Most Overrated Athletes of The Generation

[NumberSix]

Each sport has one. The definitive clear cut most overrated, media pushed players.

NFL = Tom Brady
NBA = Kobe Bryant
MLB = Derek Jeter

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I was sure you were gonna say Derrick Rose for NBA.

NFL = Eli Manning
NBA = Kobe is probably correct among main stream fans.
MLB = Don't watch enough to say.

[CanYouDigIt]

NFL: RGIII

NBA: Kobrick Bryant

[NumberSix]

I was sure you were gonna say Derrick Rose for NBA.

NFL = Eli Manning
NBA = Kobe is probably correct among main stream fans.
MLB = Don't watch enough to say.
Nah, it can't be Eli. He's not even very highly rated. People still say he was never an elite quarterback.

Tom Brady is without question the single most overrated player of this NFL era.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nah, it can't be Eli. He's not even very highly rated. People still say he was never an elite quarterback.

Tom Brady is without question the single most overrated player of this NFL era.
People do overrate Eli. Mainly delusional New York sports fans (the kind we have on this site who overrate Melo).

Tom Brady is not overrated at all.

[NumberSix]

People do overrate Eli. Mainly delusional New York sports fans (the kind we have on this site who overrate Melo).

Tom Brady is not overrated at all.
:roll:

Tom Brady is probably the most overrated QB of all time. Either him or Montana, who Brady is actually better than.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In the NBA? Kobe.

[JtotheIzzo]

Each sport has one. The definitive clear cut most overrated, media pushed players.

NFL = Tom Brady
NBA = Kobe Bryant
MLB = Derek Jeter

Yes Tom Brady :facepalm

you f*cking moron, the one year he had an elite receiver in his prime he rewrote the record book and had the second undefeated season ever, and had it not been for a whole bunch of fluky events (akin to Ray Allen`s improbably 3) he would have had his 4th championship.

Tom Brady is making chicken salad out of chicken shit again this season, if anything he is massively underrated.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I only watch NBA, so for now it's Kobe and Rose.

[NumberSix]

Yes Tom Brady :facepalm

you f*cking moron, the one year he had an elite receiver in his prime he rewrote the record book and had the second undefeated season ever, and had it not been for a whole bunch of fluky events (akin to Ray Allen`s improbably 3) he would have had his 4th championship.

Tom Brady is making chicken salad out of chicken shit again this season, if anything he is massively underrated.
Football is a team sport. Even more so than basketball. Get the fcuk outta here with that "he won" bullshit.

I could just as easily say if it weren't for a fluky call against the raiders, his career as a starter could have ended right there with 0 rings.

[RagaZ]

NFL: RGIII

NBA: LeBrck James

Agree.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:roll:

Tom Brady is probably the most overrated QB of all time. Either him or Montana, who Brady is actually better than.
Explain to me why you think he is overrated.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

BTW Kaepernick is another one for overrated.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yes Tom Brady :facepalm

you f*cking moron, the one year he had an elite receiver in his prime he rewrote the record book and had the second undefeated season ever, and had it not been for a whole bunch of fluky events (akin to Ray Allen`s improbably 3) he would have had his 4th championship.

Tom Brady is making chicken salad out of chicken shit again this season, if anything he is massively underrated.

LOL I love when people use things like "if this didn't happen" or if "so and so just did this" to try and make an argument. Do you know how stupid you sound trying to argue things like that? The Patriots won 18 games in a row and proceeded to lose to a wild card team that people were thought would lose in the first round. The fact is the Patriots haven't won shit since they got caught cheating.

[CavaliersFTW]

NBA: Jeremy Lin
Yep, LINSANITY!!!! :oldlol:

Got to be the most overhyped overrated person in sports history after that :roll:

[JtotheIzzo]

Football is a team sport. Even more so than basketball. Get the fcuk outta here with that "he won" bullshit.

I could just as easily say if it weren't for a fluky call against the raiders, his career as a starter could have ended right there with 0 rings.

I will give you a pass because you obviously know very little about football, but please bear in mind so sound like a complete and utter moron, this bit of advice is free.

[NumberSix]

Explain to me why you think he is overrated.
Because he's another case of over simplified ring counting. People completely disregard the fact that those championship teams were defense first teams and they disregard that Brady was just an ok QB for the first title.

[NumberSix]

I will give you a pass because you obviously know very little about football, but please bear in mind so sound like a complete and utter moron, this bit of advice is free.
Keep your passes for someone who values them.


City of losers.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Because he's another case of over simplified ring counting. People completely disregard the fact that those championship teams were defense first teams and they disregard that Brady was just an ok QB for the first title.
Okay, But you do realize he has had absurd statistical seasons right? t's not like he's Terry Bradshaw or something.

[CanYouDigIt]

Yep, LINSANITY!!!! :oldlol:

Got to be the most overhyped overrated person in sports history after that :roll:
Lin is #2 in most overrated. Lin has only been overrated for over a year. Kobe has been overrated for over a decade. He practically rode on Shaq's back to 3 tites. Now Lin will ride on Dwight's back for 4 titles. :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

Keep your passes for someone who values them.


