Is Kobe the Asian Michael Jordan?

[0000000]

Let me explain. in the USA, Jordan is the biggest icon. When he was playing, all things came together, from fan following, marketing and whatnot and Michael Jordan became synonymous with basketball. He became a basketball icon. And no one will ever take it from him.
In Asia however, when basketball kinda hit it's peak, it was Kobe who was the biggest star and the way he is worshiped there is amazing.
LeBron isn't anywhere close to him and Jordan probably isn't as well. Kobe is a basketball icon in Asia.

And oh well, considering China will rule the world soon, Kobe = GOAT. Would be funny if they ruled in some kind of dictatorship and all had to praise Kobe lol.
Jokes aside though, is Kobe the GOAT and the icon in Asia?

Or is GOAT simply GOAT regardless of marketing and all that stuff?

[inclinerator]

well considering he's half chinese i would say so

[Rekindled]

more like italian michael jordan.

[0000000]

Kobe's the GOAT in Asia. Asians are smarter than others. Just saying...

[kNicKz]

Asians are smarter than others.

Myth

[AintNoSunshine]

Well in China TMac is the most worshipped, in Japan they don't give a shiit about basketball. So Kobe is more like MJ in South East Asia, actually only in Philippine, Philippino Michael Jordan maybe?

[ispin69]

Asians too smart to catch a rape case. :kobe:

[Poetry]

And oh well, considering China will rule the world soon, Kobe = GOAT.

Everyone knows that China produces cheap, inferior copies of superior American products...:rolleyes:

[305Baller]

Everyone knows that China produces cheap, inferior copies of superior American products...:rolleyes:

JORDAN ftw

[TheBigVeto]

No.

First off, Asia is a big region and at this moment we only know 2 Asian countries infested with Kobetards. That would be China and Philippines.

But in China, the Chinese Michael Jordan is Marbury and Filipino Michael Jordan is Renaldo Blackman.

[Eric Cartman]

But in China, the Chinese Michael Jordan is Marbury and Filipino Michael Jordan is Renaldo Blackman.

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Myth
No, it's true, but there far too physically inferior for it to matter.

:lebronamazed:

[JtotheIzzo]

No, it's true, but there far too physically inferior for it to matter.

:lebronamazed:

Its a myth. Northeast Asians (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, HK, and also Singapore, which is Southeast Asia but comprised mostly of Chinese) have a very strong family structure, a very patriarchal society and strong Confucian values which all lend themselves to discipline, homework, study and excelling in school. Asians are awesome at doing homework and taking tests.

Asian (and for the rest of this post I am referring to Northeast Asians) school curriculums have major exams starting from grade one and two, and kids are placed in specific middle schools and high schools based on their test scores. By the time your typical Asian student gets overseas (and the bad students have all been weeded out by this point), they have so many reps in test taking and studying that they kick a lot of ass. In many Asian countries the top high schools are WAY MORE demanding than the top universities.

For Asians who start in North America they generally have a great family structure and rigid discipline, and for those who aren't wealthy there is a incredible desire to excel. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule but it can't be denied, an intact family, rigid discipline, a strong father figure all lend themselves to good performance at school.

[Random_Guy]

Its a myth. Northeast Asians (Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, HK, and also Singapore, which is Southeast Asia but comprised mostly of Chinese) have a very strong family structure, a very patriarchal society and strong Confucian values which all lend themselves to discipline, homework, study and excelling in school. Asians are awesome at doing homework and taking tests.

Asian (and for the rest of this post I am referring to Northeast Asians) school curriculums have major exams starting from grade one and two, and kids are placed in specific middle schools and high schools based on their test scores. By the time your typical Asian student gets overseas (and the bad students have all been weeded out by this point), they have so many reps in test taking and studying that they kick a lot of ass. In many Asian countries the top high schools are WAY MORE demanding than the top universities.

For Asians who start in North America they generally have a great family structure and rigid discipline, and for those who aren't wealthy there is a incredible desire to excel. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule but it can't be denied, an intact family, rigid discipline, a strong father figure all lend themselves to good performance at school.
Man that's rather stereotype seeing as I'm from Taiwan :coleman:
The family structure you're talking about is way in the past lol, something that might have happened maybe30 years ago. But you are more or less right about the academic here, since Im the nerd you're talking about:oldlol: :oldlol: Asians are seems as smarter simply because our tests force us to study for long hours, it's just the way things are here. About being physically weaker, apart from genetics, any parents would rather us be studying then hitting the gym.

[Mr. Jabbar]

well since kobe is the GOAT around the whole world, it makes sense he is the GOAT in Asia too, lebron aint even the goat in florida, wade and ray allen come first

[NumberSix]

Let's all just agree that the European man is god's chosen superior being and move on.

[steelpulse]

Fans here in the Philippines still consider MJ the G.O.A.T. So, no.

[JtotheIzzo]

Man that's rather stereotype seeing as I'm from Taiwan :coleman:
The family structure you're talking about is way in the past lol, something that might have happened maybe30 years ago. But you are more or less right about the academic here, since Im the nerd you're talking about:oldlol: :oldlol: Asians are seems as smarter simply because our tests force us to study for long hours, it's just the way things are here. About being physically weaker, apart from genetics, any parents would rather us be studying then hitting the gym.

I never said anyone was a nerd and I never talked about physical characteristics (that is stupid and something that is already changing).

But the respect for father and teacher are still very strong (although you say it is a thing of the past, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle).

I don't like the term 'smarter' though, because if that were the case we'd see more Asian CEOs and more Asian entrepreneur, visionaries, pioneers etc.

being good at school is one aspect of being smart, creativity (something often stifled in Asian schools), leadership, decision making and instinct are also key parts of being 'smart' and those are areas that Asians lag behind in, again stereotyping, but if you judge it strictly by academic performance, shouldn't there be more prominent Asians? Being from Taiwan you probably know more than a few people with advanced degrees from big schools who sit at home all day.

Studying is ONE aspect of success, and intelligence.

[Nero Tulip]

I never said anyone was a nerd and I never talked about physical characteristics (that is stupid and something that is already changing).

But the respect for father and teacher are still very strong (although you say it is a thing of the past, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle).

I don't like the term 'smarter' though, because if that were the case we'd see more Asian CEOs and more Asian entrepreneur, visionaries, pioneers etc.

being good at school is one aspect of being smart, creativity (something often stifled in Asian schools), leadership, decision making and instinct are also key parts of being 'smart' and those are areas that Asians lag behind in, again stereotyping, but if you judge it strictly by academic performance, shouldn't there be more prominent Asians? Being from Taiwan you probably know more than a few people with advanced degrees from big schools who sit at home all day.

Studying is ONE aspect of success, and intelligence.


That's just because you're American, and your experience of Asians is limited to the ones living in America.

Maybe the very thing you're talking about, Asians being perceived as poor leaders, etc, is because of a cultural barrier that makes them not become CEOs in America.

I totally agree that asians being smarter is bullshit by the way. But the part about them lagging behind in leadership, decision making and "instinct" is even bigger bullshit. They're just not the dominant group in your country.

[scm5]

No.

First off, Asia is a big region and at this moment we only know 2 Asian countries infested with Kobetards. That would be China and Philippines.

But in China, the Chinese Michael Jordan is Marbury and Filipino Michael Jordan is Renaldo Blackman.

ha!

[JtotheIzzo]

That's just because you're American, and your experience of Asians is limited to the ones living in America.

Maybe the very thing you're talking about, Asians being perceived as poor leaders, etc, is because of a cultural barrier that makes them not become CEOs in America.

I totally agree that asians being smarter is bullshit by the way. But the part about them lagging behind in leadership, decision making and "instinct" is even bigger bullshit. They're just not the dominant group in your country.

I actually do a lot of business and spend a lot of time in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan and the most frustrating thing is people not taking ownership or responsibility for anything at work. Very few want to lead, those who do go very far, a lot of people do just enough not to get fired or hang around the office till late at night looking busy but getting nothing done, simply trying to make a good impression. People are afraid to contradict the boss or make anyone lose face. It stifles growth. I realize the younger generation may be slightly different, but there is still another generation to go before things really change.

[BoutPractice]

That's true, but if anything it furthers the point that culture and social structures can either encourage or stifle people's natural tendency for creativity, leadership etc.

The USA is a culture that places a huge premium on creativity and leadership. In fact there are many successful entrepreneurs of Asian origin in the USA, certainly more than the stereotypes would suggest... I just checked, and Asians lead 12% of the fastest growing companies in the US. In the Silicon Valley, generally considered to be the center of the world as far as innovation is concerned, they make up 11% of senior executive teams... By the way, they represent more than 50% of all the high-tech workers there, so there's undeniably a degree of basic discrimination at work. And what about the creative arts? Ang Lee certainly disagreed with the idea that Asians didn't have what it takes to make it in the US creative scene. One of the greatest modern architects is a Chinese American. The list goes on.

[Nero Tulip]

I actually do a lot of business and spend a lot of time in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan and the most frustrating thing is people not taking ownership or responsibility for anything at work. Very few want to lead, those who do go very far, a lot of people do just enough not to get fired or hang around the office till late at night looking busy but getting nothing done, simply trying to make a good impression. People are afraid to contradict the boss or make anyone lose face. It stifles growth. I realize the younger generation may be slightly different, but there is still another generation to go before things really change.

There's definitely some truth to that. Those societies tend to be very conservative and hierarchical. But still I'm pretty sure the biggest reason we don't see a lot of prominent asians in the West, is because there aren't actually that many asians to begin with. Anyway I don't know what the hell I'm doing in this thread.

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This went from talking about how famous kobe is in china to Asian society:oldlol: