Gal Mekel confesses to Coach Nick "NBA quickness and athleticism higher than Europe"

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7nWk4ugZu4k/UmM7SmgntlI/AAAAAAAAEv8/Gu8eq4-7iKU/s800/coach%2520nick%2520euroleague.jpg

http://youtu.be/IxG-8jjDq9Q?t=1m52s

Gal Mekel confesses it is necessary to adjust to the superior quickness and athleticism of the NBA relative to basketball over in Europe, as well as other things such as the longer 3 point line. Not really news, just a reminder that a gap does still exist.

[LikeABosh]

Water is wet

[Jameerthefear]

well the euroleague is like highschool basketball tier. so of course.

[Nuff Said]

Sky is blue

[chips93]

this was a confession? :wtf:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Random straight male confesses he likes boobs.

[MP.Trey]

There's only one person on this board who thinks otherwise so it's not really news. I'd say his name but probably end up getting called a deranged psychopath in defense. :lol

[sportjames23]

We gonna file this under "No shit, Sherlock".

[LosBulls]

His English is really good. I was expecting it to be a lot more broken than that.

[#number6ix#]

Fire is hot

[DuMa]

Gay people are queer

[ispin69]

Mavs should cut him or send him to the d-league. Didn't impress me.

[Euroleague]

Gal Mekel sure would know, seeing as how he played 1 minute in Euroleague in his entire life.

The legendary Euroleague career (59 seconds) of Gal Mekel:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KJP&seasoncode=E2009

Of course Coach Nick is such a freaking moron that he would not actually know the difference between the Israeli League (where Mekel actually played) and the Euroleague, where he is trying to claim he played.

Just more trolling from that clown "Coach" Nick.

Israeli League "Europe".

[Eric Cartman]

Euroleague living rent free in your mind OP?

[CavaliersFTW]

Euroleague living rent free in your mind OP?
Not at all, at no point in time did I mention the Euroleague

[el gringos]

Not at all, at no point in time did I mention the Euroleague
Then what on earth would make you think that statement is thread worthy if you weren't trying to catch euroleague's attention?

[Dr.J4ever]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7nWk4ugZu4k/UmM7SmgntlI/AAAAAAAAEv8/Gu8eq4-7iKU/s800/coach%2520nick%2520euroleague.jpg

http://youtu.be/IxG-8jjDq9Q?t=1m52s

Gal Mekel confesses it is necessary to adjust to the superior quickness and athleticism of the NBA relative to basketball over in Europe, as well as other things such as the longer 3 point line. Not really news, just a reminder that a gap does still exist.
A gap only exists if you are a racist psychopath. For normal people like euroleague(the poster), we are all deranged and lunatics for believing the earth is round and that NBA ball is the highest level in the world. Euroleague knows the secrets to the faked moon landings, Stern conspiring with JVG and the Rockets to keep Vspan in the bench, the NBA conspiring with FIBA to keep Greece out of the Olympics and the World Cup, and of course, Roswell.

Happy Weekend, everyone!:roll:

[SyRyanYang]

so? Doesn't mean the level of the game is higher.

[SpanishACB]

"Coach Nick" probably has the same international awareness as "Average Joe"


Plus, we knew that already. But keep going, at least this thread is an improvement over those you tend to make posting one line and one black and white picture of an old black man.

[Sakkreth]

While that is ofcourse true, u gotta stop taking Europe as a whole when comparing to NBA. Cause shit will look bad if I start compare only Euroleague to D-league and NCAA. And coach nick's international ball knowledge is very low he's also biased and probably even more so after he got ethered here on ish.

[Blue&Orange]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7nWk4ugZu4k/UmM7SmgntlI/AAAAAAAAEv8/Gu8eq4-7iKU/s800/coach%2520nick%2520euroleague.jpg

http://youtu.be/IxG-8jjDq9Q?t=1m52s

Gal Mekel confesses it is necessary to adjust to the superior quickness and athleticism of the NBA relative to basketball over in Europe, as well as other things such as the longer 3 point line. Not really news, just a reminder that a gap does still exist.
You are proud of what exactly? NBA best player best attributes is running and jumping. He just played an NBA finals where the other team dare him to shoot, you know thee fundamental. Are we talking about basketball or track?

[spiegel]

Gal Mekel sure would know, seeing as how he played 1 minute in Euroleague in his entire life.

The legendary Euroleague career (59 seconds) of Gal Mekel:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KJP&seasoncode=E2009

Of course Coach Nick is such a freaking moron that he would not actually know the difference between the Israeli League (where Mekel actually played) and the Euroleague, where he is trying to claim he played.

Just more trolling from that clown "Coach" Nick.

Israeli League "Europe".
Thats 59 more seconds then you ever played.

[gabepizza]

Gal Mekel sure would know, seeing as how he played 1 minute in Euroleague in his entire life.

The legendary Euroleague career (59 seconds) of Gal Mekel:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KJP&seasoncode=E2009

Of course Coach Nick is such a freaking moron that he would not actually know the difference between the Israeli League (where Mekel actually played) and the Euroleague, where he is trying to claim he played.

Just more trolling from that clown "Coach" Nick.

Israeli League "Europe".


Literally and geographically Israel is not part of Europe.
But we all know in the basketball world they are.
The Israeli league has a Euroleague team in it.

If fact Mekel was the Final's MVP in the Israeli league where his team beat Tel Aviv (a Euroleague quarter-finalist) for the championship.

[madmax]

Coach Nick knows jack about euro hoops anyway. And superior quickness and athleticism does not better basketball make:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

You can sort of see a distinct timezone/geographic region shift just by looking at peoples attitudes towards this and when they posted. When I first posted the thread, post after post was (I'm guessing mostly Americans) stating something along the lines of 'no sh*t OP'. (Euroleague also posts in this group cause he's from Arkansas).

About 12 hours later post after post appears to be some attempt to stick up for Europe and belittle Coach Nick (who btw isn't even the one who made the comment about athleticism... a former Euroleague player was).

[chips93]

You can sort of see a distinct timezone/geographic region shift just by looking at peoples attitudes towards this and when they posted. When I first posted the thread, post after post was (I'm guessing mostly Americans) stating something along the lines of 'no sh*t OP'. (Euroleague also posts in this group cause he's from Arkansas).

About 12 hours later post after post appears to be some attempt to stick up for Europe and belittle Coach Nick (who btw isn't even the one who made the comment about athleticism... a former Euroleague player was).

man, why do you even care about this shit?

if you are so confident that you are right, why even have these discussions? why not just put euroleague on ignore and forget about european basketball

[CeltsGarlic]

You are proud of what exactly? NBA best player best attributes is running and jumping. He just played an NBA finals where the other team dare him to shoot, you know thee fundamental. Are we talking about basketball or track?

If I could rep only one post in my entire lifetime it would be this one.

[Jon_Koncak]

You are proud of what exactly? NBA best player best attributes is running and jumping. He just played an NBA finals where the other team dare him to shoot, you know thee fundamental. Are we talking about basketball or track?

And it was proven to be an idiotic tactic,as the best NBA player did hit those shots and got the title.

[chips93]

And it was proven to be an idiotic tactic,as the best NBA player did hit those shots and got the title.

it was an idiotic tactic? they got the best player in the world to struggle for long stretches. it was a great tactic. it gave them the best shot to win the title. things just didnt break for them.

[Miller for 3]

NBA best player - Lebron, who's only good at jumping. Can't dribble without traveling/palming, no post game, can't shoot, can't play defense, alleged PED user, can be shut down by a 6-6 center cut from the worst team in the league

Euroleague best player - Changes weekly. Too much talent, too much skill. You have GOAT candidates like Fernandez, Mirotic, Spanouliss, Diamantidis, McCalebb, Teodosic, Tomic, Navarro, Weems, Hines, etc. So much skill, so much BBIQ :bowdown: .

Compare that to NBA dominated by a player that can't even make fastbreak layups without traveling :wtf: :eek: :confusedshrug: :roll:

It is no contest. I prefer basketball skill to PED robots

[bdreason]

Sorry, but this is the same guy who said an average NCAA team could play in the Euroleague. :facepalm

[Euroleague]

This guy Coach Nick is just like a typical troll like gabepizza from this forums, trying to pass himself off as some kind of guy that is knowledgeable about basketball.

He made a huge mistake though when he started trolling about European basketball though with that Real Madrid and Olympiacos are no better than an average NCAA team video he made.

Now he goes with using Gal Mekel and "Europe" implying Euroleague, for a guy that played 59 seconds in his whole life in Euroleague to try to make some kind of point.

Gal Mekel does not qualify to make any comparisons between the two. Playing 59 seconds of Euroleague does not qualify him to make any comparisons between leagues.

Coach Nick is a moron.

[Euroleague]

Literally and geographically Israel is not part of Europe.
But we all know in the basketball world they are.
The Israeli league has a Euroleague team in it.

If fact Mekel was the Final's MVP in the Israeli league where his team beat Tel Aviv (a Euroleague quarter-finalist) for the championship.

And none of that has anything to do with him being asked to compare the differences between the two leagues that he played in..................when he only played there for 59 seconds.

This Coach Nick guy is a clown. Just like you.

But of course he did not want to say, hey Gal, what is the difference between the NBA and the Israeli League.............because he's a troll, just like you.

[Euroleague]

You can sort of see a distinct timezone/geographic region shift just by looking at peoples attitudes towards this and when they posted. When I first posted the thread, post after post was (I'm guessing mostly Americans) stating something along the lines of 'no sh*t OP'. (Euroleague also posts in this group cause he's from Arkansas).

About 12 hours later post after post appears to be some attempt to stick up for Europe and belittle Coach Nick (who btw isn't even the one who made the comment about athleticism... a former Euroleague player was).


The guy played 59 seconds in his whole life in Euroleague. He's not an authority to be comparing the two leagues, yet you and Coach Nick are trying to pretend he is.

[CavaliersFTW]

Did any of you guys attacking Coach Nick actually even watch that video? Former Euroleague player GAL MEKEL went out of his way to mention a difference in athleticism, and Coach Nick didn't even prompt him to do so. Coach Nick is not the critic Gal Mekel is.

[Euroleague]

And it was proven to be an idiotic tactic,as the best NBA player did hit those shots and got the title.

Well only because of Ray Allen and because the Spurs did one of the greatest choke jobs of history.

Replay that same situation 1,000 times and 1,000 times the Heat and LeBron lose.

[CavaliersFTW]

Who in gods name has been repping Euroleague? He went from 5 red bars to 1 green one in a matter of a few short weeks. I sense a disturbance in the force... as if many alts were made by a certain someone during the recent April 2013 window and have been used for evil.

[Euroleague]

Did any of you guys attacking Coach Nick actually even watch that video? Former Euroleague player GAL MEKEL went out of his way to mention a difference in athleticism, and Coach Nick didn't even prompt him to do so. Coach Nick is not the critic Gal Mekel is.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KJP&seasoncode=E2009

Imagine that, a guy playing 5 years in "Europe" and only managed 59 seconds of playing time at Europe's top level..................

meant he was able to secure a 3 year guaranteed contract from the NBA.

Hey Gal, what is the biggest difference between playing in the NBA and Europe?

Well, in Europe, they don't give scrubs that spent years over there not even making the top league, 3 year guaranteed contracts for no reason, like they do in the NBA.

[plowking]

Whats funny is when you think about it, Euroleague and this CavsFTW poster are pretty much the same.

Both like to talk up the league they love as if its comparable to today's NBA (60's ball and Euroleague). Both have a fascination with a player, and try to pass him off as the GOAT (V-Span and Wilt), and both try and troll the board hard and provide us with plenty of shit threads.

Wouldn't be surprised if they are the same person.

[CavaliersFTW]

Whats funny is when you think about it, Euroleague and this CavsFTW poster are pretty much the same.

Both like to talk up the league they love as if its comparable to today's NBA (60's ball and Euroleague). Both have a fascination with a player, and try to pass him off as the GOAT (V-Span and Wilt), and both try and troll the board hard and provide us with plenty of shit threads.

Wouldn't be surprised if they are the same person.
I actually talk about and explain both the similarities and the differences between today's NBA and the 60's, for example you'll never hear me arguing against someone attempting to say that players today are typically more athletic. I don't fail to comprehend differences. Nor do I post misquotes or made up information without links. Also V-span and Wilt? Yeah great comparison basically the same caliber players right there I MUST be Euroleague. I just can't believe you haven't found the "Vassilis Spanoullis Archive" channel yet on Youtube where I make all sorts of V-span and Euroleague mixes.

Check yourself Plowking, you sound awfully similar to how a dumbass would sound right now.

[SpanishACB]

NBA best player - Lebron, who's only good at jumping. Can't dribble without traveling/palming, no post game, can't shoot, can't play defense, alleged PED user, can be shut down by a 6-6 center cut from the worst team in the league

Euroleague best player - Changes weekly. Too much talent, too much skill. You have GOAT candidates like Fernandez, Mirotic, Spanouliss, Diamantidis, McCalebb, Teodosic, Tomic, Navarro, Weems, Hines, etc. So much skill, so much BBIQ :bowdown: .

Compare that to NBA dominated by a player that can't even make fastbreak layups without traveling :wtf: :eek: :confusedshrug: :roll:

It is no contest. I prefer basketball skill to PED robots

this is a stupid comparison

the premiership has amongst the best individual soccer players in the world and sometimes the display is mediocre at best.

it means nothing. I've seen mid table teams in germany play better soccer than the top notch teams in italy... it happens

likewise, whereas there's no doubt the best players are in the nba and that Lebron and Durant are miles ahead anyone playing in any other league in the world in doesn't take nothing away from the fact you see better fundamental basketball in europe and sometimes the team play ("showtime" is what you guys call it :facepalm) is much more present...

the best nba teams are the best basketball teams in the world, and usa is the best basketball team in the world, don't come back to me with that shit I'm already agreeing, but you have to wonder how much better they could actually be, if coaches had the importance they have in other countries and weren't jusut secondary to franchise players....

spain has 40 million people and basketball isn't even the fourth most popular sport in the country (soccer, formula 1, tennis, moto gp then basketball...) and the only reason they're even sometimes put on the same sentence as the USA team (quite an achievement by itself, mind) is a deep team sports culture and coaching implementation... likewise other countries in Europe.

If NBA teams started playing with similar IQ then they would actually not only offer a better show but dominate teams internationally even more. And it's not that they don't need to, that's an excuse, it's the NBA monster that's built around the hype and importance of star players which ultimately grants them more power than any other entity in the league (to the point things like contracts usually mean jack shit and coaches are but puppets)

[Dr.J4ever]

this is a stupid comparison

the premiership has amongst the best individual soccer players in the world and sometimes the display is mediocre at best.

it means nothing. I've seen mid table teams in germany play better soccer than the top notch teams in italy... it happens

likewise, whereas there's no doubt the best players are in the nba and that Lebron and Durant are miles ahead anyone playing in any other league in the world in doesn't take nothing away from the fact you see better fundamental basketball in europe and sometimes the team play ("showtime" is what you guys call it :facepalm) is much more present...

the best nba teams are the best basketball teams in the world, and usa is the best basketball team in the world, don't come back to me with that shit I'm already agreeing, but you have to wonder how much better they could actually be, if coaches had the importance they have in other countries and weren't jusut secondary to franchise players....

spain has 40 million people and basketball isn't even the fourth most popular sport in the country (soccer, formula 1, tennis, moto gp then basketball...) and the only reason they're even sometimes put on the same sentence as the USA team (quite an achievement by itself, mind) is a deep team sports culture and coaching implementation... likewise other countries in Europe.

If NBA teams started playing with similar IQ then they would actually not only offer a better show but dominate teams internationally even more. And it's not that they don't need to, that's an excuse, it's the NBA monster that's built around the hype and importance of star players which ultimately grants them more power than any other entity in the league (to the point things like contracts usually mean jack shit and coaches are but puppets)
Very well put. This is something I can agree with almost 100%. American players don't always play smart basketball, but you saw this more during the Iverson era of more one on one and hero ball. It is changing a little bit, in no small part to the influence of Euro ball. Ever since the US lost in international competition in 2002, this really opened the eyes of many who believed superior athleticism always wins out. Coach K has changed a lot of this.

Euro ball is good for the NBA and has actually strengthened it. Basketball is diversifying, and this is a good thing.

[gabepizza]

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KJP&seasoncode=E2009

Imagine that, a guy playing 5 years in "Europe" and only managed 59 seconds of playing time at Europe's top level..................

meant he was able to secure a 3 year guaranteed contract from the NBA.

Hey Gal, what is the biggest difference between playing in the NBA and Europe?

Well, in Europe, they don't give scrubs that spent years over there not even making the top league, 3 year guaranteed contracts for no reason, like they do in the NBA.

Last year he was on a team that won the Israeli championship beating a Euroleague quarter-finalist to do so. So he may have only played 59 seconds in Euroleague but he was selected League MVP and Finals MVP playing in the same league and beating a Euroleague quarter-finalist.

[robert de niro]

this is a stupid comparison

the premiership has amongst the best individual soccer players in the world and sometimes the display is mediocre at best.

it means nothing. I've seen mid table teams in germany play better soccer than the top notch teams in italy... it happens

likewise, whereas there's no doubt the best players are in the nba and that Lebron and Durant are miles ahead anyone playing in any other league in the world in doesn't take nothing away from the fact you see better fundamental basketball in europe and sometimes the team play ("showtime" is what you guys call it :facepalm) is much more present...

the best nba teams are the best basketball teams in the world, and usa is the best basketball team in the world, don't come back to me with that shit I'm already agreeing, but you have to wonder how much better they could actually be, if coaches had the importance they have in other countries and weren't jusut secondary to franchise players....

spain has 40 million people and basketball isn't even the fourth most popular sport in the country (soccer, formula 1, tennis, moto gp then basketball...) and the only reason they're even sometimes put on the same sentence as the USA team (quite an achievement by itself, mind) is a deep team sports culture and coaching implementation... likewise other countries in Europe.

If NBA teams started playing with similar IQ then they would actually not only offer a better show but dominate teams internationally even more. And it's not that they don't need to, that's an excuse, it's the NBA monster that's built around the hype and importance of star players which ultimately grants them more power than any other entity in the league (to the point things like contracts usually mean jack shit and coaches are but puppets)

:applause:

[fiddy]

Euroleague has a greenbar? **** this world.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sorry, but this is the same guy who said an average NCAA team could play in the Euroleague. :facepalm
Gal Mekel said that?

[Fiba basketball]

Gal Mekel said that?

There's a huge difference in leagues around Europe and Mekel can't talk about differences because he played in Israel. When he played in othere leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe but are still better then Israel league he played bad. So ofcourse he needs to adjust his game and differences when he would need to do the same if he played in Euroleague or Endesa.

Ofcourse players on average are more athletic in NBA but I don't think difference is that big that players that play in Euroleague or some othere best European leagues would have problem adjusting to it.

[gabepizza]

There's a huge difference in leagues around Europe and Mekel can't talk about differences because he played in Israel. When he played in othere leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe but are still better then Israel league he played bad. So ofcourse he needs to adjust his game and differences when he would need to do the same if he played in Euroleague or Endesa.

Ofcourse players on average are more athletic in NBA but I don't think difference is that big that players that play in Euroleague or some othere best European leagues would have problem adjusting to it.


Okay, but again, even the "inferior" Israeli league Mekel and his team played and defeated a Euroleague quarter-finalist last year to win the championship, and in the other leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe (like the Italian league) still have Euroleague teams in it that he would have faced.

[Fiba basketball]

Okay, but again, even the "inferior" Israeli league Mekel and his team played and defeated a Euroleague quarter-finalist last year to win the championship, and in the other leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe (like the Italian league) still have Euroleague teams in it that he would have faced.

It was only one game and in one game anything can happen so them beating Maccabi isn't that big of a thing.

Also their is a difference between playing in a bad team and in a good team even if you play against same opponent.

It's one thing when you have all the freedom you can have and you play withoute pressure and another when your 8th best player on your team.
I can name you many players who played very good against EL teams while they were in some othere teams and then sucked big time when they joined a EL team.

That's why Mekel wasn't that good in Italy and he still wasn't on a top team, if he was he suck and wouldn't play at all.

[gabepizza]

It was only one game and in one game anything can happen so them beating Maccabi isn't that big of a thing.

Also their is a difference between playing in a bad team and in a good team even if you play against same opponent.

It's one thing when you have all the freedom you can have and you play withoute pressure and another when your 8th best player on your team.
I can name you many players who played very good against EL teams while they were in some othere teams and then sucked big time when they joined a EL team.

That's why Mekel wasn't that good in Italy and he still wasn't on a top team, if he was he suck and wouldn't play at all.

Okay but my point is that he has faced Euroleague teams. Yes the championship was only one game but I'm sure he faced Maccabi a few times in the regular season. He was also selected the MVP of the whole league.

But I'm not saying he was a great player in Europe my point is he has played against Euroleague teams various times so he is allowed to make comparasions.

[bdreason]

Very well put. This is something I can agree with almost 100%. American players don't always play smart basketball, but you saw this more during the Iverson era of more one on one and hero ball. It is changing a little bit, in no small part to the influence of Euro ball. Ever since the US lost in international competition in 2002, this really opened the eyes of many who believed superior athleticism always wins out. Coach K has changed a lot of this.

Euro ball is good for the NBA and has actually strengthened it. Basketball is diversifying, and this is a good thing.


I'm sorry, but Euro ball has nothing to do with how ball is played in the NBA. That comes down to coaching at the HS/College level, and how NBA coaches adjust to the always changing NBA rules.

The 80's Celtics and Lakers were better passing teams then have ever existed in Europe. When the NBA shifted to a more isolation approach, it's because the rules dictated the change. Coaches are always going to explore the most effective ways to attack the current rule set. It just so happens that the current NBA rules favor perimeter penetration and 3 point shooting... so you get a lot of NBA teams looking to drive and kick, then swing the ball around the perimeter for the open 3.

[magic chiongson]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GaxYT56Bpb8/T1R4dERJYRI/AAAAAAAADMQ/4dBb6RDj6Jc/s800/AP%2520statue.jpg

[Sakkreth]

You don't want me to start with Justin Dentmon as NBA goat do you ?

[Fiba basketball]

Okay but my point is that he has faced Euroleague teams. Yes the championship was only one game but I'm sure he faced Maccabi a few times in the regular season. He was also selected the MVP of the whole league.

But I'm not saying he was a great player in Europe my point is he has played against Euroleague teams various times so he is allowed to make comparasions.

So guy who played against EL teams like 5 times and played against NBA teams only couple of times and not even in official game is allowed to make comparasions ?

He never played against best Europe teams ( Maccabi made top 8 last season but they weren't that good, that's why they got destroyed by Real ) so no he can't compare that.

I'm not saying players in NBA aren't more athletic on average couse they are but that doesn't mean much since you have bunch of players in Europe that would be among most athletic players in EL but they don't play there because they suck.

In NBA courts are bigger but since players are more athletic they can cover it while in Europe players are less athletic but because of smaller court they don't need to cover as much space and that's why athleticism doesn't present as big of a problem in offense for International players but does on defensive end ( ofcourse there are European players that could play great defense in NBA but almost every best European player isn't a good defender ).

[Euroleague]

Last year he was on a team that won the Israeli championship beating a Euroleague quarter-finalist to do so. So he may have only played 59 seconds in Euroleague but he was selected League MVP and Finals MVP playing in the same league and beating a Euroleague quarter-finalist.

He beat a mediocre Euroleague team 1 time out of 7 games............BRILLIANT

And he wasn't Finals MVP either, that's yet another lie from you.

[Euroleague]

There's a huge difference in leagues around Europe and Mekel can't talk about differences because he played in Israel. When he played in othere leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe but are still better then Israel league he played bad. So ofcourse he needs to adjust his game and differences when he would need to do the same if he played in Euroleague or Endesa.

Ofcourse players on average are more athletic in NBA but I don't think difference is that big that players that play in Euroleague or some othere best European leagues would have problem adjusting to it.

Exactly, but this Coach Nick CLOWN is trying to pass it off to all the American NBA only fans that don't know any better like he was a Euroleague player and that is what he meant when he said "Europe".

It's pure trolling and this Coach Nick guy is being a total prick.

He's taking this kind of mega trolling and bashing against Euroleague we see here from numerous posters at this site and putting it on YouTube and trying to make it into some kind of statement of fact.

This guy has a clear agenda and it's an outright insult and assault to European basketball.

I mean, he's taking a guy that was a TOTAL NOBODY and COMPLETE SCRUB in "Europe" in Gal Mekel and passing him off as an authority on Euroleague and like he was some serious Euroleague player......

and saying elite Euroleague clubs are no better than average mid major NCAA teams...............

Then he claims he is a knowledgeable coach and that everything he says is factual and based on analysis.

I mean seriously........this guy is some kind of totally new tier of sports troll that has never even been encountered before.

[Euroleague]

Okay, but again, even the "inferior" Israeli league Mekel and his team played and defeated a Euroleague quarter-finalist last year to win the championship, and in the other leagues that aren't top leagues in Europe (like the Italian league) still have Euroleague teams in it that he would have faced.

This ****ing idiot ....................................

Who wants to place bets that this guy is actually Coach Nick?

Dozens of times here he makes this claim that there is no difference between Euroleague - the league with all of the ELITE teams of all of Europe, and single individual national leagues of single countries in Europe.............

[Euroleague]

It was only one game and in one game anything can happen so them beating Maccabi isn't that big of a thing.

Also their is a difference between playing in a bad team and in a good team even if you play against same opponent.

It's one thing when you have all the freedom you can have and you play withoute pressure and another when your 8th best player on your team.
I can name you many players who played very good against EL teams while they were in some othere teams and then sucked big time when they joined a EL team.

That's why Mekel wasn't that good in Italy and he still wasn't on a top team, if he was he suck and wouldn't play at all.

I looked it up, and Mekel's team won 1 game out of 7 against Maccabi. As usual, gabepizza's trolling has no limitations.

Let's take this further, the "MVP of the finals" was Pat Calathes..........the same Pat Calathes that managed to be the 15th man of Panathinaikos in the Euroleague.

Yes, clearly no difference at all, since you know, even in Israel there is one Euroleague team.......................

[Euroleague]

I'm sorry, but Euro ball has nothing to do with how ball is played in the NBA. That comes down to coaching at the HS/College level, and how NBA coaches adjust to the always changing NBA rules.

The 80's Celtics and Lakers were better passing teams then have ever existed in Europe. When the NBA shifted to a more isolation approach, it's because the rules dictated the change. Coaches are always going to explore the most effective ways to attack the current rule set. It just so happens that the current NBA rules favor perimeter penetration and 3 point shooting... so you get a lot of NBA teams looking to drive and kick, then swing the ball around the perimeter for the open 3.


There is very, very little swinging of the ball around the 3 point line in the NBA. I'm not sure what games you are watching.

[CavaliersFTW]

Exactly, but this Coach Nick CLOWN is trying to pass it off to all the American NBA only fans that don't know any better like he was a Euroleague player and that is what he meant when he said "Europe".

