Detroit has to turn off the street lights at night.

[longhornfan1234]

I just saw this on news. That's what 50 years of liberal idealism will get you. :roll: :roll:

[DukeDelonte13]

Is that why historically red states cost the government the most money in aid?

[longhornfan1234]

Is that why historically red states cost the government the most money in aid?

More minorities live in red states.

[DeuceWallaces]

You're such an idiot it's unbelievable at times.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Is that why historically red states cost the government the most money in aid?


Red states are largely rural and generate less money.

So if the federal government says "We're gonna give each state x amount of money for infrastructure, x amount of money for schools, etc" its inevitably going to lead to red states receiving a larger proportion relative to what they provide.

Moreover, its libnerds like you who INSIST that the federal government dish out copious amounts of money to everyone, so you have nothing to complain about when red states get assistance.

[DukeDelonte13]

longhorn and oldschool salty cause they know i'm right. :lol

[OldSkoolball#52]

longhorn and oldschool salty cause they know i'm right. :lol


Anyone can say something meaningless or unintelligent and still be "right."


But if this is a big step for you, then you have my support. :applause:

[nathanjizzle]

your daughter isnt even part black.

[bagelred]

I just saw this on news. That's what 50 years of liberal idealism will get you. :roll: :roll:

Trillions of dollars for unnecessary, illegal, Treasury raping, Neo-Conservative Wars
Not enough money for electricity in Detroit.
Blames Liberals.


Sounds about right....

[Dresta]

Is that why historically red states cost the government the most money in aid?
Can't blame them for taking money when it's handed to them on a plate.

48% of Americans receiving money from the state...

:facepalm

Only a utopian fool could think that this kind of spending is sustainable.

[longhornfan1234]

your daughter isnt even part black.


Yes she is. She looks more white because she'e 75% white.

[Droid101]

48% of Americans receiving money from the state...

http://openscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Citation_needed.jpg

[MavsSuperFan]

I just saw this on news. That's what 50 years of liberal idealism will get you. :roll: :roll:
How do you explain that all of the best parts of this country are controlled by liberal idealism? (in terms, of quality of life, low crime, educational outcomes, average incomes, etc)

Eg. Connecticut, San Francisco, Hawaii, Washington state, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Vermont, delaware etc.

All of these areas are controlled by liberals almost exclusively. They may from time to time elect a nominally GOP candidate, but all of the state legislatures and local government are always predominantly liberal democrats and they always break democratic during presidential elections.

How do you conservatives explain that the absolute worst parts of the country are controlled by conservatives?
Eg. Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, kentucky, West Virginia, Arkansas, Missouri, etc.


More minorities live in red states.
Red States are still predominantly non-hispanic white. with the exception of texas Where I believe non-hispanic whites are now a plurality.

Hawaii one of our best states has been majority minority for decades. So has San Francisco, one of our best cities.

Kentucky and West virginia are both lily white and among the worst places in America.

[MavsSuperFan]

your daughter isnt even part black.
dont talk about other peoples kids man. Negged

[Patrick Chewing]

Detroit mayor gets sentenced to 28 years in prison for running that city deeper into the ground, and now regular citizens of America have to open up our wallets to save it.

Yet miraculously, this thread finds the usual Libtards pointing their finger in the opposite direction yet again.

[rufuspaul]

The city doesn't turn them off. I was in Detroit in August and my brother-in-law drove me through some of the blighted areas. What happens is people bust into the housings at the bottom of the lamp posts in order to steal the aluminum plates and the copper wires. The city can't afford to fix them, hence no street lights in the areas where this happens.

[DeuceWallaces]

You don't know what the **** you're talking about (Not Rufus).

Detroit lost a massive amount of its tax base from 1950-1970 by possibly the biggest example of White Flight the country has ever seen. It's now one of the most segregated metro areas in all of the country. This was coupled with the death of manufacturing and the auto industry in the twenty or so years afterwards to leave it in financial ruins. Although the auto industry has rebounded the middle class whites are still no where to be found.

