECF and had already led trash to the finals 2 years before, while PRIME Kobe could not even win a single playoff series in the 3 seasons he had without a HOF big man, going first round KO as a 7th seed twice and missing the playoffs the other time....and you want to compare pre-prime Kobe to pre-prime Lebron despite pre-prime Lebron being way better than even PRIME Kobe???

[NumberSix]

Lebron by miles. To compare Lebron to such a inferior player like Kobe is a disgrace. Pre-prime 09 Lebron lead a cast of trash to 66 wins and the ECF and had already led trash to the finals 2 years ago, while PRIME Kobe could not even win a single playoff series in the 3 seasons he had without a HOF big man, going first round KO as a 7th seed twice and missing the playoffs the other time....and you want to compare pre-prime Kobe to pre-prime Lebron despite pre-prime Lebron being way better than even PRIME Kobe???
Would Kobe have made a single playoffs on the Cavs?

[juju151111]

Lebron by miles. To compare Lebron to such a inferior player like Kobe is a disgrace. Pre-prime 09 Lebron lead a cast of trash to 66 wins and the ECF and had already led trash to the finals 2 years ago, while PRIME Kobe could not even win a single playoff series in the 3 seasons he had without a HOF big man, going first round KO as a 7th seed twice and missing the playoffs the other time....and you want to compare pre-prime Kobe to pre-prime Lebron despite pre-prime Lebron being way better than even PRIME Kobe???
09 could be considered his peak. Idk what you mean pre prime.

[Doranku]

Would Kobe have made a single playoffs on the Cavs?

Would LeBron have won a single playoff series if he played in the West?

After all, he was 1-5 against 50+ win teams in the playoffs as a Cavalier, and unfortunately there were no 40 win teams for Bronzy to beat up on in the playoffs out West.

Maybe he would have eventually joined up with Timmy D and the Spurs to finally win a series? :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'd take 2013 LeBron over 03' Kobe (and probably every version of Kobe) because of his new-refined skillset, to go along with impact. 2009 is a tossup though.

[juju151111]

I'd take 2013 LeBron over 03' Kobe (and probably every version of Kobe) because of his new-refined skillset, to go along with impact. 2009 is a tossup though.
09 LeBron would do the same has 2013. Way more athletic. He was jumping from the ft line in game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

09 LeBron would do the same has 2013. Way more athletic. He was jumping from the ft line in game.

2009 LeBron was a beast, no doubt. His game today is more polished though. Dude's mid-to-long range game is wayyyy more consistent, as is his defense.

[G-Funk]

Kobes defense wins it for me.

[Doranku]

Kobes defense wins it for me.

True. LeBron got lit up by Rafer Alston. :oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

Would Kobe have made a single playoffs on the Cavs?

I dont see why not.

Not 66 games but they would be a threat still

[dyna]

Like many people that say Lebron, you still didn't give a reason why and nobody has either. We brought up why Kobe was better.

Most people will bring up his regular season wins that year which is a team accomplishment.

Lebron did nothing remarkable that year.


And championships not??

Kobe es better because 5>>>2 Right?? :rolleyes:

[secund2nun]

09 could be considered his peak. Idk what you mean pre prime.

12 and 13 Lebron are much better players.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2009 LeBron was a beast, no doubt. His game today is more polished though. Dude's mid-to-long range game is wayyyy more consistent, as is his defense.
Agreed. But really you think it's a toss up between 2009 LeBron and 2003 Kobe? Even without as much defensive consistency, added post game, refined jumper, and more polish on his game. I thought 2009 and 2010 LeBron was a better player than Kobe ever was.

[secund2nun]

Would Kobe have made a single playoffs on the Cavs?

I'd say a low seed, probable 1st round loss...the typical prime Kobe results when he doesn't have a future HOFer on his squad.

[juju151111]

12 and 13 Lebron are much better players.
At what exactly? He has a post game and picks his spots to cherry pick points. That's all he better at. He was wayy more athletic and explosive in 09. He didn't need a post game then. His first step was way better.

[Greg Oden 50]

Lebron easily.
kobe..........

and lebron played in weak east,and it is not even close

[Greg Oden 50]

The guy who was wining 66 games with a core of Mo Williams, Delonte West, Big Z, and Varejao
weak east

[Mr. Jabbar]

lol '03 kobe would dunk all over lebron 24/7 not even funny

one plays carefully watching his stats, the other one just wants to beat the hell out of you

[Greg Oden 50]

Lebron was better because he played better in the playoffs.

35/9/7 62% TS vs 32/5/5 53% TS

Can't wait to hear how Kobe's is better.
weak east

[Fresh Kid]

I take kobe bryant for 500 hundred Bob:applause: :cheers:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0310/nba_g_james_sy_576.jpg

[Greg Oden 50]

Lebron by miles. To compare Lebron to such a inferior player like Kobe is a disgrace. Pre-prime 09 Lebron lead a cast of trash to 66 wins and the ECF and had already led trash to the finals 2 years before, while PRIME Kobe could not even win a single playoff series in the 3 seasons he had without a HOF big man, going first round KO as a 7th seed twice and missing the playoffs the other time....and you want to compare pre-prime Kobe to pre-prime Lebron despite pre-prime Lebron being way better than even PRIME Kobe???
if kobe plays in leastern conference,he will be in finals every year

[KingBeasley08]

LeBron was unreal that year

[Greg Oden 50]

I'd say a low seed, probable 1st round loss...the typical prime Kobe results when he doesn't have a future HOFer on his squad.

kobe will be in finals every year :banana:

[Fresh Kid]

LeBron was unreal that year
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.411337!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-lebron-jpg.jpg

[Greg Oden 50]

LeBron was unreal that year
weak East against tough West

Kobe win :applause:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron. Not close.

[moe94]

09 Wade > 03 Kobe and I fully, without irony, believe that.

[scm5]

Lebron was ridiculous that year in both the regular season and the playoffs.

I would say Lebron had a better season.

However, for those of you arguing that Lebron performs well against the West and Kobe performs poorly against the East... you're pretty ill informed.

Lebron's Finals stats:
(4 NBA Finals

[chazzy]

08 Kobe is a better comparison

[moe94]

08 Kobe is a better comparison

Individually? Absolutely not.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are in all sincerity better than any of Kobe's best seasons. Both regular season, and playoffs. It's just being honest.

Under similar context as team leader, best player for their franchise ... the only ones you can use to compare to LeBron's best seasons are Kobe's 2003, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

Kobe's impressive scoring seasons in 2003, 2006, and 2007 are not significantly better than LeBron's 2006, and 2008.

And that's no significant knock on Kobe, those are all-time great regular seasons, and in 2009 / 2012's case great playoff runs.

[chazzy]

Individually? Absolutely not.
Performed better in the playoffs. 03 Kobe was hurt though

[SamuraiSWISH]

Performed better in the playoffs. 03 Kobe was hurt though
Too much upper body weight gain in the off season. The start of his knee problems. His lower body couldn't handle that suspect 15 lb muscle gained he put on in like 2 months.

Kobe's best individual seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2008.
LeBron's best individual seasons: 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013.

Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013. That's probably about it. What other one has an honest argument for being better than any of those other seasons from LeBron?

[moe94]

Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013.

Not even remotely close. :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are in all sincerity better than any of Kobe's best seasons. Both regular season, and playoffs. It's just being honest.

Under similar context as team leader, best player for their franchise ... the only ones you can use to compare to LeBron's best seasons are Kobe's 2003, 2008, 2009, and 2010.

Kobe's impressive scoring seasons in 2003, 2006, and 2007 are not significantly better than LeBron's 2006, and 2008.

And that's no significant knock on Kobe, those are all-time great regular seasons, and in 2009 / 2012's case great playoff runs.
This pretty much sums it up. I got nothing against Kobe, Lebron is just better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not even remotely close. :facepalm
I know, Kobe's 2008 is just flat out significantly better than LeBron's 2013 run. Upon reflection and further examination. LeBron's 2013 regular season was ridiculous. His 2013 playoffs were at times kind of pathetic.

LeBron played underwhelming the entire playoff run in the East. I think his playoff numbers were actually below his regular season averages. His FG% certainly dipped big time. No more cherry picked opportunities.

LeBron played below average against atrocious competition. And then played mediocre at best ball through the first 6 1/2 games of the Finals.

Scared to shoot wide open jumpers? Fans jumping off his bandwagon during the critical moments of the series? You have got to be kidding me.

That 2008 Celtics team and defense is way better than the 2013 Spurs. Not even close. Kobe was swarmed by prime James Posey, Tony Allen, Paul Pierce and shaded with prime Garnett. All while his sidekick cowered in fear from KG.

Meanwhile Wade literally won Miami a game on the road in San Antonio with his take over abilities.

How dumb can you be?

Kobe plastered a 2008 Spurs, which is basically a superior version of the 2013 team. With a better, younger trio of Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker. And they defended Kobe with an great on ball defender, Bruce Bowen. They actually played defense on Kobe.

They didn't sag off, dare his manhood and skills to shoot wide open jumpers. Stop.

[tpols]

Too much upper body weight gain in the off season. The start of his knee problems. His lower body couldn't handle that suspect 15 lb muscle gained he put on in like 2 months.

Kobe's best individual seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, and 2008.
LeBron's best individual seasons: 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013.

Kobe's 2008 is better than LeBron's 2013. That's probably about it. What other one has an honest argument for being better than any of those other seasons from LeBron?
lol.. everybody knows the ONLY reason you're saying this is because Bron shot a historically high efficiency that year and if he keeps it up shooting near 60%FG and 70TS he will be considered better than Michael Jordan.. thus your attempt to downplay it in comparison to Kobe so it is untouchable in comparison to your gawd.


Lebron;s season pre-2009/2008ish were not better than Kobe's because at that point in his career Lebron had yet to become great on the defensive side of the ball. At the very end of his Cavs tenure and going into Miami especially his defense became elite, before that it wasnt at all.

Kobe 2003, 2001, 2008 are all better than Bron 06, 08 and anything else before 09 because he was a legitamate two way player, clutch as hell in the playoffs, and put up dominant numbers in a more physical and tougher defensive era.




09 Bron is easily better than 03 Kobe.. that was probably Lebron's best year ever aside from what hes doing right now and 03 Kobe wasnt even the best version of Kobe.

[SamuraiSWISH]

thus your attempt to downplay it in comparison to Kobe so it is untouchable in comparison to your gawd.
Your gawd is Kobe. You have a rooting interest in this comparison. I'm being pretty un-biased.

I will give you that 2003 era defenses were more physical, and that does give insight into some better perspective of scoring numbers.

With that said 2006, and 2007 were insanely soft, giving way to ridiculous amounts of free throw calls.

In 2008, refs calmed down on the over protective calls on the perimeter. LeBron won scoring title that season with 30 ppg. Kobe hasn't averaged 30 ppg or above since 2008.


03 Kobe wasnt even the best version of Kobe.
What is ... because I'm often torn. 2001 Kobe for playing great, consistent defense, and not as selfish. 2003? 2006? 2008?

[moe94]

I know, Kobe's 2008 is just flat out significantly better than LeBron's 2013 run.

Kobe: 28/6/4 on 46%....playoffs: 30/5/4 on 46% shooting

LeBron: 27/8/7 on 56%....playoffs: 26/8/6.6 on 49% shooting

Kobe is clearly better! :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe: 28/6/4 on 46%....playoffs: 30/5/4 on 46% shooting

LeBron: 27/8/7 on 56%....playoffs: 26/8/6.6 on 49% shooting

Kobe is clearly better! :oldlol:
Competition faced. Context. Learn them.

[scm5]

This pretty much sums it up. I got nothing against Kobe, Lebron is just better.

I don't know if this will make sense to you, but to me, it's easier to make the game hard for Kobe but harder to shut him down. For Lebron, it's harder to make the game hard for him but easier to shut him down.

Good teams with good defensive coaches have consistently been able to shut down (contain) Lebron as long as their players stick to the game plan and are able to execute it.

There's only so much you can do against Kobe however. You can force him into taking tough shots, but he's still taking them and coming hard at your team.

Lebron was ridiculous that year in both the regular season and the playoffs.

I would say Lebron had a better season.

However, for those of you arguing that Lebron performs well against the West and Kobe performs poorly against the East... you're pretty ill informed.

Lebron's Finals stats:
(4 NBA Finals

[moe94]

Competition faced. Context. Learn them.

Most retarded excuse I've ever heard in my life. Shaq's run means nothing. Hakeem's run means nothing. Jordan's championships mean nothing. Wilt is a joke. :sleeping

[SamuraiSWISH]

Most retarded excuse I've ever heard in my life. Shaq's run means nothing. Hakeem's run means nothing. Jordan's championships mean nothing. Wilt is a joke. :sleeping
I didn't say that it's a joke of a championship or run. I think 2008 Kobe's run is better. That's all. LeBron's 2013 playoffs was totally underwhelming considering the hype he built up during the regular season.

How can you not admit that? Are you that stubborn, or just delusional?

Your retarded denial of the fact that I acknowledged entirely LeBron > Kobe. I said the vast majority of LeBron's best seasons are better than Kobe's best seasons.

So, per me: LeBron > Kobe.

Which makes LeBron's short comings in the 2013 playoffs, and Finals all the more glaring when compared to his: 2012 playoffs, 2012 Finals, and 2013 regular season.

Nope, not from moe94. Deny, deny, deny. 2008 Celtics > 2013 Spurs. LeBron's Heat faced 3x sub 50 win teams in the conference playoffs for christ sakes.

[tpols]

Your gawd is Kobe. You have a rooting interest in this comparison. I'm being pretty un-biased.
I have a rooting interest.. yet I somehow completely side with bron here lol





I will give you that 2003 era defenses were more physical, and that does give insight into some better perspective of scoring numbers.

With that said 2006, and 2007 were insanely soft, giving way to ridiculous amounts of free throw calls.

In 2008, refs calmed down on the over protective calls on the perimeter. LeBron won scoring title that season with 30 ppg. Kobe hasn't averaged 30 ppg or above since 2008.


What is ... because I'm often torn. 2001 Kobe for playing great, consistent defense, and not as selfish. 2003? 2006? 2008?
And in 2008 Kobe only took 20 shots per game as compared to 27 at his peak in 2006 because his team improved in strength and it was no longer necessary for him to shoot as much.

Lebron took 2 more shots to score 2 more points and had lower overall efficiency than Kobe did that year...



2001 and 2008 Kobe are the best versions of Kobe imo.. He was one of the best offensive players in the league.. second behind peak shaq and even had advanced statistics on par with him in the playoffs. And at the same time one of the best defensive perimeter players in the league.. especially in 08 when he was the vocal defensive leader on a top 5 defensive team in the entire league.


Now that I re-read a few of your posts they dont follow each other.. Like you saoid Lebron's 08, 09, 10, 12, and 13 seasons are all tops anything Kobe ever did.

But then you say 08 Kobe>13 Bron.. like wtf.:oldlol: How can that be when Bron's 13 is arguably better than all of his other seasons besides maybe 09. Makes no sense..

[moe94]

I didn't say that it's a joke of a championship or run. I think 2008 Kobe's run is better. That's all. LeBron's 2013 playoffs was totally underwhelming considering the hype he built up during the regular season. .

But Kobe's 2008 Finals was horrific, so exactly what are you arguing? :coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

But Kobe's 2008 Finals was horrific, so exactly what are you arguing? :coleman:
Kobe faced a way better team in the Finals. Faced better teams in his conference rounds, too. In the Finals he faced an all-time great team, and defense. With help that played significantly worse than LeBron's supporting cast. Yea?

:facepalm

[moe94]

excuses excuses excuses

You're talking directly out of your ass and giving him every excuse in the book, while ignoring everything else. To say 2008 Kobe is clearly better than last year's LeBron is the most retarded statement uttered in this thread. Period.

[KG215]

kobe..........

and lebron played in weak east,and it is not even close


weak east


weak east


if kobe plays in leastern conference,he will be in finals every year


kobe will be in finals every year :banana:


weak East against tough West

Kobe win :applause:


Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.

[jlip]

Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.

And that was all from just one page. :facepalm

[jstern]

I'm going with Kobe.

The only argument people bring up to say Lebron is better than Kobe is that regular season record. Which is a team record.

I saw your avatar, saw that it was 9ereempiree, read your first sentence and then just laughed. Who else

Who had a better season? 2nd year Kobe or Lebron?


