Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

[fpliii]

http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2013/10/post_2.html

Title and article from RealGM.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

well the season hasn't even started. anything can happen, remember michael beasley?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Julius Randle has always been 1a and 1b depending on who you talk to and a couple other guys are one good college season away from taking #1 (Harrison Twins, Aaron Gordon and and I'm forgetting someone else)

[KG215]

well the season hasn't even started. anything can happen, remember michael beasley?
Not sure what you mean by Beasley. He was a monster in his one-and-done season. And it was right after the one-and-done rule got put in place. People were going crazy over how unreal Durant's freshman year was at Texas the first year of the one-and-done rule, then Beasley came along the next year and had that was just as good, if not better.

It was Harrison Barnes who came out of high school, was named preseason All-American and got a lot of hype without playing a game. People kind of forget that he actually had a pretty good freshman season, it just didn't live up to the ridiculous hype and unfair expectations he was getting before ever playing in a college game.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Andre Drummond took the same path Wiggins took (coming out of HS 1 year earlier) super athletic big who everyone had #1 on their mock drafts as the #1 of 2012. He didnt play like a #1 pick at UConn and dropped all the way to 10 somehow. I can see the same happening to Wiggins (not dropping to 10 but somewhere in the top 3) especially with such a loaded draft. I can easily see Marcus Smart being the #1 pick. Even Aaron Gordon if he goes off this year. Julius Randle as well

[TheReturn]

There's will always be people looking to hate on the consensus high potentials.

[statman32]

Andre Drummond took the same path Wiggins took (coming out of HS 1 year earlier) super athletic big who everyone had #1 on their mock drafts as the #1 of 2012. He didnt play like a #1 pick at UConn and dropped all the way to 10 somehow. I can see the same happening to Wiggins (not dropping to 10 but somewhere in the top 3) especially with such a loaded draft. I can easily see Marcus Smart being the #1 pick. Even Aaron Gordon if he goes off this year. Julius Randle as well
You have no idea what you are talking about. There was no talk about Drummond being the indisputable #1 pick. Before,during, or after his freshmen year at Uconn. He was simply one of the few options along with Barnes, Davis and a few others.

He also DID NOT come out of HS early. He was going to a 5th year prep school, but decided on going to UConn instead.

[JMT]

You have no idea what you are talking about. There was no talk about Drummond being the indisputable #1 pick. Before,during, or after his freshmen year at Uconn. He was simply one of the few options along with Barnes, Davis and a few others.

He also DID NOT come out of HS early. He was going to a 5th year prep school, but decided on going to UConn instead.

Spot on. Not to mention that Drummond is a legit big at 6'10" and 260+, while Wiggins is 6'7"/6'8" and about 210 soaking wet.

There are a ton of scenarios where a kid that size who hasn't even played a college game ends up being less than the #1.

[outbreak]

No one is a lock going into college, especially in this class there's a number of impressive players who could develop over the season to steal the spot. Wiggins could struggle or have aspects of his game exposed and drop himself.

[alenleomessi]

even if wiggins struggles i cant see anyone passing on him

[Mr. Incredible]

I see him struggling to live up to the hype.

[SyRyanYang]

I think what he really lacks is motivation.

[FreezingTsmoove]

You have no idea what you are talking about. There was no talk about Drummond being the indisputable #1 pick. Before,during, or after his freshmen year at Uconn. He was simply one of the few options along with Barnes, Davis and a few others.

He also DID NOT come out of HS early. He was going to a 5th year prep school, but decided on going to UConn instead.

WTF :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: you have no idea what you were talking about. When Andre was a HS Senior everyone had him as the number 1 pick in the draft. I follow HS basketball a lot there were tons of mocks that had him going #1

[FreezingTsmoove]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/61194/andre-drummond

Please tell me more how the #2 player in the nation, a 6'10 athletic as **** big wasn't the #1 mock for the 2012 draft. The only reason his stock dropped so low during the draft was because how high it was before his freshman season.

[BIZARRO]

I remember going to the McDonald's game and seeing EXACTLY what the GM's in the article said about him. And then I remember coming on here and getting ripped at the same time for saying it.

The kid has got zero aura about him, and although he has sick hops, he just blends in. Anyone who ranks him above Jabari Parker currently is high.

Parker and Randle are sick almost can't miss talents. This kid might one day be good, but he is not a break out talent (yet) by any means.

[statman32]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/61194/andre-drummond

Please tell me more how the #2 player in the nation, a 6'10 athletic as **** big wasn't the #1 mock for the 2012 draft. The only reason his stock dropped so low during the draft was because how high it was before his freshman season.

You made two points in your previous post.

1. Drummond was the projected #1 pick EVERYWHERE before his freshmen year.
2. Drummond also graduated early.

I am glad that you have acknowledged the fact that he didn't graduate early. That is a start but also something that someone who watches so much hs ball should have already known.

Sept 2011 article:

http://www.nbadraft.net/5-pressing-questions-2012-draft


So, if Drummond were to enter the draft, where would he likely be chosen? Well, it appears that Harrison Barnes and Anthony Davis might have major competition for the top spot. Drummond’s motor may be under question, but he has size and athleticism you cannot teach. Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire have both been names thrown around when finding a comparison for Drummond, and neither had Andre’s frame in high school. Drummond’s motor would still be a question, but his potential might indeed make him the first pick in the 2012 draft if he chooses to enter.

July 2011 article:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2011/08/early-top-10-prospects-for-2012-nba-draft/

They have him 4th but most mock drafts around June-July don't have him at all because he was going to Prep school and they were not sure if he would be allowed the opportunity to be in the 2012 draft

August 2011:

http://prospect-central.blogspot.com/2011/08/prospect-central-2012-nba-draft-big.html#.Umie6vmkolQ

#2 behind Davis

August 2011:

http://www.nbadraft.net/andre-drummond-college-choice-none

With a return to prep school, it’s likely that Drummond will be a top two pick in next year’s draft.

July 2011:


The only certainty right now is that Andre Drummond will be one of the top picks -- if not the top pick -- in the 2012 NBA draft. What happens between now and then is anybody's guess, but you can be sure that the outside world is going to start paying a lot more attention. A player this good can only stay under the radar for so long.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/07/28/Andre.Drummond/index.html#ixzz2ibsevwOd

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Draftexpress.com Mock Draft History

Anthony Davis:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Davis-6236/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10: 3
12/08/10: 2
1/05/11: 2
2/01/11: 4
4/11/11-6/28/12: 1

Andre Drummond:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andre-Drummond-5772/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10-4/11/11: Not in mock draft
8/21/11: 3
10/27/11-2/12/12: 2
3/14/12: 4
4/2/12-5/21/12: 2
6/1/12: 5
6/20/12: 6
6/28/12: 9

Harrison Barnes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Harrison-Barnes-5705/mock-draft-history/

8/23/11: 2
10/27/11-12/25/11: 3
1/26/12-2/12/12: 4
3/14/12-6/28/12: 5 or higher


Draft express is one of the most reputable sites that constantly releases mock drafts. Not once did they have Drummond 1st, but somehow he was projected to be the #1 pick EVERYWHERE. Just like Wiggins right?

[Aussie Dunker]

I think Randle, Smart and Parker right now are all better than Wiggins, and if a thing could potential didn't exist then I would choose all three over Wiggins. But Wiggy has the tools to eventually be a once in a decade type player similar but to a lesser extent of a Durant type,

In my humble opinion, I think Randle will BEAST in the college game, and it will come down to him or Wiggy for #1. I think Smart will be #3 and then Parker and Dante (if he nominates) to round out the top 5.

It is very, very rare that someone gets THIS much hype and lives up to it... He is getting borderline as much hype as Lebron did...

On a side note - Durant in a way went under the radar due to Oden being "The next Shaq".

[christian1923]

I think what he really lacks is motivation.
Lmao you've never met or seen the kid play a real game.. How did you come up with that assessment?

[chocolatethunder]

Here's a tip for everyone. Just wait and watch how he does this season and then you'll know. He, like all other college freshmen is an unproven commodity. After this year in school we should all have a better idea of how good heat end up being as a pro. I'm in my 40s and I've seen plenty of player with all the hype turn out to just be ok or busts. When John Wallace was a junior (maybe a sophomore) he was projected as a top pick in the draft but not number one. He went back to Syracuse for a year and ended up being drafted later in the first round and never being a good player. At the end of his junior year he was a "lock" by the end of his senior year he was not. (It could have been his Freshman and sophomore I can't rememebr) so all I'm saying is just be patient and let's see what happens.