[rufuspaul]

You don't know what the **** you're talking about (Not Rufus).

Detroit lost a massive amount of its tax base from 1950-1970 by possibly the biggest example of White Flight the country has ever seen. It's now one of the most segregated metro areas in all of the country. This was coupled with the death of manufacturing and the auto industry in the twenty or so years afterwards to leave it in financial ruins. Although the auto industry has rebounded the middle class whites are still no where to be found.


Sad state of affairs. Downtown has 3 areas that are like a normal city: The strip from Joe Louis to Ford Field and around the university there, Greek Town, and the Casinos. Everywhere else looks like District 9.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

It's sad because Detroit used to be this time's New York until Liberals ran it down to the ground.
Now with EBT Benefits decreasing starting Novermber 1st, Detroit is one of the top places in which you want to avoid. The DHS has already spent 80 million dollars for riot preparation, I wonder how bad it will get in Detroit the city of entitlements.

[DeuceWallaces]

Ha, you should have seen it in the early 90's. I'm amazed at how good it looks these days. The businesses and bars along the sports corridor were merely a pipe dream when I was a kid. It's a lot better than hanging out at the White Castle in old Tiger Stadium's parking lot.

[DeuceWallaces]

It's sad because Detroit used to be this time's New York until Liberals ran it down to the ground.
Now with EBT Benefits decreasing starting Novermber 1st, Detroit is one of the top places in which you want to avoid. The DHS has already spent 80 million dollars for riot preparation, I wonder how bad it will get in Detroit the city of entitlements.

2/10 troll attempt.

[rufuspaul]

Ha, you should have seen it in the early 90's. I'm amazed at how good it looks these days. The businesses and bars along the sports corridor were merely a pipe dream when I was a kid. It's a lot better than hanging out at the White Castle in old Tiger Stadium's parking lot.


I remember going to a Tigers game in 1998. Had to pay $20 to park and then slip the dude another $20 if you wanted your car to still be there after the game.

[Dresta]

http://openscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Citation_needed.jpg
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/census-benefits-half-obamacare/2013/10/24/id/532902

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/economics/2013/07/02/nearly-half-of-all-americans-receive-benefits-from-one-or-more-government-sponsored-benefit-programs/

:coleman:

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

2/10 troll attempt.
Wtf, how am.I trolling?

[OldSkoolball#52]

You don't know what the **** you're talking about (Not Rufus).

Detroit lost a massive amount of its tax base from 1950-1970 by possibly the biggest example of White Flight the country has ever seen. It's now one of the most segregated metro areas in all of the country. This was coupled with the death of manufacturing and the auto industry in the twenty or so years afterwards to leave it in financial ruins. Although the auto industry has rebounded the middle class whites are still no where to be found.


Wait but so why don't black people just take care of the area they live in??

Areas that are predominantly Hispanic or Asian seem to be reasonably self-sustaining, or at the very least don't crumble into an absolute toilet.

Why don't urban Detroiters just follow suit?

[MadeFromDust]

It's a new cost-saving initiative they are calling, "The Purge" :pimp:

[OldSkoolball#52]

In a recent survey, people from Detroit have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower. In the survey, carried out for a leading toiletries brand, 86% of Detroit residents said that they have had sex in the shower on multiple occasions.

The other 14% said they have not yet been to prison.

[DeuceWallaces]

Wait but so why don't black people just take care of the area they live in??

Areas that are predominantly Hispanic or Asian seem to be reasonably self-sustaining, or at the very least don't crumble into an absolute toilet.

Why don't urban Detroiters just follow suit?

Taking care of your "area" has nothing to do with an eroding tax base.

[Jameerthefear]

what really is "white flight", and why does it effect the economy so much?

[OldSkoolball#52]

Taking care of your "area" has nothing to do with an eroding tax base.


There are plenty of small town areas where people live modestly and without the benefit of big city tax revenue, and they are not remotely as dangerous and disgusting as Detoilet increasingly continues to become.


Detroit is only the beginning of white flight. Cities like Chicago, St Louis, Milwaukee etc will be next. Where are all these blue state liberals now? Reminds me of Civil War era abolitionists who used to look down their high and mighty noses with moral superiority at the slave owning "rednecks" but as soon as freed blacks moved up North into THEIR neighborhoods? They were tryin to drive em right out.

Fact is areas that are heavily black end up worse. Bottom line, period. Everyone wants to be the liberal good guy and call what is true "hate" because they hate the truth, and they dont have the GUTS to be the one to point it out. I dont hate any black people, or any people, simply because of their skin color. But when I see a pattern, Im calling it. I have the balls to do it. Black areas suck ass because too many black people are loud, violent, ignorant and they look like eye sores due to the ridiculous clothes they wear.. Apparently its not just mean old conservatives who feel that way, huh? Or was Detroit overwhelmingly republican amongst whites and thats why they all left? It wa just the meanie republican jerks??

All the liberals talk equality, tolerance, diversity... but where are they when it comes time to live it? Theyre flyin away.

[MavsSuperFan]

what really is "white flight", and why does it effect the economy so much?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

Its when white people move away from an area. In america statistically speaking white people tend to be on average wealthier than latino and black americans. When they move away from an area their incomes go with them. This greatly reduces the tax revenue for that area. Which means bad schools, less police, worse hospitals, etc. This then drives anyone with the means to move away (non-white middle class americans) further eroding the tax base of that area.

Edit: then the economy gets worse, and even more people leave, and it snowballs from there.

In 1940 90.71% of detroit was white and it had a white population of 1,472,662 and a non-hispanic white population of 1,467,506
In 2010 10.61% of detroit was white and it had a white population of 75,758 and a non-hispanic white population of 55,604

Thats basically white flight. detroit in 1950 had a total population of 1,849,568 in 2010 the total was only 713,777. Even the black population of detroit has started to leave the city.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Detroit_riot

it didnt start the white flight from detroit but greatly sped it up.

[Dresta]

There are plenty of small town areas where people live modestly and without the benefit of big city tax revenue, and they are not remotely as dangerous and disgusting as Detoilet increasingly continues to become.


Detroit is only the beginning of white flight. Cities like Chicago, St Louis, Milwaukee etc will be next. Where are all these blue state liberals now? Reminds me of Civil War era abolitionists who used to look down their high and mighty noses with moral superiority at the slave owning "rednecks" but as soon as freed blacks moved up North into THEIR neighborhoods? They were tryin to drive em right out.

Fact is areas that are heavily black end up worse. Bottom line, period. Everyone wants to be the liberal good guy and call what is true "hate" because they hate the truth, and they dont have the GUTS to be the one to point it out. I dont hate any black people, or any people, simply because of their skin color. But when I see a pattern, Im calling it. I have the balls to do it. Black areas suck ass because to many black people are loud, violent, ignorant and they look like eye sores due to the ridiculous clothes they wear.. Apparently its not just mean old conservatives who feel that way, huh? Or was Detroit overwhelmingly republican amongst whites and thats why they all left? It wa just the meanie republican jerks??

All the liberals talk equality, tolerance, diversity... but where are they when it comes time to live it? Theyre flyin away.
The hysterical racial sensitivity of the bulk of self-termed 'liberals' is an overcompensation against their own secretly harboured prejudices. It is the guilty conscience of a closet xenophobe. It all stems from their cowardice: they see the higher crime rates associated with black males, and so when they pass a black man on the street they fear him; shamed by this inner prejudice, they try to mask it by going around calling those innocent of racial prejudice racist, simply because they have the courage to voice an unpopular or controversial opinion. They are also too idiotic to realise that this kind of behaviour and constant appeals to issues of race, only intensifies racial divides, rather than loosening them.

