Players Who Get/Take Credit For Other Players' Accomplishments?

[NumberSix]

Who are the worst offenders of this?

Every franchise player is guilty of this to a certain degree. They always get a little too much credit when their teams win, but who is the worst offender? Who has received the most undue credit for what other players have done.

[Doranku]

LeBron

[scm5]

Who are the worst offenders of this?

Every franchise player is guilty of this to a certain degree. They always get a little too much credit when their teams win, but who is the worst offender? Who has received the most undue credit for what other players have done.

I am a Laker fan and I would have to say Magic.

Seriously, dude had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, Cooper, McAdoo... AND he was a PG.

I love Magic and think that he's still the greatest PG to have ever played, but with a team like this, it's no wonder he had such great numbers and won so many championships.

It's also almost taboo to criticize Magic for some reason.

[get these NETS]

if spurs don't draft duncan....drob retires ringless

[KyleKong]

if spurs don't draft duncan....drob retires ringless

I don't think anyone on ISH gives Robinson credit for those rings. :confusedshrug:

Someone that instantly comes to mind is:

http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/images/270x224/celebrities/mo_williams270x224.jpg

[jlip]

Basically any superstar. That's the nature of the beast.

[get these NETS]

this is along the lines of my post aout drob


but without Moses Malone , Dr. J retires without an NBA ring

he doesn't get Moses' credit but in basketball 9 times out of ten.....finals mvp goes to the right guy so I can't see any other answers other than "player x would never have gotten a ring without player y"



in football....peyton manning got the superbowl mvp when it should have gone to one of the colt running backs....but in hoops..they get it right most times

[kNicKz]

Kobe and Shaq. It seems that no one is willing to admit that they were both incredible players. It's either

A. Kobe carried them

or

B. Shaq carried them


They both were incredible players and neither wins those 3 titles without the other

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Pretty much any player who the media heaps praise on for "making his teammates better".

Guys like Steve Nash, LeBron and Chris Paul.

[TonyMontana]

Kobe Bryant, unable to win a single first round playoff series in his entire career without the aid of hall of fame teammates, coaching, and executives. Was given the 2010 Finals MVP on name alone despite shooting 6/24 in Game 7 and shooting 40% for the series while Gasol dominated top 15 player Kevin Garnett to win the paint for the Lakers.

Bill Russell. Shoots like 11 PPG and 43% shooting(as a center) yet is given sole credit for all of the 50s and 60s Celtics titles. There were around 10 hall of fame players for the Celtics for those years yet Russell is the only one who gets any recognition whatsoever.

Edit:

Michael Jordan, won 0 playoff series without Pippen. Won because of hall of fame coaching, teammates yet is given all of the credit.

The common theme here is that anyone whose claim to fame is "championships". It's a team accomplishment, not an individual one.

[TheReal Kendall]

I don't think anyone on ISH gives Robinson credit for those rings. :confusedshrug:

Someone that instantly comes to mind is:

http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/images/270x224/celebrities/mo_williams270x224.jpg

What Mo take credit for? :confusedshrug:

Most people tend to bash him and call him a scrub.

I would say Magic and Bird cause they had HOFers around them but they put in work too.

Also MJ and Kobe.

[branslowski]

Kobe Bryant, unable to win a single first round playoff series in his entire career without the aid of hall of fame teammates, coaching, and executives. Was given the 2010 Finals MVP on name alone despite shooting 6/24 in Game 7 and shooting 40% for the series while Gasol dominated top 15 player Kevin Garnett to win the paint for the Lakers.

Bill Russell. Shoots like 11 PPG and 43% shooting(as a center) yet is given sole credit for all of the 50s and 60s Celtics titles. There were around 10 hall of fame players for the Celtics for those years yet Russell is the only one who gets any recognition whatsoever.

Edit:

Michael Jordan, won 0 playoff series without Pippen. Won because of hall of fame coaching, teammates yet is given all of the credit.

The common theme here is that anyone whose claim to fame is "championships". It's a team accomplishment, not an individual one.

But Gasol was 0-16 before Kobe, u penalizing Gasol too? Kobe 2 Finals MVPs says u talkin out ya ass. Everyone knows Gasol is good and he gets credit.

Agreed on Russel.

Jordan was obviously the best player on the Bulls. Bulls wouldn't even be contenders without him.

[TonyMontana]

But Gasol was 0-16 before Kobe, u penalizing Gasol too? Kobe 2 Finals MVPs says u talkin out ya ass. Everyone knows Gasol is good and he gets credit.

Agreed on Russel.

Jordan was obviously the best player on the Bulls. Bulls wouldn't even be contenders without him.

Gasol doesn't get talked about as a top 10 player like Kobe does. Hes a very good player just like Kobe. Neither can win a series with their presence alone. This is what seperates them from the LeBron, Dirks, and Duncans of the recent NBA.

The Bulls won 55 games when Jordan retired in 93. They were a missed call away from advancing to the ECF where they would have been heavy favorites to go to the finals. The team they should have beat(the Knicks) were a fingertip away from winning the championship in a 7 game series vs Houston. The Bulls were stacked.

[demons2005]

Couldn't be a more obvious answer: CHRIS PAUL

Actually in general this thread even has its own stat: The assist

Notice Magic and CP both got them on the backs of their less heralded teammates who actually scored the points. Which is why it's the dumbest stat. Basically it measures whether your teammates hit their shots.

[branslowski]

Gasol doesn't get talked about as a top 10 player like Kobe does. Hes a very good player just like Kobe. Neither can win a series with their presence alone. This is what seperates them from the LeBron, Dirks, and Duncans of the recent NBA.

The Bulls won 55 games when Jordan retired in 93. They were a missed call away from advancing to the ECF where they would have been heavy favorites to go to the finals. The team they should have beat(the Knicks) were a fingertip away from winning the championship in a 7 game series vs Houston. The Bulls were stacked.

Wait, you think Gasol is a top 10 All-time player? You think Gasol and Kobe were same teir players before they joined eachother?:biggums:

Truu point about the Bulls, you are completely right, dat Jordan impact.:lol

[livinglegend]

But Gasol was 0-16 before Kobe, u penalizing Gasol too? Kobe 2 Finals MVPs says u talkin out ya ass. Everyone knows Gasol is good and he gets credit.

Agreed on Russel.

Jordan was obviously the best player on the Bulls. Bulls wouldn't even be contenders without him.

:facepalm

[TheReal Kendall]

Gasol doesn't get talked about as a top 10 player like Kobe does. Hes a very good player just like Kobe. Neither can win a series with their presence alone. This is what seperates them from the LeBron, Dirks, and Duncans of the recent NBA.

The Bulls won 55 games when Jordan retired in 93. They were a missed call away from advancing to the ECF where they would have been heavy favorites to go to the finals. The team they should have beat(the Knicks) were a fingertip away from winning the championship in a 7 game series vs Houston. The Bulls were stacked.

:coleman:

Lebron is one of the top guys that take credit from others

[branslowski]

:facepalm

:yaohappy:

[HylianNightmare]

Hedo

[NumberSix]

Jordan was obviously the best player on the Bulls. Bulls wouldn't even be contenders without him.
But, they WERE contenders without him.

[secund2nun]

Kobe, Rose, and Melo. Also Damon Lilliard.

[secund2nun]

But, they WERE contenders without him.

Inconvenient truth...

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe. Took credit for Shaq, Gasol & David Stern's accomplishments.

[ripthekik]

Lebron.

Look at how his team, especially Ray Allen saved his ENTIRE career. He would be known as the huge choking loser today that loses in the biggest stages and is 1/4 in the finals if it wasn't for ray allen. He'd be a huge joke.

[juju151111]

But, they WERE contenders without him.
No they wasn't. They lost in the 2nd round.

[Trollsmasher]

Tony owning the thread:applause: I especially like the truth he tells about Jordan. Guy has a negative record without a HOF teammate.

[Inferno]

Kobe, Rose, and Melo. Also Damon Lilliard.

:biggums:

What's with throwing in Damian Lillard?

[Fudge]

Lebron.

Dat 2013 Finals MVP. Honestly should've been Rays.

[scm5]

I am a Laker fan and I would have to say Magic.

Seriously, dude had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes, Cooper, McAdoo... AND he was a PG.

I love Magic and think that he's still the greatest PG to have ever played, but with a team like this, it's no wonder he had such great numbers and won so many championships.

It's also almost taboo to criticize Magic for some reason.

... and of course I get negged for this.

I'm just saying that while others are being criticized for the amount of help they had (Lebron, Kobe, MJ), Magic is never mentioned despite having more help than anyone else not named Bill Russel.

His rookie season was the stuff made of legends. A rookie winning Finals MVP? Amazing.

It's not that I have something against Magic, it's just that it's ridiculous that haters criticize Lebron for his teammates. I'm not even a Lebron fan, I just recognize his greatness.

Magic vs Lebron:
Kareem >>>>>>>>>>> Wade
Worthy >> Bosh
Wilkes > Allen
Cooper > Chalmers/Cole
McAdoo > Haslem/Anderson

[Nero Tulip]

I think everyone knows what the answer is.

Let me help you, it rhymes with Moby Giant.

[russwest0]

Lebron.

Dat 2013 Finals MVP. Honestly should've been Rays.

Should have been Wades if anyone. The way the media acted like LeBron was 100% the reason the Heat won that series was hilarious

[Harison]

if spurs don't draft duncan....drob retires ringless
If you swap DRob and Duncan, DRob would probably have as many rings (if not more) than TD, and more MVPs, and way more DPOYs in this era.

Duncan in the Golden age would have zero rings (until DRob is drafted), zero MVPs, and zero DPOYs (at least no change there).

Thats why its not very wise to compare players without keeping in mind different situations.

[NumberSix]

If you swap DRob and Duncan, DRob would probably have as many rings (if not more) than TD, and more MVPs, and way more DPOYs in this era.

Duncan in the Golden age would have zero rings (until DRob is drafted), zero MVPs, and zero DPOYs (at least no change there).

Thats why its not very wise to compare players without keeping in mind different situations.
Some truth to this. If Duncan happened to be a spur in the 80s does anybody honestly think he would have gone to a single finals? he would never get past the lakers.

[secund2nun]

:biggums:

What's with throwing in Damian Lillard?

He is next in a long line of overrated perimeter players. His rookie season was not impressive. How he won ROY over Davis is a joke.

[get these NETS]

If you swap DRob and Duncan, DRob would probably have as many rings (if not more) than TD, and more MVPs, and way more DPOYs in this era.

Duncan in the Golden age would have zero rings (until DRob is drafted), zero MVPs, and zero DPOYs (at least no change there).

Thats why its not very wise to compare players without keeping in mind different situations.


Drob folded several times in playoff situation pre and post Duncan

in fact the years the lakers got past the spurs....drob was always missing in action....getting abused by shaq and then not coming through on offense



Duncan is cut from a different cloth than Robinson



most would agree

[Harison]

Drob folded several times in playoff situation pre and post Duncan

You mean like Duncan losing as 1st seed to 8th seed? DRob never folded as bad. Duncan simply had a better team and weaker competition than Robinson.

Both had upsets, but the only series which really harmed DRob's legacy was against Dream in '94, and you know what? Duncan probably would have done worse in those series.



in fact the years the lakers got past the spurs....drob was always missing in action....getting abused by shaq and then not coming through on offense

You just proved you was too young to watch it, and dont even know history to talk about it.

The only time pre-injury Robinson faced Lakers was in '95, and Spurs won 4-2, with DRob posting 30.0/15.7/3.5/3.7.

Also pre-injury Robinson never faced Shaq in the Playoffs, and pre-injury H2H in Regular season were:

Shaq: 25,3 PPG, 13,2 TRB, 1,7 AST, 0,6 STL, 1,7 BLK, 51% FG, 60% FT.

Robinson: 29,4 PPG, 12 TRB, 4,6 AST, 3 STL, 2,7 BLK, 49% FG, 77% FT.

Robinson outplayed Shaq with much more impressive stacked statline, and Robinson was much better in defense too.