Kobe had a great year. Kobe.

I'm listening to a Chrono Trigger video as I read this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Sp62q2FAY

[moe94]

Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.
He got you riled up, though.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Now that I re-read a few of your posts they dont follow each other.. Like you saoid Lebron's 08, 09, 10, 12, and 13 seasons are all tops anything Kobe ever did.
I meant in totality. A sum of their works. I'd say Kobe's best seasons are 2001, 2003, 2008. I definitely think LeBron's pre-prime 2006, and 2008 can compete with Kobe's 2003, 2006, and 2007 while IN his prime. LeBron's best seasons combined are better than Kobe's best seasons combined.


But then you say 08 Kobe>13 Bron.. like wtf.:oldlol: How can that be when Bron's 13 is arguably better than all of his other seasons besides maybe 09. Makes no sense..
I said Kobe's 2008 playoff run is better. LeBron's 2013 regular season was better than 2008 Kobe's regular season. But when it came to the playoffs, and Finals ... he was very underwhelming. Where as Kobe really impressed me in his 2008 run. It was clearly better than his 2x previous seasons as leader, where he too was underwhelming in comparison to his regular seasons.

LeBron's seasons, much like Kobe didn't always put together the entire package. LeBron's 2009 is probably his best season in totality. Like regular season and post season performance. 2012 regular season wasn't his best, but it's the only post season comparable with his 2009 in terms of quality. His 2013 is his best regular season alongside 2009, and 2010. But like 2010, his playoffs were disappointing.

Am I beginning to clear things up for you now? It sounds confusing, but it really isn't. Kobe had impressive 2006, and 2007 seasons. But weak playoff runs. Kobe's 2009, and 2010 regular season were great regular seasons, but definitely weren't as good as LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 regular seasons.

[riseagainst]

To be fair, LeBron 09 season was pretty impressive but Kobe 03 is still far better and its not even close.. Most of LeBron stats came from statspadding against weak team = not legit/not impressive while Kobe came from hardwork = impressive/legendary/legit and its against competitive team..


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol

[Greg Oden 50]

Who the f**k is this dumbass? He takes terrible, unimaginative trolling to a whole new level. He posted essentially the exact same thing six times in about 10 minutes.

I said the TRUTH,EAST IS JUST TOO WEAK :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Any of LeBron's MVP seasons > any of Kobe's seasons.

[Greg Oden 50]

Any of LeBron's MVP seasons > any of Kobe's seasons.

weak east :roll:

[TyroneNBAFan]

The 10 best seasons between the 2...

1.) 2012 Lebron
2.) 2009 Lebron
3.) 2013 Lebron
4.) 2010 Lebron
5.) 2006 Kobe
6.) 2008 Lebron
7.) 2006 Lebron
8.) 2001 Kobe
9.) 2007 Kobe
10.) 2003 Kobe

[AintNoSunshine]

weak east

weak knees

[chazzy]

weak knees
Leave Wade out of this

[moe94]

Leave Wade out of this
:bowdown:

[AintNoSunshine]

Leave Wade out of this


you should check out his recent dunks

[LEFT4DEAD]

Not sure if serious thread. Lebron's 2009 season is top 5 all time for me. On par with Jordan's best seasons. Respect for Kobe, but he was never on that level.

[HurricaneKid]

Not sure if serious thread. Lebron's 2009 season is top 5 all time for me. On par with Jordan's best seasons. Respect for Kobe, but he was never on that level.

About time someone said it.

I am bookmarking this thread because its the perfect thread to shore up my ignore list. Kobe was great in 03. LeBron had one of the best seasons in my lifetime; and yes, I was around during MJs entire run.

In the 900 minutes LeBron was on the bench in the 08-09 season (about the length of a high school season) the Cavs were outscored by 137 points. Which equates to -7.3 ppg (or at least -7.3 points/48min). Extrapolated to a full season this puts them around the 3rd-5th worst team in the NBA with ~21-23 wins. When he was on the court the Cavs outscored their opponents by 869 points or +13.7 points/48 min (which, extrapolated to an entire season would be the best ever).

Think about that for just a moment. He took a bottom ~4 team in the league and won 66 games. Fewer than 10 teams in the history of the league have won more games than LeBron in 09 with his sack of misfit teammates.