City of losers.

owned :roll:

[JtotheIzzo]

Because he's another case of over simplified ring counting. People completely disregard the fact that those championship teams were defense first teams and they disregard that Brady was just an ok QB for the first title.

ignorance plus arrogance is a very sad thing to read. stick to trolling Kobe fans, leave your painfully pathetic football knowledge out of this.

[NumberSix]

Okay, But you do realize he has had absurd statistical seasons right? t's not like he's Terry Bradshaw or something.
I didn't say he's a bad player, just overrated. He's a great QB, not good. Great. But he does get rated much higher than what he should. The idea of people putting him in the same sentence as Manning or Marino is utterly ridiculous. I'm not saying he's Trent Dilfer.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I didn't say he's a bad player, just overrated. He's a great QB, not good. Great. But he does get rated much higher than what he should. The idea of people putting him in the same sentence as Manning or Marino is utterly ridiculous.
I don't think he's as good as Manning either but I wouldn't call someone who argued that a total moron. It is a somewhat valid argument. Tom Brady is not just great he is an all time great.

[NumberSix]

I don't think he's as good as Manning either but I wouldn't call someone who argued that a total moron. It is a somewhat valid argument. Tom Brady is not just great he is an all time great.
No, it's not. There's no validity whatsoever. It's like comparing Wade and LeBron. Both are great, but there's no case at all for them being equals.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No, it's not. There's no validity whatsoever. It's like comparing Wade and LeBron. Both are great, but there's no case at all for them being equals.
It's more like comparing Magic Johnson (Tom Brady) to Larry Bird (Peyton Manning). Magic had more rings etc. but I think Larry was a superior player.

[NumberSix]

It's more like comparing Magic Johnson (Tom Brady) to Larry Bird (Peyton Manning). Magic had more rings etc. but I think Larry was a superior player.
This is why he's overrated. people put him on that level where he doesn't belong. Saying Manning/Brady is like Bird/Magic is very much overrating Brady.

[secund2nun]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of his generation. Rose also is as well. The NBA is full of them.

For non-NBA I would say Peyton. He is one of the top 10 QBs of all time, but he is the biggest playoff choker ever.

I think Brady is the real deal. He is Mr. Clutch even when his cast isn't so strong.

[NumberSix]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of his generation. Rose also is as well. The NBA is full of them.

For non-NBA I would say Peyton. He is one of the top 10 QBs of all time, but he is the biggest playoff choker ever.

I think Brady is the real deal. He is Mr. Clutch even when his cast isn't so strong.
Not really. Mannings entire colts career had consistently bad defences and mediocre coaches.

Football is a pure team sport. Only morons use this stupid formula of attributing all wins and losses to a single guy.

[lakerspng]

LeBron has been the most overrated basketball player since he was in high school.

how's that?

can a moderator please remove all these obvious troll threads, it's just ridiculous.

[NumberSix]

LeBron has been the most overrated basketball player since he was in high school.

how's that?

can a moderator please remove all these obvious troll threads, it's just ridiculous.
How is this a troll thread? Because a couple posters said your favorite player? Put your big boy pants on and grow a pair.

[lakerspng]

How is this a troll thread? Because a couple posters said your favorite player? Put your big boy pants on and grow a pair.

because as you so subtly displayed in your original post, the entire reason for beginning this topic was to allow you to claim that Kobe is the most overrated player in the game of basketball for his entire generation.

you weren't even able to fill out one of the categories, not because you don't know many players but because you had already made the ridiculous assertion that you created the entire thread to facilitate.

and for MLB, I would say Barry Bonds.

[Mass Debator]

"His statistics are amazing, 342 touchdowns to only 127 interceptions and 46,286 passing yards, thus far. This includes him owning the record that Denver Broncos' quarterback Peyton Manning is on pace to duplicate or shatter this season, Brady's 50 touchdown passes in the 2007-2008 season."

He's toe-to-toe with the best regular season quarterback ever in statistics and have 3 Superbowl titles.

How do you call anyone underrated when he consistently produces with elite stats and wins like no one else (besides Manning) with clutch plays after clutch plays? Better question is: what is he overrated at? Because you don't like his mechanics, charisma, or how he is credited on a lot of his team success?

You know how crazy it is for someone who throws so much and not have 1 season with more than 14 interceptions thrown? You know how crazy it is to throw 50 touchdowns to 8 interceptions? Or to throw 5200+ yards (Brees is the only other person who has done that)? To play with so many different offensive coordinators and still not fall off as a offensive player? Brady has like a 17-7 playoff record to Manning's 9-12.

Brady may have been thrown into a great situation, but he's taken every advantage of every opportunity and will be known as a top 5 quarterback of all time.

Manning has had bad defenses, but we know he is known for making bad throws in crucial moments. If you got the opportunity to seal the game and you blow it, your defense did good enough.

[kNicKz]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0910/championship.rings/images/yankees-derek-jeter-rings.jpg

[LikeABosh]

People do overrate Eli. Mainly delusional New York sports fans (the kind we have on this site who overrate Melo).

Tom Brady is not overrated at all.
Brady is most definitely overrated. He's still a great QB but I hear way to many people call him the GOAT. LMAO he is not close to the GOAT QB if you actually know about football. Super bowl rings don't mean everything. Marino>>>Brady

[Mass Debator]

Brady is most definitely overrated. He's still a great QB but I hear way to many people call him the GOAT. LMAO he is not close to the GOAT QB if you actually know about football. Super bowl rings don't mean everything. Marino>>>Brady
Can you tell me what case you have with Marino > Brady? Are you talking about capabilities or overall career?

[LikeABosh]

Can you tell me what case you have with Marino > Brady? Are you talking about capabilities or overall career?
Marino is just a bettet quarterback.

[NumberSix]

Can you tell me what case you have with Marino > Brady? Are you talking about capabilities or overall career?
Oh Jesus, are you kidding me? This is the very definition of how overrated Brady is. That someone would even ask such a ridiculous question.

That's like saying "can you tell me what case you have with Jordan > isiah".

[SamuraiSWISH]

SMH @ the young kid who said Brady > Montana? Jesus, educate yourself please. Only QB clearly better of his era who didn't have near the talent surrounding him that Montana, Young, Aikman, Elway, Kelly had around them was Dan "the man" Marino.

The current NFL, much like the NBA changed the rules to be softer to discourage defense, boost offense and casual fan base through sexy stats (passing heavy league) and the draw of viewers through fantasy football.

Shit is like flag football now, throwing all day, QBs chilling in the pocket with no worries of being hit because of all the soft rules protecting quarterbacks.

Overrated? Not Tom Brady. Dude wins, he didn't have elite skills or tools coming in the league. White QBs are the only ones who are truly successful on that level because they out smart you. That's why the uber athletic, selfish brother QBs always fail.

I'd say Drew Brees and his passing records are extremely overrated. That's my pick for overrated. Big Ben is overrated too.

[NumberSix]

because as you so subtly displayed in your original post, the entire reason for beginning this topic was to allow you to claim that Kobe is the most overrated player in the game of basketball for his entire generation.

you weren't even able to fill out one of the categories, not because you don't know many players but because you had already made the ridiculous assertion that you created the entire thread to facilitate.

and for MLB, I would say Barry Bonds.
I never said anything about Kobe after the OP. The majority of the thread has been about Tom Brady.

Get meds for that paranoia.... Or cut out them tweeds.

[kshutts1]

Most overrated NFL player is probably Chris Johnson right now. People still talk about him like he's a runner to be feared, but when's the last time he made a defense pay?

As for Brady, I hate him, but he's my pick for MVP this year. Forget Peyton and all his flashy numbers... if you're a top 3 QB of ALL TIME with that stacked offense, you are expected to put up ridiculous numbers. Brady, Manning, Brees, and maybe a small amount of other QBs could have that sort of offensive season with those weapons. Arguably the greatest weapons ever assembled.

But Brady? He's throwing to random dudes from the stands, and handing the ball off to what.. his third string back?... and still something crazy like 5-1. I realize football is the ultimate team sport, but he's the glue holding everything together and making all the pieces work.

Manning is doing what he is supposed to do. Brady is doing what no one thought possible.

So no, Brady is not overrated. I don't think he's the best QB in the league, but he deserves to be in the discussion, and has deserved to be for the past 7 or so years.

[riseagainst]

in the NBA definitely Lebron.

[avonbarksdale]

tom brady won 3 superbowls kobe won 5 rings jeter won 5 rings


they may not be the GOATs but cmon its reasonable to overrate them

[kshutts1]

Oh, and I forgot NBA.

My vote goes to Durant. He's a phenomenal player, but he is not even close to being the best in the league. Lebron is the best, by a wide margin. Then Durant is in the discussion (and likely wins) for second best. The simple fact that most people argue between Lebron or Durant shows how overrated Durant is (or underrated Lebron is... he really is far and away the best).

[NumberSix]

Oh, and I forgot NBA.

My vote goes to Durant. He's a phenomenal player, but he is not even close to being the best in the league. Lebron is the best, by a wide margin. Then Durant is in the discussion (and likely wins) for second best. The simple fact that most people argue between Lebron or Durant shows how overrated Durant is (or underrated Lebron is... he really is far and away the best).
I would agree with this. IMO, Durant isn't this automatic hands down 2nd best that everyone makes him out to be. Yeah, he's in the discussion, but he's not the undisputed top 2.

I'd say Jeter is the worst offender by far. If he played on ANY other team, he'd be just another guy.

[kshutts1]

I would agree with this. IMO, Durant isn't this automatic hands down 2nd best that everyone makes him out to be. Yeah, he's in the discussion, but he's not the undisputed top 2.

I'd say Jeter is the worst offender by far. If he played on ANY other team, he'd be just another guy.
I don't know any sport other than basketball, and I know some football. Never watched a game of baseball in my life, and I've only seen 4 hockey games. 3 were college games that I was given free tickets to, and the fourth was semi pro where I was given the tickets.

[lakerspng]

Most overrated NFL player is probably Chris Johnson right now. People still talk about him like he's a runner to be feared, but when's the last time he made a defense pay?

As for Brady, I hate him, but he's my pick for MVP this year. Forget Peyton and all his flashy numbers... if you're a top 3 QB of ALL TIME with that stacked offense, you are expected to put up ridiculous numbers. Brady, Manning, Brees, and maybe a small amount of other QBs could have that sort of offensive season with those weapons. Arguably the greatest weapons ever assembled.

But Brady? He's throwing to random dudes from the stands, and handing the ball off to what.. his third string back?... and still something crazy like 5-1. I realize football is the ultimate team sport, but he's the glue holding everything together and making all the pieces work.

Manning is doing what he is supposed to do. Brady is doing what no one thought possible.

So no, Brady is not overrated. I don't think he's the best QB in the league, but he deserves to be in the discussion, and has deserved to be for the past 7 or so years.

Seriously?

Brady has been doing okay with what he has around him, but he is in no way close to the MVP of the league. Brady's actually played pretty poorly at times, the Pats are very fortunate to have the record they do so far.

And Manning is not just doing what he's supposed to be doing, he's doing what no one else ever has. He's playing at a level I've only seen a couple times in my life and I've been watching football avidly for 30 years

[inclinerator]

LeBron has been the most overrated basketball player since he was in high school.

how's that?

can a moderator please remove all these obvious troll threads, it's just ridiculous.

arguably in the top 10 at age 28 is not overrated

[lakerspng]

arguably in the top 10 at age 28 is not overrated

he was overrated for how ESPN handled him from the outset. He has lived up to the hype. But I hate hype machines, let a muthaf@cka earn it before they're called it.

I wrote that though in response to the OP, since his intent was solely to give himself an excuse to call Kobe overrated.

Lebron's an amazing player and certainly an all time talent. Just getting really hard to deal with the retarded level of standom running amuck.

[Solefade]

Damn, Tom Brady forreal? Who's a better candidate than Tom Brady on the GOAT list after Joe Montana? This guy does more with less than any other QB.

[NumberSix]

Seriously?

Brady has been doing okay with what he has around him, but he is in no way close to the MVP of the league. Brady's actually played pretty poorly at times, the Pats are very fortunate to have the record they do so far.

And Manning is not just doing what he's supposed to be doing, he's doing what no one else ever has. He's playing at a level I've only seen a couple times in my life and I've been watching football avidly for 30 years
I'm a huge manning fan, but you have to put an * on what he's doing under current rules.

[kshutts1]

Seriously?

Brady has been doing okay with what he has around him, but he is in no way close to the MVP of the league. Brady's actually played pretty poorly at times, the Pats are very fortunate to have the record they do so far.

And Manning is not just doing what he's supposed to be doing, he's doing what no one else ever has. He's playing at a level I've only seen a couple times in my life and I've been watching football avidly for 30 years
Since you've watched football so avidly for 30 years, please inform me, as I've only watched since 2003.

How does the current Broncos offense compare to others in terms of talent? Demariyus (sp), Welker, Decker, Julius Thomas? Really? Each of those three WRs would be the best receiving option on about 20-25 NFL teams. Then Julius Thomas I don't know enough about aside from this year, but he's been quite good. I can't imagine him being anything but a top 5 pass-catching TE in the entire league.

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitz
Dez Bryant
Brandon Marshall
AJ Green
Julio Jones?
...

Are there any other WRs better than all 3 of the Denver WRs?

[NumberSix]

Since you've watched football so avidly for 30 years, please inform me, as I've only watched since 2003.

How does the current Broncos offense compare to others in terms of talent? Demariyus (sp), Welker, Decker, Julius Thomas? Really? Each of those three WRs would be the best receiving option on about 20-25 NFL teams. Then Julius Thomas I don't know enough about aside from this year, but he's been quite good. I can't imagine him being anything but a top 5 pass-catching TE in the entire league.

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitz
Dez Bryant
Brandon Marshall
AJ Green
Julio Jones?
...

Are there any other WRs better than all 3 of the Denver WRs?
Decker is ok. He's nothing special at all.

[3peated]

how exactly can you say kobe over someone like...i dunno..****ing melo?

and nfl lol@ tom brady, the most successful qb in the last 10 years probably

nfl: probably rg3 recently, maybe philip rivers the past few years or maybe even tony romo, even tho i don't think anyone expects much of him.
nba: melo, rose, cp3, tons more that haven't achieved anything near what kobe has.

[NumberSix]

how exactly can you say kobe over someone like...i dunno..****ing melo?

and nfl lol@ tom brady, the most successful qb in the last 10 years probably

nfl: probably rg3 recently, maybe philip rivers the past few years or maybe even tony romo, even tho i don't think anyone expects much of him.
nba: melo, rose, cp3, tons more that haven't achieved anything near what kobe has.
Who rates Melo highly?

And isn't Eli manning the most successful in the past 10 years?

[secund2nun]

Not really. Mannings entire colts career had consistently bad defences and mediocre coaches.

Football is a pure team sport. Only morons use this stupid formula of attributing all wins and losses to a single guy.

I clearly said I am not just basing it off of team success. Brees only has 1 ring but is a way better playoff QB than Peyton. Brady performs well in the playoffs, even in his loses.

It's how you lose that matters. Peyton plays poorly in the playoffs period. He throws many picks, few TDs and has a mediocre playoff QB rating for all time great QB. He is not a big game QB. It dates back to his days as a UT QB. He lost all 4 games to his big rival UF.

It's not like most of his playoff losses have been with Peyton throwing 300 yards 4 TDs 0 INT 130 QB rating. Most of his losses are around 250 yards 1 td 1 int 85 QB rating.

Manning will tear it up in the RS and the 1st round (sometimes) but he is mediocre beyond that.

[NumberSix]

I clearly said I am not just basing it off of team success. Brees only has 1 ring but is a way better playoff QB than Peyton. Brady performs well in the playoffs, even in his loses.

It's how you lose that matters. Peyton plays poorly in the playoffs period. He throws many picks, few TDs and has a mediocre playoff QB rating for all time great QB. He is not a big game QB. It dates back to his days as a UT QB. He lost all 4 games to his big rival UF.

It's not like most of his playoff losses have been with Peyton throwing 300 yards 4 TDs 0 INT 130 QB rating. Most of his losses are around 250 yards 1 td 1 int 85 QB rating.

Manning will tear it up in the RS and the 1st round (sometimes) but he is mediocre beyond that.
Yeah, Brady also routinely wins games while playing poorly.

As for Bree's being better than Manning..... Kill yourself. Your life has no value.

[TonyMontana]

The most overrated is a guy like Adrian Peterson. Someone who is constantly mentioned among the best players in the NFL yet he doesn't make a fourth of the impact of a great pocket passing QB. Also acceptable are the dual threat QBs that are gimmicks and die out after one year when everyone figures them out and they don't have the mental capacity to adjust.

NBA: Kobe Bryant
NFL: Adrian Peterson/Mike Vick
MLB: Anyone on the Yankees

[lakerspng]

Since you've watched football so avidly for 30 years, please inform me, as I've only watched since 2003.

How does the current Broncos offense compare to others in terms of talent? Demariyus (sp), Welker, Decker, Julius Thomas? Really? Each of those three WRs would be the best receiving option on about 20-25 NFL teams. Then Julius Thomas I don't know enough about aside from this year, but he's been quite good. I can't imagine him being anything but a top 5 pass-catching TE in the entire league.

Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitz
Dez Bryant
Brandon Marshall
AJ Green
Julio Jones?
...

Are there any other WRs better than all 3 of the Denver WRs?

Denver's receiving corps are very strong, but not the best. Atlanta's and San Fran's are equally strong (though SF missing crabtree all year hurts) if not better. Hell the giants have a strong group of receivers as well, just have the wrong manning throwing to them this year... but they have nothing on some earlier teams. 9ers in the 80s and 90s, Cowboys in the 90s, those were some great groups... and what Manning is doing this year still eclipses what they (Aikman, Montana, Young) did (regular season numbers wise of course, yet to see it turn into a championship)

I think the success of the receivers on Denver are because of Peyton, not the other way around. It's not like they're saving his butt and making astounding plays to make their catches, 95% of his throws are in the exact place they need to be. His accuracy and timing has been flawless. Julius Thomas is a guy who's never even played football before and he's looking like an all pro. That's not the receiver, that's Manning putting the ball where it needs to be.

[secund2nun]

Yeah, Brady also routinely wins games while playing poorly.

As for Bree's being better than Manning..... Kill yourself. Your life has no value.

Brady plays much better in the playoff consistently. Peyton is a playoff choker.

Brees is a much better playoff performer than Peyton and outdueled him in the SB to top it off.

Go screw yourself you immature piece of sh*t, insulting someone over a sports comment.

[longtime lurker]

How the hell is Brady overrated? The man has 3 superbowl rings, league MVP, countless records and he's still doing his thing despite not having any weapons on offense.

As far as basketball goes the most overrated is Chris Paul.

[kshutts1]

Denver's receiving corps are very strong, but not the best. Atlanta's and San Fran's are equally strong (though SF missing crabtree all year hurts) if not better. Hell the giants have a strong group of receivers as well, just have the wrong manning throwing to them this year... but they have nothing on some earlier teams. 9ers in the 80s and 90s, Cowboys in the 90s, those were some great groups... and what Manning is doing this year still eclipses what they (Aikman, Montana, Young) did (regular season numbers wise of course, yet to see it turn into a championship)

I think the success of the receivers on Denver are because of Peyton, not the other way around. It's not like they're saving his butt and making astounding plays to make their catches, 95% of his throws are in the exact place they need to be. His accuracy and timing has been flawless. Julius Thomas is a guy who's never even played football before and he's looking like an all pro. That's not the receiver, that's Manning putting the ball where it needs to be.
I disagree with bolded. SF has bad receivers. Atlanta has two good receivers, Tony Gonzalez who is good on reputation, and nothing else. Giants have two good receivers. Those three teams combined have one player that would crack the starting lineup in Denver... Julio Jones.

As for Julius Thomas, correct me if I"m wrong but Jimmy Graham (best receiving TE currently) and Antonio Gates (holds multiple TE receiving records) were primarily basketball players, similar to Thomas, prior to being drafted. They were both projects. And the best TE ever, while he played football more frequently in college and HS, is also a "converted" basketball player. So that argument for Thomas holds no water in my mind.

The rest of the unbolded I either agree with (Manning's accuracy, etc) or can't speak out (older teams).

But just for kicks, in relation to Manning's accuracy, I looked up YAC for his receivers....
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch

All 4 of the guys I named are in the top 35. 12 of the players ahead of them are RB. So the 4 pass-catchers I named are in the top 23 in YAC. Sounds like they are, in fact, doing a lot of work for Manning. Obviously a well placed and timed ball helps in YAC, but the stat shows at least a decent of how talented they are.

[CelticBaller]

Tom Brady is overrated?

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tom-Brady-Super-Bowl.jpg

[Jameerthefear]

I disagree with bolded. SF has bad receivers. Atlanta has two good receivers, Tony Gonzalez who is good on reputation, and nothing else. Giants have two good receivers. Those three teams combined have one player that would crack the starting lineup in Denver... Julio Jones.

As for Julius Thomas, correct me if I"m wrong but Jimmy Graham (best receiving TE currently) and Antonio Gates (holds multiple TE receiving records) were primarily basketball players, similar to Thomas, prior to being drafted. They were both projects. And the best TE ever, while he played football more frequently in college and HS, is also a "converted" basketball player. So that argument for Thomas holds no water in my mind.

The rest of the unbolded I either agree with (Manning's accuracy, etc) or can't speak out (older teams).

But just for kicks, in relation to Manning's accuracy, I looked up YAC for his receivers....
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch

All 4 of the guys I named are in the top 35. 12 of the players ahead of them are RB. So the 4 pass-catchers I named are in the top 23 in YAC. Sounds like they are, in fact, doing a lot of work for Manning. Obviously a well placed and timed ball helps in YAC, but the stat shows at least a decent of how talented they are.
Did you just say Tony is only good on reputation? Get fvcking real :roll:

[Greg Oden 50]

Each sport has one. The definitive clear cut most overrated, media pushed players.

NFL = Tom Brady
NBA = Kobe Bryant
MLB = Derek Jeter

should be lebron james

[La Frescobaldi]

Kobe is easily the most overrated player of his generation. Rose also is as well. The NBA is full of them.

For non-NBA I would say Peyton. He is one of the top 10 QBs of all time, but he is the biggest playoff choker ever.

I think Brady is the real deal. He is Mr. Clutch even when his cast isn't so strong.
Manning isn't even close to Thurman Thomas who taught the world that Buffalo's team is spelled BiL L L L s

[SyRyanYang]

Lebron and Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Tom Brady is overrated?

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tom-Brady-Super-Bowl.jpg
What happened to winning titles after they got busted cheating? :confusedshrug:

[CelticBaller]

What happened to winning titles after they got busted cheating? :confusedshrug:
still went to the superbowl few years ago, still more rings than any current starting QB :oldlol:

[kshutts1]

Did you just say Tony is only good on reputation? Get fvcking real :roll:
Not at all. I, in fact, called him the best TE ever. Sorry if I worded it in a confusing way.

[Soundwave]

Dwight Howard is the most overrated NBA player IMO.

[ROCSteady]

NFL: RGIII

NBA: Kobrick Bryant


Prolly my two favorites :mad: U can die now :oldlol:


As a huge Redskins fan and Lakers fan, u r wrong tho. I can see why you pick these answers but:

1. RG3 is having a slow start due to injury and his team isn't helping him in any phase of the game. Last year still happened, he's a phenom. HE will get it together

2. Kobe isn't sure what he sued to be but people need to evaluate players on what they are now, not were. IT is very hard to overrate prime Kobe because what he did as a 2 guard, nobody has scored so proficiently.

Only dumb fans and media hear and say, "Kobe" and expect him to be what he was in 2004-2007. He's still a good player but nobody cheats Father Time

[atljonesbro]

I disagree with bolded. SF has bad receivers. Atlanta has two good receivers, Tony Gonzalez who is good on reputation, and nothing else. Giants have two good receivers. Those three teams combined have one player that would crack the starting lineup in Denver... Julio Jones.

As for Julius Thomas, correct me if I"m wrong but Jimmy Graham (best receiving TE currently) and Antonio Gates (holds multiple TE receiving records) were primarily basketball players, similar to Thomas, prior to being drafted. They were both projects. And the best TE ever, while he played football more frequently in college and HS, is also a "converted" basketball player. So that argument for Thomas holds no water in my mind.

The rest of the unbolded I either agree with (Manning's accuracy, etc) or can't speak out (older teams).

But just for kicks, in relation to Manning's accuracy, I looked up YAC for his receivers....
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch

All 4 of the guys I named are in the top 35. 12 of the players ahead of them are RB. So the 4 pass-catchers I named are in the top 23 in YAC. Sounds like they are, in fact, doing a lot of work for Manning. Obviously a well placed and timed ball helps in YAC, but the stat shows at least a decent of how talented they are.
Lol at idiotic casual fans like yourself who don't realize Roddy when healthy is a top 7 wr in the Nfl and has been for the past like 4 years. But doesn't make "dem swag plays" therefore you have absolutely no clue how great he is because he isn't plastered on espn.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Yes Tom Brady :facepalm

you f*cking moron, the one year he had an elite receiver in his prime he rewrote the record book and had the second undefeated season ever, and had it not been for a whole bunch of fluky events (akin to Ray Allen`s improbably 3) he would have had his 4th championship.

Tom Brady is making chicken salad out of chicken shit again this season, if anything he is massively underrated.


His records have way more to do with an elite offensive line and a pass happy era than is acknowledged.

His super bowls have way more to do with a star studded defense and adam vinatieri than is acknowledged.

[OldSkoolball#52]

How the hell is Brady overrated? The man has 3 superbowl rings.

As far as basketball goes the most overrated is Chris Paul.



You watch too much PTI bro. You're devoid of analytical ability. You just bleet "rings" over and over and think that suffices for a legitimate player critique (in a team sport lmfao). Just like they do on PTI.


"Rings! I pick one player from every team and give him credit for rings!!!! Its the only thing I kniw how to understand!!

[kshutts1]

Lol at idiotic casual fans like yourself who don't realize Roddy when healthy is a top 7 wr in the Nfl and has been for the past like 4 years. But doesn't make "dem swag plays" therefore you have absolutely no clue how great he is because he isn't plastered on espn.

Not disrespecting Roddy White at all. But last I checked, Manning only had this current receiving corps this season... so why would I include past seasons for other teams?

But thank you for assuming I like "swag plays" even though I called Welker and Decker great. That made sense.

[atljonesbro]

Not disrespecting Roddy White at all. But last I checked, Manning only had this current receiving corps this season... so why would I include past seasons for other teams?

But thank you for assuming I like "swag plays" even though I called Welker and Decker great. That made sense.
Roddy White would start over anyone not named Demarius Thomas. He'd thrive GREATLY playing with Manning like his current receivers do.

[#number6ix#]

NFL: Mike Vick
NBA: all the star players are overrated
MLB: A-rod

[kNicKz]

Tom Brady is overrated?

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Tom-Brady-Super-Bowl.jpg

I can see why people say he's overrated. He's never won a superbowl since spygate :confusedshrug:

The Tuck Rule was invented for him (raiders should have gone to the superbowl that year)

Vinateri made that legendary kick as well to win a superbowl for him

He's really good, but his championships all came from pretty stacked teams. Also, he had footage of other teams defensive routs and memorized their plays. He looked like he was 1 step ahead of them because he was.....he had all of their plays smh

[SilkkTheShocker]

Brady's rings are about as legit as Barry Bond's home run record.

[RagaZ]

Brady's rings are about as legit as Barry Bond's home run record.
But Pats still contended for the title after Spygate.

Should have won SB 2 seasons ago.

[NumberSix]

But Pats still contended for the title after Spygate.

Should have won SB 2 seasons ago.
Why exactly SHOULD they have won? If you lose, you lose.

[Wally450]

Peyton Manning, he can't get out of the first round.

[anyonebutmiami]

Each sport has one. The definitive clear cut most overrated, media pushed players.

NFL = Tom Brady
NBA = Kobe Bryant
MLB = Derek Jeter

DUDE!!! you're crazy, I'd take all three of those guys any day!!!!

[NumberSix]

DUDE!!! you're crazy, I'd take all three of those guys any day!!!!
I didn't say they're bad players.

[La Frescobaldi]

Why exactly SHOULD they have won? If you lose, you lose.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1214/pg2_g_tyree_576.jpg

Tell me that isn't the most fluke play in NFL history.

They should have checked that helmet for this:

http://www.inzernet.com/images/product_shots/stickumlrg.jpg

[okayabc123]

Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant, and Derek Jeter will go down as one of the best to play in their respected sports.

That's not overrated. If you argue because they played with other great players and that is why they get the rings, so what? Most great players play with other greats to win rings anyway. Jordan didn't win sh!t without PJax and Pippen, is he overrated too? Lebron choose to play with Wade and Bosh so he can get his ring.

Do kids even know what overrated means? Overrated means you are expected to do be one of the best, and you never live up to expectation. I think Brady, Bryant, and Jeter all lived up to majority of people's expectation, if not more.

Stop being a dumb****...

[branslowski]

Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant, and Derek Jeter will go down as one of the best to play in their respected sports.

That's not overrated. If you argue because they played with other great players and that is why they get the rings, so what? Most great players play with other greats to win rings anyway. Jordan didn't win sh!t without PJax and Pippen, is he overrated too? Lebron choose to play with Wade and Bosh so he can get his ring.

Do kids even know what overrated means? Overrated means you are expected to do be one of the best, and you never live up to expectation. I think Brady, Bryant, and Jeter all lived up to majority of people's expectation, if not more.

Stop being a dumb****...

Dude, this is known. Any player, actor, or musician who dominates their profession and gains millions of fans will be called overrated. It is what it is. Humans like to go against the popular thing because it makes them personally feel unique.

LeBron-called overrated
Jordan- called overrated
Kobe-called overrated.

Same with Brady, Jay Z, and now Kendrick Lamar.

People try to become so unique to the point that they become uniquely stupid.

[Fudge]

NFL: Eli
NBA: Kobe and LeBron (tie imo)
MLB: Don't watch a lot of baseball to know.

[PickernRoller]

NBA: Lebron James.

Lets recap:
1. Calling himself a winner before winning.
2. Promising sh1t that he never kept - delivering a ring in Cleveland - the Chosen One!
3. Sh1t image for the sport: Don't mind his fans echoing the same BS before the Queen won jack sh1t. Delusions of grandeur.
4. The Decision - ring chaser, short cut master.
5. After the disaster of the 2011 Finals that featured the worst choske of an NBA superstar in the history of the game - ESPN, the one that brought you the infamous and disgusting "Decision" had no other choice than to ridicule James for his choking ways.
6. Went to Miami to join one superstar and an all-star, depleting the Eastern conference of talent.
7. Enjoys the luxury of playing for the most stacked team in the league - recruiting players to make his short cut to rings easier.
8. Lebron won his rings in a league vs: 1 - lockout season with a young and inexperienced OKC team(with BFF summer b1tch Durant) making the final and 2 - The grandpa Spurs taking them into a game 7, failing to close it out if not for the heroics of Ray Allen(best 3pt shooter of all time), NOT Lebron.

It's fair to say Lebron is the most overrated athlete in the NBA bar none. His accomplishments are all overshadow by the truth: context.

His fans can deny this all they want a million times every day. It doesn't matter.

[Fudge]

People like the OP tend to go against the grain and go opposite of the "popular opinion" and make out their statements to be some sort of fact. On top of dat, he hasn't even explained why he picked his choices. You know I wuv you NumberSix, but quit being dumb.

[TylerOO]

Dude, this is known. Any player, actor, or musician who dominates their profession and gains millions of fans will be called overrated. It is what it is. Humans like to go against the popular thing because it makes them personally feel unique.

LeBron-called overrated
Jordan- called overrated
Kobe-called overrated.

Same with Brady, Jay Z, and now Kendrick Lamar.

People try to become so unique to the point that they become uniquely stupid.

:applause: :applause:

[Horde of Temujin]

Dwight Howard. If he played in the '90's he would a third tier center at best, maybe even 4th tier

[DC Zephyrs]

How is this not Eli Manning? He has never had a truly great season, yet he's somehow a lock for the Hall of Fame. His whole career is basically defined by 8 playoff games.

[BasedTom]

How is this not Eli Manning? He has never had a truly great season, yet he's somehow a lock for the Hall of Fame. His whole career is basically defined by 8 playoff games.
It is called a Hall of FAME not Hall of Talent after all.

[Cali Syndicate]

Two most ridiculous things I read in this thread.

Montana is overrated and tony Gonzalez is good "through reputation."

ISH never fails to amaze me.

[Cali Syndicate]

Not at all. I, in fact, called him the best TE ever. Sorry if I worded it in a confusing way.

Didn't see this.

[j3lademaster]

Marino is just a bettet quarterback.So when it's Lebron vs Kobe and it's convenient for you, it's "stats, stats, stats" and any "eyetest" argument for Kobe is deemed invalid and idiotic. But when it's not convenient for you- like Brady who has more rings and better stats than Marino- it's okay for you to use solid logic like "he's just a bettet(sic.) quarterback"?

Ladies and Gentleman, the Lebron stan. :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

How is this not Eli Manning? He has never had a truly great season, yet he's somehow a lock for the Hall of Fame. His whole career is basically defined by 8 playoff games.


Pretty sure Jim Plunkett is the only starting QB with multiple Super Bowl victories not in the HOF. Eli is a lock, even with his current poor season. The first Super Bowl alone is already considered by many to be the biggest upset in NFL history. His last name alone holds a ton of weight. People are tripping if they don't think Eli is going in the HOF.

[BoutPractice]

Would YOU rather be called 'underrated' or 'overrated'?
I'm pretty sure most people would answer 'overrated'. If someone calls you 'underrated', it means you still haven't accomplished enough for people to notice you. You're benign, non-threatening, you basically play in the small leagues. They'll only call you 'overrated' if you're so successful as to make them feel threatened.

[kshutts1]

Two most ridiculous things I read in this thread.

Montana is overrated and tony Gonzalez is good "through reputation."

ISH never fails to amaze me.

To be fair, I did say he was good "through reputation" first (meaning this season). Then later called him the greatest ever (which he is).

So I did say both, and I stand by both.

[mans1ay3r]

Holy shit this is hilarious. OP has balls saying Tom Brady is overrated... on a basketball forum. /sarcasm.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Holy shit this is hilarious. OP has balls saying Tom Brady is overrated... on a basketball forum. /sarcasm.

My thing against Brady is all the cheating it took to win those Super Bowls. It would shut a lot of people up if had won one the last two Super Bowls he played in. Instead he lost to a wild card team after winning 18 games in a row. And lost again to the Giants a few years later as favorites again. No championships since Spygate.

[Heavincent]

lol at calling Joe Montana overrated. He was nearly flawless in the playoffs throughout his career. Brady, Peyton, and Marino aren't even really close to him in terms of playoff performance.

[tmacattack33]

Iverson, Vince Carter, Kobe, Derrick Rose

[Nastradamus]

LOL I love when people use things like "if this didn't happen" or if "so and so just did this" to try and make an argument. Do you know how stupid you sound trying to argue things like that? The Patriots won 18 games in a row and proceeded to lose to a wild card team that people were thought would lose in the first round. The fact is the Patriots haven't won shit since they got caught cheating.

They've been to 2 SBs, a 3rd AFCCG and won double digit games and the division every year. STFU.

[SamuraiSWISH]

None of these athletes are overrated:

Brady
Manning
Kobe
LeBron

or hell, even Jeter.

You kids don't know what you're talking about. Resident Kobe groupie brainsnotski made a great point. People trying to be unique saying something universally accepted as great tend to come off more as uniquely stupid.