Derrick Favors & Jazz REach Agreement ... 4 year/ 49 mill

[Koop1]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--derrick-favors-agrees-to-extension-with-jazz-180910657.html

[NugzFan]

12 mill for 9 and 7?

Inb4 "he's so overpaid!!"

[poido123]

12 mill for 9 and 7?

Inb4 "he's so overpaid!!"

A talented centre who can play both ends of the floor and young. He is worth every cent.

Roughly 12 mill a year, that's a steal. Isn't Spurs paying Splitter that amount?

[It's A VC3!!!]

I don't understand the hype around him. He is and will always be a completely raw offensive player with average defensive abilities. $50 million can get you much more. He's had the same "Has a lot of upside" title over his head ever since he entered the league yet he hasn't improved much from his first year in the league. Grats on the contract but certainly not worth it.

[DuMa]

DeAndre Jordan + Wilt McGee contracts.

All Centers are overpaid to an extent. I've stopped overreacting to it.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

How little of an improvement he has made since his rookie season is astounding. At least when I have watched him play recently. He looks like a foul machine, with no footwork and poor offensive instincts in a million dollar body. The kid needs a coach bad, unless his work ethic is just that terrible.

[chips93]

could be an elite defensive player very soon

good contract for the jazz

[bluechox2]

wow, didnt even have to prove himself

[El Kabong]

wow, didnt even have to prove himself
I didn't like him getting paid before this year, but someone was gonna give him a deal like this in restricted free agency at a minimum, so it's better to lock him up now, rather than risk having to give him the max if he does end the year as a 15ppg/12rpg guy (which is about what he averages in his per36).

Larry Sanders just got about the exact same deal recently, so it's market value for him.

[Tking714]

Supply and Demand market. Say what you want about "I dont get this contract he's too raw" but the Jazz don't have anyone else to throw money at. He's the best available

[el gringos]

As a lifelong jazz hater I couldn't be happier than seeing them first trade up for trey Burke and then make that kind of commitment to favors.

The good news for jazz fans. Many good draft picks coming

[andremiller07]

Could be a good deal since he will get plenty of playing time and put up good stats making his value go up this season so they signed him for a good amount of money but not to much before his value may or may not have gone up.

[Xiao Yao You]

A talented centre who can play both ends of the floor and young. He is worth every cent.

Roughly 12 mill a year, that's a steal. Isn't Spurs paying Splitter that amount?

He plays the defensive end and hits the offensive glass. His offensive game has shown little to no improvement even after his work with the Mailman.


I didn't like him getting paid before this year, but someone was gonna give him a deal like this in restricted free agency at a minimum, so it's better to lock him up now, rather than risk having to give him the max if he does end the year as a 15ppg/12rpg guy (which is about what he averages in his per36).

Larry Sanders just got about the exact same deal recently, so it's market value for him.

The 15/12 was against 2nd stringers though. Can he play 36 minutes a game with his foul tendencies? Can he put up those numbers going against the best players every night? He might live up to the contract and he might have got a lot more in the off-season but he certainly isn't worth that now. I would have told him 10 take it or leave it. I think Gobert could be a better fit in the long run anyway based on what I saw in summer league.


the Jazz don't have anyone else to throw money at. He's the best available

They still have their two best players to pay in Hayward and Kanter not to mention Burks. You don't throw money away just because. They should have learned with AK. He hamstrung them for years with his contract.


The good news for jazz fans. Many good draft picks coming

The bad news is there will be a lot of losing for those draft picks.

[bagelred]

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[ihatetimthomas]

A talented centre who can play both ends of the floor and young. He is worth every cent.

Roughly 12 mill a year, that's a steal. Isn't Spurs paying Splitter that amount?

Why do you people use bad contracts as a comparison? It's a terrible way to justify contracts. What about using your logic for the guys who make 12 mil and are better than favors like joakim Noah, rajon rondo or tony Parker? or maybe guys who make even less like Stephen curry? Should I use them as a way to show how terrible favors contract is?

He is definitely not worth every cent. In what ways is he? He is unproven in big minutes. The Jazz are gambling hard, and likely it won't be worth it. He's got skills and upside but feel like they could have gotten him for 8-9 million per year range

[TheReturn]

This is not a bad deal. He'll be worth it.

[poido123]

Why do you people use bad contracts as a comparison? It's a terrible way to justify contracts. What about using your logic for the guys who make 12 mil and are better than favors like joakim Noah, rajon rondo or tony Parker? or maybe guys who make even less like Stephen curry? Should I use them as a way to show how terrible favors contract is?

He is definitely not worth every cent. In what ways is he? He is unproven in big minutes. The Jazz are gambling hard, and likely it won't be worth it. He's got skills and upside but feel like they could have gotten him for 8-9 million per year range


Because this is the Jazz and this is not a bad contract considering that market value demands teams pay for decent centres. What bulls pay for Noah, other teams in smaller markets generally pay a touch more. If you are wanting to keep key parts of your team and not have other teams poach them away, you pay them.

[rustycage]

Does anyone know how this affects utah's salary cap next summer? As far as I remember, they were supposed to have huge cap space, am I not right?

[El Kabong]

Does anyone know how this affects utah's salary cap next summer? As far as I remember, they were supposed to have huge cap space, am I not right?
I think it'll put them at about $32 million in salary (that's with the Jazz picking up team options for Kanter and Burks as well as Haywards qualifying offer) , with a possible extension for Hayward (at say $8-$10 million a year) that could bump it up to the $38 million range. So that'd leave them with maybe $20 million to play with in free agency next season.

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[Eric Cartman]

Pretty sure they just outbid themselves.

This is why terrible teams stay that way :lol

[Haymaker]

DeAndre Jordan + Wilt McGee contracts.

All Centers are overpaid to an extent. I've stopped overreacting to it.

This. As long as the player is decent and is not injury prone, I would not call it an outrage.

[El Kabong]

Pretty sure they just outbid themselves.

This is why terrible teams stay that way :lol
Maybe slightly, but someone would have offered him a deal like that, young bigs usually do, so they probably figured its better to sign him now and not have to worry about him getting max offers if he does well.

[Xiao Yao You]

Pretty sure they just outbid themselves.

This is why terrible teams stay that way :lol

Not sure I'd put the Jazz in the terrible teams staying that way category. They've been a playoff team most of the past 30 years.

[bagelred]

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[Nastradamus]

Favors is a stud, people just don't realize it because he plays in Utah. He's very good defensively and very efficient on O. He's a better Deandre Jordan. THis is what guys like him get paid(Ibaka,Sanders etc.)

[rustycage]

I think it'll put them at about $32 million in salary (that's with the Jazz picking up team options for Kanter and Burks as well as Haywards qualifying offer) , with a possible extension for Hayward (at say $8-$10 million a year) that could bump it up to the $38 million range. So that'd leave them with maybe $20 million to play with in free agency next season.
Thanks!

[Xiao Yao You]

Favors is a stud, people just don't realize it because he plays in Utah. He's very good defensively and very efficient on O. He's a better Deandre Jordan. THis is what guys like him get paid(Ibaka,Sanders etc.)

Doesn't mean they should pay it. He has became a decent free throw shooter but his FG % has went down the more he's shot so I wouldn't call him efficient. Get him away from the rim and he's very inefficient. As long as it's a tradable contract it's ok. Most of the guys at the top of the next draft are big guys so they might have to end up trading him at some point.

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE]Heard first strong rumbles this weekend that Gordon Hayward, like Derrick Favors, will indeed get extension from Jazz before Oct. 31 buzzer

[bagelred]

Jazz won't go any farther publicly than acknowledging talks ongoing but I'm told deal -- if completed -- will be richer than Favors' deal

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[AintNoSunshine]

OK Jazz, that'll help you stay irrelevant for quite a while

[El Kabong]

Err, not thrilled with Hayward getting a bigger contract than Favors. I really like him as a player, but he seems like that AK, jack of all trades type guy. Not good enough to be the 1 or 2 guy on a good team, but someone who's a sneaky good 3 or 4 guy.

I was always worried that someone would offer him a stupid contract and force the Jazz to spend $50 million+ on him. Get him for $8-$9 million a year and he's worth every penny. Start going $12+ million and it's not looking good.

[Xiao Yao You]

Err, not thrilled with Hayward getting a bigger contract than Favors. I really like him as a player, but he seems like that AK, jack of all trades type guy. Not good enough to be the 1 or 2 guy on a good team, but someone who's a sneaky good 3 or 4 guy.

I was always worried that someone would offer him a stupid contract and force the Jazz to spend $50 million+ on him. Get him for $8-$9 million a year and he's worth every penny. Start going $12+ million and it's not looking good.

He's not a go to guy but he's easily their best player right now. He plays at both ends unlike Favors. I'd rather pay him than Favors.

[HurricaneKid]

I didn't like him getting paid before this year, but someone was gonna give him a deal like this in restricted free agency at a minimum, so it's better to lock him up now, rather than risk having to give him the max if he does end the year as a 15ppg/12rpg guy (which is about what he averages in his per36).

Larry Sanders just got about the exact same deal recently, so it's market value for him.

This is the problem with blocking your young talent. Who knows what Favors is? He never played a meaningful minute and built most of his stats against bench players. Its shocking to me that Millsap got 9M and he is getting this deal.

I would rather make him show me something before I gave him this pile, even if it meant I would have to pay a little more at the end of the season.

And Sanders is an ELITE defensive player. Top 5 in the game. His value is off the charts; he is top 36 RAPM.

[Xiao Yao You]

This is the problem with blocking your young talent. Who knows what Favors is? He never played a meaningful minute and built most of his stats against bench players. Its shocking to me that Millsap got 9M and he is getting this deal.

I would rather make him show me something before I gave him this pile, even if it meant I would have to pay a little more at the end of the season.

And Sanders is an ELITE defensive player. Top 5 in the game. His value is off the charts; he is top 36 RAPM.

Favors has looked like an elite defender too and that is what they are paying him for.

[El Kabong]

Nice artice, below pretty much sums up the signing from my POV.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/78962/the-utah-plan-what-derrick-favorss-extension-means-for-the-jazz


Favors won't start earning that money this season, and that's the key point here. In his fourth season, the last on his rookie contract, Favors will finally get a chance to start. The Jazz are betting that after such a season, Favors will have emerged as the sort of restricted free agent to whom some team would have offered a max deal — forcing the Jazz to match at that level. If it's right, Utah will have saved itself some valuable cap space by acting early, just as Philadelphia (Jrue Holiday, now gone) and especially Golden State (Stephen Curry) did a year ago by acting in advance of restricted free agency. There are at least eight teams with the potential for max-level cap room next summer, and though a few are already crowded on the front line (Detroit, perhaps Orlando), there are at least a couple that would have loomed as potentially aggressive suitors for Favors. The Mavs, Suns, and Wizards all come to mind, though Washington will have to decline some pricey options on its own rookie-scale guys (and Snakey the Snake) to achieve that position.


If Favors falls short, Utah won’t have been disastrously wrong, though waiting so long to give Favors a central role cost Utah the chance to watch him outperform his rookie contract over multiple seasons — a key source of production-over-salary profits. It's not ideal to pay a $10 million player about $12 million a year, but it's not a massive failure, either — especially when the guy is 22, with a real willingness to play defense. And as the salary cap jumps by a couple million over each of the next two seasons, Favors’s deal will look proportionally even better.

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE=El Kabong]Nice artice, below pretty much sums up the signing from my POV.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/78962/the-utah-plan-what-derrick-favorss-extension-means-for-the-jazz

The Jazz are betting that after such a season, Favors will have emerged as the sort of restricted free agent to whom some team would have offered a max deal

[Xiao Yao You]

While LeBron James was the overwhelming favorite, Kyrie Irving received votes from NBA general managers as the best player with whom they'd like to begin a franchise. In the recent anonymous NBA.com poll, Irving received 3.4 percent of the votes, falling well behind James (89.7 percent) and Kevin Durant (6.9 percent). It isn't clear if all the GMs participated and if not, how many were polled. Irving also received votes as the player most likely to break out this season. Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond and Derrick Favors were the top three vote getters.

I'd go with Kanter, Hayward and Burks ahead of Favors.

[midatlantic09]

Jazz going to spend nearly $100 mil on Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors?? LOL

That's a sure way to stay mediocre for many years to come.

[Xiao Yao You]

He looked worthy of his contract and than some tonight.

[RoseCity07]

That's money down the drain. He hasn't shown enough to warrant that kind of contract. This is Bargnani or Hedo level of being overpaid. In a few years the Jazz will have gone nowhere and Favors will be averaging 15 and 10. It seems like all you have to be is the best player on a bad team and you'll get a big contract.

[ihatetimthomas]

That's money down the drain. He hasn't shown enough to warrant that kind of contract. This is Bargnani or Hedo level of being overpaid. In a few years the Jazz will have gone nowhere and Favors will be averaging 15 and 10. It seems like all you have to be is the best player on a bad team and you'll get a big contract.

I agree. He is a decent player and has shown some promise, but this is a huge gamble. People talk about how he has had to play behind others and has had limited minutes. But in only 23 mpg, he averaged 3.2 fouls per game. That is quite a bit. Can he even stay on the floor for extended minutes the entire seasons? There are too many question marks for Favors. This entire contract is based on potential alone. It may pan out, but too many times teams get stuck with mediocre players with big contracts.

[Xiao Yao You]

That's money down the drain. He hasn't shown enough to warrant that kind of contract. This is Bargnani or Hedo level of being overpaid. In a few years the Jazz will have gone nowhere and Favors will be averaging 15 and 10. It seems like all you have to be is the best player on a bad team and you'll get a big contract.

He's not their best player. Arguably their best defender. I'd rather pay him what he got than the headcase Cousins max that's for sure!


This entire contract is based on potential alone. It may pan out, but too many times teams get stuck with mediocre players with big contracts.

Most of them are at this stage.

[East_Stone_Ya]

I remember last year he had a monster game in preseason against Blazers and i was thinking there would more like this. Now he will be given minutes to see if he can produce it on a nightly basis or not.

[chips93]

But in only 23 mpg, he averaged 3.2 fouls per game. That is quite a bit. Can he even stay on the floor for extended minutes the entire seasons?

thats definitely an issue

but its an issue lots of young big men have, and almost all of them grow out of it. tyson chandler, a guy favors might want to model his game after, fouled at an even worse age, when he was 2 years older than favors, but he grew out of it, like most players do.

[El Kabong]

thats definitely an issue

but its an issue lots of young big men have, and almost all of them grow out of it. tyson chandler, a guy favors might want to model his game after, fouled at an even worse age, when he was 2 years older than favors, but he grew out of it, like most players do.
I think Chandler is a good comparison for him. If Favors can continue to work with Karl Malone and get his offense to the point where he can hit a 15-18 foot jumper with some sort of consistency, then that'll be a bonus.

[Xiao Yao You]

He was hitting inside and out today. Interior passing. Rebounding/defensive monster. Hitting FT's. Could be more like Noah than Chandler who he's already similar to.

[GaryRaymond23]

For what it's worth I think the Jazz absolutely needed to do this as early as possible.

Utah never acquires any big name players due to the market/area and Favors is now your STAR player. You just couldn't afford to lose him. What if he has a monster year, he would've warranted a MAX contract. This deal, for all we know, could be a steal. He's a very young, raw, insanely talented big man with all the potential in the world and they got him at a reasonable price considering the market.

Exceptional move by the Jazz.

Really looking forward to the draft next year for them ..

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter/Gobert

Plus a more than likely top 5 pick (hopefully 1)

[Xiao Yao You]

For what it's worth I think the Jazz absolutely needed to do this as early as possible.

Utah never acquires any big name players due to the market/area and Favors is now your STAR player.

He is at best their 3rd best player right now. They have no stars yet.


You just couldn't afford to lose him.

Sure they could. Gobert looks good. They will have a top pick to replace him next summer. They have Tomic possibly coming over next year.


What if he has a monster year, he would've warranted a MAX contract. This deal, for all we know, could be a steal.

And it could be horrible if they are stuck with him and can't trade his contract if they want/need to.


He's a very young, raw, insanely talented big man with all the potential in the world and they got him at a reasonable price considering the market.

Exceptional move by the Jazz.

Really looking forward to the draft next year for them ..

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter/Gobert

Plus a more than likely top 5 pick (hopefully 1)

It's a sure thing that they get a top pick. They were constructed that way with Lucas in the rotation what other fate could they have?

[kurple]

everyone will hate, but McGee > Favors

Kanter > Favors as well

[GaryRaymond23]

He is at best their 3rd best player right now. They have no stars yet.



Sure they could. Gobert looks good. They will have a top pick to replace him next summer. They have Tomic possibly coming over next year.



And it could be horrible if they are stuck with him and can't trade his contract if they want/need to.



It's a sure thing that they get a top pick. They were constructed that way with Lucas in the rotation what other fate could they have?

I take it you're not high on Favors? Come All Star Break this upcoming year I think he'll be top 2 players on his team and show flashes of dominance, yet still be wildly inconsistent throughout the season.

Gobert does look good, I actually LOVED that pick. (I'm a HUGE Kanters fan as well) I don't think Gobert has the potential to be as good as Favors does tho.

It COULD be a horrible contract, you're correct. However, I think it's worth the risk basing it off of his seemingly limitless potential, raw athletic ability, size/build and his small sample size career.

Lucas will lead them to the promise land.

[GaryRaymond23]

everyone will hate, but McGee > Favors

Kanter > Favors as well


Strongly disagree with McGee but I think Kanter is going to surprise people this year with his offensive & rebounding abilities.

[Xiao Yao You]

I take it you're not high on Favors? Come All Star Break this upcoming year I think he'll be top 2 players on his team and show flashes of dominance, yet still be wildly inconsistent throughout the season.

Gobert does look good, I actually LOVED that pick. (I'm a HUGE Kanters fan as well) I don't think Gobert has the potential to be as good as Favors does tho.

It COULD be a horrible contract, you're correct. However, I think it's worth the risk basing it off of his seemingly limitless potential, raw athletic ability, size/build and his small sample size career.

Lucas will lead them to the promise land.

Favors has been a lot of hype and hasn't shown improvement. Kanter is the better player right now and was last year and at times as a rookie despite never playing ahead of Favors as is Hayward and along with Burks they have all shown continued growth. Evan Evans has started to look like he has some offensive game.

Gobert doesn't have to be as good as Favors. It's about spending money wisely. Gobert could be cheaper which gives you money to spend elsewhere. Gobert looks like a great fit too. He's still raw like Favors but hopefully will improve.

[GaryRaymond23]

Favors has been a lot of hype and hasn't shown improvement. Kanter is the better player right now and was last year and at times as a rookie despite never playing ahead of Favors as is Hayward and along with Burks they have all shown continued growth. Evan Evans has started to look like he has some offensive game.

Gobert doesn't have to be as good as Favors. It's about spending money wisely. Gobert could be cheaper which gives you money to spend elsewhere. Gobert looks like a great fit too. He's still raw like Favors but hopefully will improve.

I think Favors makes a significant jump this year, he's been severely hindered behind Big All and Milsap his entire career.

Favors/Kanter is one of, if not my favorite front courts in the entire NBA (I don't know, I have a thing for Drummond since I've met him a few times)

From a financial aspect I agree with you, Gobert just won't give you the same type of production, may be a better punch per dollar but ya.

I'm hoping this is Favors season tho, it typically takes big men a few years to get in to rhythm. He could honestly get 36 mpg this year. Actually, I hope he gets at least that looking at their bench.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think Favors makes a significant jump this year, he's been severely hindered behind Big All and Milsap his entire career.

Favors/Kanter is one of, if not my favorite front courts in the entire NBA (I don't know, I have a thing for Drummond since I've met him a few times)

From a financial aspect I agree with you, Gobert just won't give you the same type of production, may be a better punch per dollar but ya.

I'm hoping this is Favors season tho, it typically takes big men a few years to get in to rhythm. He could honestly get 36 mpg this year. Actually, I hope he gets at least that looking at their bench.

The whole franchise was hindered by the acquisition of Jefferson. Favors foul trouble and lack of an offensive game has hindered him. 36 minutes would be a lot to expect with his foul issues. Their bench was their strength and now looks to be one of their many weaknesses.

[GaryRaymond23]

The whole franchise was hindered by the acquisition of Jefferson. Favors foul trouble and lack of an offensive game has hindered him. 36 minutes would be a lot to expect with his foul issues. Their bench was their strength and now looks to be one of their many weaknesses.

Ha, I couldn't agree with you more, on literally every point.

Their bench is almost laughable at this point (which may have been done on purpose to tank without blatantly tanking)

You'd think a 4th year player would get his foul trouble under control after a few years under his belt but only time will tell.

[El Kabong]

The whole franchise was hindered by the acquisition of Jefferson. Favors foul trouble and lack of an offensive game has hindered him. 36 minutes would be a lot to expect with his foul issues. Their bench was their strength and now looks to be one of their many weaknesses.
Jefferson's acquisition was a last ditch effort to keep Deron Williams happy, which in hindsight was a mistake. If you could take the AJ trade back and you do the Deron Williams trade at the start of 10-11 season, then you'd have had 2 years of solid development into Favors already, rather than him sitting behind Jefferson that time.

I'm sure he'll be more careful with his fouling now that he's expected to play starters minutes. He probably went into games not worrying about it as much since he'd figure he'd still be spending time on the bench for Jefferson and Millsap, so you might as well be as aggressive as possible to try and get blocks and effect shots.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jefferson's acquisition was a last ditch effort to keep Deron Williams happy, which in hindsight was a mistake.


No doubt. Made no sense with Millsap in place. Chandler would have made perfect sense next to Paul. So did Koufos as far as I'm concerned but he went into Jerry's doghouse for some reason.


If you could take the AJ trade back and you do the Deron Williams trade at the start of 10-11 season, then you'd have had 2 years of solid development into Favors already, rather than him sitting behind Jefferson that time.

I'm sure he'll be more careful with his fouling now that he's expected to play starters minutes. He probably went into games not worrying about it as much since he'd figure he'd still be spending time on the bench for Jefferson and Millsap, so you might as well be as aggressive as possible to try and get blocks and effect shots.

Yes but he has had problems this pre-season. He'll have to learn to be able to play effectively while in foul trouble.

[Xiao Yao You]

Official numbers on Favors' extension obtained by ESPN.com show that 2010's No. 2 overall pick received a four-year deal that guarantees just over $47.7 million. Sources indicate that Hayward's deal could still wind up higher than Favors' contract, given the strong interest league wide in the former Butler star and the fears in Utah that Hayward would attract even more lucrative offer sheets in free agency from rival bidders next summer if he gets that far.

So less than 12 a year guaranteed. Sounded like it could be quite a bit more with incentives though.

[El Kabong]

So less than 12 a year guaranteed. Sounded like it could be quite a bit more with incentives though.
That's OK, if he hits the incentive targets, that means he should be playing well. (assuming the benchmarks he's given to activate those incentives aren't totally easy ones).

[Xiao Yao You]

That's OK, if he hits the incentive targets, that means he should be playing well. (assuming the benchmarks he's given to activate those incentives aren't totally easy ones).

Usually all-star, MVP, all-defensive etc. I think. So if he's getting those he's probably earning his money.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think I'd rather take my chances with Favors contract than Bogut's!