I read an opinion piece the other day that declared Rand Paul a racist for wanting to repeal the civili rights act (1964) and then went on to postulate that libertarianism was a racist philosophy, simply because it allows people to be racist, allows them to express intolerant viewpoints etc.

A bigger pile of buncombe i have not yet read.

[MavsSuperFan]

The hysterical racial sensitivity of the bulk of self-termed 'liberals' is an overcompensation against their own secretly harboured prejudices. It is the guilty conscience of a closet xenophobe. It all stems from their cowardice: they see the higher crime rates associated with black males, and so when they pass a black man on the street they fear him; shamed by this inner prejudice, they try to mask it by going around calling those innocent of racial prejudice racist, simply because they have the courage to voice an unpopular or controversial opinion. They are also too idiotic to realise that this kind of behaviour and constant appeals to issues of race, only intensifies racial divides, rather than loosening them.

I read an opinion piece the other day that declared Rand Paul a racist for wanting to repeal the civili rights act (1964) and then went on to postulate that libertarianism was a racist philosophy, simply because it allows people to be racist, allows them to express intolerant viewpoints etc.

A bigger pile of buncombe i have not yet read.

So people who say it is racist to attribute the failings of the inner city to the fact that black people predominantely reside there, and that there are bunch of social-economic explanations for why those cities are failing, are the real racists.

Edit: oh and yes wanting to repeal the civil rights act of 1964 is obviously intentioned towards disenfranchising blacks.

The people who say stuff like this:


Fact is areas that are heavily black end up worse. Bottom line, period. Everyone wants to be the liberal good guy and call what is true "hate" because they hate the truth, and they dont have the GUTS to be the one to point it out. I dont hate any black people, or any people, simply because of their skin color. But when I see a pattern, Im calling it. I have the balls to do it. Black areas suck ass because to many black people are loud, violent, ignorant and they look like eye sores due to the ridiculous clothes they wear.. Apparently its not just mean old conservatives who feel that way, huh? Or was Detroit overwhelmingly republican amongst whites and thats why they all left? It wa just the meanie republican jerks??

Are the non-racists. Ok that makes sense:rolleyes:

[Dresta]

So people who say it is racist to attribute the failings of the inner city to the fact that black people predominantely reside there, and that there are bunch of social-economic explanations for why those cities are failing, are the real racists.

Edit: oh and yes wanting to repeal the civil rights act of 1964 is obviously intentioned towards disenfranchising blacks.

The people who say stuff like this:



Are the non-racists. Ok that makes sense:rolleyes:
Oh yeah, because repealing a law that in a non-racist society shouldn't need to exist is going to result in the mass persecution and legal segregation of blacks. Anyone with a brain is capable of noticing that it is no longer socially acceptable to discriminate based on race, so that piece of legislation no longer serves any purpose. If someone did discriminate along these lines then they would be punished in the way they should be: economically, as no self-respecting person would continue to frequent whatever establishment they happen to run.

And the first point: i didn't say that at all so learn to read. I was specifically referring to white people who throw around the race card all the time because it makes them feel like some kind of moral paragon. Nor was there anything that could be correctly defined as racist in what he said, and i wasn't specifically defending him anyway, so your point is moot.

[OldSkoolball#52]

So people who say it is racist to attribute the failings of the inner city to the fact that black people predominantely reside there, and that there are bunch of social-economic explanations for why those cities are failing, are the real racists.

Edit: oh and yes wanting to repeal the civil rights act of 1964 is obviously intentioned towards disenfranchising blacks.

The people who say stuff like this:



Are the non-racists. Ok that makes sense:rolleyes:


Youve just exemplified exactly what he was talking about.

You took criticism based on cultural differences, and accused their basis of being in race. You falsely and knowing made this false conflation in attempt to torpedo my character and thus weaken my argument in a way you would not be able to do with a relevant counter argument.

Why?

Because you dont have the guts to make honest evaluations or the brains to make accurate ones. You just wanna throw "racism" out there as a defense against every unpleasant truth youre too cowardly to listen to.

