ITT: LeBron fans on suicide watch

[russwest0]

As voted on by NBA players

http://i.imgur.com/bO71IFy.png

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:roll: :roll:

[Twiens]

Oh god :roll:

[Chrono90]

http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7973/kobechirpslebrone133031.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tutioheFCV8

[secund2nun]

Further proof of Kobe being overrated. Kobe is a worse clutch player than Lebron in both RS and PO.

[alec613]

I bet Heat players didn't get to vote

[russwest0]

Oh god :roll:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM

[russwest0]

Further proof of Kobe being overrated. Kobe is a worse clutch player than Lebron in both RS and PO.

Call me up when LeBitch does this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEgFnNwPzY

[edrick]

I'd pick Robert Horry over Kobe and Lebron.

[zoom17]

Russelwest0 why dont you worry about your depleted okc roster more than Lebron James he one of the best ever get over it and accept it:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Brokenbeat]

Wait, isn't there a 0% chance that LeBron has the balls to take that shot anyway? :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Who voted on this? Ignorant players? Or was it the ignorant GM's that said Billups was better than Melo with the game on the line?

All these polls prove is how ignorant people "in the know" actually are.

[Chrono90]

All jokes aside, Lebron and Kobe are just different players. Like Lebron said, they're different type of hunters. When you need a closer to close the 4th quarter or you need that one basket, it's Kobe. But Lebron is the type of player that would play so great throughout the game that it wouldn't get to that point.

Both killers. Just different types of killers.

[Hoopz2332]

Perception vs reality


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:eek: :oldlol:

[uber]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM

I don't even like Lebron but he passed the ball to the open man. You could argue that Haslem isn't the best player in this situation but he was open. I can guarantee you if KD would have done this pass everybody would be talking about how great that play was and how smart KD is.

[russwest0]

Perception vs reality


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:eek: :oldlol:

Who you trying to convince, us or yourself braj, we all saw 2011

[russwest0]

I don't even like Lebron but he passed the ball to the open man. You could argue that Haslem isn't the best player in this situation but he was open. I can guarantee you if KD would have done this pass everybody would be talking about how great that play was and how smart KD is.

KD would score the ball on both of those ****** trying to guard him. He wouldn't pass it off to a bench scrub who had 4 points on the night

KD has 5 game winning shots in these last 2 playoff runs alone. You don't hear about it because the media doesn't suck his **** trying to force a false narrative.

[SamuraiSWISH]

For a final shot? Of course you don't take LeBron. Players like KD, Dirk, Kyrie, Melo, Kobe, Paul, hell for a final shot I'd pick Rudy Gay or Jamal Crawford over him as well. I trust LeBron would make the right plays before the final two minutes of a pressure packed game. He's too frightened by the possibility of failure. It's obviously one of the few unreliable parts of his game.

[Ca$H]

Perception vs reality


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Perception >>> Reality. Tony Romo has the highest QB rating in the 4th quarter in NFL History yet he is known as the biggest choker in sports.

[riseagainst]

As voted on by NBA players

http://i.imgur.com/bO71IFy.png

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:roll: :roll:

:roll:

[jzek]

Has Jordan ever missed a game-winning shot in the playoffs? Serious question.

[russwest0]

Perception >>> Reality. Tony Romo has the highest QB rating in the 4th quarter in NFL History yet he is known as the biggest choker in sports.

Exactly, these clowns are acting like 2011 doesn't exist

[DaSeba5]

What is this from?

[uber]

KD would score the ball on both of those ****** trying to guard him. He wouldn't pass it off to a bench scrub who had 4 points on the night

KD has 5 game winning shots in these last 2 playoff runs alone. You don't hear about it because the media doesn't suck his **** trying to force a false narrative.

Look im not trying to hate on KD but i'm sure there will be atleast one game where he passed up the last shot to an open man. The difference is that Lebron is so over analyzed that every little mistake is being blown out of proportion instantly. It was just a RS game against the Jazz.

[zoom17]

Cant wait til the season starts and juding buy threads like these I am not the only one:oldlol:

[BoutPractice]

In the final minutes of a game, you want to have LeBron on your team more than you want to have most players commonly called 'clutch'. But for the final shot, you definitely trust a Dirk, Durant, or Melo before him (and Kobe, but for a different reason: Kobe is too predictable in those situations and thus easy to bait into a horrible shot, whereas LeBron's problem is that he doesn't look like he truly wants to take the shot)

[Uncle Drew]

What is this from?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9829550/lebron-james-gets-mixed-reviews-poll-peers

[DaSeba5]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9829550/lebron-james-gets-mixed-reviews-poll-peers

Thanks man. It's perception vs reality. Even the article said...

"According to ESPN Stats & Information, James actually is a better shooter from the field than Bryant on game-tying or go-ahead field goals in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime of postseason games. He checks in at 41.2 percent (7-for-17), while Bryant is at 25 percent (7-for-28). Jordan rules that stat, though, at 50 percent (9-for-18)."

[zoom17]

Thanks man. It's perception vs reality. Even the article said...

"According to ESPN Stats & Information, James actually is a better shooter from the field than Bryant on game-tying or go-ahead field goals in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime of postseason games. He checks in at 41.2 percent (7-for-17), while Bryant is at 25 percent (7-for-28). Jordan rules that stat, though, at 50 percent (9-for-18)."

Tell that to these mindless lebron haters :rockon:

[2LeTTeRS]

Why do yall keep responding to these threads? Been open 30 mins and already almost 30 replies; crazy.

[TylerOO]

He's the defending back-to-back champion right now. Nothing could get us mad

[aj1987]

Title thread should be changed: "Westbrick fan on suicide watch as Heat go for the 3peat".

[Dengness9]

He's the defending back-to-back champion right now. Nothing could get us mad


It's funny how you used "us"


you aren't a part of anything except the bandwagon all you homo's ride.

Location: NJ

[branslowski]

Game recongnize game. Nothing to see here.

Kobe only 12% though?..Kobe 2nd most gamewinners All-time with 28.

[NumberSix]

It's funny how you used "us"


you aren't a part of anything except the bandwagon all you homo's ride.

Location: NJ
Jersey > Chicago doe. Tell me I'm lying. :confusedshrug:

[Hoopz2332]

Thanks man. It's perception vs reality. Even the article said...

"According to ESPN Stats & Information, James actually is a better shooter from the field than Bryant on game-tying or go-ahead field goals in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime of postseason games. He checks in at 41.2 percent (7-for-17), while Bryant is at 25 percent (7-for-28). Jordan rules that stat, though, at 50 percent (9-for-18)."


ETHER:applause:

[lakerspng]

all these stats and polls are so lame.

if you want to see how a player finishes the game, watch the last 2 minutes... that will tell you more than the last possession.

and if you want to decide who you'd like to shoot the last shot, watch how players have responded and performed, don't read stats.

I would take either Jordan or Kobe over LeBron as well, not based on stats, but because I've seen both players come through so many times, I would never question handing them the ball. LeBron, I wouldn't trust in that situation, just by watching the way he plays. He's more of a game manager, much like Magic, who I also wouldn't take over Jordan or Kobe, and Magic's my favorite player of all time.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Who voted on this? Ignorant players? Or was it the ignorant GM's that said Billups was better than Melo with the game on the line?

All these polls prove is how ignorant people "in the know" actually are.
Not sure how the results of this poll are ignorant at all. I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable and unbiased NBA fan and I would take Jordan then Kobe then Lebron also for the final shot.

The poll should be 100% Jordan also. Everyone should take Jordan for the final shot, always.

[livinglegend]

So this is how you express the anger ( created by Lebron winning 2 straight championships) inside you? :oldlol:


It s kinda of of sad and funny, at the same time, weird.

[EllEffEll]

In the final minutes of a game, you want to have LeBron on your team more than you want to have most players commonly called 'clutch'. But for the final shot, you definitely trust a Dirk, Durant, or Melo before him (and Kobe, but for a different reason: Kobe is too predictable in those situations and thus easy to bait into a horrible shot, whereas LeBron's problem is that he doesn't look like he truly wants to take the shot)

+1

When Kobe is in the game and a final shot must be taken, you know that Kobe will be handling the ball, and 9 of 10 times, he will be jacking that shot up (for better or worse). You know who to double or triple team in that situation.

And, yes, Kobe has not been as clutch that past several years.

The players were polled. That doesn't make it a statistical fact that he would be the better choice, it just means that MJ and Kobe are the players that 26 other NBA players would choose to take the shot. It's not the entire league. It would be nice to know who exactly was polled too. It also doesn't have them say why they feel that way. Maybe it's because they know those two wouldn't shrink away from that role and they are OK with being the guy that wins or loses the game when it's on the line. It's just their opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. If they polled 26 other players, the results might be significantly different.

Statistics don't lie about what happened, but they don't always get interpreted properly because there are circumstances that simply can't be accounted for with a simple statistic.

Honestly, I won't be surprised to see LBJ try to be more like that than he has in the past. He's a two time champion and he doesn't need to prove he's a winner any longer. He just needs to go about the business of doing his best and letting the chips fall where they may. If he clanks a potential game winner, so f*****g what?

[SilkkTheShocker]

This OKC hick is still pissed about LeBron wiping his ass with his team in the Finals. :oldlol:

[LikeABosh]

Oh yes, the past 2 seasons have been so tough for Lebron fans. I mean forget the 2 championships, 2 finals MVPs, 2 regular season MVPs, countless other awards, leading his team on the 2nd longest winning streak in NBA history, and winning Olympic gold, this one poll ruins it all.

[LikeABosh]

I think you just mad cause the Heat back door swept the Thunders ass in the 2012 Finals and have beaten them 6 straight times

[russwest0]

It's funny how you used "us"


you aren't a part of anything except the bandwagon all you homo's ride.

Location: NJ

:lol :lol :lol

[DuMa]

its only 26 players they surveyed. and they were too scared to admit their names

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9830454/nba-players-want-michael-jordan-take-last-shot-not-lebron-james-espn-magazine

another fluff peice by ESPN to get attention imho.

[spacebump]

Perception vs reality


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:eek: :oldlol:

When are these pictures from?

