Basketball Reference added 2P%

[BuGzBuNNy]

:bowdown:

Not that it wasn't easy to calculate, but its extremely convenient. Now we should see a decrease in the use of TS and eFG (which I actually like).

[eklip]

:bowdown:

Not that it wasn't easy to calculate, but its extremely convenient. Now we should see a decrease in the use of TS and eFG (which I actually like).
Why? 2P% doesn't include FTs

[BuGzBuNNy]

Why? 2P% doesn't include FTs
FT shooting shouldn't be combined into a formula to calculate efficiency, I'd rather look at that explicitly. I actually like eFG though.

[PHILA]

Barkley in the '91 playoffs shot almost 70% (.686) from 2 point range. This is what happens when you take it strong to the hoop.


Note how there is no fooling around with the ball. This is him at his best.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_Ut69JBuU&t=8m32s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXnZPEg4Lk&t=1h19m55s

[eklip]

FT shooting shouldn't be combined into a formula to calculate efficiency, I'd rather look at that explicitly. I actually like eFG though.
I don't agree. In my opinion TS% is the best stat to evaluate the scoring efficiency of a player, but that's not the point. TS% is used because it includes FTs. The addition of the 2P% on Basketball Reference won't change that.

[Psileas]

I don't agree. In my opinion TS% is the best stat to evaluate the scoring efficiency of a player, but that's not the point. TS% is used because it includes FTs. The addition of the 2P% on Basketball Reference won't change that.

It's useful to have stats that both include and exclude FT's. FT's are part of someone's offense, however they only happen with time stopped and with the shooter being unguarded, so it's useful to have stats that only take into account someone's efficiency while guarded (or supposed to be) - hence FG%'s, etc.

On topic, though, thank God this basic thing at last happened. FG%'s are nice, but I'd rather see the wider picture. For example, someone could shoot a higher FG% than someone else, while shooting worse in both 2-pointers and 3-pointers. Shots analysis clears such stuff up.

[BoutPractice]

There's no be-all-end-all stat on scoring: the more context, the better, and this is a step in the right direction.

[fpliii]

:bowdown:

Not that it wasn't easy to calculate, but its extremely convenient. Now we should see a decrease in the use of TS and eFG (which I actually like).

God I hope not, that would be incredibly disappointing.

[Young X]

Lebron shot 60% on 2's and 40% on 3's last season. :eek: :oldlol:

[BuGzBuNNy]

God I hope not, that would be incredibly disappointing.
From an overall standpoint, TS is cool I guess. I just don't see the point of it when I can look at something like eFG and then FT% explicitly.

I like the concept of eFG. From Bball ref:
Suppose Player A goes 4 for 10 with 2 threes, while Player B goes 5 for 10 with 0 threes. Each player would have 10 points from field goals, and thus would have the same effective field goal percentage (50%).I approve of that; they both took 10 shots and produced 10 points. We marvel at a player capable of shooting 40% from three, but if he's shooting 40% from the floor he's killed. What if all he shoots is 3's? Then that 40% from the field is just as amazing as the 40% from 3, right?

[fpliii]

From an overall standpoint, TS is cool I guess. I just don't see the point of it when I can look at something like eFG and then FT% explicitly.

I like the concept of eFG. From Bball ref: I approve of that; they both took 10 shots and produced 10 points. We marvel at a player capable of shooting 40% from three, but if he's shooting 40% from the floor he's killed. What if all he shoots is 3's? Then that 40% from the field is just as amazing as the 40% from 3, right?

Because getting to the line matters. TS% is scoring efficiency, it doesn't matter how you get your points. You gotta look at it alongside TSA (true shooting attempts), since being a great scorer means you need volume AND efficiency.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

00 Pacers 46.6%
01 76ers 44.8%
02 Nets 44.6%
04 Pistons 43.8%
08 Celtics 45.2%
09 Magic 45.4%
10 Celtics 48.1%

91 Lakers 47.5%
92 Blazers 47.4%
93 Suns 49.6%
96 Sonics 46.6%
97 Jazz 46.5%
98 Jazz 45.7%

Yep that looks right.

[kNicKz]

more stats to push distorted agendas with!!!

trolls right now:

http://www.nastyhobbit.org/forum/animated_gifs/robocop-fap.gif

[Round Mound]

The Most Important Offensive Stat for Centers and Powerforwards. Offensive Play Inside The 3-Point Arch :applause:

[russwest0]

Does anywhere show just midrange percentage? 2pt shots outside of the paint?

[gts]

more stats to push distorted agendas with!!!


This...

Like any other stat it will be meaningless unless it's used in the proper way for the right thing

Right off the bat the one upside is when you see a high TS% a quick look at the 2pt% might show an inflated TS% due to high FT%

[Young X]

Does anywhere show just midrange percentage? 2pt shots outside of the paint?http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=duranke01&year_id=2013&shot_pts=2&shot_type=JUMP_SHOT

[russwest0]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=duranke01&year_id=2013&shot_pts=2&shot_type=JUMP_SHOT

Now how do I pull that up for any player I want?

[Young X]

Now how do I pull that up for any player I want?Go to the grey bar on any player page, then click - shooting > 2013 > shot points.

[plowking]

The Most Important Offensive Stat for Centers and Powerforwards. Offensive Play Inside The 3-Point Arch :applause:

Not really. Its all about context. Your PF or C can be a three point shooter like Dirk.

But, when you have an agenda to prop up Charles Barkley at every turn, I can see how you favor this move.

[ProfessorMurder]

Now how do I pull that up for any player I want?

Just go here, it's better:

http://hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx

[Round Mound]

Not really. Its all about context. Your PF or C can be a three point shooter like Dirk.

But, when you have an agenda to prop up Charles Barkley at every turn, I can see how you favor this move.

:roll: :no: :facepalm

[Round Mound]

Barkley in the '91 playoffs shot almost 70% (.686) from 2 point range. This is what happens when you take it strong to the hoop.


Note how there is no fooling around with the ball. This is him at his best.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_Ut69JBuU&t=8m32s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXnZPEg4Lk&t=1h19m55s

:applause:

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron shot 60% on 2's and 40% on 3's last season. :eek: :oldlol:


:eek: :eek: :eek: