Robbed MVPs?

[NumberSix]

I know what youre thinking. No this isn't a "Troll Rose" thread, let's lets not even talk about 2011. That's not my intention.


Now, which players do you think had MVP seasons that they didn't get the award? Lots of people say Jordan got robbed multiple times and some people say Nash wasn't really deserving....

What are some opinions. I guess you could throw in FMVPs if you want.



I'd say, KG should have got the 2008 FMVP.

[3peated]

howard got screwed in 2011 bro, that was his year.

[KyleKong]

Chris Paul in 2008, but not upset it was given to Kobe.

Dwight Howard in 2011

Shaq could have gotten easily 5 MVP awards if he didn't wait to rehab his injuries during the season because he said, "I got injured on company time, I'm going to rehab on company time."

[CeltsGarlic]

Peja 03-04

[NumberSix]

I personally think Magic is holding one of Jordan's MVPs.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq 2001. Kobe is fine for 2008 although cp3 and kg have good cases as well. Also thouhht dwight deserved it in 2011 but Rose wasn't a terrible pick.

[ballinhun8]

Has this topic not been done about a thousand times??

[aj1987]

Peja 03-04
You're joking, right?
Peja: 24/6/3/1 on 48/43/93 (Kings 55-27)
KG: 24/14/5/2/2 on 50/25/79 (T-Wolves 58-24)

[CeltsGarlic]

You're joking, right?
Peja: 24/6/3/1 on 48/43/93 (Kings 55-27)
KG: 24/14/5/2/2 on 50/25/79 (T-Wolves 58-24)

Obviously yes. I could name at least 5 guys who deserved it more than Peja, but thats just my appropriation to a great player. Awesome season for him too.
Not many know that he had those stats.

[Fresh Kid]

06- kobe
10- kobe
12- durant
13- melo

[aj1987]

Obviously yes. I could name at least 5 guys who deserved it more than Peja, but thats just my appropriation to a great player. Awesome season for him too.
Not many know that he had those stats.
Gotcha. But this thread is about players who were robbed of MVP's. If there are 5 players more deserving than him, he wasn't robbed.

Start a Peja appreciation thread, btw. I don't think there's one on ISH.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Dwight Howard or Lebron hell I'd even go as far as to say Kobe Bean in 2011.

[KyleKong]

13- melo

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6js93gNdn1rncagco1_400.gif

[FreezingTsmoove]

Basically anyone but Rose in 2011. Good topic OP

[kennethgriffin]

1998 - malone
1999 - shaq
2001 - shaq
2005 - shaq
2006 - kobe
2007 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2011 - dwight

[KyleKong]

1998 - malone
1999 - shaq
2001 - shaq
2005 - shaq
2006 - kobe
2007 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2011 - dwight

07 Kobe. Really? A case could be made in 2009 but LeBron was LeBroning.

[NumberSix]

1998 - malone
1999 - shaq
2001 - shaq
2005 - shaq
2006 - kobe
2007 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2011 - dwight
Although this is obviously a blatant troll post, there's some truth. However. The opposite is also true. Malone received one of Jordan's MVPs and Jordan received one of Malones. It evens out.

[DaSeba5]

I was always disappointed that Wade never got to win a MVP.

[NumberSix]

I was always disappointed that Wade never got to win a MVP.
I could see an argument for giving him the 2009 MVP.

[KyleKong]

I was always disappointed that Wade never got to win a MVP.

http://www.nba.com/media/Wade_pg_060621.jpg

He's fine with this one probably.

[DaSeba5]

http://www.nba.com/media/Wade_pg_060621.jpg

He's fine with this one probably.

As am I :D

[NumberSix]

http://www.nba.com/media/Wade_pg_060621.jpg

He's fine with this one probably.
3-Wade.

[bdreason]

Wasn't a robbery, but I wanted Kidd to win it over Duncan.

[Myth]

2001 Shaq
2005 Shaq
2006 Dirk or Kobe (rare year where I could have accepted a non-top seeded team to have an MVP)
1999 Duncan

[Mr Exlax]

howard got screwed in 2011 bro, that was his year.

This. I don't care about anybody else or any other year lol.

[aj1987]

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ
97 - MJ
2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Shaq
2k6 - Kobe
2k7 - Kobe
2k8 - CP3
2k9 - Wade
Malone definitely deserved it that year. He had better stats than MJ on a 64 win team. MJ was ridiculous that year though (considering his age)

2007 Lakers won 42 games. I don't think he would've won it if he averaged 40.

'89 MJ? '98 Shaq?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Based off regular season individual performance, purely ... not team record, taking into account QUALITY of teammates next to them, which affects how a star player can win games?

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ

97 - MJ @ 34 dropping 30 ppg on a 69 win team, following a 72 win season ... no way Karl deserved it. It took voter fatigue and the first ever player campaigning himself for him to get the award.

2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Shaq
2k6 - Kobe
2k7 - Kobe
2k8 - CP3
2k9 - Wade

If playoffs are included?

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ
97 - MJ
2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Wade
2k6 - Wade
2k7 - Duncan
2k8 - Kobe
2k9 - LeBron
2k10 - Kobe
2k11 - Dirk

It all balances itself out, but I feel either of these options is more accurate. Wade deserved an MVP or two, Kobe deserved two or three MVP, Shaq deserved more ... obviously. Nash deserved none, Dirk should have like one of them (but not his atrocious 2007 playoff showing), Duncan could use one more, LeBron one or two less ... and MJ should've been pushing near 9 MVPs.

Better representation of dominance.

CP3's regular season was more impressive than Kobe's. But Kobe took his team to another level in the playoffs. I have always felt MVPs should be awarded after the season. That way we don't have embarrassing Dirk 2007 situations.

[DaSeba5]

I thought Wade should have won in 09, but they picked LeBron over him because of the team's record. Same reason why they picked Rose over LeBron and Howard in 2011.

[Dengness9]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1431019-is-chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-validating-his-mvp-by-not-even-playing

[aj1987]

Based off regular season individual performance, purely ... not team record, taking into account QUALITY of teammates next to them, which affects how a star player can win games?

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ

97 - MJ @ 34 dropping 30 ppg on a 69 win team, following a 72 win season ... no way Karl deserved it. It took voter fatigue and the first ever player campaigning himself for him to get the award.

2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Shaq
2k6 - Kobe
2k7 - Kobe
2k8 - CP3
2k9 - Wade

If playoffs are included?

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ
97 - MJ
2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Wade
2k6 - Wade
2k7 - Duncan
2k8 - Kobe
2k9 - LeBron
2k10 - Kobe
2k11 - Dirk

It all balances itself out, but I feel either of these options is more accurate. Wade deserved an MVP or two, Kobe deserved two or three MVP, Shaq deserved more ... obviously. Nash deserved none, Dirk should have like one of them (but not his atrocious 2007 playoff showing), Duncan could use one more, LeBron one or two less ... and MJ should've been pushing near 9 MVPs.

Better representation of dominance.

CP3's regular season was more impressive than Kobe's. But Kobe took his team to another level in the playoffs. I have always felt MVPs should be awarded after the season. That way we don't have embarrassing Dirk 2007 situations.
Good post. Can't argue with much. What about '98 Shaq?

[Psileas]

1989 MVP is Magic and rightfully so: He led the Lakers to the #2 seed in the whole league. Jordan led the Bulls to the 6th seen in the East alone, with a worse record than in the previous season (and winning an MVP while having won only 50 games is tough by itself). Not to mention that he bumped his rebounding and passing averages with that triple-double streak, which was impressive, but didn't amount to a good team record. And it's not as if Magic didn't have an extraordinary statistical season as well (close to 23/8/13/2).

[SamuraiSWISH]

Good post. Can't argue with much. What about '98 Shaq?
'98 Shaq comes in 2nd place. MJ did more with less ... @ 35 years old no less. MJ sodomized the Jazz that kicked the shit out of Shaq's '98 Lakers. Playoff confirmation that he wasn't the true MVP.

[aj1987]

'98 Shaq comes in 2nd place. MJ did more with less ... @ 35 years old no less. MJ sodomized the Jazz that kicked the shit out of Shaq's '98 Lakers. Playoff confirmation that he wasn't the true MVP.
If you look at just the regular season (on which the MVP is based on), Shaq had better stats and Kobe was a bench player.

[97 bulls]

I feel Scottie Pippen deserved the MVP in 94. As well as DPOY in 95.

I think the only thing holding him back was missing ten games. He was more important to the Bulls than Olajuwan to the Rockets.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If you look at just the regular season (on which the MVP is based on), Shaq had better stats and Kobe was a bench player.
Kobe was an all-star though. Shaq had a stacked roster. Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Elden Campbell, Kobe?

Pre-season predictions that season had them advancing to the Finals. Shaq's lazy ass as usual couldn't get it done with the tools he was given. He didn't deserve the MVP.

Shaq's rebound numbers aren't more impressive than MJ @ 35 with a phucked up wrist leading a Pippen less Bulls for over half a season with Jason Caffey, Scott Burrell, and Toni Kukoc as his best and most consistent supporting players ... winning another 60+ games.

C'mon dude.

:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

If you look at just the regular season (on which the MVP is based on), Shaq had better stats and Kobe was a bench player.
Exactly. Kobe was #2 in the 6th man race that season.

[NumberSix]

Kobe was an all-star though. Shaq had a stacked roster. Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Elden Campbell, Kobe?

Pre-season predictions that season had them advancing to the Finals. Shaq's lazy ass as usual couldn't get it done with the tools he was given. He didn't deserve the MVP.

Shaq's rebound numbers aren't more impressive than MJ @ 35 with a phucked up wrist leading a Pippen less Bulls for over half a season with Jason Caffey, Scott Burrell, and Toni Kukoc as his best and most consistent supporting players ... winning another 60+ games.

C'mon dude.

:oldlol:to be fair though, we don't award extra points for age.

[SamuraiSWISH]

to be fair though, we don't award extra points for age.
No, context matters. Mentioning MJ's age and the fact he still outperformed Shaq is just icing on his deserved '98 MVP cake. Shaq's a lazy bum. He's been motivated for a whopping 3 seasons in his entire career.

[NumberSix]

No, context matters. Mentioning MJ's age and the fact he still outperformed Shaq is just icing on his deserved '98 MVP cake. Shaq's a lazy bum. He's been motivated for a whopping 3 seasons in his entire career.
I personally don't care how old anyone is. Either you played the best that season or you didn't. Things like size, age, personality don't factor in IMO.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I personally don't care how old anyone is. Either you played the best that season or you didn't. Things like size, age, personality don't factor in IMO.
Forget 35 years old.

MJ was the best player in the 1998 season.

[Iceman#44]

1961-1962 wilt chamberlain 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rbs, 100 points game and they give the mvp to russell...wtf:facepalm :facepalm

[aj1987]

Kobe was an all-star though. Shaq had a stacked roster. Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Elden Campbell, Kobe?

Pre-season predictions that season had them advancing to the Finals. Shaq's lazy ass as usual couldn't get it done with the tools he was given. He didn't deserve the MVP.

Shaq's rebound numbers aren't more impressive than MJ @ 35 with a phucked up wrist leading a Pippen less Bulls for over half a season with Jason Caffey, Scott Burrell, and Toni Kukoc as his best and most consistent supporting players ... winning another 60+ games.

C'mon dude.

:oldlol:
Once again you're bringing up the playoffs. Playoffs do NOT matter, when it comes to the MVP voting. I know you ride MJ, but you mention Burrell and Kukoc, but not the rebounding title winner Rodman?

The Lakers weren't "stacked"

EDIT: Nevermind. Totally forgot that Shaq was injured for about a quarter of the seasons. He would've won it otherwise.

[SamuraiSWISH]

EDIT: Nevermind. Totally forgot that Shaq was injured for about a quarter of the seasons. He would've won it otherwise.
So you don't think MJ deserved the '89, '90, '93, '97 OR '98 MVP?

:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

So you don't think MJ deserved the '89, '90, '93, '97 OR '98 MVP?

:oldlol:
I think Jordan probably deserved around 7 MVPs.

[fpliii]

So you don't think MJ deserved the '89, '90, '93, '97 OR '98 MVP?

:oldlol:

I'd go

89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan, Magic or Barkley
93 - Hakeem
97 - Jordan
98 - Shaq

[aj1987]

So you don't think MJ deserved the '89, '90, '93, '97 OR '98 MVP?

:oldlol:
Just the '98 one, IF Shaq was healthy. He was robbed a couple of times. I did say MJ deserved it in '89, '90, and '93. '97, I'm a bit on the wall. '98, he deserved it because Shaq wasn't healthy. So, he was "robbed" of 3 MVP's.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Just the '98 one, IF Shaq was healthy. He was robbed a couple of times. I did say MJ deserved it in '89, '90, and '93. '97, I'm a bit on the wall. '98, he deserved it because Shaq wasn't healthy. So, he was "robbed" of 3 MVP's.
I can jive with that ...

IMO, MJ should have between 7 - 9 MVPs

Shaq should have 3, maybe 4 MVPs

Kobe should have 2, maybe 3 MVPs

Wade should have a MVP

LeBron should be at 3 MVPs

[97 bulls]

I can jive with that ...

IMO, MJ should have between 7 - 9 MVPs

Shaq should have 3, maybe 4 MVPs

Kobe should have 2, maybe 3 MVPs

Wade should have a MVP

LeBron should be at 3 MVPs
What year did Wade deserve the MVP?

[fpliii]

What year did Wade deserve the MVP?

06, 09, 10, 11 were all MVP-caliber years.

[#number6ix#]

What year did Wade deserve the MVP?
09

[ProfessorMurder]

I think KG deserved 2008.

[NumberSix]

09
you could make a case for 09. I definitely wouldn't say he outright deserved it though. All things being relatively equal, team record gives LeBron the nod as a tie breaker.

[jlip]

1989 MVP is Magic and rightfully so: He led the Lakers to the #2 seed in the whole league. Jordan led the Bulls to the 6th seen in the East alone, with a worse record than in the previous season (and winning an MVP while having won only 50 games is tough by itself). Not to mention that he bumped his rebounding and passing averages with that triple-double streak, which was impressive, but didn't amount to a good team record. And it's not as if Magic didn't have an extraordinary statistical season as well (close to 23/8/13/2).

This

[PJR]

Shaq was robbed in 2001 and 2005 to little guards, due to feel good narratives propelling them.

[HurricaneKid]

I'd go

89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan, Magic or Barkley
93 - Hakeem
97 - Jordan
98 - Shaq

98 Shaq missed 22 games. Sorry, thats too much. K Malone would be a fine choice this year too, though I loathe few people more than him. Missing so many games year in and year out is why Shaq didn't win more MVPs.

93 - I can see Dream. He won DPoY and was very good offensively as well. I still go MJ.

90 - MJ robbed. This was WASN'T that close.

[Fresh Kid]

09
:roll:

[Myth]

If playoffs are included?

89 - MJ
90 - MJ
93 - MJ
97 - MJ
2k2 - Shaq
2k5 - Wade
2k6 - Wade
2k7 - Duncan
2k8 - Kobe
2k9 - LeBron
2k10 - Kobe
2k11 - Dirk

If playoffs are included, Duncan would also get it in 1999. I thought Duncan should have had it in regular season alone, but that is debatable. But if you include playoffs, the Jazz were beat in the 2nd round by Portland in 6, while the Spurs swept Portland and won the championship. Duncan also put up better stats and was simply more efficient than Malone.

[fpliii]

98 Shaq missed 22 games. Sorry, thats too much. K Malone would be a fine choice this year too, though I loathe few people more than him. Missing so many games year in and year out is why Shaq didn't win more MVPs.

93 - I can see Dream. He won DPoY and was very good offensively as well. I still go MJ.

90 - MJ robbed. This was WASN'T that close.

1) That's probably true, but he was definitely the best player in the league that year.
2) Eh, disagree. I think he's my pick, but it's pretty close. Barkley was incredible offensively/rebounding (I mentioned Magic since it was perhaps his best season, though most go with 87, but I think he's definitely the third best of the three).

[kidd2dwill]

Jason Kidd- 2002
little biased but i think so.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq was robbed in 2001 and 2005 to little guards, due to feel good narratives propelling them.

I don't know about 2005. Shaq definitely had a case for MVP, but so did Nash given the Suns' turn-around.

In 2006, I would have either given it to LeBron or Kobe.

[Fresh Kid]

06, 09, 10, 11 were all MVP-caliber years.
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m46u60yVCa1rty0sjo1_400.gif

[KyleKong]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m46u60yVCa1rty0sjo1_400.gif

You're an idiot.

[Fresh Kid]

Jason Kidd- 2002
little biased but i think so.
:facepalm http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51b9d468eab8eaa356000032-480/jason-kidd.jpg

[TheReal Kendall]

I will never understand how you guys can talk about the same topic over and over and over and over again and again.

This has been talked about to death.

[Fresh Kid]

You're an idiot.
you know im right:lol

[fpliii]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gifhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m46u60yVCa1rty0sjo1_400.gif
Did I stutter? I didn't say he should win each season, just that they were all MVP-caliber years.

[kidd2dwill]

:facepalm http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51b9d468eab8eaa356000032-480/jason-kidd.jpg

haha you are so angry he left knicks for nets. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

06, 09, 10, 11 were all MVP-caliber years.
MVP caliber and deserved the MVP are two different things.

In my opinion, the MVP is awarded based on stats, team succes, and circumstances. Wade never really fit all three criteria at one time.

[Fresh Kid]

In 2006, I would have either given it to LeBron or Kobe.
u said lebron:oldlol: http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/29302-2/Kobe+Bryant+has+a+laugh+at+the+bench.jpghttp://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.3459762.1326851053!/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.JPG

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dude lead a pretty mediocre cast to the playoffs that year. Averaged 31+ a game too.

[97 bulls]

Dude lead a pretty mediocre cast to the playoffs that year. Averaged 31+ a game too.
Who are you referring to?

[Round Mound]

1989-90 Charles Barkley :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who are you referring to?

LeBron. My post was directed at Fresh Kid.

I just wouldn't have given the MVP to Nash in 2006. No way.

[Fresh Kid]

haha you are so angry he left knicks for nets. :oldlol:
damn, my bad I really forgot that kidd didnt win 2002 mvp, i didnt know how I forgot that one:facepalm .................o well:lol

[Fresh Kid]

1989-90 Charles Barkley :facepalm
here we go.

[branslowski]

I think KG deserved 2008.

:oldlol:

Kobe- 28.3ppg 6.3reb 5.4ast 57.6ts%

KG- 18.8ppg 9.2reb 3.4ast 58.8ts%

Way more offensive responsibility and effectiveness. Playmaker and scorer for his team by a long shot. CP3 has more of a case than KG. Pau Gasol was arguably on the level of THAT KG in 07-08 and he wasn't even close for MVP.

Player Of The Months:

Kobe 2
Paul 2
LeBron 2

KG 0

[fpliii]

:oldlol:

Kobe- 28.3ppg 6.3reb 5.4ast 57.6ts%

KG- 18.8ppg 9.2reb 3.4ast 58.8ts%

Way more offensive responsibility and effectiveness. Playmaker and scorer for his team by a long shot. CP3 has more of a case than KG. Pau Gasol was arguably on the level of THAT KG in 07-08 and he wasn't even close for MVP.

Player Of The Months:

Kobe 2
Paul 2
LeBron 2

KG 0

No. Just. Stop.

I'm a Lakers fan, but KG was MILES better than Pau. Best defender in the league isn't captured by PPG/RPG/APG and TS%. One of the best players in the league that season (as he had been for years before). I think I'd give MVP to Kobe but KG was right there with him and CP3 for top 3 in the game that year. End of discussion my man.

[ProfessorMurder]

No. Just. Stop.

I'm a Lakers fan, but KG was MILES better than Pau. Best defender in the league isn't captured by PPG/RPG/APG and TS%. One of the best players in the league that season (as he had been for years before). I think I'd give MVP to Kobe but KG was right there with him and CP3 for top 3 in the game that year. End of discussion my man.

+ The fact that KG was the best player on the best team in the league, changed the Celtics culture back to a winning one, led the biggest win-loss turnaround ever, was the best defender, etc.

[joeyjoejoe]

Cp3 2008 great stats and team record, as far as narrative goes first year he plays allstar level his team becomes a threat, 2nd in per for the year and a top 50 per seaon ever while also being the only pg in that 50, lead league in steals, assists, off win shares and win shares which were both also top 50 all-time

[Kurosawa0]

Malone over MJ in 1997 is the tops for me. The Bulls even had the better record that year.

Kobe should've won it in 2006 over Steve Nash.

Kobe's win in 2008 was weak, but I guess there wasn't really another top contender. KG didn't stand out enough over Paul Pierce in Boston. Chris Paul and LeBron weren't quite there yet.

[TheBigVeto]

FMVP
1980 - Kareem
1981 - Bird
2006 - Refs
2007 - Duncan
2009 - Gasol
2010 - Gasol

MVP
2008 - KG

[SamuraiSWISH]

FMVP
1980 - Kareem
1981 - Bird
2006 - Refs
2007 - Duncan
2009 - Gasol
2010 - Gasol

MVP
2008 - KG
100% Full Retard Mode: Engaged

[yobore]

Kobe's win in 2008 was weak, but I guess there wasn't really another top contender. KG didn't stand out enough over Paul Pierce in Boston. Chris Paul and LeBron weren't quite there yet.
That's absurd, Paul had the highest PER ever for a PG (til he beat it the next year) while leading his team above expectations to 1 game out from the first seed. That's easily a "top contender" any season, much moreso than Kobe's season if they were in a vacuum

[Kurosawa0]

That's absurd, Paul had the highest PER ever for a PG (til he beat it the next year) while leading his team above expectations to 1 game out from the first seed. That's easily a "top contender" any season, much moreso than Kobe's season if they were in a vacuum

They weren't giving a young guy like Paul (at the time) that award over Kobe. Its why LeBron didn't get it in 2006 when you could've argued his case over Nash.

[Harison]

Jordan and especially Shaq comes first to mind. MJ is understandable due to voters fatigue, but Shaq only winning one MVP is ridiculous.

FMVP were robbed from Duncan and KG, arguably from Bird too.



Kobe- 28.3ppg 6.3reb 5.4ast 57.6ts%

KG- 18.8ppg 9.2reb 3.4ast 58.8ts%

Way more offensive responsibility and effectiveness. Playmaker and scorer for his team by a long shot.

Kobe definitely had more offensive responsibility, but KG had way more defensive responsibilities on the best NBA team, anchoring one of the best defenses of All-time. Celtics didnt win because of offense, they won because of D, and still KG was the leading scorer in those Playoffs.

Or lets put it this way - KG on the bench meant Celtics were allowing 33 points more, now thats insane defensive impact. Add to that KG also can score well (was the best scorer, and by far the best clutch closer on '08 Championship team in the Playoffs), one of the best passing bigs of All-time, etc. and its quite understandable why he had a case. Scoring isnt everything, sometimes fans lose perspective of that.

[secund2nun]

Shaq 01
CP3 08
Lebron/Howard 11

[HorryIsMyMVP]

When Dirk won the MVP Nash deserved it.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Jason Kidd- 2002
little biased but i think so.

Duncan was averaging 25 points 12 rebounds a game while leading his teams to more wins then Kidd's in a tougher conference. Duncan deserved that MVP

[Indian guy]

In the last 30 years, the only one that sticks out is Malone over MJ in '97. Statistically they were a wash, but MJ led his team to 5 more wins. You never see a player with equivalent numbers and more wins lose the MVP.

Other than that season, pretty much every other "controversial" winner, criteria wise, had a legit case to win. People talk about MJ not winning in '90 and '93, but both Magic and Charles led their team to significantly more wins while posting monster numbers themselves. Then there are "perfect storm" cases like '06 and '11, where a weak field meant somebody had to win, and somebody did.

btw, Shaq was NEVER going to win in '01 with LA falling off that significantly in the regular season from the prior year. Not to mention Kobe having a monster year himself. Best player does not mean you get to win the MVP.

[Owl]

They weren't giving a young guy like Paul (at the time) that award over Kobe. Its why LeBron didn't get it in 2006 when you could've argued his case over Nash.
You've offered an explanation as to why he (Paul) wasn't (in practice) selected when the debate seemed to be about who should have been. Although you might be able to argue that your statement that LeBron and Paul "weren't quite there yet" was about their status with the basketball media rather than their level of play.


1989 MVP is Magic and rightfully so: He led the Lakers to the #2 seed in the whole league. Jordan led the Bulls to the 6th seen in the East alone, with a worse record than in the previous season (and winning an MVP while having won only 50 games is tough by itself). Not to mention that he bumped his rebounding and passing averages with that triple-double streak, which was impressive, but didn't amount to a good team record. And it's not as if Magic didn't have an extraordinary statistical season as well (close to 23/8/13/2).
Depends on MVP criteria. If theres a whole bunch of things outside of player performance (mostly at team level) I'm fine with Magic.

If player performance only it's Jordan. Jordan has the better stats and then was an all time elite perimeter defender, whilst Johnson couldn't defend his poisition (shunting Scott and Worthy, at least, into guarding a different position) and provided only average defense. Jordan just happened to have worse teammates.

[riseagainst]

100% Full Retard Mode: Engaged

:roll:

[magnax1]

11 Dwight
89, 90 and 97 Jordan.
Those are the worst off the top of my head.

[Flash31]

Wade 2009
was third behind Kobe,LeBron


Wade-30.2,5,7.5 2.2steals,1.3 blocks 49%
Kobe-26.8,5.2,4.9 1.5steals,0.5blocks 47%
LeBron-28.4,7.6,7.2 1.7steals,1.1blocks 49%

Wade-1stinpts,2nd in steals,7thinassists,16th in blocks(only person not c or pf)
was ranked 3rd as Defensive player of the year yet somehow Kobe made 1st all-d over him

the only thing that was the differnece
Cavs-66-16
LAL-65-17
MIA-43-39

[Flash31]

Wilt 1962

was second to Russell

Wilt-50.4,25.7,2.4 51%
Bill- 18.9,23.6,4.5 46%

Team recs

PW-49-31
bOS-60-20

EVEN WITH TEAM RECORD TAKEN
Wilt's stats dwarf Russells

50.4-18.9 31 ppg difference
25.7-23.6 2 rb difference
515 to 46% 5%
2.4 to 4.5 -2 difference

lined up

Wilt-31.5 ppg,2 rb,5% fg
Bill-2.1 assists

[Flash31]

Wilt 1961

2nd to Russell

Wilt-38.4,27.2,1.9 51%
Bill-16.9,23.9,3.4 43%
diff

Wilt-21.5ppg,3.3 rbs, 8%fg
Bill-1.5 asts
Team Rec
PW-46-33
BOS-57-22


wILT 1969
2ND To Wes Unseld

Wilt-20.5,21,4.5 58%
Wes-13.8,18.2,2.6 48%

diff

Wilt-6.7ppg,3.2rbs,1.9ast,10%
Wes-none

Team Rec
LAL-55-27
Bal-57-25

[D.J.]

1990- Charles Barkley
1997- Michael Jordan
1998- Karl Malone
1999- Alonzo Mourning
2002- Jason Kidd
2003- Tracy McGrady
2006- Kobe Bryant
2008- Chris Paul
2009- Dwyane Wade

[LAZERUSS]

1961-1962 wilt chamberlain 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rbs, 100 points game and they give the mvp to russell...wtf:facepalm :facepalm

This.

It's fascinating to compare Wilt and Russell's 59-60 and 61-62 seasons, as well as their team's records. Chamberlain ran away with the MVP in his rookie season of '60. Then, two years later, in seasons in which both team's pretty much duplicate their records, and Russell puts up nearly identical stats...while Chamberlain just blows his '60 stats out of the water...and Russell wins the MVP award easily?

BTW, Chamberlain was voted first-team all NBA ahead of Russell that season...and in fact, would hold a 7-2 edge over him in first-team selections in their 10 years in the league together.

Oh, and Chamberlain was also robbed of the award in '64, as well. AND, given the criteria that was used in '62, how did Wilt not win the award in '72?