Players That Always Get Passes/Excuses

[SilkkTheShocker]

Im talking about the guys that rarely get blamed for anything.

We all know that Duncan and Tony Parker are already the two biggest examples of this. Duncan misses a game tying shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep. So he is at the one spot. But who else?

CP3 - No excuse this year for not at least going to the WCF
Wall- People are still living off of his "potential"
Bosh - Got a pass for playing like absolute s.hit in the last two rounds of the playoffs

Who else?

[kNicKz]

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[TheReturn]

This is not going to be a popular statement, but I don't think I've ever seen Lakers fans be critical of Kobe.

[MP.Trey]

Im talking about the guys that rarely get blamed for anything.

We all know that Duncan and Tony Parker are already the two biggest examples of this. Duncan misses and game tying and shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep. So he is at the one spot. But who else?

CP3 - No excuse this year for not at least going to the WCF
Wall- People are still living off of his "potential"
Bosh - Got a pass for playing like absolute s.hit in the last two rounds of the playoffs

Who else?
Duncan I can agree with, a lot of big moments he has come up short. But 4 championships as the guy, and with how many times he's come up HUGE for the Spurs. You can understand why he gets a pass.

CP3 I can also agree with, his playoff play needs to get better.

But Wall? He's only 23. I don't see a problem with still giving him some points for potential. And he put up 18/8/4 last year when he played. The kid still has a chance, won't be a HOF player I don't think. But all-star level for years to come.

And Bosh? C'mon. We all know he's gotten no passes at all from anyone. Even Heat fans themselves hate that guy.

[CeltsGarlic]

KD is kind of a good example. Ive never seen him getting crucified for Thunders' shortcomings.

[longtime lurker]

Lebron

[Doranku]

CP3 is definitely #1. Someone called him an "all-time great PG" in another thread... dude has been in the league since '05 and has yet to make it past the second round.

Yet people keep crowning him the best PG in the league, blah blah blah. It's like the playoffs don't count for him.

[ralph_i_el]

Im talking about the guys that rarely get blamed for anything.

We all know that Duncan and Tony Parker are already the two biggest examples of this. Duncan misses and game tying and shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep. So he is at the one spot. But who else?

CP3 - No excuse this year for not at least going to the WCF
Wall- People are still living off of his "potential"
Bosh - Got a pass for playing like absolute s.hit in the last two rounds of the playoffs

Who else?

duncan and TP have the championships and finals MVPs to outweigh anything else in their careers.

CP3- Always has played his balls off even when his teams failed in the playoffs. remember the 2011 Hornets-Lakers series?

Wall- Watch him play. He's absolutely a game changer NOW **** potential.

Bosh- :confusedshrug: damn it's true




Kobe gets a pass for everything from half of people, and never gets a pass from the other half

Harden gets a pass for no D

[imdaman99]

You bring up Wall, but no mention of Kyrie Irving? Kyrie Abdur-Raheem, better get the Cavs to the playoffs this year. There's already countless threads about his handles, and supposedly breaking someone's ankles meanwhile the defender got picked.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

CP3 is definitely #1. Someone called him an "all-time great PG" in another thread... dude has been in the league since '05 and has yet to make it past the second round.

Yet people keep crowning him the best PG in the league, blah blah blah. It's like the playoffs don't count for him.

He has no excuses this year - but again, it really depends on how his team plays.

Basketball is a team sport, not 1v5 and that 1 takes you further into each round by himself. :lol

[KyleKong]

Duncan misses and game tying and shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep.

This is actually a really good point.

Duncan had 2 chances to tie the game, both of them are shots he has made a million times in his career, and missed.

Could you imagine if LeBron was the one who missed those two shots in game 7? ISH would have exploded.

[MP.Trey]

He has no excuses this year - but again, it really depends on how his team plays.

Basketball is a team sport, not 1v5 and that 1 takes you further into each round by himself. :lol
That was CP's main problem in last years playoffs, I found. Tried to do too much himself and didn't trust his teammates enough.

[Flash31]

You bring up Wall, but no mention of Kyrie Irving? Kyrie Abdur-Raheem, better get the Cavs to the playoffs this year. There's already countless threads about his handles, and supposedly breaking someone's ankles meanwhile the defender got picked.