As Dresta said, if you were to even so much as acknowledge something that is (besides being obvious) critical of a group of people you FEEL SORRY FOR, BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR, you will be ashamed to the outside world not to bein the "cool, auto-defend all minorities without logic" club, and you will lose the sense of moral superiority and resultant self satisfaction you have staked your entire phony self image and identity on.

F@ggot




Liberal race-baiter deconstruction 101

Their true motive is never altruism. It is self satisfaction.

How much inner city volunteering you done, Mavsfan? How many minority kids have you mentored? How many tough inner city neighborhoods would you ever consider moving yourself and your family to?

Youre nothing but a phony, lying to himself, posing to the world and clinging to a hollow sense of self superiority and righteousness that is nothin but a hologram. And its all you have to keep yourself upright. Because you definitely do not have wisdom, honesty, or even real compassion, any of the true virtues, going for you.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Liberal race baiting is never a sincere act of CHARACTER.

It is an "Im better than you" ploy to create the illusion of a moral high ground that just so happens to be right where the liberal is standing.

Because they never WALK it. They only talk it.


Its an illusion. They do not stand on any moral high ground, no matter what they bleet to themselves and to everyone else.

[MavsSuperFan]

Youve just exemplified exactly what he was talking about.

You took criticism based on cultural differences, and accused their basis of being in race. You falsely and knowing made this false conflation in attempt to torpedo my character and thus weaken my argument in a way you would not be able to do with a relevant counter argument.

Why?

Because you dont have the guts to make honest evaluations or the brains to make accurate ones. You just wanna throw "racism" out there as a defense against every unpleasant truth youre too cowardly to listen to.

As Dresta said, if you were to even so much as acknowledge something that is (besides being obvious) critical of a group of people you FEEL SORRY FOR, BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR, you will be ashamed to the outside world not to bein the "cool, auto-defend all minorities without logic" club, and you will lose the sense of moral superiority and resultant self satisfaction you have staked your entire phony self image and identity on.

F@ggot




Liberal race-baiter deconstruction 101

Their true motive is never altruism. It is self satisfaction.

How much inner city volunteering you done, Mavsfan? How many minority kids have you mentored? How many tough inner city neighborhoods would you ever consider moving yourself and your family to?

Youre nothing but a phony, lying to himself, posing to the world and clinging to a hollow sense of self superiority and righteousness that is nothin but a hologram. And its all you have to keep yourself upright. Because you definitely do not have wisdom, honesty, or even real compassion, any of the true virtues, going for you.


Fact is areas that are heavily black end up worse. Bottom line, period. Everyone wants to be the liberal good guy and call what is true "hate" because they hate the truth, and they dont have the GUTS to be the one to point it out. I dont hate any black people, or any people, simply because of their skin color. But when I see a pattern, Im calling it. I have the balls to do it. Black areas suck ass because to many black people are loud, violent, ignorant and they look like eye sores due to the ridiculous clothes they wear.. Apparently its not just mean old conservatives who feel that way, huh? Or was Detroit overwhelmingly republican amongst whites and thats why they all left? It wa just the meanie republican jerks??

I dont know if you are actually a racist or have problems with black people, but your posts seem to have a lot of anger and venom towards black people. I'm not just talking about this thread, but you rants against blacks to me at least appear racist.

I actually dont think racism is a huge problem in America in 2013. If you read my posts you could see me discussing this with Rasheed1 and Myth a little I think on this topic. So I am not over sensitive towards racism, sometimes I have been accused of being insensitive.


The Daily Show illustrates the cleft between black and white Americans on the issue of racism

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/0...sue-of-racism/

Basically on a scale of how much racial progress we have made in this country from 0% = fully racist, 100 = full equality

The white people all thought racism wasn't a big deal anymore and that America had made a lot of progression on eliminating racism. The white people tended to rate America a 50 - 75 on that scale.

The black people all thought racism was a major factor in America and that very little progression had been made towards eliminating racism. The numbers given were a high of 12 to a low of negative 25. One girl thought that racism had gotten worse.

On a that scale of 0 - 100 where do you think we are?

I say 60-75%

Ya you will get trolls on the internet, but these are people that probably live in their parents basements. There are also hicks that live in backwater swamps. I dont think these people have that much power to affect the lives of black people.

I will admit to being surprised that the black people in that clip thought that racism was that big of a hindrance in the their daily lives. I would appreciate some examples from peoples lives where they felt their race has held them back or disadvantaged them. Just for educational purposes. Race is such a touchy issue its hard to discuss.

Just for my personal educational purposes and because I want to alleviate my ignorance on this issue could you guys give me your opinions on that scale of where you feel we are in America today?

0 being completely racist and almost impossible to succeed without being white. (what america was for a long time)

100 being completely equal and race not being a factor at all in whether you succeed or fail.

I think we are somewhere in the rage of 60-75. There is still some disadvantages but primarily you are judged on your capabilities today.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310356

Im sorry but you just seem very racist to me, and I dont see a lot of racism in society.


You took criticism based on cultural differences, and accused their basis of being in race. You falsely and knowing made this false conflation in attempt to torpedo my character and thus weaken my argument in a way you would not be able to do with a relevant counter argument.
yeah... your posts come off as quite a bit more harsh than this.

Further your argument is basically this area sucks, cause too many blacks live there.

and then you claim I am race baiting.

As Dresta said, if you were to even so much as acknowledge something that is (besides being obvious) critical of a group of people you FEEL SORRY FOR, BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR, you will be ashamed to the outside world not to bein the "cool, auto-defend all minorities without logic" club, and you will lose the sense of moral superiority and resultant self satisfaction you have staked your entire phony self image and identity on.

Theres a difference between not attributing everything wrong in cities like detroit to black people and "auto defending minorities without logic"

I dont feel sorry for anyone because of their race. I have said many times on ISH that in 2013 race isnt a big issue for most americans in my experience. Unlike in the past, if you are talented you will succeed imo. In fact imo many business look to project the image of diversity. i feel sorry for people that live in poverty. I think poverty, rather than race, limits the prospects of many people, including poor whites.

I have stated on ISH that I think affirmative action should remove the gender and racial component and instead bias schools and business towards accepting people from impoverished backgrounds regardless of race. Eg. a white kid growing up in the trailer park is much more disadvantaged than beyonce's kid.

I do think I am better than you, because I think you are a racist. This is based on reading your posts for awhile.

Their true motive is never altruism. It is self satisfaction.

How much inner city volunteering you done, Mavsfan? How many minority kids have you mentored? How many tough inner city neighborhoods would you ever consider moving yourself and your family to?

Youre nothing but a phony, lying to himself, posing to the world and clinging to a hollow sense of self superiority and righteousness that is nothin but a hologram. And its all you have to keep yourself upright. Because you definitely do not have wisdom, honesty, or even real compassion, any of the true virtues, going for you.

All I have done is called you a racist, I have not claimed to be morally superior to the average person. I volunteer quite a bit. In the beginning it was to beef up my resume as I was planning on applying to different auditing firms and heard that volunteering would help my prospects. So I would never claim to be fully altruistic, as I always look out for my own rational self-interests. With that said I do enjoy working with the various charities I have over the years.


How much inner city volunteering you done, Mavsfan? How many minority kids have you mentored? How many tough inner city neighborhoods would you ever consider moving yourself and your family to?
0,depending on how much advice you consider mentoring several if you just mean non-white,and never

when have I ever claimed otherwise?
I just said that the problems in the inner city are not because black people are there. its social economic conditions not racial composition that caused detroit to fail.

I have never cared about the racial makeup of an area I live in. I do however evaluate other factors. Eg. quality of schools, health care facilities, local infrastructure, local culture, crime levels, etc. I am currently living in Vancouver a very multicultural city.

[Bigsmoke]

And people always talk shit about chicago.....