It's pure trolling and this Coach Nick guy is being a total prick.

He's taking this kind of mega trolling and bashing against Euroleague we see here from numerous posters at this site and putting it on YouTube and trying to make it into some kind of statement of fact.

This guy has a clear agenda and it's an outright insult and assault to European basketball.

I mean, he's taking a guy that was a TOTAL NOBODY and COMPLETE SCRUB in "Europe" in Gal Mekel and passing him off as a an authority on Euroleague and like he some serious Euroleague player......

saying elite Euroleague clubs are no better than average mid major NCAA teams...............

Then claims he is a knowledgeable coach and that everything he says is factual and totally based on facts and analysis.

I mean seriously........this guy is some kind of totally new tier of sports troll that has never even been encountered before.
You as well as every single other Euronut on here trying to attack Coach Nick are reading way too much into a video where Coach Nick doesn't even so much as mention the 'Euroleague', nor even suggest he has a bias against it - the Euroleague literally isn't even mentioned. He asked Gal Mekel some basic mundane questions about basketball and being in the NBA, and Gal Mekel went out of his way to mention athleticism is a difference here vs 'Europe'. If your blaming Coach Nick for ANY of your anger, your misdirecting it. Gal Mekel made comments about Europe vs NBA, not Coach Nick. And for the record, I highly doubt there is any 'mega-troll' behavior going on in Coach Nicks mind. Yours however, is another story.

[Euroleague]

You as well as every single other Euronut on here trying to attack Coach Nick are reading way too much into a video where Coach Nick doesn't even so much as mention the 'Euroleague', nor even suggest he has a bias against it - the Euroleague literally isn't even mentioned. He asked Gal Mekel some basic mundane questions about basketball and being in the NBA, and Gal Mekel went out of his way to mention athleticism is a difference here vs 'Europe'. If your blaming Coach Nick for ANY of your anger, your misdirecting it. Gal Mekel made comments about Europe vs NBA, not Coach Nick. And for the record, I highly doubt there is any 'mega-troll' behavior going on in Coach Nicks mind. Yours however, is another story.

He asked him about NBA versus "Europe" so it is 100% Coach Nick TROLLING.

PERIOD.

It would be the same as asking a guy that plays in D-League to compare the difference between NBA and Euroleague.

There mere fact that you won't even acknowledge that is proof of your troll status. Coach Nick knew full well what he was doing.

If he was not intentionally trolling, he would have said NBA versus Israel. Mekel didn't mention "Europe" troll. Coach Nick did.

STOP TROLLING.

[Dr.J4ever]

I'm sorry, but Euro ball has nothing to do with how ball is played in the NBA. That comes down to coaching at the HS/College level, and how NBA coaches adjust to the always changing NBA rules.

The 80's Celtics and Lakers were better passing teams then have ever existed in Europe. When the NBA shifted to a more isolation approach, it's because the rules dictated the change. Coaches are always going to explore the most effective ways to attack the current rule set. It just so happens that the current NBA rules favor perimeter penetration and 3 point shooting... so you get a lot of NBA teams looking to drive and kick, then swing the ball around the perimeter for the open 3.
Have to disagree with you a little bit here. I saw the peak years of the Celtics/Lakers in the 80's, while being a huge fan of the Sixers. While there were some great assists accumulators with Magic and Bird, in general, team passing(passes that led to assist passes) were fewer during the 80's. The pace was fast, and dump offs to the post was a big part of half court basketball. I am talking as someone who lived through this era and breathed Sixer basketball daily. It became even worse during the 90's when i believed the quality of the NBA, in general, suffered.

This continued during the early 2000's with the Iverson era culminating with the US defeat to Argentina in 2002, even up to 2004, when Iverson and Marbury embarrassed the US in the Athens Olympics . Mind you, there were exceptions during that era, like the Spurs who were already winning with team oriented basketball at that time. Most coaches, however, thought, isolation basketball with superior athletes would always win out in the end.

To me, and this is hard to prove, international competition forced the NBA to change their zone rules by instead implementing the defensive 3 second rule and allowing zones in the NBA. The result, today, is more Euros playing in the NBA using familiar Euro style basketball. You see teams in the NBA doing the same things being used in FIBA competitions because of the rule change.

So was it because of rule changes? Yes. But did foreign competition force this change? I believe it did once the NBA saw the world catching up with Americans unable to compete playing with international zone rules.

Today, because of this rule change, Team USA is once again dominant.

[spiegel]

This guy can play. He is poised, dosent make bad decisions and gets the right shots for his teammates.

[gabepizza]

I looked it up, and Mekel's team won 1 game out of 7 against Maccabi. As usual, gabepizza's trolling has no limitations.

Let's take this further, the "MVP of the finals" was Pat Calathes..........the same Pat Calathes that managed to be the 15th man of Panathinaikos in the Euroleague.

Yes, clearly no difference at all, since you know, even in Israel there is one Euroleague team.......................

Hmmmm.. You looked it up?
LINK OR LIE
And even if it is true Mekel's team won the most important game against Maccabi, the championship game. Mekel's team was the Israeli champion while a Euroleague quarter-finalist was the runner up.

Mekel was the Final MVP and the league MVP while all the players on a Euroleague quarter-finalist were not.

[gabepizza]

He asked him about NBA versus "Europe" so it is 100% Coach Nick TROLLING.

PERIOD.

It would be the same as asking a guy that plays in D-League to compare the difference between NBA and Euroleague.

There mere fact that you won't even acknowledge that is proof of your troll status. Coach Nick knew full well what he was doing.

If he was not intentionally trolling, he would have said NBA versus Israel. Mekel didn't mention "Europe" troll. Coach Nick did.

STOP TROLLING.

Yes...
IF....
The D-League had a NBA team that made the 2nd round of the NBA playoffs and the guy was on a team that beat said NBA team for the championship of the D-league.

[CavaliersFTW]

:confusedshrug:

[duskovujosevic]

coach diick is well known moron, he used to claim that NCAA teams would compete easily with euroleague teams

[ImKobe]

coach diick is well known moron, he used to claim that NCAA teams would compete easily with euroleague teams

You wanna tell me Kansas or Duke wouldn't compete with Euroleague teams?

[navy]

coach diick is well known moron, he used to claim that NCAA teams would compete easily with euroleague teams

Some of them....yes.

[Mr. Jabbar]

wow, op with the breaking news :rolleyes:

whats next, lebron is a bad performer under pressure :facepalm

[duskovujosevic]

nikka please, defensive sets in Euroleague would make clowns out of all NCAA players

[navy]

wow, op with the breaking news :rolleyes:

whats next, lebron is a bad performer under pressure :facepalm
Dem Game 7's doe

[jzek]

Anthony Bennett would be MVP right now in Euroleague putting up otherworldly numbers.

[Euroleague]

Hmmmm.. You looked it up?
LINK OR LIE
And even if it is true Mekel's team won the most important game against Maccabi, the championship game. Mekel's team was the Israeli champion while a Euroleague quarter-finalist was the runner up.

Mekel was the Final MVP and the league MVP while all the players on a Euroleague quarter-finalist were not.

He wasn't the Final MVP you moron.

[Euroleague]

You wanna tell me Kansas or Duke wouldn't compete with Euroleague teams?

I see that gabepizza has another alias.

[Le Shaqtus]

In other news, water is wet.

[CavaliersFTW]

(Copy/pasting a post by Euroleague that got deleted)

Coach Nick Twice Claims Euroleague Is At NCAA Level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGrvAzU4M4

Commentary starts @ 6:23

Talking about a 2014 Euroleague Top 16 game between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich:

Coach Nick: "So, there you go from our Euroleague impressions and what's going on there. It's an exciting game. This is a pretty good level. I think that this is not quite like, you know, NBA level, but it's pretty good. I would say it's somewhere in Division I arena."

This after previously stating...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK10JzbWcAA

Commentary starts at the beginning of the video.

Talking about the 2013 Euroleague Final between Real Madrid and Olympiacos:

Coach Nick: "It's not as good as the upper, upper Division I basketball teams in college. I don't think it's much better, you know, than a mid-line, mid-level Division I team."

And he is saying this in both cases about Real Madrid, one of the best Euroleague teams.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Coach Nick knows his shit about Euroball.

[SpanishACB]

(Copy/pasting a post by Euroleague that got deleted)

Coach Nick Twice Claims Euroleague Is At NCAA Level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGrvAzU4M4

Commentary starts @ 6:23

Talking about a 2014 Euroleague Top 16 game between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich:

Coach Nick: "So, there you go from our Euroleague impressions and what's going on there. It's an exciting game. This is a pretty good level. I think that this is not quite like, you know, NBA level, but it's pretty good. I would say it's somewhere in Division I arena."

This after previously stating...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK10JzbWcAA

Commentary starts at the beginning of the video.

Talking about the 2013 Euroleague Final between Real Madrid and Olympiacos:

Coach Nick: "It's not as good as the upper, upper Division I basketball teams in college. I don't think it's much better, you know, than a mid-line, mid-level Division I team."

And he is saying this in both cases about Real Madrid, one of the best Euroleague teams.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Coach Nick knows his shit about Euroball.

there's a whole game on youtube in case anyone is smart enough to doubt coach nick's word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1VoL7LLoA

[rhowen4]

there's a whole game on youtube in case anyone is smart enough to doubt coach nick's word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1VoL7LLoA
do they have a video that isn't in slow motion?

[JUDGE WITNESS]

(Copy/pasting a post by Euroleague that got deleted)

Coach Nick Twice Claims Euroleague Is At NCAA Level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGrvAzU4M4

Commentary starts @ 6:23

Talking about a 2014 Euroleague Top 16 game between Real Madrid and Bayern Munich:

Coach Nick: "So, there you go from our Euroleague impressions and what's going on there. It's an exciting game. This is a pretty good level. I think that this is not quite like, you know, NBA level, but it's pretty good. I would say it's somewhere in Division I arena."

This after previously stating...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK10JzbWcAA

Commentary starts at the beginning of the video.

Talking about the 2013 Euroleague Final between Real Madrid and Olympiacos:

Coach Nick: "It's not as good as the upper, upper Division I basketball teams in college. I don't think it's much better, you know, than a mid-line, mid-level Division I team."

And he is saying this in both cases about Real Madrid, one of the best Euroleague teams.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Coach Nick knows his shit about Euroball.
a little too much credit but sounds about right

[Oly BC]

do they have a video that isn't in slow motion?
NBA stans are shook.

[Euroleague]

A post that got deleted? You mean a post that YOU reported to abuse and caused to be deleted.

a-hole.

All that does is 100% confirm that this Coach Nick is one of the biggest clown trolls on YouTube.

[Black and White]

A post that got deleted? You mean a post that YOU reported to abuse and caused to be deleted.

a-hole.

All that does is 100% confirm that this Coach Nick is one of the biggest clown trolls on YouTube.

Who are you to call someone else a troll?

[Smook A.]

Who are you to call someone else a troll?
:lol Exactly.

Euroleague is probably the biggest troll i've ever seen on the internet.

[Maga_1]

People quoting and using Coach Nick as a source :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pastis]

im from europe and i love the nba and i'm also very critical with the euroleague. there are about 4 teams in europe playing good basketball, thats all. but honestly i dont think, that lots of teams of the EC in the NBA would win the Euroleague or even get to the finals 4. same for west-teams like todays lakers or SAC.

[DoodleDa]

Alright I'm all for bashing Euroleague for being a f*ck, but you can't bring a guy in Coach Nick, who is equally delusional, into the conversation.

[gabepizza]

im from europe and i love the nba and i'm also very critical with the euroleague. there are about 4 teams in europe playing good basketball, thats all. but honestly i dont think, that lots of teams of the EC in the NBA would win the Euroleague or even get to the finals 4. same for west-teams like todays lakers or SAC.


I admit I don't really watch Euroleague and I believe you to be truthful not a troll like Euroleague. But I find that hard to believe since currently one team in the final 4's best player is Sonny Weems and another team's best players are Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez. Teams like that would be among the worst in the NBA.

[Oly BC]

I admit I don't really watch Euroleague
Just be honest and say you've never watched any euroleague game so that your opinion gets the recognition it deserves (about as much as coach Nick's).

[Dr.J4ever]

Just be honest and say you've never watched any euroleague game so that your opinion gets the recognition it deserves (about as much as coach Nick's).

The problem with some of you guy's from across the pond is that you don't want to tackle the question head on..Answer the question or statement---can a team with Sonny Weems or Rudy Fernandez as the best player or one of the best(just to give allowance to EL who will surely say they are like the 3rd or 4th best players on the team) be a playoff team in the NBA?

Your answer will go a long way in determining the recognition you deserve on this forum..

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The problem with some of you guy's from across the pond is that you don't want to tackle the question head on..Answer the question or statement---can a team with Sonny Weems or Rudy Fernandez as the best player or one of the best(just to give allowance to EL who will surely say they are like the 3rd or 4th best players on the team) be a playoff team in the NBA?

Your answer will go a long way in determining the recognition you deserve on this forum..
depends if they play perfect teamball and the other players are not much worse, yes they totally could make the playoffs over a team like the hawks:confusedshrug:
i dont see why not:confusedshrug:

[Dr.J4ever]

depends if they play perfect teamball and the other players are not much worse, yes they totally could make the playoffs over a team like the hawks:confusedshrug:
i dont see why not:confusedshrug:
You know the Hawks have Jeff Teague and Lou Williams. I know Lou Williams during his Sixer days. We relied on Lou to carry us many, many times in the 4th quarter. He was our main man. Has Rudy ever been a "main man" for any team in the NBA?

And yet, the Hawks got in the playoffs with one of the worst records for a playoff team, maybe ever at below .500. I would really doubt that any team with Rudy or Sonny Weems as their best player can ever make the playoffs in the NBA. I don't care if you play like John Wodeen's NCAA teams every night.

In the end, talent, first and foremost, wins in the NBA.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You know the Hawks have Jeff Teague and Lou Williams. I know Lou Williams during his Sixer days. We relied on Lou to carry us many, many times in the 4th quarter. He was our main man. Has Rudy ever been a "main man" for any team in the NBA?

And yet, the Hawks got in the playoffs with one of the worst records for a playoff team, maybe ever at below .500. I would really doubt that any team with Rudy or Sonny Weems as their best player can ever make the playoffs in the NBA. I don't care if you play like John Wodeen's NCAA teams every night.

In the end, talent, first and foremost, wins in the NBA.
lol lou williams cant even carry fernandez jockstrap and i am not a fernandez fan by any means.
with usage like teague he could easily average 20 PPG.
but thats not even what i am talking about. the teamwork and unselfishness is sooooooooo much higher in europe its not even comparable.

yes the NBa is better but there are a few teams in Europe that could make the second round of the playoffs in both conferences and especially in the east:coleman:

[pastis]

I admit I don't really watch Euroleague and I believe you to be truthful not a troll like Euroleague. But I find that hard to believe since currently one team in the final 4's best player is Sonny Weems and another team's best players are Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez. Teams like that would be among the worst in the NBA.

well, i understand your point. but basketball in europe is played in a different way. in europe we don't have the "iso-superstar-1n1" playing-style., it is more about team-basketball.

actually i never said about reaching the playoffs in the NBA. But Orlando, Milwaukee, SAC aren't that good, i really don't see them reaching the final 4s in euroleague. but well, who knows.
But if you look at the spanish national-team, they were very good even before the Ibaka and marc gasol era, same with argentinia. so you see, you dont need a team with superstars for playing successfull basketball.

To reach the playoffs in the West for an final 4 team? no way! To reach the playoffs in the EC (7 or 8 seed). Why not? Not impossble. Really, really not impossible.

[Dr.J4ever]

lol lou williams cant even carry fernandez jockstrap and i am not a fernandez fan by any means.
with usage like teague he could easily average 20 PPG.
but thats not even what i am talking about. the teamwork and unselfishness is sooooooooo much higher in europe its not even comparable.

yes the NBa is better but there are a few teams in Europe that could make the second round of the playoffs in both conferences and especially in the east:coleman:
Absolutely no way any EL team can make the 2nd round of the NBA. Maybe under FIBA rules, granted.

Under NBA rules, not a chance. No need to speculate with many of these Euro guys carrying their teams to the EL final 4 or Playoffs...We've seen them in the NBA, and most were outright scrubs like Weems, and Rudy was a decent borderline player in the NBA.

BTW, I will repeat---Lou Williams was a key cog in the 4th quarter, especially, for a Sixer team that took the Celtics to a 7 game series in 2012. One game off from the ECF.

Rudy has never come close to that level of responsibility in the NBA. Show some respect.

[Dr.J4ever]

well, i understand your point. but basketball in europe is played in a different way. in europe we don't have the "iso-superstar-1n1" playing-style., it is more about team-basketball.

actually i never said about reaching the playoffs in the NBA. But Orlando, Milwaukee, SAC aren't that good, i really don't see them reaching the final 4s in euroleague. but well, who knows.
But if you look at the spanish national-team, they were very good even before the Ibaka and marc gasol era, same with argentinia. so you see, you dont need a team with superstars for playing successfull basketball.

To reach the playoffs in the West for an final 4 team? no way! To reach the playoffs in the EC (7 or 8 seed). Why not? Not impossble. Really, really not impossible.
Agreed. Under FIBA rules, the Euro players can be competitive. International competitions have proven this.

Under NBA rules, and the defensive 3 second violation, highly athletic players tend to rule the day. I'm not always enamored with this type of basketball, but that's just the way it works out.

[pastis]

Agreed. Under FIBA rules, the Euro players can be competitive. International competitions have proven this.

Under NBA rules, and the defensive 3 second violation, highly athletic players tend to rule the day. I'm not always enamored with this type of basketball, but that's just the way it works out.

agreed

[Fiba basketball]

Agreed. Under FIBA rules, the Euro players can be competitive. International competitions have proven this.

Under NBA rules, and the defensive 3 second violation, highly athletic players tend to rule the day. I'm not always enamored with this type of basketball, but that's just the way it works out.
CSKA beat Minnesota under NBA rules and best player of the game was Teodosic who was by far the least athletic guard on the court so I would say you are wrong.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

lol@ no euroleague being able to go to the second round in the east:roll: :roll:

[Dr.J4ever]

CSKA beat Minnesota under NBA rules and best player of the game was Teodosic who was by far the least athletic guard on the court so I would say you are wrong.
First of all, I think you know these are exhibition games. Usually, teams from the underdog league try to prove themselves against the established league, which I know you will agree is the NBA. We can all be reasonable now since EL is not here.

Secondly, do you happen to know the record of EL teams playing in the US under NBA rules? I don't have to look this up since I know it's lopsidedly in favor of the NBA.

[Rooster]

Agreed. Under FIBA rules, the Euro players can be competitive. International competitions have proven this.

Under NBA rules, and the defensive 3 second violation, highly athletic players tend to rule the day. I'm not always enamored with this type of basketball, but that's just the way it works out.

Can you imagine a team with Rudy and Sergio

Running a show

That's like tanking

These guys will look like hopeless bums in defense

Just like they were back in the pros

And those unathletic unfit Euro bumd trying to rotate defensively

[Rooster]

The problem with some of you guy's from across the pond is that you don't want to tackle the question head on..Answer the question or statement---can a team with Sonny Weems or Rudy Fernandez as the best player or one of the best(just to give allowance to EL who will surely say they are like the 3rd or 4th best players on the team) be a playoff team in the NBA?

Your answer will go a long way in determining the recognition you deserve on this forum..

Rudy and Weems are called Superstars :roll:

In the minor league.:facepalm

Even Michael Jordan Farmar was one.:roll:

These guys are not even impact players in the highest level:no:

[Fiba basketball]

First of all, I think you know these are exhibition games. Usually, teams from the underdog league try to prove themselves against the established league, which I know you will agree is the NBA. We can all be reasonable now since EL is not here.

Secondly, do you happen to know the record of EL teams playing in the US under NBA rules? I don't have to look this up since I know it's lopsidedly in favor of the NBA.
I watched the game and I know Minnesota only played their best players limited minutes but for example Teodosic played just as much as Wolves key players so you can see CSKA wasn't trying hard too . How do you know CSKA wanted it more ? CSKA is a team that played without passion or any kind of motivation on the ****ing EL f4 but that would change when they face the mighty Wolves. I would say that Wolves wanted it more because CSKA got in an early lead and Wolves didn't want to be one to lose to European team. About the record of EL vs NBA I don't see why does it matter when EL teams got much better in past years. To be honest with you I'm dissapointed in quality of basketball in Europe and NBA this season. 3 seasons ago you had 5 or 6 great European teams that I am sure could reach playoffs in NBA but now you have only Real and Barcelona othere's aren't as good because some players got old and some are injured but there is a new generation of talented players comming ( mostly from Serbia and Croatia ) and if they stay in Europe than in 2 or 3 seasons you might see even more great European teams.

[Oly BC]

The problem with some of you guy's from across the pond is that you don't want to tackle the question head on..Answer the question or statement---can a team with Sonny Weems or Rudy Fernandez as the best player or one of the best(just to give allowance to EL who will surely say they are like the 3rd or 4th best players on the team) be a playoff team in the NBA?

Your answer will go a long way in determining the recognition you deserve on this forum..
Weems isn't the best player in CSKA. If you've never seen the team but only spent a couple minutes looking at the stats on the sites, it's your opinion that's unimportant. And the fact that you're giving an opinion based on boxscores says a great deal about the recognition you deserve.

Now, as I've said before, I think very little of this season's CSKA. It's an NBA team, to be fair a bad NBA team, without anything european about it, almost no stretch 4s, no mobile centers. A couple of average to good shooters, an old-fashioned but really good combo guard in Teodocic and a chucker in Weems. Messina is lost because of his ineptitude, apparently got into a fight with Teodocic and is thinking of not starting him on Friday in the F4 game against Maccabi. Only a miracle could save them at this point (to illustrate this, CSKA is down 0-2 in the quarter-semis of the domestic league having lost 2 home games against Kuban, a team that barely managed to advance to euroleague's top 16).


Why is Rudy Real's best player? Because he's averaging say 13 points (I'm not looking at the official stats, just citing by memory)? But if you do look at the stats you'll see Mirotic, Rodriguez, Llull etc all scoring about as much.
I'll say this and be very serious, if you can't comprehend a team concept in which no player is averaging 20+ shots pg and scoring 30+ ppg, there isn't much I can do. I'd advise you to actually see a few more games, it's actually quite nice knowing that even though each team has "leaders" and players that "step up", they also have more than one available offensive outlets and try to use them all.

Fernandez is averaging 13 ppg and he could easily average those in the NBA in a similarly built team (he basically did in his rookie year). Real is easily a second-round playoff team, at least in the east.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHrWFDHMJ4
Watch this and try to realize that the ball is faster (hence more "athletic") than any player.

[Oly BC]

3 seasons ago you had 5 or 6 great European teams that I am sure could reach playoffs in NBA but now you have only Real and Barcelona othere's aren't as good because some players got old and some are injured
Obvious anti-olympiacos bias.:coleman:

[gabepizza]

Weems isn't the best player in CSKA. If you've never seen the team but only spent a couple minutes looking at the stats on the sites, it's your opinion that's unimportant. And the fact that you're giving an opinion based on boxscores says a great deal about the recognition you deserve.

Now, as I've said before, I think very little of this season's CSKA. It's an NBA team, to be fair a bad NBA team, without anything european about it, almost no stretch 4s, no mobile centers. A couple of average to good shooters, an old-fashioned but really good combo guard in Teodocic and a chucker in Weems. Messina is lost because of his ineptitude, apparently got into a fight with Teodocic and is thinking of not starting him on Friday in the F4 game against Maccabi. Only a miracle could save them at this point (to illustrate this, CSKA is down 0-2 in the quarter-semis of the domestic league having lost 2 home games against Kuban, a team that barely managed to advance to euroleague's top 16).


Why is Rudy Real's best player? Because he's averaging say 13 points (I'm not looking at the official stats, just citing by memory)? But if you do look at the stats you'll see Mirotic, Rodriguez, Llull etc all scoring about as much.
I'll say this and be very serious, if you can't comprehend a team concept in which no player is averaging 20+ shots pg and scoring 30+ ppg, there isn't much I can do. I'd advise you to actually see a few more games, it's actually quite nice knowing that even though each team has "leaders" and players that "step up", they also have more than one available offensive outlets and try to use them all.

Fernandez is averaging 13 ppg and he could easily average those in the NBA in a similarly built team (he basically did in his rookie year). Real is easily a second-round playoff team, at least in the east.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHrWFDHMJ4
Watch this and try to realize that the ball is faster (hence more "athletic") than any player.

Euroleague has awarded Weems, Rodriguez and Fernandez as all-Euroleague 1st team.

If you think a team whose best players are are Rodriguez and Fernandez you are off your rockers. I mean you can look at Washington and maybe but I would take Ariza and Beal over Rodriguez and Fernandez.

[Fiba basketball]

Obvious anti-olympiacos bias.:coleman:
I was thinking about writing Oly too but except those two games in top 8 where they beat Real they didn't show much this season. That's the same reason I didn't name CSKA, too few games where they played like team of their quality should.

[Oly BC]

I was thinking about writing Oly too but except those two games in top 8 where they beat Real they didn't show much this season. That's the same reason I didn't name CSKA, too few games where they played like team of their quality should.
We coasted through the regular season and then in the top 16 played at least 4-5 games without Spanoulis, Law, Printezis and Perperoglou, 4 of the probable starting 5. In any case Real is essentially the same team it was last season (maybe better in the center position) when we won them in the final to repeat.

You can't say one team is good and the other one isn't when they're pretty evenly matched in practice.

[Dr.J4ever]

Euroleague has awarded Weems, Rodriguez and Fernandez as all-Euroleague 1st team.

If you think a team whose best players are are Rodriguez and Fernandez you are off your rockers. I mean you can look at Washington and maybe but I would take Ariza and Beal over Rodriguez and Fernandez.

See, this is the thing. The Euros think you can "team ball" your way to the NBA playoffs with Weems, Rodrigues, and Fernandez. That is their main difference. This is just a lack of understanding of the nature of the NBA.

I would accept that in FIBA ball "teamball" can get you far because of the rules, but in the NBA, and I have not always been a proponent of this, "teamball" can only get you so far.

In a clutch situation, defenses are too good individually, that you need to take advantage of some isolation matchups, especially considering the defensive 3 second rule. The Spurs, with all their teamball concepts, still have Parker to go to these days when it really matters. Without Parker, there is no way the Spurs even beat Dallas in the 1st round. Almost 0 chance.

Perhaps, we are not close to being "experts" in EL basketball, but we know a little bit more about the NBA, at least in this sense.

[Oly BC]

See, this is the thing. The Euros think you can "team ball" your way to the NBA playoffs with Weems, Rodrigues, and Fernandez. That is their main difference. This is just a lack of understanding of the nature of the NBA.

I would accept that in FIBA ball "teamball" can get you far because of the rules, but in the NBA, and I have not always been a proponent of this, "teamball" can only get you so far.

In a clutch situation, defenses are too good individually, that you need to take advantage of some isolation matchups, especially considering the defensive 3 second rule. The Spurs, with all their teamball concepts, still have Parker to go to these days when it really matters. Without Parker, there is no way the Spurs even beat Dallas in the 1st round. Almost 0 chance.

Perhaps, we are not close to being "experts" in EL basketball, but we know a little bit more about the NBA, at least in this sense.
Spain has met USA many times and I'm sure that not every basket they scored was assisted. Parker is fast and Rudy (or Spanoulis or Navarro or Sergio) can casually score contested 3s from 30 feet. And neither of them is bad at driving,quite the opposite, even though they aren't as fast as Parker (who is among the best in that and certainly not just a "typical athletic NBA pg").


And the talk about NBA rules leaves me quite uninterested seeing as how they're made up. You can't be constantly changing the rules to get more high scoring games and keep your sponsors and your "fans" happy and expect these rules to be considered legitimate.
The rule changes don't even have something to do with increasing the number of possesions or improving the flow of the game, they're just about screwing the defence. Come on.

[dr.hee]

And the talk about NBA rules leaves me quite uninterested seeing as how they're made up. You can't be constantly changing the rules to get more high scoring games and keep your sponsors and your "fans" happy and expect these rules to be considered legitimate.
The rule changes don't even have something to do with increasing the number of possesions or improving the flow of the game, they're just about screwing the defence. Come on.

NBA rules are made up, true. As opposed to what? Euro rules being some kind of natural law?

Also, the rule changes are irrelevant since they apply to all players on the court, so a team led by Fernandez and Weems should torch NBA teams, right?

Damn Euroleague, you're slipping on your alt account.

[Euroleague]

The problem with some of you guy's from across the pond is that you don't want to tackle the question head on..Answer the question or statement---can a team with Sonny Weems or Rudy Fernandez as the best player or one of the best(just to give allowance to EL who will surely say they are like the 3rd or 4th best players on the team) be a playoff team in the NBA?

Your answer will go a long way in determining the recognition you deserve on this forum..

Sonny Weems is in no way in hell the best player on CSKA.

Secondly, Rubio is considered the 2nd best player on the Wolves..........and this guy was about the 10th or 11th best player on Barca.

If you ever have an actual point make it.

Until then, STFU.

[Oly BC]

NBA rules are made up, true. As opposed to what? Euro rules being some kind of natural law?

Also, the rule changes are irrelevant since they apply to all players on the court, so a team led by Fernandez and Weems should torch NBA teams, right?

Damn Euroleague, you're slipping on your alt account.
They aren't "euro rules" but fiba rules, aka the rules of the sport.
The equivalent would be changing the rules in your "soccer" to get more goals and have fans and sponsors happy. Those rules would be made up and the FIFA rules, used eveywhere else, would be the actual rules of the game.


Any player would have an easier job driving to the rim when the other team can't station people in the paint. Any person actually. I hope that you won't disagree on that.

[Euroleague]

Absolutely no way any EL team can make the 2nd round of the NBA. Maybe under FIBA rules, granted.

Under NBA rules, not a chance. No need to speculate with many of these Euro guys carrying their teams to the EL final 4 or Playoffs...We've seen them in the NBA, and most were outright scrubs like Weems, and Rudy was a decent borderline player in the NBA.

BTW, I will repeat---Lou Williams was a key cog in the 4th quarter, especially, for a Sixer team that took the Celtics to a 7 game series in 2012. One game off from the ECF.

Rudy has never come close to that level of responsibility in the NBA. Show some respect.

Lou Williams...................

Yeah, is this like how you clowns told us how Ty Lawson was going to "average 50/30" in Euroleague.............

Yeah, that Ty Lawson sure was freaking amazing. And then the psychos jump in with the whole "sample size" shit. Of course not even having the IQ to know that's 2 months worth of games.

And being such enormous liars and hypocrites, because when it comes to just in the Spanoulis discussion, the limited sample size of games in the NBA, the SAME people say is "absolute PROOF of the inability to play in the NBA".

He was barely even an average player in Euroleague and VTB League.

Lou Williams? Lou Williams?

Lou Williams would not be a top 50 player in Euroleague and I'm being generous.

"This is the problem with you guys across the pond". "How you answer determines your credibility on this board".

The problem with YOU is that you are INSANE.


Ty Lawson wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Goran Dragic wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Ricky Rubio wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid NBA starter.

Gary Neal wasn't shit in Euroleague (scrub). Good NBA 6th man/ solid NBA starter.

Jose Calderon wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid to good NBA starter.

Pablo Prigioni was a washed up Euroleague has been. Solid NBA rotation player/ part time starter.

Brian Roberts is a good NBA rotation player. He was a solid to decent Euroleague rotation player.

Will Bynum is a solid NBA rotation player. He was a solid Euroleague rotation player.

Jordan Farmar is basically the same exact player in NBA that he was in Euroleague. An athletic scoring guard, that can't defend, can run pick and roll, but does not know how to run an offense or actually play point guard. Except in NBA he has better production.

Acie Law - good bench point guard, in NBA, good bench point guard in Euroleague.

Gal Mekel (the guy in this topic) wasn't shit in Euroleague as a player (he was a scrub that didn't play the entire season), was a 2nd point guard in NBA.

Robert Pack - good NBA player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jannero Pargo - solid NBA rotation player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jeremy Pargo - backup point guard in NBA and rotation player last 2 years. 3rd point and 11th man right now in Euroleague.

Alexey Shved - Bit part role player on his team in Euroleague. Bit part role player on his team in NBA.

Roko Ukic - Very talented rotation player that didn't produce and was a disappointment in the NBA. The same in the Euroleague.

Beno Udrih - Solid rotation player in Euroleague. Good rotation player/good 6th man/good starter in the NBA.



And you are going to come here and claim freaking Lou Williams would tear up Euroleague... You see the problem with YOU is that you are out of your damn freaking mind, and you are retarded.

[Euroleague]

lol@ no euroleague being able to go to the second round in the east:roll: :roll:

These are the SAME EXACT PEOPLE that said here for 2 years straight that "no one on Olympiacos' roster could ever in a million years make an NBA roster", and that "the Heat would beat them by 50 points in every game."


How insane with rage they must be now that the Olympiacos 3rd center that was playing 5 minutes game was on the Rockets roster, and the 2nd Olympiacos power forward was the Hawks starting center in the playoffs.........

or that the Rockets are literally begging Papanikolaou, who was also on their team, to sign with them.........

and there are rumors about how the Thunder want Printezis.

Yes, yes, yes, "no one from that team could ever in a million years make an NBA roster"............

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

:biggums:

So let's see, Antic can start for the Hawks AT CENTER (he was considered TOO SOFT to play center in Euroleague), but no Euroleague team could make the 2nd round of the playoffs in the East...........


:biggums:

[dr.hee]

Lou Williams...................

Yeah, is this like how you clowns told us how Ty Lawson was going to "average 50/30" in Euroleague.............

Yeah, that Ty Lawson sure was freaking amazing. And then the psychos jump in with the whole "sample size" shit. Of course not even having the IQ to know that's 2 months worth of games.

And being such enormous liars and hypocrites, because when it comes to just in the Spanoulis discussion, the limited sample size of games in the NBA, the SAME people say is "absolute PROOF of the inability to play in the NBA".

He was barely even an average player in Euroleague and VTB League.

Lou Williams? Lou Williams?

Lou Williams would not be a top 50 player in Euroleague and I'm being generous.

"This is the problem with you guys across the pond". "How you answer determines your credibility on this board".

The problem with YOU is that you are INSANE.


Ty Lawson wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Goran Dragic wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Ricky Rubio wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid NBA starter.

Gary Neal wasn't shit in Euroleague (scrub). Good NBA 6th man/ solid NBA starter.

Jose Calderon wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid to good NBA starter.

Pablo Prigioni was a washed up Euroleague has been. Solid NBA rotation player/ part time starter.

Brian Roberts is a good NBA rotation player. He was a solid to decent Euroleague rotation player.

Will Bynum is a solid NBA rotation player. He was a solid Euroleague rotation player.

Jordan Farmar is basically the same exact player in NBA that he was in Euroleague. An athletic scoring guard, that can't defend, can run pick and roll, but does not know how to run an offense or actually play point guard. Except in NBA he has better production.

Acie Law - good bench point guard, in NBA, good bench point guard in Euroleague.

Gal Mekel (the guy in this topic) wasn't shit in Euroleague player (he was a scrub that didn't play the entire season), was a 2nd point guard in NBA.

Robert Pack - good NBA player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jannero Pargo - solid NBA rotation player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jeremy Pargo - backup point guard in NBA and rotation player last 2 years. 3rd point and 11th man right now in Euroleague.

Alexey Shved - Bit part role player on his team in Euroleague. Bit part role player on his team in NBA.

Roko Ukic - Very talented rotation player that didn't produce and was a disappointment in the NBA. The same in the Euroleague.

Beno Udrih - Solid rotation player in Euroleague. Good rotation player/good 6th man/good starter in the NBA.



And you are going to come here and claim freaking Lou Williams would tear up Euroleague... You see the problem with YOU is that you are out of your damn freaking mind, and you are retarded.

The thing is, there are players who had pretty significant performance differences between NBA and Euroleague...and then there's the bald chubby white T-Mac from Greece. 3 ppg on 32% shooting is just something else. Especially since the NBA is so damn superstar centered, right? Team ball doesn't matter at all. So shouldn't one of the most athletic players on the planet, disguised by the looks of a random goat herder you've picked from some small village , be able to dominate this league based on talent and athleticism alone?

A lot of NBA players were pretty garbage in Europe, that's true. But Ty Lawson isn't a top 3 player on the planet. If he was, he would be dominant in both leagues. The same logic applies to VSpan. Very good player in Europe, could've been pretty good (but far from top 3) in the NBA, if he had cut down his ego a bit. But he wouldn't have been a dominant player. He's just not in the same stratosphere as Parker or Nowitzki. Not even on the prime Pau Gasol level. But still, he could've been a good starting PG if he had a different mentality. On a PnR heavy team with skilled bigs, absolutely. But not as a superstar.

[Euroleague]

First of all, I think you know these are exhibition games. Usually, teams from the underdog league try to prove themselves against the established league, which I know you will agree is the NBA. We can all be reasonable now since EL is not here.

Secondly, do you happen to know the record of EL teams playing in the US under NBA rules? I don't have to look this up since I know it's lopsidedly in favor of the NBA.

It's amazing how whenever an NBA team loses one of these games, it's always,

"these games don't count"

"the NBA teams don't try"

"the Euroleague teams are trying harder than in any other game in their whole life"

etc.




But whenever an NBA team wins these games............

it is always,

"these games are absolute PROOF that the NBA is SUPERIOR to the Euroleague".

"look at the record. The NBA is PROVEN to be SUPERIOR to the NBA".


Nice job though on getting BOTH trolling points in. Also, as is the norm, the TROLLING point is to ALWAYS include the "record" of games like NBA versus the Philippine all stars in 1976 and NBA versus the Beijing Flying Dragons in 1982............

And count these as "NBA versus Euroleague games".

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm

[Euroleague]

I watched the game and I know Minnesota only played their best players limited minutes but for example Teodosic played just as much as Wolves key players so you can see CSKA wasn't trying hard too . How do you know CSKA wanted it more ? CSKA is a team that played without passion or any kind of motivation on the ****ing EL f4 but that would change when they face the mighty Wolves. I would say that Wolves wanted it more because CSKA got in an early lead and Wolves didn't want to be one to lose to European team. About the record of EL vs NBA I don't see why does it matter when EL teams got much better in past years. To be honest with you I'm dissapointed in quality of basketball in Europe and NBA this season. 3 seasons ago you had 5 or 6 great European teams that I am sure could reach playoffs in NBA but now you have only Real and Barcelona othere's aren't as good because some players got old and some are injured but there is a new generation of talented players comming ( mostly from Serbia and Croatia ) and if they stay in Europe than in 2 or 3 seasons you might see even more great European teams.

This might be true in most times, but now it's not. There is huge talent from all over Europe. And not even is the best talent or most talent from there.

[Sakkreth]

The thing is, there are players who had pretty significant performance differences between NBA and Euroleague...and then there's the bald chubby white T-Mac from Greece. 3 ppg on 32% shooting is just something else. Especially since the NBA is so damn superstar centered, right? Team ball doesn't matter at all. So shouldn't one of the most athletic players on the planet, disguised by the looks of a random goat herder you've picked from some small village , be able to dominate this league based on talent and athleticism alone?

A lot of NBA players were pretty garbage in Europe, that's true. But Ty Lawson isn't a top 3 player on the planet. If he was, he would be dominant in both leagues. The same logic applies to VSpan. Very good player in Europe, could've been pretty good (but far from top 3) in the NBA, if he had cut down his ego a bit. But he wouldn't have been a dominant player. He's just not in the same stratosphere as Parker or Nowitzki. Not even on the prime Pau Gasol level. But still, he could've been a good starting PG if he had a different mentality. On a PnR heavy team with skilled bigs, absolutely. But not as a superstar.

That's more or less accurate.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague has awarded Weems, Rodriguez and Fernandez as all-Euroleague 1st team.

If you think a team whose best players are are Rodriguez and Fernandez you are off your rockers. I mean you can look at Washington and maybe but I would take Ariza and Beal over Rodriguez and Fernandez.

You are the one that has consistently, by that I mean on a daily basis, and usually 5-10, or more times a day, proven that you are insane.

Weems is a very good player. He would start in many NBA teams.

BUT NO WAY IN HELL IS HE THE BEST PLAYER ON CSKA.

If you think he is better than Teodosic then you once again prove that you are just completely certifiable.

Teodosic is a lunatic as a player and he does all kinds of shit to hurt his team, but he is MILES better than Weems. Krstic is also better than Weems, as long as Krstic has a good point guard that can get him the ball as he needs it, and a coach that understands it. He is definitely better.

Khryapa is also better. Khryapa can run the offense and he can dictate a lot of what is happening in a team with his rebounding, spreading the floor, defense, etc. He makes more happen in the importance of the scheme of a team winning or losing than Weems does.

The importance of Weems is having any guy that is athletic, can run the floor, finish, and can shoot the 3, or get to the basket. So basically, you can find 3 guys like this for every 1 guy you can find like Khryapa or Krstic, hell, maybe 5 guys like that for every 1 of them.

You can find maybe 100 guys like Weems for every 1 guy like Teodosic.

You are so retarded that it really is astonishing.

But then again, you are the same moron that is in about a half dozen threads in this forum claiming Messina is the greatest coach in the history of the Euroleague.

How many Euroleague fans have to tell you how screwed up Messina has been doing his job as a coach before you get it? Every single Euroleague fan tells you the same thing. And you still don't get it.

Yeah, you are without any doubt insane and retarded.

CSKA was at the final four genius. Weems was put in the team because of that. Why the hell do you think he magically appeared in the team and they only had one big man there? Do you really think the voters just completely ignored all the other big men?

Yeah sure.............no other big men got any votes at all.............

Good god this moron............

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Thank god at least some other Euroleague fans are coming here and exposing these freaking clowns.

[gabepizza]

Sonny Weems is in no way in hell the best player on CSKA you freaking moron.

Secondly, Rubio is considered the 2nd best player on the Wolves..........and this guy was about the 10th or 11th best player on Barca.

If you ever have an actual point make it.

Until then STFU.

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/136869/180/2013-14-all-euroleague-first-and-second-teams-announced

What an embarrassment for Euroleague. All Euroleague first team again filled with NBA back-ups and scrubs.

[Euroleague]

I was thinking about writing Oly too but except those two games in top 8 where they beat Real they didn't show much this season. That's the same reason I didn't name CSKA, too few games where they played like team of their quality should.

CSKA is easily at that level as a team. It's just their coach is horrible. The same coach these freaking clowns Dr.J.4ever and gabepizza and Rooster and CavsFTW and all of these same morons here are claiming is "the greatest coach in the history of the Euroleague" and "the by far and away best coach in the Euroleague right now".

CSKA has the right players, except for point guard position (I mean Jackson and Pargo...WTF?), but their coach is the problem. But in the NBA he would be better than most of the coaches.

So put Messina in the NBA, and he would still out coach most there. So CSKA would be fine there.


Olympiacos would have beaten Real Madrid in the playoffs if not for the injuries, so you are nothing thinking clearly at all on that. How can they not be listed, when they only lost that playoff series because of injuries?

Perperoglou, their main SF out.

Printezis, their main PF only able to play 12 minutes a game.

Spanoulis, their lead player, playing with knee and ankle problems, at about 75 percent, and they had to watch his minutes also.

No Acie Law, the main help guard next to Spanoulis.

Shermadini had a knee problem and was out.

Even Simmons missed a game.


They lost game 2 by 5 points with no Perperoglou, Printezis playing 12 minutes, no Law, no Simmons, and Spanoulis playing with a bad knee? While Real only missed Carroll?

They would have won that series quite easily in 4 games if not for the injuries. Hell, if JUST Printezis could play his normal 30 minutes in a playoff game, they win game 2 easily and win the series in 4 games.

So I'm not sure how you can say Real Madrid is at such and such level, and Olympiacos isn't, when they only lost that series due to a ton of injuries.

[Euroleague]

See, this is the thing. The Euros think you can "team ball" your way to the NBA playoffs with Weems, Rodrigues, and Fernandez. That is their main difference. This is just a lack of understanding of the nature of the NBA.

I would accept that in FIBA ball "teamball" can get you far because of the rules, but in the NBA, and I have not always been a proponent of this, "teamball" can only get you so far.

In a clutch situation, defenses are too good individually, that you need to take advantage of some isolation matchups, especially considering the defensive 3 second rule. The Spurs, with all their teamball concepts, still have Parker to go to these days when it really matters. Without Parker, there is no way the Spurs even beat Dallas in the 1st round. Almost 0 chance.

Perhaps, we are not close to being "experts" in EL basketball, but we know a little bit more about the NBA, at least in this sense.

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :wtf:

:biggums:

These guys are just retarded. Sub 65 IQ level idiots. They prove it over and over, again and again with their comments here.

[gabepizza]

CSKA is easily at that level as a team. It's just their coach is horrible. The same coach these freaking clowns Dr.J.4ever and gabepizza and Rooster and CavsFTW and all of these same morons here are claimins is "the greatest coach in the history of the Euroleague" and "the by far and away best coach in the Euroleague right now".

CSKA has the right players, except for point guard position (I mean Jackson and Pargo...WTF?), but their coach is the problem. But in the NBA he would be better than most of the coaches.

So put Messina in the NBA, and he would still out coach most there. So CSKA would be fine there.


Olympiacos would have beaten Real Madrid in the playoffs if not for the injuries, so you are nothing thinking clearly at all on that. How can they not be listed, when they only lost that playoff series because of injuries?

Perperoglou, their main SF out.

Printezis, their main PF only able to play 12 minutes a game.

Spanoulis, their lead player, playing with knee and ankle problems, at about 75 percent, and they had to watch his minutes also.

No Acie Law, the main help guard next to Spanoulis.

Shermadini had a knee problem and was out.

Even Simmons missed a game.


They lost game 2 by 5 points with no Perperoglou, Printezis playing 12 minutes, no Law, no Simmons, and Spanoulis playing with a bad knee? While Real only missed Carroll?

They would have won that series quite easily in 4 games if not for the injuries. Hell, if JUST Printezis could play his normal 30 minutes in a playoff game, they win game 3 easily and win the series in 4 games.

So I'm not sure how you can say Real Madrid is at such and such level, and Olympiacos isn't, when they only lost that series due to a ton of injuries.

Again making excuses for Spanoulis. Why he sucked in Eurobasket? He was playing injured. Why he sucked in Euroleague? He was injured. Looks like his unathletic body just doesn't have the conditioning to play full seasons and still be productive. I'm sure if he plays against competition in the local YMCA he wouldn't be injured all the time and then we don't have to her excuses all the time about why he is such a horrible player all the time.

[Euroleague]

The thing is, there are players who had pretty significant performance differences between NBA and Euroleague...and then there's the bald chubby white T-Mac from Greece. 3 ppg on 32% shooting is just something else. Especially since the NBA is so damn superstar centered, right? Team ball doesn't matter at all. So shouldn't one of the most athletic players on the planet, disguised by the looks of a random goat herder you've picked from some small village , be able to dominate this league based on talent and athleticism alone?

A lot of NBA players were pretty garbage in Europe, that's true. But Ty Lawson isn't a top 3 player on the planet. If he was, he would be dominant in both leagues. The same logic applies to VSpan. Very good player in Europe, could've been pretty good (but far from top 3) in the NBA, if he had cut down his ego a bit. But he wouldn't have been a dominant player. He's just not in the same stratosphere as Parker or Nowitzki. Not even on the prime Pau Gasol level. But still, he could've been a good starting PG if he had a different mentality. On a PnR heavy team with skilled bigs, absolutely. But not as a superstar.


Jeff Van Gundy purposely sabotaged his career.

The fact that you lying scumbag trolls continue to deny that, even after other NBA executive even admit it, is absolutely pathetic.

[Euroleague]

That's more or less accurate.

No it isn't.


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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/racine-guard-matt-lojeski-has-found-home-in-greek-league-b99251251z1-255954251.html

"There's a slew of guys in Europe that could be on NBA teams," said Milwaukee Bucks vice president of player personnel Dave Babcock. "But a lot of times, they get to a point where they're making so much money over there, that they can't afford to come to the NBA."

Babcock goes to Europe two to four times a year to scout games and look for draft-eligible players

[dr.hee]

Jeff Van Gundy purposely sabotaged his career.

The fact that you lying scumbag trolls continue to deny that, even after other NBA executive even admit it, is absolutely pathetic.

How can Van Gundy sabotage superior talent and athleticism? A crap coach doesn't turn you into a 3 ppg piece of scrubby garbage. Look up Dirk with Avery Johnson. Lebron with Mike Brown. Just talking about individual performances here. A bad coach can screw up a teams' performance and success, but VSpan unable to play at least semi decent individually? Well that's on the chubby diva himself. Should've shut up and play. Dirk was bad in his first year, even got booed by the Dallas crowd. He stayed and worked his ass off. Now he's on a completely different level than Spanoulis could ever dream of, but the principle still applies. Either you show up or run away. Spanoulis did the latter. Which is the obvious choice, since he's so freaking athletic. Running comes to him naturally.

An example, so your tiny redneck brain might get it: Let's say Spoelstra decided to "sabotage" Lebron's career by giving him limited minutes off the bench. He would still be the best player on the floor in the few minutes he's getting. Especially against the other team's reserves. Everybody would cry about Bran "stat-padding", which is what's happening already if he's playing in garbage time.
Simple question: If he's that good, why couldn't Spanoulis stat-pad in limited minutes against his inferior opponents? Prime T-Mac off the bench for 10 minutes a game? Everybody would see he's the best out there at all times. With VSpan? Not so much. Do you see what I mean? Probably not.

[Dr.J4ever]

How can Van Gundy sabotage superior talent and athleticism? A crap coach doesn't turn you into a 3 ppg piece of scrubby garbage. Look up Dirk with Avery Johnson. Lebron with Mike Brown. Just talking about individual performances here. A bad coach can screw up a teams' performance and success, but VSpan unable to play at least semi decent individually? Well that's on the chubby diva himself. Should've shut up and play. Dirk was bad in his first year, even got booed by the Dallas crowd. He stayed and worked his ass off. Now he's on a completely different level than Spanoulis could ever dream of, but the principle still applies. Either you show up or run away. Spanoulis did the latter. Which is the obvious choice, since he's so freaking athletic. Running comes to him naturally.

An example, so your tiny redneck brain might get it: Let's say Spoelstra decided to "sabotage" Lebron's career by giving him limited minutes off the bench. He would still be the best player on the floor in the few minutes he's getting. Especially against the other team's reserves. Everybody would cry about Bran "stat-padding", which is what's happening already if he's playing in garbage time.
Simple question: If he's that good, why couldn't Spanoulis stat-pad in limited minutes against his inferior opponents? Prime T-Mac off the bench for 10 minutes a game? Everybody would see he's the best out there at all times. With VSpan? Not so much. Do you see what I mean? Probably not.

Finally, some sense. Good arguments!:applause:

[Dr.J4ever]

Lou Williams...................

Yeah, is this like how you clowns told us how Ty Lawson was going to "average 50/30" in Euroleague.............

Yeah, that Ty Lawson sure was freaking amazing. And then the psychos jump in with the whole "sample size" shit. Of course not even having the IQ to know that's 2 months worth of games.

And being such enormous liars and hypocrites, because when it comes to just in the Spanoulis discussion, the limited sample size of games in the NBA, the SAME people say is "absolute PROOF of the inability to play in the NBA".

He was barely even an average player in Euroleague and VTB League.

Lou Williams? Lou Williams?

Lou Williams would not be a top 50 player in Euroleague and I'm being generous.

"This is the problem with you guys across the pond". "How you answer determines your credibility on this board".

The problem with YOU is that you are INSANE.


Ty Lawson wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Goran Dragic wasn't shit in Euroleague. Good NBA starter.

Ricky Rubio wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid NBA starter.

Gary Neal wasn't shit in Euroleague (scrub). Good NBA 6th man/ solid NBA starter.

Jose Calderon wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid to good NBA starter.

Pablo Prigioni was a washed up Euroleague has been. Solid NBA rotation player/ part time starter.

Brian Roberts is a good NBA rotation player. He was a solid to decent Euroleague rotation player.

Will Bynum is a solid NBA rotation player. He was a solid Euroleague rotation player.

Jordan Farmar is basically the same exact player in NBA that he was in Euroleague. An athletic scoring guard, that can't defend, can run pick and roll, but does not know how to run an offense or actually play point guard. Except in NBA he has better production.

Acie Law - good bench point guard, in NBA, good bench point guard in Euroleague.

Gal Mekel (the guy in this topic) wasn't shit in Euroleague as a player (he was a scrub that didn't play the entire season), was a 2nd point guard in NBA.

Robert Pack - good NBA player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jannero Pargo - solid NBA rotation player. Scrub in Euroleague.

Jeremy Pargo - backup point guard in NBA and rotation player last 2 years. 3rd point and 11th man right now in Euroleague.

Alexey Shved - Bit part role player on his team in Euroleague. Bit part role player on his team in NBA.

Roko Ukic - Very talented rotation player that didn't produce and was a disappointment in the NBA. The same in the Euroleague.

Beno Udrih - Solid rotation player in Euroleague. Good rotation player/good 6th man/good starter in the NBA.




And you are going to come here and claim freaking Lou Williams would tear up Euroleague... You see the problem with YOU is that you are out of your damn freaking mind, and you are retarded.

These aren't really good examples at all, if we will be referring to the young Euro players taken by the NBA. Many of these players were taken on POTENTIAL, not purely credentials in the EL or European basketball.

For example, I know that one of the players being eyed in the lottery is Dario Saric. Now we all know that Dario is rated highly by both Euro scouts and NBA scouts, but if you look at what he has done in the EL(Im not even sure if he has played EL ball) or European leagues, he probably is not all that impressive yet.

So let's say the NBA takes him, and then in 3 years, he's doing 17/5/5, then are to going to say he was just a scrub in Europe? This is your argument now with Rubio, Dragic(who tore up the Eurobasket), Calderon(no.2 Spain's starting PG). Same thing with Schved. For the rest of your examples, I am sure many of them have some LIES mixed in there, but I don't have the time to go over them one by one. I know Gabepizza has pretty much debunked all these before.

These are not even close to being good arguments. If you believe this, then you are of course deranged.

[Rooster]

They aren't "euro rules" but fiba rules, aka the rules of the sport.
The equivalent would be changing the rules in your "soccer" to get more goals and have fans and sponsors happy. Those rules would be made up and the FIFA rules, used eveywhere else, would be the actual rules of the game.


Any player would have an easier job driving to the rim when the other team can't station people in the paint. Any person actually. I hope that you won't disagree on that.


Yes Euroleague MVPs should have no problem driving to the paint:oldlol:

Spanoulis and Sergio for example:roll:

[Rooster]

Sonny Weems is in no way in hell the best player on CSKA.

Secondly, Rubio is considered the 2nd best player on the Wolves..........and this guy was about the 10th or 11th best player on Barca.

If you ever have an actual point make it.

Until then, STFU.

Did you say Sonny Weems:oldlol:

Lebronesque:bowdown:

In his second season with CSKA Moscow, Sonny Weems reaffirmed his status as one of the best clutch scorers in the Turkish Airlines Euroleague. Weems, 27, was a major factor in his team's success, both as its top scorer and the go-to guy with games on the line. He led CSKA this season in scoring (12.6 ppg), steals (0.9 spg) and average index rating (13.3), while ranking second in assists (3.6 apg) and third in rebounds (3.5 rpg). He almost singlehandedly authored one of the great comebacks this season with 10 points in the last three minutes of regulation to help CSKA force overtime and eventually beat Panathinaikos in a memorable opening game in the playoffs. Weems was always at his best against top competition; he put up 28 points against one of the league's best defenses, Real Madrid, among his averages of 14.8 points and an 18.8 index rating in five games against the other three Final Four teams.

I can't believe Weems was put on the same sentence as top scorer :facepalm and go to guy:facepalm until I saw Euroleague

[Rooster]

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/136869/180/2013-14-all-euroleague-first-and-second-teams-announced

What an embarrassment for Euroleague. All Euroleague first team again filled with NBA back-ups and scrubs.

Sergio - Scrub:oldlol:

Weems - Scrub:oldlol:

Rudy - Scrub:oldlol:

Langford - Scrub:oldlol:

Tomic - looks like a softie Nate Huffman (ex Euroleague MVP)
so definitely a scrub too:oldlol:

[gabepizza]

Sergio - Scrub:oldlol:

Weems - Scrub:oldlol:

Rudy - Scrub:oldlol:

Langford - Scrub:oldlol:

Tomic - looks like a softie Nate Huffman (ex Euroleague MVP)
so definitely a scrub too:oldlol:

I respectfully disagree. Rudy was a solid NBA back-up not a scrub.

[Fiba basketball]

This might be true in most times, but now it's not. There is huge talent from all over Europe. And not even is the best talent or most talent from there.
Serbia has Micic, Bogdanovic and Jokic while Croatia has Hezonja, Saric and Nurkic. I'm not saying othere countries don't have talented players but no othere countries have 3 players of that age who can already play on high level.

[Euroleague]

Again making excuses for Spanoulis. Why he sucked in Eurobasket? He was playing injured. Why he sucked in Euroleague? He was injured. Looks like his unathletic body just doesn't have the conditioning to play full seasons and still be productive. I'm sure if he plays against competition in the local YMCA he wouldn't be injured all the time and then we don't have to her excuses all the time about why he is such a horrible player all the time.

So how come the "non athletic Spanoulis" can play year round every single year without taking PEDs, but the "athletically superior" Team USA has to take off 2-3 summers in a row even though they are on PEDs?

Strange................somehow it does not add up. Your own comments once again completely contradict and totally 100% are hypocritical.

Spanoulis has vastly superior conditioning and durability WITHOUT the PEDs, to the what you call "vastly athletic superior" players, and then you somehow come up with that means he has less..............

Again, proving what a colossal idiot you are.


And I've never before in my entire life seen someone bash and criticize a player for having the balls and will power and toughness to be able to man up and play through injuries and still be able to be effective........


Oh yeah, but wait, according to you, "Derrick Rose is vastly athletically superior" and "his body can athletically hold up and has the conditioning to last", but poor Spanoulis' can't.

Yeah, Rose would be out for 2 seasons with the injuries that Spanoulis misses one week to 3 weeks for. And somehow in your mind, this makes Spanoulis "inferior".


Also, more proof of what a psychopath this gabepizza truly is. As has been pointed out here hundreds of times, his lies, his hypocrisy and his double standards........

Spanoulis "sucked" in EuroBasket despite being the 3rd scorer at the tournament, while for example he claimed Rubio was "dominant", when he averaged 1.2 points per game at 2011 EuroBasket.

Spanoulis "sucked" in Euroleague for making the All-Euroleague Team, while for example he describes literally dozens of players, and numerous ones just in this thread as "superstars", "legends", "GOATs", "unstoppable", "dominant", etc. because they made the All-Euroleague team...........and never mind that Spanoulis made more All-Euroleague teams than ANY of the players he names.


Just again, and again, and again, and again, PROVING what a complete liar, hypocrite, and psychopath he is.

[Euroleague]

How can Van Gundy sabotage superior talent and athleticism? A crap coach doesn't turn you into a 3 ppg piece of scrubby garbage. Look up Dirk with Avery Johnson. Lebron with Mike Brown. Just talking about individual performances here. A bad coach can screw up a teams' performance and success, but VSpan unable to play at least semi decent individually? Well that's on the chubby diva himself. Should've shut up and play. Dirk was bad in his first year, even got booed by the Dallas crowd. He stayed and worked his ass off. Now he's on a completely different level than Spanoulis could ever dream of, but the principle still applies. Either you show up or run away. Spanoulis did the latter. Which is the obvious choice, since he's so freaking athletic. Running comes to him naturally.

An example, so your tiny redneck brain might get it: Let's say Spoelstra decided to "sabotage" Lebron's career by giving him limited minutes off the bench. He would still be the best player on the floor in the few minutes he's getting. Especially against the other team's reserves. Everybody would cry about Bran "stat-padding", which is what's happening already if he's playing in garbage time.
Simple question: If he's that good, why couldn't Spanoulis stat-pad in limited minutes against his inferior opponents? Prime T-Mac off the bench for 10 minutes a game? Everybody would see he's the best out there at all times. With VSpan? Not so much. Do you see what I mean? Probably not.


BULLSHIT.

You LIE again.

Rick Adelman did it to Drazen Petrovic and he even admitted it.

[Euroleague]

These aren't really good examples at all, if we will be referring to the young Euro players taken by the NBA. Many of these players were taken on POTENTIAL, not purely credentials in the EL or European basketball.

For example, I know that one of the players being eyed in the lottery is Dario Saric. Now we all know that Dario is rated highly by both Euro scouts and NBA scouts, but if you look at what he has done in the EL(Im not even sure if he has played EL ball) or European leagues, he probably is not all that impressive yet.

So let's say the NBA takes him, and then in 3 years, he's doing 17/5/5, then are to going to say he was just a scrub in Europe? This is your argument now with Rubio, Dragic(who tore up the Eurobasket), Calderon(no.2 Spain's starting PG). Same thing with Schved. For the rest of your examples, I am sure many of them have some LIES mixed in there, but I don't have the time to go over them one by one. I know Gabepizza has pretty much debunked all these before.

These are not even close to being good arguments. If you believe this, then you are of course deranged.

Goran Dragic played as a 3rd string point guard in Euroleague and Spain for 2 months during the NBA lockout. He started off to be the team's starter, played horrible, went to 2nd string, played horrible, went to 3rd string. It's been said here about 20 times to you and you continue to LIE and pretend it never happened.

Brandon Jennings was a SCRUB in Euroleague (he ended up as his team's 3rd string point guard after he played so bad), 3 months later he scored 55 points in an NBA game.

Ty Lawson was a borderline SCRUB for 3 months in Europe, and then one week later was tearing up the NBA.

Ricky Rubio was a borderline SCRUB that was benched in Euroleague, as he had been relegated to his team's 3rd string point guard (he had been playing absolutely HORRIBLE for like 2 years), and 3 months later was surprising in the NBA as a rookie, until he got injured.

Jose Calderon wasn't even "young" by NBA standards when he came to the NBA, so that was another one of your outright blatant lies.


The list goes on and on and on and on.


gabepizza is a lying narcissistic psychopath and so are you.

[Euroleague]

Serbia has Micic, Bogdanovic and Jokic while Croatia has Hezonja, Saric and Nurkic. I'm not saying othere countries don't have talented players but no othere countries have 3 players of that age who can already play on high level.

OK, so I don't know what you mean by "already play on a high level". That is vague and I don't know what your criteria is there. But you said, 3 players at that age.

That goes back to 1992 onwards, and you say 3 players each. I tell you what. I will give you Serbia and Croatia COMBINED. That's both countries COMBINED - that's all 6 of those together, going back to 1992 (Bogdanovic).

I don't know for sure again, what you mean by, "already play on a high level"........

But, Greece by itself can beat that 6.

PG Lefteris Bochoridis - '94
SG Thanasis Antetokounmpo - '92
SF Giannis Antetokounmpo -'94 or Ioannis Papapetrou - '94 (take your pick on which one you like better)
PF Vasileios Charalampopoulos - '97
C Georgios Papagiannis - '97

6th man Linos Chrysikopoulos - '92 (6th man because he can play 4 positions on offense and defense)

Greece right there can beat Croatia and Serbia combined. I also could substitute Michalis Kamperidis - '94 in at power forward over Charalampopoulos, and then put Charalampopoulos as the 6th man. That is if you want to argue about all the injuries that Chrysikopoulos has had. It's still better than Croatia and Serbia combined.

I could also probably switch Papagiannis at center with Georgios Diamantakos - '95, if you wanted to argue that Papagiannis is playing in USA in high school and didn't want to count him because of that. I still think it would be better than that 6 you listed of Croatia and Serbia combined.

So yes, in most times Serbia has the best talent. Then it's usually Lithuania and Croatia, and you have Spain, France, Greece coming after that.

But no, it's not Serbia right now. I know there is tons of endless hype about this Serbia and Croatia class right now, but so what?

That's how hype is. Just look at Rubio is next Nash or Maravich and Mirotic is next Dirk hype from USA. It's how hype works.

Greece has the top talent by far at this time. If you don't know it, then you need to look a little closer.

[luckylucy]

Jose Calderon wasn't shit in Euroleague. Solid to good NBA starter.

Calderon was dunking all over in the Spanish league, he was quite athletic back then. And he was good.

[Euroleague]

Calderon was dunking all over in the Spanish league, he was quite athletic back then. And he was good.

The Spanish League isn't the Euroleague. They are two different leagues genius. The Euroleague is a higher level league.

He was a below average player for 2 years, and in his last year he was just a good Euroleague player on offense and a terrible one on defense. Nothing more than that. He was most definitely never a star or anything even remotely approaching that in any way at any time when he was in Euroleague. He was just another player there.

But of course the NBA only fan clowns in this forum will claim he was "dominant" and he "destroyed" Euroleague. He never even had more than 2.6 assists per game average in Euroleague. Compare that to his assist numbers in the NBA.

Yeah, and we have this MEGA CLOWN Dr.J.4ever here in this thread claiming over and over that the NBA has "superior defense".

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

He also tried to claim that Calderon played in Euroleague as a very young player, and that he came to the NBA as a very young and undeveloped player.............

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Yeah, you know, because 24 year old rookies are considered so very young in the NBA.........................


Jose Calderon in the Euroleague:


2002-03

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=BDG&seasoncode=E2002

7.5 points
1.4 assists

2003-04

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=BDG&seasoncode=E2003

7.2 points
2.0 assists

2004-05

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=BDG&seasoncode=E2004

11.6 points
2.6 assists

[luckylucy]

But of course the NBA only fan clowns in this forum will claim he was "dominant" and he "destroyed" Euroleague. He never even had more than 2.6 assists per game average in Euroleague. Compare that to his assist numbers in the NBA.


He used to play shooting guard here.

[Euroleague]

He used to play shooting guard here.

What is your point?

A guy that is considered too soft to play center in Euroleague (Antic) is the starting center in the NBA with the Hawks...

A guy that could only average 2-3 assists in the Euroleague (Calderon) and is considered a combo guard that plays 1-2 even now still for Spain (played 2 just this last summer) averages 8-9 assists per game in the NBA....

and yes I know these assists are counted differently, but that does not explain that kind of difference. If anything, it just further proves how fake and imaginary all the NBA stats are.

That's the WHOLE POINT.

Of how INCREDIBLY and EXTREMELY OVERRATED the NBA is and how unbelievably full of shit these NBA only fans are.

[gabepizza]

So how come the "non athletic Spanoulis" can play year round every single year without taking PEDs, but the "athletically superior" Team USA has to take off 2-3 summers in a row even though they are on PEDs?

Strange................somehow it does not add up. Your own comments once again completely contradict and totally 100% are hypocritical.

Spanoulis has vastly superior conditioning and durability WITHOUT the PEDs, to the what you call "vastly athletic superior" players, and then you somehow come up with that means he has less..............

Again, proving what a colossal idiot you are.


And I've never before in my entire life seen someone bash and criticise a player for having the balls and will power and toughness to be able to man up and play through injuries and still be able to be effective........


Oh yeah, but wait, according to you, "Derrick Rose is vastly athletically superior" and "his body can athletically hold hold up and has the conditioning to last", but poor Spanoulis' can't.

Yeah, Rose would be out for 2 seasons with the injuries that Spanoulis misses one week to 3 wees for. And somehow in your mind, this makes Spanoulis "inferior".


Also, more proof of what a psychopath this gabepizza truly is. As has been pointed out here hundreds of times, his lies, his hypocrisy and his double standards........

Spanoulis "sucked" in EuroBasket despite being the 3rd scorer at the tournament, while for example he claimed Rubio was "dominant", when he averaged 1.2 points per game at 2011 EuroBasket.

Spanoulis "sucked" in Euroleague for making the All-Euroleague Team, while for example he describes literally dozens of players, and numerous ones just in this thread as "superstars", "legends", "GOATs", "unstoppable", "dominant", etc. because they made the All-Euroleague team...........and never mind that Spanoulis made more All-Euroleague teams than ANY of the players he names.


Just again, and again, and again, and again, PROVING what a complete liar, hypocrite, and psychopath he is.

You conveniently left out how he also led the tournament in turnovers and his team to an 11th place finish. But I guess after being eliminated by Nigeria in the OQT that's a step up for the scrub.

And Team USA don't have to take 2 or 3 summers off in a row, that's what happens when you win gold but Spanoulis wouldn't know that with his 11th place finishes.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Oly BC]

that's what happens when you win gold
No, that's what happens when you don't compete in a eurobasket every two years.

[Oly BC]

He used to play shooting guard here.
"He assisted like a shooting guard and scored like a point guard" is the right way to put it.

[SexSymbol]

Goran Dragic played as a 3rd string point guard in Euroleague and Spain for 2 months during the NBA lockout. He started off to be the tean's starter, played horrible, went to 2nd string, played horrible, went to 3rd string. It's been said here about 20 times to you and you continue to LIE and pretend it never happened.

Brandon Jennings was a SCRUB in Euroleague (he ended up as his team's 3rd string point guard after he played so bad), 3 months later he scored 55 points in an NBA game.

Ty Lawson was a borderline SCRUB for 3 months in Europe, and then one week later was tearing up the NBA.

Ricky Rubio was a borderline SCRUB that was benched in Euroleague, as he had been relegated to his team's 3rd string point guard (he had been playing absolutely HORRIBLE for like 2 years), and 3 months later was surprising in the NBA as a rookie, until he got injured.

Jose Calderon wasn't even "young" by NBA standards when he came to the NBA, so that was another one your outright blatant lies.


The list goes on and on and on and on.


gabepizza is a lying narcissistic psychopath and so are you.
You're talking shit again
Brandon Jennings was ****ing young, of course nobody's giving him the chance.
It's very rare that anybody under 20 YO would get significant minutes in Europe.
Ty Lawson wasn't a scrub in EL. He wasn't dominant or anything, but it was clear that he did not give a **** about being in

[Oly BC]

[QUOTE=SexSymbol]
Ty Lawson wasn't a scrub in EL. He wasn't dominant or anything, but it was clear that he did not give a **** about being in

[Jon_Koncak]

No, that's what happens when you don't compete in a eurobasket every two years.

Wut?As if USA would have any trouble winning this tournament:lol

[Fiba basketball]

OK, so I don't know what you mean by "already play on a high level". That is vague and I don't know what your criteria is there. But you said, 3 players at that age.

That goes back to 1992 onwards, and you say 3 players each. I tell you what. I will give you Serbia and Croatia COMBINED. That's both countries COMBINED - that's all 6 of those together, going back to 1992 (Bogdanovic).

I don't know for sure again, what you mean by, "already play on a high level"........

But, Greece by itself can beat that 6.

PG Lefteris Bochoridis - '94
SG Thanasis Antetokounmpo - '92
SF Giannis Antetokounmpo -'94 or Ioannis Papapetrou - '94 (take your pick on which one you like better)
PF Vasileios Charalampopoulos - '97
C Georgios Papagiannis - '97

6th man Linos Chrysikopoulos - '92 (6th man because he can play 4 positions on offense and defense)

Greece right there can beat Croatia and Serbia combined. I also could substitute Michalis Kamperidis - '94 in at power forward over Charalampopoulos, and then put Charalampopoulos as the 6th man. That is if you want to argue about all the injuries that Chrysikopoulos has had. It's still better than Croatia and Serbia combined.

I could also probably switch Papagiannis at center with Georgios Diamantakos - '95, if you wanted to argue that Papagiannis is playing in USA in high school and didn't want to count him because of that. I still think it would be better than that 6 you listed of Croatia and Serbia combined.

So yes, in most times Serbia has the best talent. Then it's usually Lithuania and Croatia, and you have Spain, France, Greece coming after that.

But no, it's not Serbia right now. I know there is tons of endless hype about this Serbia and Croatia class right now, but so what?

That's how hype is. Just look at Rubio is next Nash or Maravich and Mirotic is next Dirk hype from USA. It's how hype works.

Greece has the top talent by far at this time. If you don't know it, then you need to look a little closer.
By playing already at high level I'm talking about Saric being MVP of ABA league, Bogdanovic being one of best scorers and rising star of EL, Jokic and Micic being key players on Mega Vizura, Nurkic probably best C in ABA. Only Hezonja doesn't have consistant playing time but he was mvp of the week once in Endesa which is impressive for player born in 95. You are being very bias when saying Greek players you named would beat players I named. Micic is by far the best pg born in 94 so don't know how can you say Bochoridis is better. Bogdanovic was rising star of EL, you realy think Thanasis, who if I'm not wrong played in D League, is better. Giannis is most talented Greek player and he might become great but only advantage he has over Saric is speed so at the moment Saric is a lot better. I watched Greek u16 team last year against Serbia and I wasn't impressed with your big man ( although I wasn't impressed with Peno too and he was voted MVP ) who got outplayed by Serbian bigs who aren't even close as talented as Jokic ( most talented pf in Europe ) and Nurkic ( most talented C in Europe ). I won't even mention Hezonja who in my oppinion has best chances of becoming best European player in the future.

[Oly BC]

Bogdan is the only player actually tested on a high level. You're really flattering ABA league.

[Oly BC]

Wut?As if USA would have any trouble winning this tournament:lol
Try to read what I was answering to... :facepalm

[Fiba basketball]

Bogdan is the only player actually tested on a high level. You're really flattering ABA league.
I know just how good ABA league is that's why I only talk about players who play great against best teams in ABA ( like Partizan, Red Star, Cedevica ) and not players who have great stats against Solnok or Radnicki.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=SexSymbol]You're talking shit again
Brandon Jennings was ****ing young, of course nobody's giving him the chance.
It's very rare that anybody under 20 YO would get significant minutes in Europe.
Ty Lawson wasn't a scrub in EL. He wasn't dominant or anything, but it was clear that he did not give a **** about being in

[Euroleague]

By playing already at high level I'm talking about Saric being MVP of ABA league, Bogdanovic being one of best scorers and rising star of EL, Jokic and Micic being key players on Mega Vizura, Nurkic probably best C in ABA. Only Hezonja doesn't have consistant playing time but he was mvp of the week once in Endesa which is impressive for player born in 95. You are being very bias when saying Greek players you named would beat players I named. Micic is by far the best pg born in 94 so don't know how can you say Bochoridis is better. Bogdanovic was rising star of EL, you realy think Thanasis, who if I'm not wrong played in D League, is better. Giannis is most talented Greek player and he might become great but only advantage he has over Saric is speed so at the moment Saric is a lot better. I watched Greek u16 team last year against Serbia and I wasn't impressed with your big man ( although I wasn't impressed with Peno too and he was voted MVP ) who got outplayed by Serbian bigs who aren't even close as talented as Jokic ( most talented pf in Europe ) and Nurkic ( most talented C in Europe ). I won't even mention Hezonja who in my oppinion has best chances of becoming best European player in the future.

Like I said, you don't know, and you clearly need to look a little more. You are making blanket statements that are wrong. Not a whole lot better than what gabepizza does really.

I'm not being biased at all on anything about Greek players. The bias is coming from you. I said as normal, Serbia usually has the best talent, although they basically never do anything at all with it, which is strange, sad, and unfortunate.

But, it's definitely not the case right now. I even said I know there is all this hype about the Serbia and Croatia young players, but don't get into the hype to drive all of that. They have great young talent - it's not THE best.

Greece has the best, and you need to check it before you dismiss what you are being told. Because I guarantee you, I have been scouting all of these players and Greece is BY FAR in front.

Croatia has Saric, which is really good, but Greece has guys like Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis, Chrysikopoulos (when he gets healthy he would blow people away), all 3 Antetokounmpo brothers with very high potential (every bit as high or higher than someone like Hezonja), Diamantakos every bit as good or better than those big men you listed....

Kamperidis that is an extremely explosive power forward, Bochoridis that you obviously have zero clue about if you think he's not comparable to Micic, he's EXTREMELY good for a 20 year old point guard.

Papapetrou - hell, you could make an argument that if he was on Partizan he would be better than Bogdanovic. Not saying for sure, but it's possible.

And I think you have clearly no clue how good Papagiannis is. No clue how good Charalampopoulos is. You just flat out say Anteokounmpo is the best?

You really have no clue how talented Papagiannis and Charalampopoulos are. Papagiannis is an absolute once in a generation talent for a center.

You need to start doing some scouting on these players. You clearly have no clue how good they are. Charalampopoulos for example is light years better at the same age than Antetokounmpo was.

And Kostas Antetokounmpo....THIS is the REAL Greek Freak.

I see in all honesty, Saric at the peak there, and Greece with several players at that kind of potential.

[Dr.J4ever]

Like I said, you don't know, and you clearly need to look a little more. You are making blanket statements that are wrong. Not a whole lot better than what gabepizza does really.

I'm not being biased at all on anything about Greek players. The bias is coming from you. I said as normal, Serbia usually has the best talent, although they basically never do anything at all with it, which is strange, sad, and unfortunate.

But, it's definitely not the case right now. I even said I know there is all this hype about the Serbia and Croatia young players, but don't get into the hype to drive all of that. They have great young talent - it's not THE best.

Greece has the best, and you need to check it before you dismiss what you are being told. Because I guarantee you, I have been scouting all of these players and Greece is BY FAR in front.

Croatia has Saric, which is really good, but Greece has guys like Charalampopoulos, Papagiannis, Chrysikopoulos (when he gets healthy he would blow people away), all 3 Antetokounmpo brothers with very high potential (every bit as high or higher than someone like Hezonja), Diamantakos every bit as good or better than those big men you listed....

Kamperidis that is an extremely explosive power forward, Bochoridis that you obviously have zero clue about if you think he's not comparable to Micic, he's EXTREMELY good for a 20 year old point guard.

Papapetrou - hell, you could make an argument that if he was on Partizan he would be better than Bogdanovic. Not saying for sure, but it's possible.

And I think you have clearly no clue how good Papagiannis is. No clue how good Charalampopoulos is. You just flat out say Anteokounmpo is the best?

You really have no clue how talented Papagiannis and Charalampopoulos are. Papagiannis is an absolute once in a generation talent for a center.

You need to start doing some scouting on these players. You clearly have no clue how good they are. Charalampopoulos for example is light years better at the same age than Antetokounmpo was.

And Kostas Antetokounmpo....THIS is the REAL Greek Freak.

I see in all honesty, Saric at the peak there, and Greece with several players at that kind of potential.

I guarantee once any of these young players with a lot of POTENTIAL, but not really impressive EL or European league stats at this point of their careers are taken by the NBA in the draft, you will call them "scrubs" in Euro ball, even if they're Greek.

That is a guarantee.:facepalm

[Euroleague]

I guarantee once any of these young players with a lot of POTENTIAL, but not really impressive EL or European league stats at this point of their careers are taken by the NBA in the draft, you will call them "scrubs" in Euro ball, even if they're Greek.

That is a guarantee.:facepalm

I guarantee that you are a psychopath. Take any of the online tests to confirm it.

[Black and White]

I guarantee that you are a psychopath. Take any of the online tests to confirm it.

Hey Euroleague, another ex NBA player won Euroleague MVP, you have nothing else to say anymore, Euroleague is where NBA role players become stars, take the L.

PS: Vassilis is still garbage

[Euroleague]

Hey Euroleague, another ex NBA player won Euroleague MVP, you have nothing else to say anymore, Euroleague is where NBA role players become stars, take the L.

PS: Vassilis is still garbage

Pablo Prigioni - washed up Euroleague has been................

NBA is where washed up Euroleague has beens go to become relevant again.

P.S. - your posts are still all trolls.

[gabepizza]

Pablo Prigioni - washed up Euroleague has been................

NBA is where washed up Euroleague has beens go to become relevant again.

P.S. - your posts are still all trolls.


Sergio Rodriquez, an NBA scrub, was freaking Euroleague MVP. That is pathetic beyond belief. You have to shut up now.

[Im Still Ballin]

Sergio Rodriquez, an NBA scrub, was freaking Euroleague MVP. That is pathetic beyond belief. You have to shut up now.
Hey bae.

[luckylucy]

Sergio Rodriquez, an NBA scrub, was freaking Euroleague MVP. That is pathetic beyond belief. You have to shut up now.
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[Euroleague]

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