Kobe Bryant
last 3 yrs lost and yet nothing
Carmelo sure he gets made fun of for not reaching far in playoffs but nobody really says much about his failures

Last season Shot more FGA than Anybody Else in 2 Rounds,
had Only 4 Assists in One Round

D Rose lost in 2011,had best record,and is constantly seen as MVP caliber
shot 44% as MVP candidate,got ahut down by the heat and yet the media gives him a pass and says Bulls can beat heat time and timr again bc of D Rose

Rondo,HOrrible Horrible Shooting and has FT percentage on par with Dwight yet the media calls him best pure pg,probably bc he gets lots of assists(statpadding hard)and He cant shoot at ALL
even Jason Kidd cud shoot better and wasnt 50% from line when called best pure pg

KD gets a pass for losing to heat in Finals even though his statline looked good
was invisible on d,and got a lot of pts in garbagr time,and then lost to the Mavs,Grizz which he shot hirribly from and did barely anything else if note besides shoot

Irving,claimed as top 5 pg great player yet Cavs havent Won 30 games Much less 40 since LeBron,if people want to call him great at least win

K Love,the Timberwolves havent been in the playoffs at all since he was on the wolves yet is claimed as one of best PF,a 20-10 guy yet is invisible on d
and the Team hasnt even won enough not to be compared to the Bobcats

Both Love,Irving
Perennial Lottery Teams yet their supposed to be these great players

Dirk Nowitzki,got a pass for losing as num 1 seed
ever since he won in 2011,nobody says anything bad
its like he went from choking in playoffs over and over and lack of d
to clutch killer god,
He still sucks on d and hasnt been to playoffs since 2011,and hasnt won much or wven put up many stats
without a good c,he falters,needs to a good d centrr to cover up his weakness which is he cant play defense

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That was CP's main problem in last years playoffs, I found. Tried to do too much himself and didn't trust his teammates enough.

Not really. An efficient 23/7 with sound defense...you really couldn't ask for more, or less from your PG.

Blake/Butler/DJ/Crawford all had opportunities (look at their FGA), they just never converted.

[SilkkTheShocker]

No clue why anyone is even saying LeBron or Kobe. Both get blamed for everything.

[Young X]

CP3 is definitely #1. Someone called him an "all-time great PG" in another thread... dude has been in the league since '05 and has yet to make it past the second round.

Yet people keep crowning him the best PG in the league, blah blah blah. It's like the playoffs don't count for him.He averages 21/10/5/2 in the playoffs. How many PG's have a better combination of offense, defense, rebounding, and efficiency than CP?

Your fav player didn't win sh!t either when he played with mediocre help in the playoffs.

[demons2005]

you just made the ultimate ISH faux-pas by pointing out CP is a playoff loser. prepare for 99% of ISH to ironically swarm you with excuses and insults to protect their beloved flopper.

[riseagainst]

No clue why anyone is even saying LeBron or Kobe. Both get blamed for everything.

pretty much this.

The two most bashed players in the league and people are saying they get a pass for everything.

:roll:

[MP.Trey]

Not really. An efficient 23/7 with sound defense...you really couldn't ask for more, or less from your PG.

Blake/Butler/DJ/Crawford all had opportunities (look at their FGA), they just never converted.
Chris Paul averaged 3 more FGA's per game in the playoffs compared to the regular season (on a better percentage, but still shot more) and dished out nearly 4 less assists.

And every other players FGA went down in the playoffs:

Blake Griffin shot 2 less FG's per game than usual in the playoffs. Although he was injured partly so I can understand that.

Butler averaged 1.5 less FGA.

DJ averaged 2 less FGA.

Crawford averaged 3 FGA less.

Bledsoe averaged 2.5 less FGA.

Matt Barnes averaged 1 FGA less.


And those are just the stats you told me to look up. Simply from watching the ending of these games you could tell Paul had no trust in his teammates. When he would defer, you know he didn't want to.

[Myth]

We all know that Duncan and Tony Parker are already the two biggest examples of this. Duncan misses a game tying shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep. So he is at the one spot. But who else?



That's because Duncan should have already won game 6 if it weren't for Pop subbing him out/teammates failing; plus, Duncan is old and wasn't expected to get that far in the first place.

[Fudge]

Kobe Bryant
last 3 yrs lost and yet nothing
Carmelo sure he gets made fun of for not reaching far in playoffs but nobody really says much about his failures

Last season Shot more FGA than Anybody Else in 2 Rounds,
had Only 4 Assists in One Round

D Rose lost in 2011,had best record,and is constantly seen as MVP caliber
shot 44% as MVP candidate,got ahut down by the heat and yet the media gives him a pass and says Bulls can beat heat time and timr again bc of D Rose

Rondo,HOrrible Horrible Shooting and has FT percentage on par with Dwight yet the media calls him best pure pg,probably bc he gets lots of assists(statpadding hard)and He cant shoot at ALL
even Jason Kidd cud shoot better and wasnt 50% from line when called best pure pg

KD gets a pass for losing to heat in Finals even though his statline looked good
was invisible on d,and got a lot of pts in garbagr time,and then lost to the Mavs,Grizz which he shot hirribly from and did barely anything else if note besides shoot

Irving,claimed as top 5 pg great player yet Cavs havent Won 30 games Much less 40 since LeBron,if people want to call him great at least win

K Love,the Timberwolves havent been in the playoffs at all since he was on the wolves yet is claimed as one of best PF,a 20-10 guy yet is invisible on d
and the Team hasnt even won enough not to be compared to the Bobcats

Both Love,Irving
Perennial Lottery Teams yet their supposed to be these great players

Dirk Nowitzki,got a pass for losing as num 1 seed
ever since he won in 2011,nobody says anything bad
its like he went from choking in playoffs over and over and lack of d
to clutch killer god,
He still sucks on d and hasnt been to playoffs since 2011,and hasnt won much or wven put up many stats
without a good c,he falters,needs to a good d centrr to cover up his weakness which is he cant play defense
So pretty much every star in the league? :oldlol: Quit stretching it you clown. Learn how to use some spaces and proper sentences as well.

Btw, Dallas was in the playoffs the year after they won the title.

[Fresh Kid]

lebron james get excuses for his asterisk ringz and dats not right at all.

[DukeDelonte13]

Kenneth Faried's awful defense is never brought up.

[ninephive]

This is actually a really good point.

Duncan had 2 chances to tie the game, both of them are shots he has made a million times in his career, and missed.

Could you imagine if LeBron was the one who missed those two shots in game 7? ISH would have exploded.
What are you talking about? Lebron DID miss shots at the end of Game 6 to tie it, not to mention turning the ball over and just in general playing terrible the last 2 minutes of that elimination game.

[3peated]

stockton/malone?

[kshutts1]

If we are talking about Paul getting passes.... for anyone that says Paul does not get a pass, where do you fall on the TMac argument?

[Mr Exlax]

Kobe
LeBron
Jordan

[branslowski]

CP3 is definitely #1. Someone called him an "all-time great PG" in another thread... dude has been in the league since '05 and has yet to make it past the second round.

Yet people keep crowning him the best PG in the league, blah blah blah. It's like the playoffs don't count for him.

On ISH, where advanced stats and FG%= more important than leadership/will to win and titles? Ofcource he's listed as the best.

Eye ball test actually watching the games? Floor leadership and skills along with the guts to will ur team to victory or be clutch? Give me Rose, Westbrook, and Curry over CP3.

[russwest0]

No clue why anyone is even saying LeBron or Kobe. Both get blamed for everything.

:biggums: TF?

What about the "Miami Cavaliers!!!" cries from the media when LeBron was playing like shit?

[MavsSuperFan]

CP3 never gets shit for failing to win.

[SilkkTheShocker]

That's because Duncan should have already won game 6 if it weren't for Pop subbing him out/teammates failing; plus, Duncan is old and wasn't expected to get that far in the first place.
Another lame excuse of that missed shot. :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:biggums: TF?

What about the "Miami Cavaliers!!!" cries from the media when LeBron was playing like shit?
What are you talking about? They were called that because Lebron was carrying them most of the east playoffs. Man you OKC hicks are dumb.

[NumberSix]

:biggums: TF?

What about the "Miami Cavaliers!!!" cries from the media when LeBron was playing like shit?
This niqqa been smokin tumbleweeds?

[Sakkreth]

:biggums: TF?

What about the "Miami Cavaliers!!!" cries from the media when LeBron was playing like shit?

You are probably even dumber than Westbrick...

[Fiasco]

That was CP's main problem in last years playoffs, I found. Tried to do too much himself and didn't trust his teammates enough.

What games were you watching? Blake got injured and the rest of the team disappeared.

[MP.Trey]

What games were you watching? Blake got injured and the rest of the team disappeared.
I explained myself on the second page. I know Blake was hurt. But CP was the only one shooting more than usual to compensate while everyone else struggled to get their usual number of shot attempts. You can choose to look at that two ways;

Either Paul was the only one who stepped up, and his teammates didn't do their job. Which was part of it. I agree that Crawford, Butler, etc. should have hit more shots but they also should have got more shots.

or

Paul shot the ball too much. He was efficient shooting the ball despite the higher workload. But all of his teammates shot the ball a lot worse when they weren't getting the same amount of shots up the usually do.

I'm not saying it all falls on Paul. But he has to take some of the blame, he played selfishly at times and although he did make some ridiculous shots and keep them in some games. I feel he should have been less tentative with his teammates, and worked to get them more into the games. It's like when Blake went down, he went all hero mode and tried to win himself IMO.

[G-train]

Most retired players pre 2000 get passes, as the exposure wasn't the same back then.

[NumberSix]

Jarrett Jack

[Fudge]

Jarrett Jack
God damn that Jarrett Jack and his stupid Golden State Warriors. :banghead:

[NumberSix]

God damn that Jarrett Jack and his stupid Golden State Warriors. :banghead:
He's a Cleveland Cavaliers

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Rondo,HOrrible Horrible Shooting and has FT percentage on par with Dwight yet the media calls him best pure pg,probably bc he gets lots of assists(statpadding hard)and He cant shoot at ALL
even Jason Kidd cud shoot better and wasnt 50% from line when called best pure pg

:oldlol: Rondo gets a pass? According to sports media/fans he's a statpadding headcase who the Celtics are better without & is solely responsible for KG/Pierce/Allen/Doc leaving Boston.

[97 bulls]

I think it depends on who you're asking. The "haters" of a particular player will neve allow their transgressions to die.

I think a better question would be which player gets the most criticised and underappreciated

[ClutchOver9000]

The star PG of the Clippers

[andremiller07]

Serge Ibaka: After Westbrook went down the guy shat the bed and did nothing on offence and his so called "elite" defense (which is a complete myth) was him getting shat on by Gasol and Z-Bo in the paint time after time. Thunder invested hard in him and yet no one ever has blamed him for the Thunders failings or lack of production when asked to step up.

[Bandito]

Im talking about the guys that rarely get blamed for anything.

We all know that Duncan and Tony Parker are already the two biggest examples of this. Duncan misses a game tying shot in game 7 of the Finals and you don't hear a peep. So he is at the one spot. But who else?

CP3 - No excuse this year for not at least going to the WCF
Wall- People are still living off of his "potential"
Bosh - Got a pass for playing like absolute s.hit in the last two rounds of the playoffs

Who else?
Don't forget Lebron and his 2011 choke and Lebron and his prior game 7, 6 finals games playing sub par.

[DaSeba5]

Don't forget Lebron and his 2011 choke and Lebron and his prior game 7, 6 finals games playing sub par.

He doesn't get blamed for that? :confusedshrug:

[It's A VC3!!!]

KD is kind of a good example. Ive never seen him getting crucified for Thunders' shortcomings.
Neither did LeBron when he was his age. Plus, KD didn't have Westbrook last year and the year prior faced a much better Heat team. By the time KD is 27,28, he'll start getting blasted for not winning anything.

[MVBallin2K]

Kobe Bryant
last 3 yrs lost and yet nothing



How right you are. I mean did you see Kobe last year in the Playoffs? Man did he stink it up big time and they lost. It was almost like he wasn't even playing...oh wait.

[PickernRoller]

Duncan by far. Always has been this way.

[Bandito]

He doesn't get blamed for that? :confusedshrug:
He does get a lot of excuses and passes from everyone on the media now. He was crucified at the time thought I'll give you that.

[DaSeba5]

He does get a lot of excuses and passes from everyone on the media now. He was crucified at the time thought I'll give you that.

Yah that's true. You can make an argument for both sides.

[#number6ix#]

Steve Nash

[TheBigVeto]

stockton/malone?

In their defense, it's not their fault - Stern wasn't gonna let the Bulls lose.

But Malone got plenty of shit. Stockton got some shit, mainly from morons who think Isiah/GP/CP3 are better than him.

[TheBigVeto]

This is not going to be a popular statement, but I don't think I've ever seen Lakers fans be critical of Kobe.

This is the honest truth.

[Djsonny]

No clue why anyone is even saying LeBron or Kobe. Both get blamed for everything.

haha not just these two but when a player drives hard to the line for a dunk and takes 3-4 steps with no travel calls. I think the nba waives it to keep the action going, they need to stop that

[GoSpursGo1984]

Carmelo is the player that comes to mind. I love watching him play but if he wants to be considered great he needs to step up in the playoffs.

[Myth]

Another lame excuse of that missed shot. :oldlol:

That wasn't an excuse for the missed shot. It was an explanation for why people don't make a big deal about it.

[DukeDelonte13]

Carmelo is the player that comes to mind. I love watching him play but if he wants to be considered great he needs to step up in the playoffs.


Melo?

Melo is probably the most sh*t on superstar of this generation.

[Fresh Kid]

He doesn't get blamed for that? :confusedshrug:
he doesn't get blamed for having nike making millions insecure merchandises of earned not given, he doesn't get blamed that for his two asterisk rings with two stacked teams, he doesn't get blame for those shitz right cheat fan?:confusedshrug: