How would we view Jordan if he became a beta male and joined Bird or Magic's Team?

[Skip Bayless]

How would you view Jordan? Let me start this off by stating that Michael Jordan is by far the greatest player I have ever witnessed to play the game of basketball. Yes, we've had Russell, Wilt, Oscar, West, Baylor, Magic, Bird, and many other all time greats in this league, but none captured the essence of pure basketball and popularity heights as his airness has.

But what allures me most about Jordan was his sheer will to not only be the best, but tell you he was the best, and then show you that he's the best while humiliating you all at once in an embracive yet imitating manner.

But what If Jordan took the cowards way out and joined the late great Larry Bird's team? Or joined Magic's team? How would we view him? Well, I have to say, in my gods honest opinion, I would not consider Jordan the Greatest even if he won 12 Rings with Magics Lakers. Because a move like that not only takes away from the competetive side of the game, but it also takes away the sheer enjoyment away from the game.

To remain with the team you started with, and to build a dominate title run after multiple failures reveals the true heart and soul of a great player. Leaving the Bulls to join the Lakers would have been the cowards way out for Jordan, but see ladies and gentlemen, Jordan embodies the true heart of not only a champion, but a mans man so to speak.

Jordan knew he wanted to be the best, and to be the best, you have to destroy your competition on your own team and terms. Join Magic? No, I'm going to beat him. Drexler you think your on my level? No, I'm going to beat you. Barkley, I hear your camp is calling you the best player in the league, I won't join you, I'm gonna beat you. Payton, you think you can guard me and out perform me with flashy assist to Kemp? No, I'm going to beat you. Malone and Stockton best duo in the league? Pippen, lace up and lets show them how it's done.

That is why Michael is the greatest, he out performed and destroyed his peers. But in today's game, you have a player like LeBron quitting on his team and joining arguably the best player in the NBA team Wade. Which was utterly pathetic and cowardly in my gods honest opinion. I'm not alone on this, here's Jordan's thoughts on LeBron joining the Heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiry6qfvzLI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Jordan wanted to beat his rivals, not join them. So If MJ had joined Bird or Magic, I would have forever viewed him as a ring chasing coward, but to our joy, we had a Alpha male in Jordan who was too mentally tough to commit such a horrible crime within the league.

Jordan, I thank you.

[Kurosawa0]

Does anyone really still believe that LeBron is beta to Wade's alpha? LeBron has completely taken over that team. ESPN had an article up today about how Wade deals with the fact that LeBron is now the team's best player and leader.

[CavaliersFTW]

More importantly does anyone still believe all that hype that Jordan was any better at basketball than guys like Russell, Wilt, Oscar, Magic, Bird etc etc etc etc? Michael Jordan was the greatest shoe salesmen in history and he became an icon because of it - but it was only because he stood on the shoulders of giants before him who shed blood sweat and tears during the civil rights movement that he could even do that. As a basketball player and strictly speaking as a basketball player he's not a unanimous best ever. He's just one of the best. There are at least a handful of others who played the game at levels similar to the levels he played or even higher depending on what facets of the game your discussing or prioritizing as 'GOAT' criteria for example impact and competitiveness (Russell), or sheer dominance and talent (Wilt) or heck, a blend of both + all-time longevity (Kareem). Jordan isn't the end all be all.

[Skip Bayless]

Does anyone really still believe that LeBron is beta to Wade's alpha? LeBron has completely taken over that team. ESPN had an article up today about how Wade deals with the fact that LeBron is now the team's best player and leader.

You really missed the point. I'm confident that Jordan would have been the best player on Magic's Lakers if he joined them. Still wouldn't make that move less cowardly.

[iamgine]

To remain with the team you started with, and to build a dominate title run after multiple failures reveals the true heart and soul of a great player. Leaving the Bulls to join the Lakers would have been the cowards way out for Jordan, but see ladies and gentlemen, Jordan embodies the true heart of not only a champion, but a mans man so to speak.
So anyone who ever change teams (Kareem, Wilt, Shaq) are cowards. Gotcha.

[CavaliersFTW]

So anyone who ever change teams (Kareem, Wilt, Shaq) are cowards. Gotcha.
Yep, and OP is also forgetting MJ bailed on the Bulls too, 3 times (Barons, Tunes, Wizards)

[bdreason]

Jordan would be the best player on the team if he joined Magic or Bird.

[knicksman]

So anyone who ever change teams (Kareem, Wilt, Shaq) are cowards. Gotcha.

lakers were not great when kareem and shaq joined while wilt has the same mentality as lebron. You could say that with magic but pgs really have beta mentality.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Comparing Wade and Bosh to Bird and Magic... :facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

lakers were not great when kareem and shaq joined while wilt has the same mentality as lebron. You could say that with magic but pgs really have beta mentality.
In other words, everybody can have an excuse except for Lebron. Gotcha. :applause:

[kamil]

Comparing Wade and Bosh to Bird and Magic... :facepalm

+1

These stupid kids haven't been watching basketball for long.

[Trollsmasher]

Does anyone really still believe that LeBron is beta to Wade's alpha? LeBron has completely taken over that team. ESPN had an article up today about how Wade deals with the fact that LeBron is now the team's best player and leader.
Not to take anything away from your point, because you are right, but - you take anything written by that fatso Windhorst seriously?

[knicksman]

In other words, everybody can have an excuse except for Lebron. Gotcha. :applause:

Hows that everybody when i said magic and wilt are betas? LOL what a dumbass.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Hows that everybody when i said magic and wilt are betas? LOL what a dumbass.
2nd and 3rd best players of all times were betas
:biggums:

[knicksman]

2nd and 3rd best players of all times were betas
:biggums:

only an idiot would think wilt is 2nd or 3rd LOL

[LEFT4DEAD]

only an idiot would think wilt is 2nd or 3rd LOL
cool man, you are my inspiration :rolleyes:

[bagelred]

If Michael Jordan became a beta, he'd be the best Beta the game's every seen. He would the Master at it. Or as I would call him, The Master Beta! :rockon:


Michael Jordan: The Master Beta

[Psileas]

only an idiot would think wilt is 2nd or 3rd LOL

Well, I agree that he was 1st, but I won't be mad at those who have him at #2 or 3.
But the question is: What would Wilt average in his career if he were an alpha and not a 50/26 or 24/24/8 beta? :eek:

[jlip]

Is it still 2010?

[tmacattack33]

I have no clue, that'd be like if Lebron joined one of his actual playoff rivals, like the Celtics.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan, Magic, and Bird all played on disgustingly stacked teams. Why would any of them ever leave? LeBron on the Cavs on the other hand? :oldlol: His best player was Mo ****ing Williams. Not exactly Scottie Pippen, Kevin McHale, or Kareem. :oldlol:

[BoutPractice]

Is it still 2010?
This.
And the comparison of Wade and Bosh to Bird and Magic needs to stop, it's disrespectful to two of the biggest legends of all time. Wade is closer to Rick Barry than to Magic on all-time lists. And Bosh is not even as good as James Worthy. In terms of the balance of quality in the big 3, the Heat's Big 3 compares pretty well to the Bird/McHale/Parish Big 3 (Wade probably is better than McHale and Parish better than Bosh, but it balances itself out), certainly not to an imaginary Jordan/Bird/Magic Big 3 or to Magic/Kareem/Worthy and West/Chamberlain/Goodrich.

[CanYouDigIt]

Bosh = Bird :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wade = Magic :roll: :roll: :roll:

OP really must know nothing about basketball. 1/10. Weak Thread. Future Negged.

Edit: Can't neg you right now, remind me l8rz.

[joeyjoejoe]

No one wins on their own u need the rifght team around you no matter how good you are I don't like lebron teaming up with stars or Kobe threatening to leave if his team doesn't get a star coz it makes it a bit unfair and harder for other teams but I don't blame them especially lebron as he'd never had a shaq on his team so he was ringless at that point

[pauk]

Another day, another trolls agenda to expose....

For Jordan to do what you say he would had to have joined Magic or Bird in the mid 80s asap soon as he entered, before Birds back is destroyed/Celtics are done (~1990) and before Magic got HIV/Lakers are done (~1990) and before Jordan recieves an even better supporting cast (~1990).... Jordan came in mid 80s and just like Lebron wanted to be patient & give that "one man army with scrubs" thing a good try for at least 7 years in hope of eventually recieving the required supporting cast to obtain a championship before measuring his other options as a free-agent, just like Lebron... difference is Lebron didnt recieve his supporting cast.... Jordan did, big time and it kept growing until it was arguably the best cast ever..... and even if Jordan wouldnt have recieved his supporting cast either by his 7th year, Bird/Celtics & Magic/Laker were DONE/GONE...

Bird & Magic were the best players by far in the league & one of the 5 best players of all time, some even argue even GOAT believe it or not...... and they were Jordans rivals / superiour players that schooled him.......... its nowhere near equivalent of Lebron joining Bosh/Wade...... its more equivalent if Jordan teamed up with Brad Daugherty at best & an older injury proned Clyde Drexler and got to a team that was horrible/average and build everything from scratch himself and actually have to do even more to win.....

[Lebron23]

$hit is getting old

[#number6ix#]

Kareem is the goat

[SilkkTheShocker]

Is it still 2010?

This :oldlol:

OP is a f.aggot

[Nash]

.. and then lead them in ppg, apg, and rpg? Damn. Super goat.

[Dolphin]

If Magic, Wilt and Lebron are betas, then I'm not exactly sure what's wrong with being a beta.....

[Mr Exlax]

If Jordan went to either of those teams and still lead them in every stat then I wouldn't view him any differently than I do now. He simply joined a better team. Just like you and I will leave a job for a better job.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ has a dick, not the mutated horse sized dick Pippen has, but he has one. Meaning he's pumped full of alpha sized volumes of testosterone. So why would he have pussied out of failure to join say Barkley, Bird, or Magic? He's not mentally or competitively fragile like that so it's not in his DNA.

[lakerspng]

Magic? Beta? Are you f'n serious? He's one of the most competitive people and charismatic, yet fiery leaders to ever step on a court. He's one of the most clearly alpha players in league history. He took control of the team from Kareem nearly from his rookie year. People followed Magic, always have, he had that natural leadership quality where people don't know why but they just find themselves doing what he says and falling in line. Leadership like his on a basketball court is really rare.

[#number6ix#]

In order for a team from this era to compare to bird, magic, and mj...it would have to be

Kobe
Kd
Bron

[SamuraiSWISH]

In order for a team from this era to compare to bird, magic, and mj...it would have to be

Kobe
Kd
Bron
Oddly, I agree.

Kobe = MJ
KD = Bird
Magic = LeBron

Melo is kind of like CB34, too. KD and Melo being more one dimensional versions of the predecessors they're compared to though. Similar offensive skill sets for both in terms of scoring.

It's funny in the Bird, Magic, MJ trio ... Mike was the young one.

In the Kobe, KD, Bron trio ... the Jordan like Kobe is the elder statesman. Funny role reversal.


Magic? Beta? Are you f'n serious? He's one of the most competitive people and charismatic, yet fiery leaders to ever step on a court. He's one of the most clearly alpha players in league history.
And was forced into beta submission by Jordan on the '92 Dream Team.

:oldlol:

[branslowski]

This :oldlol:

OP is a f.aggot

I agree with the fact that this is old and OP being a ****. But the irony of you butthurt LeBron stans is very telling and here's why:

1. You seem to not have a problem with Kobe haters calling him a rapist and bringing up Colorado which happened in 04'.

2. Yawl continue to spew garbage about "side kick rings, Shaq carried him" even though Kobe hasn't played with Shaq for damn near a decade.

3. You (silktheshocker) continue to spew ur "6/24" BS when hating on Kobe which also took place in 2010.

Just sayin, you LeBron stans need to stay consistant. Don't b!tch about something someone else does when you marks do the same shit.

[Flash31]

MJ has a dick, not the mutated horse sized dick Pippen has, but he has one. Meaning he's pumped full of alpha sized volumes of testosterone. So why would he have pussied out of failure to join say Barkley, Bird, or Magic? He's not mentally or competitively fragile like that so it's not in his DNA.


WTF?
Seriously this post,Really?
WOW just Obsessed wouldnt even come close to a word about you and how you feel about MJ.
How,just uh
Is there a lovers,shrine type message board you can go to and post this,
I mean Really?Really?
Some of these trolls go way beyond and so do stans but you
WOW.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ has a dick, not the mutated horse sized dick Pippen has, but he has one. Meaning he's pumped full of alpha sized volumes of testosterone. So why would he have pussied out of failure to join say Barkley, Bird, or Magic? He's not mentally or competitively fragile like that so it's not in his DNA.

Swish at it again. :roll:

[lakerspng]

Oddly, I agree.

Kobe = MJ
KD = Bird
Magic = LeBron

Melo is kind of like CB34, too. KD and Melo being more one dimensional versions of the predecessors they're compared to though. Similar offensive skill sets for both in terms of scoring.

It's funny in the Bird, Magic, MJ trio ... Mike was the young one.

In the Kobe, KD, Bron trio ... the Jordan like Kobe is the elder statesman. Funny role reversal.


And was forced into beta submission by Jordan on the '92 Dream Team.

:oldlol:

one thing Magic loves is marketing. He knew Jordan was the face of the league and he himself was no longer in his prime. was a pretty savvy a easy decision for anyone on the team to make, to step aside and let Jordan be the main man.

[knicksman]

alphas want to destroy other alphas not befriend them. And thats what you guys are not getting at. So even if jordan had bad teammates, no way he is ever going to join a wade. Hed either join a rebuilding team with no alpha but has good management, force management on what he wants, or force his teammates to be better than what theyre capable of. These guys would rather lose than join another alpha.

[PickernRoller]

So what OP is trying to say is that Lebron is a fraud. Why get so elaborate. We already know.

[Psileas]

And was forced into beta submission by Jordan on the '92 Dream Team.

What's this supposed to mean? Makes no sense.
Even when in that famous friendly game between the Dream Teamers, "Jordan's squad" beat "Magic's squad", Magic was still his team's leader, hence the name.

Magic was forced into "beta submission" as much as Jordan was later forced into "beta submission" by the MVP of the actual tournament, Barkley.

[CavaliersFTW]

MJ has a dick, not the mutated horse sized dick Pippen has, but he has one. Meaning he's pumped full of alpha sized volumes of testosterone. So why would he have pussied out of failure to join say Barkley, Bird, or Magic? He's not mentally or competitively fragile like that so it's not in his DNA.
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