[Solefade]

LeBron haters forever stay hating on 2011 with no regard to what happened the past two years lol

[Solefade]

its only 26 players they surveyed. and they were too scared to admit their names

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9830454/nba-players-want-michael-jordan-take-last-shot-not-lebron-james-espn-magazine

another fluff peice by ESPN to get attention imho.


Lol did a bunch of Kobe stans in the NBA vote on this? they actually listed Kobe as the one player they would have to defend LeBron lulz

[FPJ]

Its no secret some NBA players have a Rose IQ. Apparently 12% thought they were being asked who they wanted to take the last shot against their team.

[Solefade]

When are these pictures from?


That's straight from ESPN sportscenter or sportsnation

[ispin69]

Did OP make up that picture himself or something?
Who voted? Idiot delusional fans who hardly even watch?

:facepalm OP on suicide watch.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP will have nothing left to do but play with his banjo and f.uck the livestock once KD and Westbrook leave :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Did OP make up that picture himself or something?
Who voted? Idiot delusional fans who hardly even watch?

:facepalm OP on suicide watch.

LMAO. Try actual NBA players as opposed to you LeBron dick slobberers

[ispin69]

LMAO. Try actual NBA players as opposed to you LeBron dick slobberers

Again why were you scared to provide a link?
Some anonymous confidential survey by ESPN logic (same thing kobe f@gs were bitching about when Kobe is ranked 25th)


WHEN OUR Confidential team recently surveyed 26 NBA players, we promised them anonymity in exchange for their true feelings on King James. The conflicted responses we received are summarized by this Eastern Conference star: "I love LeBron; he's a nice guy and a great player. But I also get why people dislike him. He showed no loyalty to Cleveland, and The Decision was just a terrible idea. So, uh, I don't know what to think."

Seriously what does his loyalty and the decision have to do with him making the last shot? Nothing but BS and there are plenty of retard losers in the NBA that can't even crack the starting line up that could have answered this survey. The fact they they won't name these guys just shows you how retarded that picture and survey is.

Let the facts speak for themselves.
:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

Well at least 88 percent have the correct answer. 12% of the world has got to be retarded so that would explain why 12% got the wrong answer. Better poll would be straight up LeBron vs Kobe

[TheMarkMadsen]

LOL

ESPN ranks Kobe 25th best player Lebron fans be like "ESPN is legit"

ESPN ask actual NBA players who they'd want to take the last shot Lebron fans be like "Another ESPN propaganda piece"

:lol

[CavaliersFTW]

I bet Heat players didn't get to vote
Actually I bet Heat players know all-too-well how Lebron acts when the game is on the line and voted for Kobe :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

LOL

ESPN ranks Kobe 25th best player Lebron fans be like "ESPN is legit"

ESPN ask actual NBA players who they'd want to take the last shot Lebron fans be like "Another ESPN propaganda piece"

:lol
backpeddlers :roll:

[russwest0]

LOL

ESPN ranks Kobe 25th best player Lebron fans be like "ESPN is legit"

ESPN ask actual NBA players who they'd want to take the last shot Lebron fans be like "Another ESPN propaganda piece"

:lol

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[KyrieTheFuture]

LOL

ESPN ranks Kobe 25th best player Lebron fans be like "ESPN is legit"

ESPN ask actual NBA players who they'd want to take the last shot Lebron fans be like "Another ESPN propaganda piece"

:lol

Find me one person who legitimately thinks that those rankings are accurate. ESPN just wants free ad revenue which you idiots are gladly giving them.

[NumberSix]

LOL

ESPN ranks Kobe 25th best player Lebron fans be like "ESPN is legit"

ESPN ask actual NBA players who they'd want to take the last shot Lebron fans be like "Another ESPN propaganda piece"

:lol
When? :confusedshrug:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

All that shows is how overrated Kobe is.

[KyleKong]

Perception vs reality


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Numbers never lie.

[longtime lurker]

"That's like ranking the shortest giant. I'd want the ball in LeBron's hands at the end of the game, but I'd want him to pass to Kobe or Jordan for the last shot. And don't forget, LeBron is not a great free throw shooter either."

Ouch.

[branslowski]

Well at least 88 percent have the correct answer. 12% of the world has got to be retarded so that would explain why 12% got the wrong answer. Better poll would be straight up LeBron vs Kobe

Soo....because you agree with the 88% votes for Jordan, those players are smart, but since you disagree with the 12% Kobe got, those whole 12% is retarded?:coleman:

Seems legit.:rolleyes:

[branslowski]

Numbers never lie.

So those numbers don't lie, but the 12% number does lie? Seems legit.

[aj1987]

So those numbers don't lie, but the 12% number does lie? Seems legit.
The stats are FACTS. The 12% is OPINION.

[It's A VC3!!!]

I'll take VC over Kobe on last second shots any day. Quick, someone post me VC last second shot career statistics please.

[ZenMaster]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM

Don't matter who you are, if you don't make the pass to Haslem in that spot you're making a bad basketball play.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

So those numbers don't lie, but the 12% number does lie? Seems legit.
You've got to take into account all the obsessed Asian fanboys mate

[branslowski]

The stats are FACTS. The 12% is OPINION.

Last 24 sec in game tying or winning. Cool well searched out stat. Wat about last 23sec? Wat about last 5 sec? Wat about wen It's hot outside yet windy?

Wat about when ur team is down by 5, and Kobe hits 2 three's to take the lead and It's 2:15 left on the game clock and the opposing coach calls timeout. Shot basically breaking the other teams mental will and Lakers end up winning by 10?

Kobe's 17yr career killer instinct wasn't just magically created. Those who have watched games over the years have seen Kobe making multiple shots to put his team back in the game or ahead. People who watched the games have seen a team making a run at the Lakers and is only down by 3 with 46sec left only to see Kobe hit 2 back breaking jumpers to kill the other teams hope.

Killer Instinct can be shown (and has been shown) in more ways then final 24sec in post season in game tying or go ahead situations.

These numbers for a 17yr career doesn't change wat I've seen, GMs seen, coaches seen, and even fellow players seen from Kobe.

Posting nitpicked numbers won't change reality. Neither will anti Kobe posters behind a computer posting on a forum.

Not even trying to start another worthless argument thats been beat to death over the years and obviously still not changing anyone but those who hate Kobe minds.:confusedshrug:

[branslowski]

You've got to take into account all the obsessed Asian fanboys mate

Wat asian fanboys? The poll was voted on by his peers, actual NBA players. Not irrelevant Asian boys, irrelevant posters on a forum, or irrelevant groupie girls.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

NBA Players vote this way because Kobe has a more diversified offensive repertoire, and thats what matters at the end of the game.

A defense can throw a vast number of schemes at you, guys like Kobe and Melo have the tools to react to them all. LeBron doesnt

[G-Funk]

lol lebron stans r so butt hurt

[russwest0]

Don't matter who you are, if you don't make the pass to Haslem in that spot you're making a bad basketball play.

http://i.imgur.com/RJ8HKOD.gif

[aj1987]

Last 24 sec in game tying or winning. Cool well searched out stat. Wat about last 23sec? Wat about last 5 sec? Wat about wen It's hot outside yet windy?

Wat about when ur team is down by 5, and Kobe hits 2 three's to take the lead and It's 2:15 left on the game clock and the opposing coach calls timeout. Shot basically breaking the other teams mental will and Lakers end up winning by 10?

Kobe's 17yr career killer instinct wasn't just magically created. Those who have watched games over the years have seen Kobe making multiple shots to put his team back in the game or ahead. People who watched the games have seen a team making a run at the Lakers and is only down by 3 with 46sec left only to see Kobe hit 2 back breaking jumpers to kill the other teams hope.

Killer Instinct can be shown (and has been shown) in more ways then final 24sec in post season in game tying or go ahead situations.

These numbers for a 17yr career doesn't change wat I've seen, GMs seen, coaches seen, and even fellow players seen from Kobe.

Posting nitpicked numbers won't change reality. Neither will anti Kobe posters behind a computer posting on a forum.

Not even trying to start another worthless argument thats been beat to death over the years and obviously still not changing anyone but those who hate Kobe minds.:confusedshrug:
24 seconds is basically an entire possession. That's why they used it. 23, 5, 2:15, etc. are not.

I would take MJ over Lebron as well (who wouldn't?). Kobe and Lebron are a wash (a 5% edge to Kobe probably). People say that Kobe is a clutch god and what not, but they seem to forget that he's the one who usually goes 5-20 or 8-30 in the first 4 quarters to put his team in a situation, which requires a comeback. Kobe does have 28 or how many ever game winners, but on how many attempts? The notion that Lebron is not clutch is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. We've seen him hit ~20 game winners over his 10 year career. He even had a game winner in the playoffs last year and two super clutch shots in Games 6 & 7.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Wat asian fanboys? The poll was voted on by his peers, actual NBA players. Not irrelevant Asian boys, irrelevant posters on a forum, or irrelevant groupie girls.
Its morning where I am and I was skim reading over breakfast, I missed that bit.
Still them ****** do love them some mamba.
Edited so I can't put chi nks in

[Nash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p3xWG3mkXE

2 seconds enough?

Or game 7 in the NBA FINALS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C7FUAP9HA

[Doranku]

Why is anyone surprised by this? The only game winning "shots" that LeBron makes are layups where he travels. :confusedshrug:

[branslowski]

24 seconds is basically an entire possession. That's why they used it. 23, 5, 2:15, etc. are not.

I would take MJ over Lebron as well (who wouldn't?). Kobe and Lebron are a wash (a 5% edge to Kobe probably). People say that Kobe is a clutch god and what not, but they seem to forget that he's the one who usually goes 5-20 or 8-30 in the first 4 quarters to put his team in a situation, which requires a comeback. Kobe does have 28 or how many ever game winners, but on how many attempts? The notion that Lebron is not clutch is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. We've seen him hit ~20 game winners over his 10 year career. He even had a game winner in the playoffs last year and two super clutch shots in Games 6 & 7.

As a Laker fan who watches the games, yes Kobe has alot of bad shooting efforts, but all his "8-20" games doesnt come from him shooting LA out of games. There's tons of games where his teammates just show lack of will due to soft mentality. They get down by some points, thus Kobe trying to force shots to get us back in games.Thus those results.

