~UFC 166: Cain Vs. Junior Dos Santos III (Trilogy)

[$LakerGold]

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Main card PPV:
Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos
Daniel Cormier vs. Roy Nelson
Gilbert Melendez vs. Diego Sanchez
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shawn Jordan
John Dodson vs. Darrell Montague

Prelims (Fox Sports 1):
C.B. Dollaway vs. Tim Boetsch
Nate Marquardt vs. Hector Lombard
Sarah Kaufman vs. Jessica Eye
George Sotiropoulos vs. K.J. Noons

Prelims (Facebook):
T.J. Waldburger vs. Adlan Amagov
Anthony Ferguson vs. Mike Rio
Andre Fili vs. Jeremy Larsen
Dustin Pague vs. Kyoji Horiguchi



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Gigantes's take:

Cain Vs. JDS - JDS has a lot of things in his favor this time around. His marital issues are settled, he's motivated like holy fire to get the belt back, and his team has had a long time to work on his weaknesses and possibly even develop some traps for when Cain shoots on him. specifically, knowing that junior can be taken down repeatedly yet can't be finished has to be an enormous plus. it will allow him to take extra risks, like throwing a choice knee or uppercut when Cain is changing levels, or maybe even doing something interesting when he's hopping against the fence with Cain on the ground, clinging to the ankle. Cain is still Cain, but slight edge to JDS this time, probably by TKO. of course i'll be thrilled if i'm wrong.

Cormier Vs. Nelson - Roy has to hit the big punch or he's sunk. otherwise i expect cormier to grind him down and tire him out. of course nelson lost a tonne of weight for this fight, so that's an x-factor. Cormier by decision, but probably not without getting in to danger along the way.

Gilbert Melendez Vs. Diego Sanchez - Melendez is just too good. I think he, Josh Thompson, Bendo and Pettis are the big four of their division, with everyone else at a lower tier right now. Gil by TKO.

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#WarCain

[MavsSuperFan]

Cain should win. Junior has a punchers chance

[jamal99]

I got Cain winning this by either TKO in later rounds or decision.

[SourPatchKids]

ooh, kj noons, george sotiropolous, and cb dolloway all on the card!

[SourPatchKids]

oh and nightmare too!

[gigantes]

dangit, i couldn't restrain myself. so i bought myself a half bottle (1/10th) of decent whiskey to celebrate watching some of my favorite fighters war (cain, cormier, nelson, melendez) and i've already started in through sheer impatience. i blame godzuki.


the way i see the big fight is this-- as jack slack (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1811628-killing-the-king-cain-velasquez) points out, junior will surely have developed a whole bunch of traps and counters for when cain leads with his head and shoots. that's very, very scary if you're a cain fan... which i am, heavily.

the question is-- how does cain counter that? did he try to polish his boxing, hoping to trick the better boxer in to pure standup so that he can shoot more effectively? does he go back to kickboxing the lead leg in junior's diaz-heavy front foot, like in cain-junior I? or did he just do what he publically said he did, and try to polish his all-around skillset so as to take the fight anywhere? (cain is a brown belt in BJJ, i recall)


anyway... whoever wins this, IMO it's not fair to either man to keep matching them up just because dana white does whatever the hell he wants. no no, the other guys... barnett, werdum, browne, maybe overeem with a win, maybe hunt with two nice wins, maybe nelson against cain if he upsets cormier... all deserve some cracks at the belt IMO.


people know cain and junior are virtually equal #1's at this point. it's time for some variety after this. cain's last five fights have been as follows:

-junior
-bigfoot
-junior
-bigfoot
-junior

#lackoff--kingvariety,danayoudipshit!

[$LakerGold]

I see this fight going to the ground all 5 rounds, or maybe not. If it doesn't go to the ground, then I see JDS catching him, or Cain putting the beating on him once again. It's just very hard to predict, knowing that this is a mentally ready & very motivated JDS. If the fight does goes to the ground, I wonder if his Jiu-Jitsu will be there, I wonder if he trusts it. Because, on their 2nd fight, it was non-existent, his Jiu-Jitsu was nowhere to be found. lol

I just hope that JDS is ready for war. I love em' both. But, I think Cain is still going to win this.

[Jameerthefear]

when does this start?

[SourPatchKids]

when does this start?

1 hour and 24 minutes ago

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/10/ufc-166-play-by-play-and-live-results

http://www.sportlemon.tv/20131019/vv526294991b41e0.31831615-666385.html

if you only wanna watch the big fights, come back in around an hour

[$LakerGold]

Adlan Amagov is a scary dude :O

[Jameerthefear]

1 hour and 24 minutes ago

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/10/ufc-166-play-by-play-and-live-results

http://www.sportlemon.tv/20131019/vv526294991b41e0.31831615-666385.html

if you only wanna watch the big fights, come back in around an hour
Meant the title fight :D but thanks. Nice streams too. I was watching college football otherwise I would have watched most of the fights :D

[SourPatchKids]

title fight is like 3rd or 4th best fight on the card imo

[$LakerGold]

http://i.imgur.com/x1r7IPf.png

[$LakerGold]

title fight is like 3rd or 4th best fight on the card imo
Are you high too?

[Jameerthefear]

title fight is like 3rd or 4th best fight on the card imo
what do you recommend i watch then?

[SourPatchKids]

what do you recommend i watch then?
kj vs sotirolous

the cb dolloway fight

all of the main card

[Jameerthefear]

kj vs sotirolous

the cb dolloway fight

all of the main card
thanks. will do :D

[Andrew Wiggins]

these 13-14 year olds acting like mma experts :facepalm :roll:

[Brujesino]

these 13-14 year olds acting like mma experts :facepalm :roll:
but but but........CB Dollaway mma legend!!!!

[gigantes]

these 13-14 year olds acting like mma experts :facepalm :roll:
f--k you. jameer and our other young bros have a right to their opinion. everyone here has equal right to contribute or express their thoughts.


and... oh... so you were just doing the same? oh. well, still... f--k you.


okay... i think i will just nap until the main fights start. >_<

[Jameerthefear]

these 13-14 year olds acting like mma experts :facepalm :roll:
what? all i did was ask when the fight started.

[Brujesino]

bruj, you place any bets tonight?
i cant my card for some reason wont work for any of the sites:cry:

[$LakerGold]

these 13-14 year olds acting like mma experts :facepalm :roll:

At least they have something to offer to the discussion.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

I hope JDS wins so beaners stop bragging about Cain.

[Andrew Wiggins]

f--k you. jameer and our other young bros have a right to their opinion. everyone here has equal right to contribute or express their thoughts.


and... oh... so you were just doing the same? oh. well, still... f--k you.


okay... i think i will just nap until the main fights start. >_<

watch it, all this heavy breathing on the kids could get you arrested in some states :biggums:

[Andrew Wiggins]

I hope JDS wins so beaners stop bragging about Cain.

isn't he american?


what? all i did was ask when the fight started.

i wasn't talking about you

[B-Low]

Jessica Eye pretty damn cute. And from Cleveland. Go her.

[gigantes]

watch it, all this heavy breathing on the kids could get you arrested in some states :biggums:
true, true. yet i live in a crazy world in which any of our bros (and young bros) can say something equally valid, interesting, inspirational.


no, i don't have a high opinion of civilisation and modern adulthood as it is. actually, i have a very low opinion of those. no, i like people on ISH who work past the bullshit of civilisation and strive to touch their own true selves. they are bros and inspirations, both. <3


so maybe you should take a lesson from your little brother ender sometime, mate. :cheers:

[$LakerGold]

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Dave Farra earlier on FB.

[Brujesino]

bruj, you place any bets tonight?
oh **** iam back in business!!!

$2 parlay Cain,Gil,Jordan,Dodson and boetsch

$10 on Boetsch

[B-Low]

Wow I wanted Eye to win but I don't agree that she actually did :oldlol:

[$LakerGold]

Close fight. But I had Jessica Eye winning the 1st 2 rounds.

[B-Low]

Random pic I came across when I googled Jessica Eye. Dem sum strong legz :eek:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/945531_473630066051507_893315307_n.jpg

[$LakerGold]

Someone is onto something. haha

[B-Low]

Lombard walks like an unrealistic cartoon gorilla. I hate it.

[Brujesino]

Hector looks ****ing crazy at 170

[B-Low]

Well there we go :oldlol:

[Brujesino]

****ing crazy

[gigantes]

something interesting?


it's not 10PM yet, mofos.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

isn't he american?
I'm not sure but beaners are always praising him sprouting their Mexican pride nonsense.

[gigantes]

I'm not sure but beaners are always praising him sprouting their Mexican pride nonsense.
what mexican pride nonsense are you talking about?


cain is as direct a tribute as there is to being thankful to being american and being thankful to being mexican as it gets.


so what are you really trying to say, dipshit?

[Andrew Wiggins]

what mexican pride nonsense are you talking about?


cain is as direct a tribute as there is to being thankful to being american and being thankful to being mexican as it gets.


so what are you really trying to say, dipshit?

i just checked and he's born in america and brought up in america. doesn't sound as mexican as it gets to me?

why you mad though? :biggums: :lol

[$LakerGold]

what mexican pride nonsense are you talking about?


cain is as direct a tribute as there is to being thankful to being american and being thankful to being mexican as it gets.


so what are you really trying to say, dipshit?
He got beat up by Mexicans in HS. Now he hates Mexicans. :oldlol:

[$LakerGold]

It baffles me every time I hear JDS say that Cain hits like a girl.' :oldlol:

[B-Low]

It baffles me every time I hear JDS say that Cain hits like a girl.' :oldlol:


"It's merely a flesh wound!"

http://www.fighthubtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mma-ufc155-jpg_053742.jpg

[Brujesino]

It baffles me every time I hear JDS say that Cain hits like a girl.' :oldlol:
it was a joke

[Brujesino]

C.B Diaz?

[gigantes]

i just checked and he's born in america and brought up in america. doesn't sound as mexican as it gets to me?

why you mad though? :biggums: :lol
i wasn't particularly "mad," but if you want to throw down, that could certainly be fun. :cheers:


cain has all his roots in mexico, and he was brought up in one of the most mexico-influenced states in the USA.


what are you actually trying to say, andrew? why don't you just say what you really want to, eh?

[Brujesino]

Hes up against the ****ing fence with his hands up in the air with a smile.

Punch him in the ****ing face!

[Brujesino]

I'm not sure but beaners are always praising him sprouting their Mexican pride nonsense.
We got nothing else to do when mowing lawns.

[Jameerthefear]

Wow that was a bad poke.

[Andrew Wiggins]

i wasn't particularly "mad," but if you want to throw down, that could certainly be fun. :cheers:


cain has all his roots in mexico, and he was brought up in one of the most mexico-influenced states in the USA.


what are you actually trying to say, andrew? why don't you just say what you really want to, eh?

Stop butchering the English language and you might get a cogent response. :lol


this is the stream I'm watching, I might link y'all if you give me a good enough reason http://i39.tinypic.com/qsmnww.png

[B-Low]

knocked the spit outta this dude :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

Stop butchering the English language and you might get a cogent response. :lol


this is the stream I'm watching, I might link y'all if you give me a good enough reason http://i39.tinypic.com/qsmnww.png
i have these fights on tv, but i need the main card fight :cry:
ill send you dick pics :D

[Andrew Wiggins]

i have these fights on tv, but i need the main card fight :cry:
ill send you dick pics :D

that's f*cking disgusting. ignore list for you from now on young padawan

[Brujesino]

oh **** iam back in business!!!

$2 parlay Cain,Gil,Jordan,Dodson and boetsch

$10 on Boetsch
sweet

[Jameerthefear]

that's f*cking disgusting. ignore list for you from now on young padawan
i repped you :(
i just want a hd link. i bet i can find it though anyways lol

[arkain]

Stop butchering the English language and you might get a cogent response. :lol


this is the stream I'm watching, I might link y'all if you give me a good enough reason http://i39.tinypic.com/qsmnww.png

that's a free stream? no way, surely you're paying for that

[Andrew Wiggins]

that's a free stream? no way, surely you're paying for that

yea brah, i'm paying for something i'm watching on quicktime player :lol

dat quality
http://i.imgur.com/s27izGC.jpg

[$LakerGold]

#WarDodson

[arkain]

yea brah, i'm paying for something i'm watching on quicktime player :lol

dat quality
http://i.imgur.com/s27izGC.jpg

damn nice, mind sharing the link for the stream? i couldn't find anything that high res for free

[Brujesino]

goddamn sick

[gigantes]

Stop butchering the English language and you might get a cogent response. :lol


this is the stream I'm watching, I might link y'all if you give me a good enough reason

http://i39.tinypic.com/qsmnww.png
what exactly are you upset about, andrew?

[Qwyjibo]

Gonzaga the HW gatekeeper. A solid one to have around in the UFC though.

[$LakerGold]

what exactly are you upset about, andrew?
Why do you even bother?

[Brujesino]

Gonzaga won because of the mustache

[gigantes]

Why do you even bother?
he worked in "cogent." that's a tad rare amongst his kind. :lol

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

lol, they're really trying to hype hendricks vs GSP. Hendricks has absolutely no chance, GSP will just take him down and hold him there like he does in every other fight.

[Brujesino]

Come on Gil!!!

[Qwyjibo]

Awesome 1st round. It was cool to see how calm Melendez was when Diego took his back. He calmly walks to the cage, peels of his leg and turns right into him. I don't think I've seen it handled that well before.

[Fudge]

This Gon Be Goood

[$LakerGold]

That is nasty...

[$LakerGold]

Very nasty cut...omg..

[Fudge]

Diegos strikes and kicks are waaay too slow. Melendez is feeding him with so many counter shots

[Fudge]

Okkkk I See U Diego

[Qwyjibo]

Noooooo why did he go for the sub? Keep punching!

[Fudge]

What a ****ing fight

[Qwyjibo]

Flashbacks to Korean Zombie - Garcia I

[Brujesino]

Gil won that shit but goddamn Diego is a beast

[Fudge]

Wowowowowowow

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Good fight but diego lost :(

[gigantes]

mother of god, sanchez melendez, absolutely incredible.

[Qwyjibo]

Gil knew he had it won. That why he stalled at the end of the 3rd. Smart move. I wonder if Diego had a shot to end it if he didn't go for the sub.

[raiderfan19]

Good lord Diego is a monster(clearly he lost but still) his chin is just ridiculous

[$LakerGold]

What A Fcuking Fight. Oh My God.

[Zan Tabak]

Diego is an exciting ass fighter to watch. That sh!t was crazy....

[qrich]

Anyone have a working stream?

Black Box went down

[Brujesino]

Anyone have a working stream?

Black Box went down
http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/215472/4/watch-ufc-166-:-velasquez-vs-dos-santos.html

not the greatest stream

[qrich]

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/215472/4/watch-ufc-166-:-velasquez-vs-dos-santos.html

not the greatest stream


Using this one

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/215472/11/watch-ufc-166-:-velasquez-vs-dos-santos.html

Which is more up to the timeframe?

[Brujesino]

the way the UFC ranks fighters is ****ing stupid the #1 fighter really is the #2 because they dont count the champion.

[Brujesino]

Using this one

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/215472/11/watch-ufc-166-:-velasquez-vs-dos-santos.html

Which is more up to the timeframe?
Well the sound is better on the one i posted but it started to freeze on me so iam gonna use yours.

[qrich]

Yeah, I have to keep refreshing.

Waiting for the black box to update. Have the Alvarado - Provo fight on there for now

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.sportlemon.tv/20131019/vv526294991b41e0.31831615-666385.html

[MJ(Mean John)]

http://www.sportlemon.tv/20131019/vv526294991b41e0.31831615-666385.html

Anyone know if you can stream on tablets or iphone/smart phone

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Wow, Roy lost weight.

[Qwyjibo]

Cormier going for the easy decision win. Roy will probably be exhausted at the start of the 2nd.

Just like Diego-Gil, Roy can take the punishment but Cormier is too fast for him.

[Qwyjibo]

And that fight went exactly as everyone expected.

[magic chiongson]

main event after this?

[gigantes]

oh shit did roy call daniel uncl3 tom at the end of the 3rd?

[Fudge]

I want JDS to win, but Cain's got this.

[$LakerGold]

Here we go bitches!!!!! Let's do this Cain!!!!!

[Patrick Chewing]

Ay Jesus, in what country is this fight in??

[Brujesino]

:oldlol: joe is surrounded by mexicans

[$LakerGold]

Houston.

[SourPatchKids]

Most intense pace in a heavyweight bout I've seen in a while

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Cain is such a p*ssy. Get his ass kicked standing up so he takes JDS down and opns him to the fence like a B*tch.

[Qwyjibo]

JDS basically needs to knock Cain out in the first few seconds a round. Cain grinds out the round (and eventually the fight) otherwise.

[Patrick Chewing]

As soon as JDS gets space, he waits till Cain swarms him again. Throw a punch!

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Seriously, how do you fight a guy who p*ssies out and pushes you to the fence all fight long?

[Qwyjibo]

Seriously, how do you fight a guy who p*ssies out and pushes you to the fence all fight long?
I don't like it either (since I'm rooting for JDS) but if it works? Why not? Winning is the only thing that matters.

[Fudge]

Holy **** I hate Cain.

[Qwyjibo]

JDS is in zombie mode. This fight is probably done. Cain should at the very least be able to grind the rest of the fight out.

[Fudge]

JDS is just teasing us... Watch him go all out these next few rounds.

[Patrick Chewing]

JDS is one tough son of a bitch

[raiderfan19]

Cain is absolutely a monster

[Qwyjibo]

And that one went pretty much as expected too. JDS doesn't have enough gas to last long in such a grueling fight.

[gigantes]

dear sweet mother 8n heaven.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Cain is bad for the UFC. If we're gonna get 25 minutes of him holding his opponent to the fence I'd rather watch frasier.

[arkain]

Cain had a good gameplan. Sure everyone would love to see him stand and trade with JDS but JDS is the only winner if you go down that route. You play to your strengths not the other guys'.

[raiderfan19]

Cain is bad for the UFC. If we're gonna get 25 minutes of him holding his opponent to the fence I'd rather watch frasier.
You are acting like this was couture vs Vera. He absolutely ****ed jds up on the cage. He did a ton of damage. He never just stalled. If you don't recognize that for the dominant performance it was, go watch kick boxing

[andgar923]

Cain is bad for the UFC. If we're gonna get 25 minutes of him holding his opponent to the fence I'd rather watch frasier.

Last time I checked this was UFC not boxing.

Most fighters in the UFC fight on the ground dude.

[Qwyjibo]

Cain is bad for the UFC. If we're gonna get 25 minutes of him holding his opponent to the fence I'd rather watch frasier.
Hate the sport/rules, not the fighter. The goal is to win and it shouldn't matter how.

[B-Low]

You all should know by now to just pretend OJ isn't talking. I don't remember the last time he made a post that wasn't antagonistic/critical of something

[$LakerGold]

That OJ kid is an idiot. He clearly doesn't watch MMA/UFC. Just ignore his stupid ass.

[$LakerGold]

SourPatchKids ... Go watch their 2nd fight.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Hate the sport/rules, not the fighter. The goal is to win and it shouldn't matter how.
If all we can expect from a Cain title defense is 25 minutes of him holding his opponent against the fence then I'll probably skip every match he fights in. It's funny how weak Cain is though. He hit JDS over 300 times and finally got a stoppage. It just shows how weak his pillow like punches are, he's a joke. Well, I already skip every title defense GSP fights in, I guess I won't watch Cain's matches either.

[ClutchOver9000]

Cain is a savage. Two fights now where JDS looked like he literally got mauled by a grizzly.

BTW to all the complainers, tonights performance was no wall and stall. Sure he held JDS to the cage all night but there was no stalling, he was active throughout and he did a fvckton of damage, hurt JDS badly yet again (and to JDS' credit managed to survive much much longer than the average UFC fighter would've).

Credit to Cain, he is the baddest man in the HW division and will be for quite some time.

[gigantes]

let me know when anyone wants to talk MMA. this thread is supposedly about MMA.


P.S. those were some of the greatest fights i've ever seen.

[$LakerGold]

Barnett/Velasquez is what I'm dreaming on now.

[$LakerGold]

let me know when anyone wants to talk MMA. this thread is supposedly about MMA.


P.S. those were some of the greatest fights i've ever seen.
Ignore him.

[arkain]

that's gotta go down as one of the all-time fighting events, i mean the entire card not just the heavyweight fight

i wish there was a way i could see diego sanchez vs diego sanchez

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

That OJ kid is an idiot. He clearly doesn't watch MMA/UFC. Just ignore his stupid ass.
Fvck you cvnt, I've been watching since 2004, it's just sad seeing men fight like girls. Pinning your opponent against the fence is not fighting, he's no better than that pvssy ass Randy Couture and his famous dirty Boxing(Holding your opponent against the fence for the whole fight then somehow winning). UFC needs like a 3 second rule so you can only hold your opponent against it for so long.

[$LakerGold]

This is clearly the first time that he wasn't as entertaining as his previous fights..but okay, let's bitch about that. F*CK OFF.

[Brujesino]

atleast he finished him unlike gsp

[gigantes]

atleast he finished him unlike gsp
c'mon, bro... give up the GSP grudge and celebrate mexico today, eh?


this is one of the greatest MMA days in mexican history AFAIK.

[plowking]

Cain has better stand up than Dos Santos. You can say what you want, but he was beating him to the punch, looked quicker, and has better movement. No doubt Dos Santos has the stronger hands, but as far as stand up, Cain is better, and probably the best. He dominates his opponents at just about every facet.

[CarlosBoozer]

Jds is a good sport, still smiling and laughing after that beating :lol

Jds gonna beast after this, but for now Cain is just unstoppable.

[Brujesino]

c'mon, bro... give up the GSP grudge and celebrate mexico today, eh?


this is one of the greatest MMA days in mexican history AFAIK.
http://4-akamai.tapcdn.com/images/thumbs/taps/2012/07/gsp-gif-gif-image-320-238-pixels-94c2df70-original.gif

gsp is a ****ing animal!!!

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!

[Brujesino]

Cain has better stand up than Dos Santos. You can say what you want, but he was beating him to the punch, looked quicker, and has better movement. No doubt Dos Santos has the stronger hands, but as far as stand up, Cain is better, and probably the best. He dominates his opponents at just about every facet.
nope

The threat of the takedown is what lets Cain beat JDS to the punch.

[Brujesino]

Jds is a good sport, still smiling and laughing after that beating :lol

Jds gonna beast after this, but for now Cain is just unstoppable.
I cant think of anyone that can beat Cain right now.

Hes going to outstrike and outlast Werdum.

Browne i feel is overrated but does have power.

Barnett is the only guy i think has a chance at cain.

Pretty much goes the same with JDS.

[qrich]

That was pretty fun, but not action filled like a lot of people love to claim.

Dos Santos has a hell of a chin though

[gigantes]

http://4-akamai.tapcdn.com/images/thumbs/taps/2012/07/gsp-gif-gif-image-320-238-pixels-94c2df70-original.gif

gsp is a ****ing animal!!!

VIVA MEXICO!!!!!
viva mexico!!

"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."

...

i absolutely cannot believe the way cain absorbed those shots and still mauled JDS yet again. and JDS is one of the greats, who makes other challengers look totally foolish.

:cheers:

[$LakerGold]

viva mexico!!

"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."

...

i absolutely cannot believe the way cain absorbed those shots and still mauled JDS yet again. and JDS is one of the greats, who makes other challengers look totally foolish.

:cheers:

I was rooting for Cain, & I don't get a rep? I see how it is now. :facepalm

:D

[plowking]

nope

The threat of the takedown is what lets Cain beat JDS to the punch.

Nah.

And even if it was the case, its a part of the fight, a constant, so it will never change. Cain has the better stand up.

[qrich]

Is the fight of the night on youtube yet?