[HurricaneKid]

And enough about Kobe's defense in 02-03. His defensive adjusted +/- was negative. He was a BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER. His M2M was great but his help D was laughable. LeBron's in 08-09 was 2.8. In fact, Kobe was 13th in the NBA in 02-03 in RAPM, at 4.6. TD led the league with 10.3 (which is a tremendous figure).

This is why we laugh at you Kobestans. Kobe has been a great player for an enormous period of time. But compared to the people you want to prop him up against he isn't even in the game.

[havoc33]

And enough about Kobe's defense in 02-03. His defensive adjusted +/- was negative. He was a BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER. His M2M was great but his help D was laughable. LeBron's in 08-09 was 2.8. In fact, Kobe was 13th in the NBA in 02-03 in RAPM, at 4.6. TD led the league with 10.3 (which is a tremendous figure).

This is why we laugh at you Kobestans. Kobe has been a great player for an enormous period of time. But compared to the people you want to prop him up against he isn't even in the game.
And I'm inclined to laugh at people like you, who pull an advanced stat here, another stat there, all to support your agenda and present it as a fact. But of course what you have is another opinion, no more, no less.

[TyroneNBAFan]

About time someone said it.

I am bookmarking this thread because its the perfect thread to shore up my ignore list. Kobe was great in 03. LeBron had one of the best seasons in my lifetime; and yes, I was around during MJs entire run.

In the 900 minutes LeBron was on the bench in the 08-09 season (about the length of a high school season) the Cavs were outscored by 137 points. Which equates to -7.3 ppg (or at least -7.3 points/48min). Extrapolated to a full season this puts them around the 3rd-5th worst team in the NBA with ~21-23 wins. When he was on the court the Cavs outscored their opponents by 869 points or +13.7 points/48 min (which, extrapolated to an entire season would be the best ever).

Think about that for just a moment. He took a bottom ~4 team in the league and won 66 games. Fewer than 10 teams in the history of the league have won more games than LeBron in 09 with his sack of misfit teammates.

:applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

The amazing thing about LeBron's 2x MVP seasons in Cleveland in 2009, and 2010? Those Cavs teams were built perfectly for winning regular season games. So a lot of times they were blowing teams out. LeBron put up those asinine numbers, and usually was sitting either the entire 4th quarter, or at least a half of it if memory serves me correctly.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron has been better than Kobe ever was since '09 with the exception of '11 where I'd take prime Kobe over him.

[Stringer Bell]

Not sure if serious, 2003 was the year Kobe played terribly against the Spurs in the playoffs and LA got bounced by them.

Did you mean 2002?

Kobe didn't play horribly in that series, IMO. He had some big scoring games, didn't shoot terribly (not that good either lol), and was the main reason they made a huge comeback and almost won in game 5, when Horry's shot rimmed out.

Still, Lebron takes this.

[red1]

this is clearly lebron

[tmacattack33]

Wtf.

[moe94]

I miss that Oden dude.

[PrinceJames]

Lebron is the better player, Kobe would of won more games

[Uchmanmamba24]

Kobe has always been greater and will always be greater than LeChoke

[D.J.]

Stats against the other 7 playoff teams:


LeBron
Boston- 28/6/6
Orlando- 31/10/7
Atlanta- 26/8/7
Miami- 32/8/7
Philly- 28/7/4
Chicago- 32/12/7
Detroit- 26/7/7


Kobe
San Antonio- 32/8/4
Sacramento- 33/10/5
Dallas- 19/8/5
Minnesota- 24/7/6
Portland- 34/9/6
Utah- 31/6/5
Phoenix- 34/8/6


32/8/4 against the Spurs with Bowen and prime Duncan, and also 33/10/5 against the Kings with Bibby/Christie/Peja/Webber/Vlade.

LeBron was obviously more efficient, but it's hard to go against 9 consecutive 40+ point games and 2 separate months of 40+ PPG. And don't forget that Kobe's competition was much better. San Antonio and Dallas both won 60 games, Sacramento just missed 60 wins, Minnesota and Portland had 51 and 50 respectively, and even the 8th seeded Suns won 44 games.