When the whole team comes to play? You generally see a Laker blowout victory with Kobe's numbers being basically 10-17 for 27pts. I'll admit, some other games Lakers could be down 8, and Kobe hits 2 straight long jumpers, then he feels like he's hot and launches 4 consecutive bricks totally ignoring teammates. It happens, MJ has done this too.

But alot of his awful games comes from him trying to shoot LA back into games when his teammates clearly aren't giving the best effort. Perfecto example was that 39pt loss to Celtics in the Finals. Gasol and Bynum was punked right after the tip by KG and Leon Powe.

Basically, alot of context should be shown when discussing nitpicked numbers. Just like more goes into killer instinct than just nitpicked numbers show.

Again, the obvious world wide praise that Kobe gets from his peers isn't just some created BS, or a story they read from a book. They witnessed it like me.

Also, LeBron does not have 20 career gamewinners. I think It's closer to 12. But I'll concede this if you show me video footage. (Which he will have because he's LeBron and has a following and just like Kobe, every big thing he does gets placed on a media outlet)

[tpols]

24 seconds is basically an entire possession. That's why they used it. 23, 5, 2:15, etc. are not.

I would take MJ over Lebron as well (who wouldn't?). Kobe and Lebron are a wash (a 5% edge to Kobe probably). People say that Kobe is a clutch god and what not, but they seem to forget that he's the one who usually goes 5-20 or 8-30 in the first 4 quarters to put his team in a situation, which requires a comeback. Kobe does have 28 or how many ever game winners, but on how many attempts? The notion that Lebron is not clutch is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. We've seen him hit ~20 game winners over his 10 year career. He even had a game winner in the playoffs last year and two super clutch shots in Games 6 & 7.
Lebron as a clutch scorer has dropped signifigantly since he joined Miami.

08-09
Kobe: 57 pts on 46/42/92
Lebron: 56 pts on 56/42/85 :eek:

09-10
Kobe:51 pts on 44/36/82
Lebron: 66 pts on 48/32/80

10-11
Kobe: 50 pts on 40/35/85
Lebron: 45 pts on 43/23/84

11-12
Kobe: 36 pts on 32/21/80
Lebron: 33 pts on 38/27/67

12-13
Kobe: 53 pts on 43/36/84
Lebron: 39 pts on 44/28/76


Along with his GW percentage, ppg output and overall clutch efficiency dropping drastically from Cleveland to Miami.. Look at his 3 pt shooting..

From 42% and 32% shooting in CLE to 23% 27% and 28% in MIA. His jumper has become visibly shook ever since he mounted all that pressure upon himself. In CLE it was carefree clutch scoring dominance.. now it has dropped off.


And last year Kobe was better in the clutch than King James.. so players have it right here.

[aj1987]

Again, the obvious world wide praise that Kobe gets from his peers isn't just some created BS, or a story they read from a book. They witnessed it like me.
I never said Kobe isn't clutch. In fact I actually said that he might edge out Lebron slightly on the clutch factor. Comparing him to MJ is a bit ridiculous though.



Along with his GW percentage, ppg output and overall clutch efficiency dropping drastically from Cleveland to Miami.. Look at his 3 pt shooting..

From 42% and 32% shooting in CLE to 23% 27% and 28% in MIA. His jumper has become visibly shook ever since he mounted all that pressure upon himself. In CLE it was carefree clutch scoring dominance.. now it has dropped off.


And last year Kobe was better in the clutch than King James.. so players have it right here.
Can you post the number of shots he took? From the 2's and 3's? The GW% and PPG OP drop can be attributed to sharing the ball with Wade, Bosh, and Allen in clutch situations.

[Solefade]

Lebron as a clutch scorer has dropped signifigantly since he joined Miami.

08-09
Kobe: 57 pts on 46/42/92
Lebron: 56 pts on 56/42/85 :eek:

09-10
Kobe:51 pts on 44/36/82
Lebron: 66 pts on 48/32/80

10-11
Kobe: 50 pts on 40/35/85
Lebron: 45 pts on 43/23/84

11-12
Kobe: 36 pts on 32/21/80
Lebron: 33 pts on 38/27/67

12-13
Kobe: 53 pts on 43/36/84
Lebron: 39 pts on 44/28/76


Along with his GW percentage, ppg output and overall clutch efficiency dropping drastically from Cleveland to Miami.. Look at his 3 pt shooting..

From 42% and 32% shooting in CLE to 23% 27% and 28% in MIA. His jumper has become visibly shook ever since he mounted all that pressure upon himself. In CLE it was carefree clutch scoring dominance.. now it has dropped off.


And last year Kobe was better in the clutch than King James.. so players have it right here.

They also had more down to the wire games than the Heat did. Laker/Kobe fans also thought they were championship bound after beating the Raptors and NO Hornets in a down-to-the-wire game :roll:

[#number6ix#]

Same old shit just another day

[tpols]

They also had more down to the wire games than the Heat did. Laker/Kobe fans also thought they were championship bound after beating the Raptors and NO Hornets in a down-to-the-wire game :roll:
Lebron played 161 minutes of crunch time in 2012-2013.

Kobe played 140 minutes.


Try again troll.

http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM

[aj1987]

Lebron played 161 minutes of crunch time in 2012-2013.

Kobe played 140 minutes.


Try again troll.

http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM
Also, you're not looking at the rebounds, assists and TOV's columns.

[branslowski]

Also, you're not looking at the rebounds, assists and TOV's columns.

But neither was the posters who posted those last 24 sec on a rainy day worthless shot charts.

[tpols]

Also, you're not looking at the rebounds, assists and TOV's columns.
Threads about clutch scoring.. taking shots

[aj1987]

Threads about clutch scoring.. taking shots
My bad. Forgot.

[branslowski]

My bad. Forgot.

Yo aj, I'm gonna man up and apologize for coming at you all disrespectful the other day, I assumed u were like the other LeBron Heat trolls, but you aren't. Ur just a passionate slighty biased (arent we all lol) Heat/LeBron fan. But you also have respectable objective views.

So my bad bruh.:cheers:

[Solefade]

Yo aj, I'm gonna man up and apologize for coming at you all disrespectful the other day, I assumed u were like the other LeBron Heat trolls, but you aren't. Ur just a passionate slighty biased (arent we all lol) Heat/LeBron fan. But you also have respectable objective views.

So my bad bruh.:cheers:


gaaaaaayyyyyyyy

[branslowski]

gaaaaaayyyyyyyy

Yea, you must be a kid.

[Solefade]

Yea, you must be a kid.


you must be a fgt

[branslowski]

you must be a fgt

Yea...kid.

[PickernRoller]

As voted on by NBA players

http://i.imgur.com/bO71IFy.png

:lol :lol :lol :lol



Not surprised....:lol :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

[RoseCity07]

Reword it. Which of these players is most likely to need a game winning shot?

Lebron hit jumpers in the Finals to seal games vs the Spurs. Kobe shot 6-24 in game 7.

That poll means nothing. You do realize that a vote for Kobe means they chose him over MJ too, which to mean signifies those 10 percent are Kobe stans. The people that vote for MJ are saying they pick MJ over Kobe and Lebron.

This looks bad for both Kobe and Lebron if we're comparing both of them to MJ.

[chosen_one6]

As voted on by NBA players

http://i.imgur.com/bO71IFy.png

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:roll: :roll:

Only 26 NBA players were polled. 12% of 26 is roughly 3.

So 3 out of 26 would have Kobe take the last shot. Big whoop

[russwest0]

Only 26 NBA players were polled. 12% of 26 is roughly 3.

So 3 out of 26 would have Kobe take the last shot. Big whoop

Since you are so good at math what is the percentage of 0 out of 26?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :D

[chosen_one6]

Since you are so good at math what is the percentage of 0 out of 26?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :D

http://i.imgur.com/Y5UyDIB.gif

[red1]

looks about right

[no pun intended]

http://i.imgur.com/lhD7MMB.jpg

[russwest0]

http://i.imgur.com/Y5UyDIB.gif

**** u bitch ass ***** i **** u up on my life *****

[Trollsmasher]

This pool just shows how incredibly ignorant the NBA players are about own game.

Ok, I get you would take Kobe for the last shot - that is the greatest myth in the NBA history

- but you would take him to defend LeBron? He is the worst defensive SG in the league:lol Are they basing their opinions on the All Star game or what?:lol

Also:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWtZ1sQIEAAM38F.png:large

Regardless of the amount of time left, Kobe always comes out marginally worse than MJ or LeBron:roll:

[branslowski]

This pool just shows how incredibly ignorant the NBA players are about own game.

Ok, I get you would take Kobe for the last shot - that is the greatest myth in the NBA history

- but you would take him to defend LeBron? He is the worst defensive SG in the league:lol Are they basing their opinions on the All Star game or what?:lol


Regardless of the amount of time left, Kobe always comes out marginally worse than MJ or LeBron:roll:

Yes, lets all listen to ISH Kobe haters about the NBA over the players who recongnize game.:oldlol:

And about the defense. 9 All NBA Teams say otherwise, FACT. F*ck yo opinion.

[305Baller]

jordn ftw

[coin24]

No respect from his peers as usual, doesn't that tell u something??:lol
Poor bronzey..
And all the virgins rush on here to defend there idol:roll:

[Trollsmasher]

Yes, lets all listen to ISH Kobe haters about the NBA over the players who recongnize game.:oldlol:

And about the defense. 9 All NBA Teams say otherwise, FACT. F*ck yo opinion.
It's not some breaking news that the NBA players are pretty much ignorant about their own game.

Majority of them does not watch the games, 99% of them knows nothing about statistics. Kobe's myth is all about falsely created public perception.

And the all nba teams are supporting that, considering nobody who pays attention would vote for Kobe on more than 4 of them. Some of the blunders the coaches commit every year are just laughable.

[russwest0]

This pool just shows how incredibly ignorant the NBA players are about own game.

