Derrick Rose the best player in the League...

[9erempiree]

This guy comes back with a new and improved game. He looks better than ever and if he had Miami's loaded team, he could easily be in Lebron's spot. In my opinion, he's the greatest player in basketball today.

Lebron may have a better career so far but Rose is the better player.

The torch will be passed this year.

Rose
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
CP3

[Derivative]

This guy comes back with a new and improved game. He looks better than ever and if he had Miami's loaded team, he could easily be in Lebron's spot. In my opinion, he's the greatest player in basketball today.

Lebron may have a better career so far but Rose is the better player.

The torch will be passed this year.

Rose
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
CP3


if your goal is to get the longest neg bar on ISH you have been very successful.

but sometimes ur trolling is so obvious that i can't even neg u for ur lack of creativity

[9erempiree]

if your goal is to get the longest neg bar on ISH you have been very successful.

but sometimes ur trolling is so obvious that i can't even neg u for ur lack of creativity

:facepalm

So I'm trolling because I think Rose is the best player? ROFL

Passing- I give it to Rose. He's the PG of a contending team.

Shooting- Rose, more range and can create shots at will. Improved 3 point shot.

Defense- Tie. Rose is the better man defender but Lebron is a decent man defender but great at help.

Leadership- Rose because this Chicago team is different with him on the court. Miami is just as good when Lebron is on the bench.

Look for Rose to win the MVP this year. How far his team goes remains to be seen.

[Trollsmasher]

With an exception of FT%, there is not a single aspect of basketball Derrick Rose has ever been or will ever be better at than LeBron James.

[arifgokcen]

Dude just give up the trolling arent you bored

[Mr. Incredible]

I can't wait for opening night....

[TheReturn]

I can't wait for opening night....
Me neither. But from the other side of the spectrum. :cheers:

[Bandito]

if your goal is to get the longest neg bar on ISH you have been very successful.

but sometimes ur trolling is so obvious that i can't even neg u for ur lack of creativity
It is arguable at least. Kobe and Wade were on Lebron's tier but unfortunately injuries and age has taken their toll. We just have to see how Rose plays in the season/playoffs as he hasn't play in forever.

Rose has always been an excellent player with great talent and reflexes for basketball.

[Go Getter]

Not yet, but possibly when Lebron slows and if Durant stumbles....the window of any guy the height of Rose will be small(ish) though.

[pauk]

:facepalm

So I'm trolling because I think Rose is the best player? ROFL

Passing- I give it to Rose. He's the PG of a contending team.

Shooting- Rose, more range and can create shots at will. Improved 3 point shot.

Defense- Tie. Rose is the better man defender but Lebron is a decent man defender but great at help.

Leadership- Rose because this Chicago team is different with him on the court. Miami is just as good when Lebron is on the bench.

Look for Rose to win the MVP this year. How far his team goes remains to be seen.

lol....

That neg bars size is not enough....

[Jameerthefear]

It is arguable at least. Kobe and Wade were on Lebron's tier but unfortunately injuries and age has taken their toll. We just have to see how Rose plays in the season/playoffs as he hasn't play in forever.

Rose has always been an excellent player with great talent and reflexes for basketball.
the only one who has been close to Lebron's tier these past couple years is Durant and 2011 Dwight imo.

[Nuff Said]

He's not even better than durant

[pauk]

He's not even better than durant

Durant? Hell, how about Westbrook?

[Jameerthefear]

Durant? Hell, how about Westbrook?
He's better than Westbrook.

[avonbarksdale]

lol

[livinglegend]

weak trolling attempt...



very weak

[Trollsmasher]

He's better than Westbrook.
no

[Jameerthefear]

no
Yes he is. Really if you think WB is better than Rose there is something wrong with you.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Yes he is. Really if you think WB is better than Rose there is something wrong with you.

Statistically, they're close. With Westbrook though, you also get the mental toughness you can't expect from Rose.

[Le Shaqtus]

Yes he is. Really if you think WB is better than Rose there is something wrong with you.

Agreed.

Rose and Westbrook are essentially the same type of player. Except where as Russel plays with reckless abandon, Rose plays the same way but with more finesse and control. He's also a better play maker. I'll give a slight edge of defense to Russel because he plays with much more tenacity. Rose also takes smarter shots as well.

My only knock on Rose is that he can't hit his free throws in crunch time, but I know that is something he can improve on. This mental toughness thing is linked to his refusal to play last season which is bullshit. He was right to sit out and look at how he's playing now.

[9erempiree]

Agreed.

Rose and Westbrook are essentially the same type of player. Except where as Russel plays with reckless abandon, Rose plays the same way but with more finesse and control. He's also a better play maker. I'll give a slight edge of defense to Russel because he plays with much more tenacity. Rose also takes smarter shots as well.

My only knock on Rose is that he can't hit his free throws in crunch time, but I know that is something he can improve on. This mental toughness thing is linked to his refusal to play last season which is bullshit. He was right to sit out and look at how he's playing now.

Besides my very own posts, this has got to be the smartest post in this thread.

[LikeABosh]

:facepalm

So I'm trolling because I think Rose is the best player? ROFL

Passing- I give it to Rose. He's the PG of a contending team.

Shooting- Rose, more range and can create shots at will. Improved 3 point shot.

Defense- Tie. Rose is the better man defender but Lebron is a decent man defender but great at help.

Leadership- Rose because this Chicago team is different with him on the court. Miami is just as good when Lebron is on the bench.

Look for Rose to win the MVP this year. How far his team goes remains to be seen.
Lmao wrong on every point

[Go Getter]

Agreed.

Rose and Westbrook are essentially the same type of player. Except where as Russel plays with reckless abandon, Rose plays the same way but with more finesse and control. He's also a better play maker. I'll give a slight edge of defense to Russel because he plays with much more tenacity. Rose also takes smarter shots as well.

My only knock on Rose is that he can't hit his free throws in crunch time, but I know that is something he can improve on. This mental toughness thing is linked to his refusal to play last season which is bullshit. He was right to sit out and look at how he's playing now.
You don't watch the Bulls enough to make your evaluation in the 60+ win season he hit PLENTY of clutch free throws to help us win games most notably in my mind three to win over the Pacers and Darren Collison.

[russwest0]

Anyone care to tell me how Rose is better than Kevin Durant?

[Le Shaqtus]

You don't watch the Bulls enough to make your evaluation in the 60+ win season he hit PLENTY of clutch free throws to help us win games most notably in my mind three to win over the Pacers and Darren Collison.

I can say whatever I want, whether you agree with me or not is up to you.

Lets just ignore all the good stuff I said about Rose and focus on the one minor negative thing I said about him.

[Nastradamus]

Rose and Westbrook are the same player. People need to start realizing that.

[Ikill]

I wish he was I like his game a lot better than Lebrons or Durants

[russwest0]

Rose and Westbrook are the same player. People need to start realizing that.

Basically, except Westbrook is a better defender and rebounder.

[Go Getter]

I can say whatever I want, whether you agree with me or not is up to you.

Lets just ignore all the good stuff I said about Rose and focus on the one minor negative thing I said about him.
Saying that he can't hit clutch free throws is wrong. He has done that. It is a fact that he has done that. So when I correct you because you obviously haven't watched him enough to gauge this [you remember the Memphis game like a casual fan] don't get all butt hurt.

[nathanjizzle]

Basically, except Westbrook is a better defender and rebounder.

in 2011 rose averaged 28 points and 7 assists against the top 8 teams in the nba. westbrook averaged 19 and 5

the same player :confusedshrug:

[Go Getter]

Basically, except Westbrook is a better defender and rebounder.
Lol....RW can't even guard Rose. Rose can guard RW. Case closed.

If Rose teamed up with Durant it would be curtains for the league.

[Cali Syndicate]

Rose and Westbrook are the same player. People need to start realizing that.

Except Rose is a better PG. As scorers, I would say very comparable. Both like to work that midrange pull up, are excellent slashers and shot jack threes more than they should. But it's easy to see which of the two understands the elements of their position better. Defensively though, I'd give Westbrook the nod. Westbrook is probably one of the best rebounding guards as well. Dude just jumps absurdly high.

[Le Shaqtus]

Saying that he can't hit clutch free throws is wrong. He has done that. It is a fact that he has done that. So when I correct you because you obviously haven't watched him enough to gauge this [you remember the Memphis game like a casual fan] don't get all butt hurt.

ok

[BoutPractice]

While both players are somewhat similar, Rose is better because he has a better feel for the game. Don't get me wrong, he's no Jason Kidd or Chris Paul, but he's got this raw instinct on how to react and adapt to situations that Westbrook lacks. Westbrook is all about willpower, he thinks "I'm going to do this to you" then does it because he's more athletic and fearless than anyone else, but if things don't go his way he'll only reluctantly adjust.

[inclinerator]

bumping this on game day

[Go Getter]

Except Rose is a better PG. As scorers, I would say very comparable. Both like to work that midrange pull up, are excellent slashers and shot jack threes more than they should. But it's easy to see which of the two understands the elements of their position better. Defensively though, I'd give Westbrook the nod. Westbrook is probably one of the best rebounding guards as well. Dude just jumps absurdly high.


Yeah but RW can't guard Rose. I've never seen the coach [VDN or Thibs] switch Rose off of other team's star PG because he was getting cooked.

Also, Rose has been a proven #1 scorer on a team without a #2 scorer. No team is going to double RW all game with KD in the team. Until RW has to be the #1 guy for a full season I cannot say he is as good a scorer as Rose.

I don't doubt he could do it, but I also feel like his lack of feel for the game as you say would render him quite ineffective.

[inclinerator]

bumping this on game day
bump

[plowking]

Yeah but RW can't guard Rose. I've never seen the coach [VDN or Thibs] switch Rose off of other team's star PG because he was getting cooked.

Also, Rose has been a proven #1 scorer on a team without a #2 scorer. No team is going to double RW all game with KD in the team. Until RW has to be the #1 guy for a full season I cannot say he is as good a scorer as Rose.

I don't doubt he could do it, but I also feel like his lack of feel for the game as you say would render him quite ineffective.

Some of the worst analysis I've seen, and funnily enough, its a Bulls fan providing it.

Westbrook is a better defender. Always has been up to this point, and most likely, always will be. Its not arguable. RW can't guard Rose? Same goes the other way. Big revelation.

No one is going to double Westbrook because he has Durant on the team? Watch a Thunder game. Its Westbrook getting doubled and trapped, not the other way around. Westbrook is the one that drives and dishes. Why would a coach force his best shooter in the thick of the action? Oh wait, he doesn't. Hence why you see Durant receive so many passes, and shoot, at times wide open 3 pointers as the defense sinks in on Westbrook.

Awful post from you, as usual. I think everyone is thankful you post less in the NBA forum these days.

[CHi1PriDe]

Hey, I'm a die hard bulls fan but I believe lebron is the best player and it's not even close right now. I just hate the fact that he had to join wade and bosh and I really think he could of won a chip with the Cavs. Lebron has all the talent in the world but he does have 2 superstars with him.

But Rose did turn the Bulls franchise around. He brought us to the playoffs against a beastly celtics team win VDN as our couch and we been to the playoffs ever since :cheers:

[aj1987]

Hey, I'm a die hard bulls fan but I believe lebron is the best player and it's not even close right now. I just hate the fact that he had to join wade and bosh and I really think he could of won a chip with the Cavs. Lebron has all the talent in the world but he does have 2 superstars with him.

But Rose did turn the Bulls franchise around. He brought us to the playoffs against a beastly celtics team win VDN as our couch and we been to the playoffs ever since :cheers:
Bosh is NOT a superstar. A superstar scores more than 0 in a Game 7 of the freaking Finals.

[Bigsmoke]

Hey, I'm a die hard bulls fan but I believe lebron is the best player and it's not even close right now. I just hate the fact that he had to join wade and bosh and I really think he could of won a chip with the Cavs. Lebron has all the talent in the world but he does have 2 superstars with him.

But Rose did turn the Bulls franchise around. He brought us to the playoffs against a beastly celtics team win VDN as our couch and we been to the playoffs ever since :cheers:
u can't watch Wade and Bosh today and say they are still some superstars.

LeBron would have a easier trip to each of his Finals if he were to play for the Bulls so why joining older Wade and Bosh is a crime?

[DMAVS41]

Rose fans really need to check their bias if they actually think Rose is on a different level than Westbrook as a player.

Durant and Rose would have faired no better to date than Westbrook and Durant.

Oh...and Westbrook is the better defender.

[CHi1PriDe]

Bosh is NOT a superstar. A superstar scores more than 0 in a Game 7 of the freaking Finals.

Bosh before joining the heat, he was a 24/11player which is pretty beastly and Probably the 2nd best PF next to dirk and wade was probably the 2nd best sg next to kobe.

Majority of the chicago fans wanted bosh to come to the chi. if not, stat was the 2nd choice but we ended up with boozer which ended up being better :rockon:

[CHi1PriDe]

Rose fans really need to check their bias if they actually think Rose is on a different level than Westbrook as a player.

Durant and Rose would have faired no better to date than Westbrook and Durant.

Oh...and Westbrook is the better defender.

Rose's defensive ratings > westbrook

[plowking]

Bosh before joining the heat, he was a 24/11player which is pretty beastly and Probably the 2nd best PF next to dirk and wade was probably the 2nd best sg next to kobe.

Majority of the chicago fans wanted bosh to come to the chi. if not, stat was the 2nd choice but we ended up with boozer which ended up being better :rockon:

Bosh made 1 All NBA team prior to joining the Heat. Its still at 1.

Hes not as good as cracked up to be. Hes a good player, just not a superstar.

[aj1987]

Bosh before joining the heat, he was a 24/11player which is pretty beastly and Probably the 2nd best PF next to dirk and wade was probably the 2nd best sg next to kobe.

Majority of the chicago fans wanted bosh to come to the chi. if not, stat was the 2nd choice but we ended up with boozer which ended up being better :rockon:
Last season Bosh averaged less than Deng and Boozer? Are they both superstars?

Bosh is a good player, but he's not even close to being a superstar.

Wade is a superstar. Anyone who says different is an idiot.

[LilEddyCurry]

This guy comes back with a new and improved game. He looks better than ever and if he had Miami's loaded team, he could easily be in Lebron's spot. In my opinion, he's the greatest player in basketball today.

Lebron may have a better career so far but Rose is the better player.

The torch will be passed this year.

Rose
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
CP3
This clown in banned :applause:

[coin24]

Bosh before joining the heat, he was a 24/11player which is pretty beastly and Probably the 2nd best PF next to dirk and wade was probably the 2nd best sg next to kobe.

Majority of the chicago fans wanted bosh to come to the chi. if not, stat was the 2nd choice but we ended up with boozer which ended up being better :rockon:


Bosh was a beast on the Raptors. He seems happy to just plod along on the Heat now though.. Some nights he can still go off, has a great jumper and decent post moves.. Shame hes wasting his prime as a 3rd/4th option

[plowking]

Rose's defensive ratings > westbrook

Thats because Chicago collectively is better defensively as a team. Rose is a poor defender.

[coin24]

Last season Bosh averaged less than Deng and Boozer? Are they both superstars?

Bosh is a good player, but he's not even close to being a superstar.

Wade is a superstar. Anyone who says different is an idiot.

He WAS, but yeah currently hes a role player, 3rd to 4th option most nights..

[CHi1PriDe]

Last season Bosh averaged less than Deng and Boozer? Are they both superstars?

Bosh is a good player, but he's not even close to being a superstar.

Wade is a superstar. Anyone who says different is an idiot.

WTF? Are you retarded? Before lebron joined Bosh, Bosh was killing. Who gives a shit about last season, lebron obviously decreased bosh's potential :facepalm

[CHi1PriDe]

Thats because Chicago collectively is better defensively as a team. Rose is a poor defender.

The bulls actually get better defensively better with rose playing while he was healthy and the thunder got worse on defense with westbrook playing.

[KyleKong]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5pc-z9GQ4ck/UEyuqjqB60I/AAAAAAAACxU/f0dK5Tl8a5s/s1600/samuel-l-jackson-banned.gif

[russwest0]

Rose's defensive ratings > westbrook

Yeah and Durant had like the best defensive ratings in the league last year but I'm not taking him over Paul George or Tony Allen

[aj1987]

WTF? Are you retarded? Before lebron joined Bosh, Bosh was killing. Who gives a shit about last season, lebron obviously decreased bosh's potential :facepalm
Are all Chicago fans retarded? Lebron makes Bosh grab less rebounds and it's Lebron's fault that most big men in the NBA make Bosh their bitch, right? Lebron made Bosh go 0-5 in Game 7 of the NBA Finals, right? Name ONE superstar who scored 0 points in a Finals game in his prime.

You must've never seen Bosh play. Shaq was calling Bosh the Rupaul of big men long before he joined the Heat. The guy is as soft as a marshmallow.

If Chris Bosh is a superstar, so are Deng (17/7/5) and Boozer (20/11/4). :facepalm

[plowking]

The bulls actually get better defensively better with rose playing while he was healthy and the thunder got worse on defense with westbrook playing.

No they don't.

All stats and metrics showed the opposite.

Back in his MVP season, they were better defensive with CJ Watson on the court with all other players staying the same.

EDIT: And a one time All NBA 2nd team player is not a superstar. Its really not up for debate. Latrell Sprewell for example purposes has made more all NBA teams.

[poido123]

Thats because Chicago collectively is better defensively as a team. Rose is a poor defender.


Not poor, but pretty average.

He gets beaten off the dribble too often and sometimes loses his man off a high screen. He does however stay in front of his man on most occasions and does put energy into staying with his man somewhat even off the ball, which is what you can't say about "poor defenders".

[FPJ]

Rose winning that BS MVP was the worst thing that could happen to Bulls fans.

People like to hate on any award winners like mad and try everything to discredit their performance. Unlike many NBA great players, Rose gives you many opportunities to talk shit about him and makes his defenders look silly.

[NumberSix]

Not poor, but pretty average.

He gets beaten off the dribble too often and sometimes loses his man off a high screen. He does however stay in front of his man on most occasions and does put energy into staying with his man somewhat even off the ball, which is what you can't say about "poor defenders".
Derrick Rose is underrated defensively. I've always given him credit for what he does defensively. Nobody else seems to. He's much better than average. The problem is, because he's one of the least valuable defensive players on his team, people assume he's just all out bad. He isn't. He's quite good actually. You just don't realize it by comparison.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Bosh was a beast on the Raptors. He seems happy to just plod along on the Heat now though.. Some nights he can still go off, has a great jumper and decent post moves.. Shame hes wasting his prime as a 3rd/4th option

nikka got two rings yo

[poido123]

Derrick Rose is underrated defensively. I've always given him credit for what he does defensively. Nobody else seems to. He's much better than average. The problem is, because he's one of the least valuable defensive players on his team, people assume he's just all out bad. He isn't. He's quite good actually. You just don't realize it by comparison.


No man, there's no illusion. While he might be underrated defensively, he is no better than an average defender. With his athleticism and speed, he should be able to clamp on players and put more pressure on than he does, but he simply doesn't have that skill in his game. Like I said, he does try to stay in front of his man and try to keep with his man off the ball, but he doesn't create steal opportunities, play the passing lanes and he doesn't hound the opponent man on man near enough.

Thanks for not being a complete retard.

BTW, I was thoroughly disappointed in Rose today. He looked defeated and seemed to not of learnt how to overcome the traps etc that has haunted him in the past...

Butler and Boozer were positives, but Rose's decision making was pretty poor. Couple of good early drives, but then he became overwhelmed by good Heat defense.

[Lebron23]

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[Go Getter]

No man, there's no illusion. While he might be underrated defensively, he is no better than an average defender. With his athleticism and speed, he should be able to clamp on players and put more pressure on than he does, but he simply doesn't have that skill in his game. Like I said, he does try to stay in front of his man and try to keep with his man off the ball, but he doesn't create steal opportunities, play the passing lanes and he doesn't hound the opponent man on man near enough.

Thanks for not being a complete retard.

BTW, I was thoroughly disappointed in Rose today. He looked defeated and seemed to not of learnt how to overcome the traps etc that has haunted him in the past...

Butler and Boozer were positives, but Rose's decision making was pretty poor. Couple of good early drives, but then he became overwhelmed by good Heat defense.

I disagree. Rose is very good at staying in front of his man and contesting shots. He is better than average at his position at defensive rebounding and blocking shots. THe thing that miffs me is he doesn't get many steals....that part you are right about. With his speed and quickness he should at least average 2 steals a game.

He is still very rusty and he is starting to press a bit. The Bulls just aren't a very talented team and they haven't been hitting outside shots. Currently I don't think this team is better than our team the last two years but there is time to develop. I hope for the best but my mind is telling me we will see a rusty Rose all year basically with him rounding into form late in the year.

One thing that shows promise is the 7/0 asst/to last game.

[Hoopz2332]

:coleman:

[MightyWhitey]

This guy comes back with a new and improved game. He looks better than ever and if he had Miami's loaded team, he could easily be in Lebron's spot. In my opinion, he's the greatest player in basketball today.

Lebron may have a better career so far but Rose is the better player.

The torch will be passed this year.

Rose
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
CP3
:roll: he's the greatest injured player in basketball today:lol

[LeBron 06]

:lol :facepalm

[Go Getter]

:lol :facepalm
:facepalm you searching for a year-old inactive thread to talk shit in.

[Undisputed]

:lol :facepalm
You know, I have found that the more you taunt people's misfortunes in life, the more likely you will receive misfortune.

The joke is really on you for being a d!ckhead. No one respects someone who kicks the dog while it's down.

[Crystallas]

Trolling works. Point proven.