[ILLsmak]

Not sure what you mean by Beasley. He was a monster in his one-and-done season. And it was right after the one-and-done rule got put in place. People were going crazy over how unreal Durant's freshman year was at Texas the first year of the one-and-done rule, then Beasley came along the next year and had that was just as good, if not better.

It was Harrison Barnes who came out of high school, was named preseason All-American and got a lot of hype without playing a game. People kind of forget that he actually had a pretty good freshman season, it just didn't live up to the ridiculous hype and unfair expectations he was getting before ever playing in a college game.

Yea but that's stats for you. You (or I) could tell Durant had "it" and Beasley, while being talented, wasn't a superstar.

-Smak

[BoutPractice]

I never understood why Harrison Barnes was thought to be so disappointing in college. He instantly showed that he did not just have a prototypical NBA SF body, but also actual basketball skills, understanding of the game, and a certain poise... Traits which, predictably, have translated very well in the NBA, and made him one of the promising young players in the league.

[secund2nun]

Joel Embiid could end up the best player out of the loaded 2014 draft class. He is really flying under the radar. There are whispers that he is the next Olajuwon. Even his college coach is saying it. He is from Africa as well and just started playing ball in 2011

[Shade8780]

Joel Embiid could end up the best player out of the loaded 2014 draft class. He is really flying under the radar. There are whispers that he is the next Olajuwon. Even his college coach is saying it. He is from Africa as well and just started playing ball in 2011
And Chris Walker is the next Tracy McGrady....

[Eric Cartman]

I never understood why Harrison Barnes was thought to be so disappointing in college. He instantly showed that he did not just have a prototypical NBA SF body, but also actual basketball skills, understanding of the game, and a certain poise... Traits which, predictably, have translated very well in the NBA, and made him one of the promising young players in the league.

Not relevant to this thread, but yeah I agree. High basketball IQ and great playing the small ball 4.

[FreezingTsmoove]

You made two points in your previous post.

1. Drummond was the projected #1 pick EVERYWHERE before his freshmen year.
2. Drummond also graduated early.

I am glad that you have acknowledged the fact that he didn't graduate early. That is a start but also something that someone who watches so much hs ball should have already known.

Sept 2011 article:

http://www.nbadraft.net/5-pressing-questions-2012-draft



July 2011 article:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2011/08/early-top-10-prospects-for-2012-nba-draft/

They have him 4th but most mock drafts around June-July don't have him at all because he was going to Prep school and they were not sure if he would be allowed the opportunity to be in the 2012 draft

August 2011:

http://prospect-central.blogspot.com/2011/08/prospect-central-2012-nba-draft-big.html#.Umie6vmkolQ

#2 behind Davis

August 2011:

http://www.nbadraft.net/andre-drummond-college-choice-none


July 2011:



__________________________________________________ _______________

Draftexpress.com Mock Draft History

Anthony Davis:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Davis-6236/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10: 3
12/08/10: 2
1/05/11: 2
2/01/11: 4
4/11/11-6/28/12: 1

Andre Drummond:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andre-Drummond-5772/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10-4/11/11: Not in mock draft
8/21/11: 3
10/27/11-2/12/12: 2
3/14/12: 4
4/2/12-5/21/12: 2
6/1/12: 5
6/20/12: 6
6/28/12: 9

Harrison Barnes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Harrison-Barnes-5705/mock-draft-history/

8/23/11: 2
10/27/11-12/25/11: 3
1/26/12-2/12/12: 4
3/14/12-6/28/12: 5 or higher


Draft express is one of the most reputable sites that constantly releases mock drafts. Not once did they have Drummond 1st, but somehow he was projected to be the #1 pick EVERYWHERE. Just like Wiggins right?


:oldlol: :oldlol: The only reputable mock sites you posted were after the HS Senior year of Davis and Drummond. Before The senior year HS season began back in 2011 it was CONSENSUS that Drummond would be the #1 pick and he was the #2 player in the nation behind Austin Rivers. DraftExpress is a joke. I wish NBADraft.net kept old mocks they are the most reputable site and they had Drummond #1 befoe the HS Senior year began. Anything after their senior year ended is legit because Davis broke out during his senior year

[FreezingTsmoove]

Also I learned that it is a myth Drummond left HS as I learned on pistons.com after research yesterday.

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/07/myth-andre-drummond-should-have-been-in-high-school-last-year/

As you can see a lot of people including myself fell for the fact Drummond left early

[FreezingTsmoove]

______________________

Draftexpress.com Mock Draft History

Anthony Davis:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Davis-6236/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10: 3
12/08/10: 2
1/05/11: 2
2/01/11: 4
4/11/11-6/28/12: 1

Andre Drummond:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andre-Drummond-5772/mock-draft-history/

11/26/10-4/11/11: Not in mock draft
8/21/11: 3
10/27/11-2/12/12: 2
3/14/12: 4
4/2/12-5/21/12: 2
6/1/12: 5
6/20/12: 6
6/28/12: 9

Harrison Barnes:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Harrison-Barnes-5705/mock-draft-history/

8/23/11: 2
10/27/11-12/25/11: 3
1/26/12-2/12/12: 4
3/14/12-6/28/12: 5 or higher


Draft express is one of the most reputable sites that constantly releases mock drafts. Not once did they have Drummond 1st, but somehow he was projected to be the #1 pick EVERYWHERE. Just like Wiggins right?[/QUOTE]

Bolded is a joke and shows how much of a joke DraftExpress is when dealing with Seniors and Juniors before season started. How you dont have Drummond mocked if a joke.

[DukeDelonte13]

I never understood why Harrison Barnes was thought to be so disappointing in college. He instantly showed that he did not just have a prototypical NBA SF body, but also actual basketball skills, understanding of the game, and a certain poise... Traits which, predictably, have translated very well in the NBA, and made him one of the promising young players in the league.


because he was super overhyped and while he had a solid season he struggled to create for himself.

[Pointguard]

Wiggins is not a lock to be like a Dwade while Jabari Parker is very close to being a more athletic Paul Pierce if Parker's shot shows consistency. When a draft shows five very good prospects something weird always happens - see Darko. I think Wiggins is the guy but he's still an attitude away from number two? I don't think so. Wiggins basement is high cause he's probably a top five athlete in the NBA right now with a good jump shot already, one of the better first steps we seen in awhile and great instincts. He could have a bad college year and still be a consensus number one even with Jabari hitting 45% from three.

[statman32]

:oldlol: :oldlol: The only reputable mock sites you posted were after the HS Senior year of Davis and Drummond. Before The senior year HS season began back in 2011 it was CONSENSUS that Drummond would be the #1 pick and he was the #2 player in the nation behind Austin Rivers. DraftExpress is a joke. I wish NBADraft.net kept old mocks they are the most reputable site and they had Drummond #1 befoe the HS Senior year began. Anything after their senior year ended is legit because Davis broke out during his senior year
You were comparing Wiggins to Drummond. Wiggins was the consensus #1 pick before,during,after his senior year in HS. The same can not be said about Drummond.

Drummond could have been one of the projected #1 picks in the 2013 NBA Draft which is why Draftexpress did not have him in any 2012 mocks. If the whole time you were talking about the 2013 draft, then you would have more of an argument. Still, that draft was almost 3 years away, not 1-2 years away like Wiggins.

[chocolatethunder]

Wiggins is not a lock to be like a Dwade while Jabari Parker is very close to being a more athletic Paul Pierce if Parker's shot shows consistency. When a draft shows five very good prospects something weird always happens - see Darko. I think Wiggins is the guy but he's still an attitude away from number two? I don't think so. Wiggins basement is high cause he's probably a top five athlete in the NBA right now with a good jump shot already, one of the better first steps we seen in awhile and great instincts. He could have a bad college year and still be a consensus number one even with Jabari hitting 45% from three.
Wiggins does not have good jumpshot already and he's not a good ball handler. He's not going to be able to get by on athleticism alone in the league. He's got some improving to do and this year will be a good indicator of the kind of player he can become. D I is a whole different ballgame and the league makes D I look like high school.