Ok, I get you would take Kobe for the last shot - that is the greatest myth in the NBA history

- but you would take him to defend LeBron? He is the worst defensive SG in the league:lol Are they basing their opinions on the All Star game or what?:lol

Also:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWtZ1sQIEAAM38F.png:large

Regardless of the amount of time left, Kobe always comes out marginally worse than MJ or LeBron:roll:

That awkward moment when only 1 of those 6 for LeBron was an actual "shot" and the rest were layups.

[russwest0]

No respect from his peers as usual, doesn't that tell u something??:lol
Poor bronzey..
And all the virgins rush on here to defend there idol:roll:

:lol

Sad aint it?

[russwest0]

LeDickslobberers be like: LeGoat!

http://i.imgur.com/u84cE1Q.jpg

[Trollsmasher]

That awkward moment when only 1 of those 6 for LeBron was an actual "shot" and the rest were layups.
Oh, I forgot that we are talking about basketball, that game where effective shots are worthless.

My bad:facepalm


































Oh, wait:roll: :roll:

[branslowski]

http://i.imgur.com/lhD7MMB.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: Thread bookmarked

[russwest0]

Oh, I forgot that we are talking about basketball, that game where effective shots are worthless.

My bad:facepalm

What do all clutch players have in common.

Hint: It's a mid range shot.

You can take away the 3 if you want or you can pack the paint to stop a layup but you can't take away the mid range shot.

Like 4 of these LeBron baskets they are counting as clutch shots were easy layups vs the Pistons and Wizards. And then the layup vs the Pacers last year.

The only actual "shot" is the one he had vs the Magic way back when.

Using these stats to determine clutch is retarded. It's the equivalent of calling Tony Romo clutch based off of his clutch stats.

[ripthekik]

As voted on by NBA players

http://i.imgur.com/bO71IFy.png

omfg i am choking
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

What do all clutch players have in common.

Hint: It's a mid range shot.

You can take away the 3 if you want or you can pack the paint to stop a layup but you can't take away the mid range shot.

Like 4 of these LeBron baskets they are counting as clutch shots were easy layups vs the Pistons and Wizards. And then the layup vs the Pacers last year.

The only actual "shot" is the one he had vs the Magic way back when.

Using these stats to determine clutch is retarded. It's the equivalent of calling Tony Romo clutch based off of his clutch stats.
Once again I ask: Are clutch layups worth less than clutch midrange Js?

And based on the amount of them, it's obvious you can't stop LeBron from getting layups:lol

[branslowski]

It's not some breaking news that the NBA players are pretty much ignorant about their own game.

Majority of them does not watch the games, 99% of them knows nothing about statistics. Kobe's myth is all about falsely created public perception.

And the all nba teams are supporting that, considering nobody who pays attention would vote for Kobe on more than 4 of them. Some of the blunders the coaches commit every year are just laughable.

Yea, It's no way the NBA players could of just watched him...:rolleyes:

Also, Nike prob just created Kobe and implanted myths within NBA players and fans heads.:oldlol:

Keep reachin cause u mad.:roll:

[russwest0]

Once again I ask: Are clutch layups worth less than clutch midrange Js?

And based on the amount of them, it's obvious you can't stop LeBron from getting layups:lol

So he's gotten 5 clutch layups in what, 8-9 years and now you can't stop him from getting them? Also, like 4 of those layups were easy ass ones that anyone would have gotten. Also, did you watch the Mavs series?

I also like how they don't include Durant in that final 24 seconds, playoff, game tying or winning shot category. He'd rape them all

[Trollsmasher]

So he's gotten 5 clutch layups in what, 8-9 years and now you can't stop him from getting them? Also, like 4 of those layups were easy ass ones that anyone would have gotten. Also, did you watch the Mavs series?

I also like how they don't include Durant in that final 24 seconds, playoff, game tying or winning shot category. He'd rape them all
And Jordan has some 7 clutch midrange Js in his whole career? What exactly is more unstoppable about that? He also played 40 more games than LeBron.

Also Durant is 2 of 9 with 10 seconds left and 5 of 12 with 24 seconds left.

[russwest0]

And Jordan has some 7 clutch midrange Js in his whole career? What exactly is more unstoppable about that? He also played 40 more games than LeBron.

You are literally too stupid to insult

[Trollsmasher]

You are literally too stupid to insult
Damn, that's an argument worthy of remembering:lol

Once again a LeBron hater running away from the power of an empirical evidence.

[russwest0]

Damn, that's an argument worthy of remembering:lol

Once again a LeBron hater running away from the power of an empirical evidence.

Empirical evidence?

You mean like how Dirk and LeBron weren't closing the same way in 2011?

You mean like how NO actual NBA players are taking LeBron for a last second shot?

Nah, but these LeBron dickriders surely know what they are talking about. You kiddo's must have forgotten that LeBron has had 3 shit finals series so far

[ripthekik]

Empirical evidence?

You mean like how Dirk and LeBron weren't closing the same way in 2011?

You mean like how NO actual NBA players are taking LeBron for a last second shot?

Nah, but these LeBron dickriders surely know what they are talking about. You kiddo's must have forgotten that LeBron has had 3 shit finals series so far
omg you are annihilating these lebron fools :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:applause: :applause:

[ripthekik]

NEW YORK -- LeBron James was dismissive Wednesday about a poll in this week's ESPN the Magazine where 26 of his NBA peers said they wouldn't want him taking the final shot in a game where Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were also on the floor.

"Players in our league said that? All right," James said after the Miami Heat went through a workout in New York City before their exhibition game Thursday in Brooklyn.

dude is hurt :cry:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

dude is hurt :cry:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
What should he say?

"Well, they are all totally illirerate idiots, because this statsheet here clearly says that Kobe completly sucks."

?

[russwest0]

What should he say?

"Well, they are all totally illirerate idiots, because this statsheet here clearly says that Kobe completly sucks."

?

STATSHEET GOAT

http://i.imgur.com/u84cE1Q.jpg

[Trollsmasher]

STATSHEET GOAT

http://i.imgur.com/u84cE1Q.jpg
You may have not noticed, but this game is about statistics:cheers:

[ripthekik]

Still, it seems that despite winning the past two Finals MVP Awards, James has a way to go to earn respect among some peers.

"I'd want the ball in LeBron's hands at the end of the game, but I'd want him to pass to Kobe or Jordan for the last shot," an Eastern Conference guard told ESPN the Magazine. "And don't forget, LeBron is not a great free throw shooter, either."

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[russwest0]

You may have not noticed, but this game is about statistics:cheers:

LeBitch being a blackhole for stats is why us real basketball fans (AKA not bandwagoning dickriders) had to suffer sitting through watching this ***** LeBron choke in 2011 and nearly do the exact same thing in 2013 with the same result of losing in 6 games if it weren't for Ray Allen saving his ass.

[russwest0]

NBA GM Survey

46.7% say they want Kevin Durant taking the last shot with the game on the line

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 46.7%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 40.0%
3. Carmelo Anthony, New York -- 6.7%

Funny, I don't see LeFlop on that list

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[pauk]

Why is it always Jordan, Kobe & Lebron in these clutch talks? I would take for example Bird or Reggie all day when it comes down to the last shot... you would be lying to yourself if you think any of those three would outshoot Bird from anywhere & any situation especially in clutch time....

Today i would go with Ray Allen or Durant... because at the end of the day its as simple as who is the most accurate shooter....

[Droid101]

Call me up when LeBitch does this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEgFnNwPzY
Oh my ****ing god. This is some godly ass shit right here.

:wtf: :wtf: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[poido123]

Oh my ****ing god. This is some godly ass shit right here.

:wtf: :wtf: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


Nice video, Kobe can be so fun to watch. That was an awesome scoring run by Kobe :applause:

[chazzy]

All this bickering for nothing. And so many conclusions being made off of tiny sample sizes spanning over more than a decade. Neither Kobe nor Lebron are great at game winners %-wise

Kobe career regular season: 46/145 = 31.7%
Lebron career regular season: 26/89 = 29%

Combined playoffs/reg season Kobe: 30.8%
Combined playoffs/reg season Lebron: 31.1%

There's so much variance with these stats. Majority of people think Miami Lebron is his best version but he's 6/22 since joining the Heat.. what does that mean?

[aj1987]

Holy shit! russwest0 is having an epic meltdown! I'm pretty sure about 95% of his posts are about Lebron. Dude, you need to chill out. Even IF Lebron isn't clutch according to you, he's still a 4x MVP, 2x Champ, and 2x FMVP and makes more in a month, than you will in your lifetime (considering your intelligence, you must be either a burger flipper or a shopping cart pusher). Whether you like it or not, he has a chance of ending up as a top 5 GOAT.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/419529/lebron-james-dancing-o.gif
http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iM0ZAx7ZydNC3.gif

[Nash]

so many red bars arguing with a bunch of smiley faces. I think its time for the mods to hand out some bans.

[wfb]

Bait threads are really the worst, holy crap.

[sportjames23]

This thread delivers. :oldlol:

[#number6ix#]

Damn it's a lot of dicksucking going on in this thread

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron fans are definitely on suicide watch after back to back MVPs and NBA championships :oldlol: Being a LeBron hater right now has to be pretty tough right now. Being a LeBron hater living in s.hitholes like OKC, has to be a lot tougher. When the OP gets done feeling up his sister and tuning his banjo, he will come back here to spew more garbage.

[plowking]

Wait, this was based on only 30 players? Meh.

[branslowski]

NBA GM Survey

46.7% say they want Kevin Durant taking the last shot with the game on the line

1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 46.7%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 40.0%
3. Carmelo Anthony, New York -- 6.7%

Funny, I don't see LeFlop on that list

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:roll:

[PickernRoller]

Lebron stans in denial. Call me up when something new comes up.

[KyleKong]

Lebron stans in denial. Call me up when something new comes up.

Like Kobe's FG%? :lol

[branslowski]

This thread delivers. :oldlol:

It's a truthful thread. But havent learned anything new that I (and objective non trolls) didn't already know.

I actually don't fully agree with the "flopper" thing. CP3 is by far the worst.

[branslowski]

Like Kobe's FG%? :lol

:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Perception vs reality


http://i.imgur.com/yBmbxt7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HiOKn4V.png

http://i.imgur.com/mKZeTh2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qcQbOuC.jpg

:eek: :oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol: