Kanter vs Valanciunas

[Sakkreth]

Would anyone take Kanter over JV at this point ?

[DukeDelonte13]

i feel like i've seen more JV than i've seen Kanter and Kanter has been in the league an extra year.

Too early to tell. Although Kanter is more polished both have a long way to go developmentally.

[Xiao Yao You]

Not many I'd take over Kanter. Unlimited potential abou to be realized!

[Andrew Wiggins]

Not many I'd take over Kanter. Unlimited potential abou to be realized!

^ this

kanter had to play behind two top level big men for a few years. we can finally see how good he is as a starter this year

[DukeDelonte13]

^ this

kanter had to play behind two top level big men for a few years. we can finally see how good he is as a starter this year


i loved Kanter pre draft. I really hoped he would have fell to Cleveland but very happy with TT. He's been looking phenomenal lately.

[Burgz V2]

^ this

kanter had to play behind two top level big men for a few years. we can finally see how good he is as a starter this year

but how does this figure into a comparison of JV and Kanter? Not saying you're wrong but you haven't necessarily proved your point.

You could argue the same for JV, who was routinely benched midway through the 3rd qtr of every game in order to limit his overall minutes and wear and tear in his rookie season.

There are no such restrictions now. He'll have extended minutes for the first time in his career as well, so I think the argument you make is kind of nullified.

I'll take JV. Taller, longer, more active defender, runs the floor as well as any C in the game. Kanter is a bull on the block, but JV has shown he can score in the post too. Kanter has a better face up game and a better pick and pop game though. But overall, there are not many bigs in the league that do what JV can do.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Havent seen any of JoVa yet but have liked what Ive seen from Kanter givin his age and experience. His NBA game is still a bit raw and timid but he seems to have good touch and def legit size. A lil more confidence could make him a beast.

[Andrew Wiggins]

but how does this figure into a comparison of JV and Kanter? Not saying you're wrong but you haven't necessarily proved your point.

You could argue the same for JV, who was routinely benched midway through the 3rd qtr of every game in order to limit his overall minutes and wear and tear in his rookie season.

There are no such restrictions now. He'll have extended minutes for the first time in his career as well, so I think the argument you make is kind of nullified.

I'll take JV. Taller, longer, more active defender, runs the floor as well as any C in the game. Kanter is a bull on the block, but JV has shown he can score in the post too. Kanter has a better face up game and a better pick and pop game though. But overall, there are not many bigs in the league that do what JV can do.


meaning he faced a herculean task to get minutes. if he's not getting minutes, how can he show what he's capable of? when he did play, he was extremely productive on a per minute basis. 7 points/4 rbs on good % in 15 minutes is strong.

who did jv have to compete with to get minutes? aaron gray lol? he was handed a lot of playing time and started almost every game on a team with zero ambition so hes had a lot of time and opportunities to adjust himself to the nba game. you cant simulate this stuff in practice.

long, legit 7 footers with his skill set come along more often than a guys with kanter's size and skills. i think kanter can average more pts and rbs on a similar level team than jv this season

[Burgz V2]

meaning he faced a herculean task to get minutes. if he's not getting minutes, how can he show what he's capable of? when he did play, he was extremely productive on a per minute basis. 7 points/4 rbs on good % in 15 minutes is strong.

who did jv have to compete with to get minutes? aaron gray lol? he was handed a lot of playing time and started almost every game on a team with zero ambition so hes had a lot of time and opportunities to adjust himself to the nba game. you cant simulate this stuff in practice.

long, legit 7 footers with his skill set come along more often than a guys with kanter's size and skills. i think kanter can average more pts and rbs on a similar level team than jv this season

I dont argue with the fact Kanter had to battle for minutes, but your assumption about JV is misinformed. he wasn't competing with Aaron Gray, he was competing with the coaching staff and management. it wasn't that someone was more talented, it was that they were consciously limiting his minutes.

And long, legit 7 footers come along more often than bruising PFs?...now i've seen everything.

[Andrew Wiggins]

I dont argue with the fact Kanter had to battle for minutes, but your assumption about JV is misinformed. he wasn't competing with Aaron Gray, he was competing with the coaching staff and management. it wasn't that someone was more talented, it was that they were consciously limiting his minutes.

And long, legit 7 footers come along more often than bruising PFs?...now i've seen everything.

cut the condescending crap. you're misinformed when you pigeonhole kanter as simply as a bruiser. kanter is 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. he's a center and only a center. skilled, low post centers are a hell of a lot tougher to find these days than athletic 7 footers

[DukeDelonte13]

I dont argue with the fact Kanter had to battle for minutes, but your assumption about JV is misinformed. he wasn't competing with Aaron Gray, he was competing with the coaching staff and management. it wasn't that someone was more talented, it was that they were consciously limiting his minutes.

And long, legit 7 footers come along more often than bruising PFs?...now i've seen everything.


Big unskilled guys come into the league far more frequently than bigs with legit offensive skills. That's pretty much a given.

[Burgz V2]

cut the condescending crap. you're misinformed when you pigeonhole kanter as simply as a bruiser. kanter is 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. he's a center and only a center. skilled, low post centers are a hell of a lot tougher to find these days than athletic 7 footers

if you read all my comments (which I know you have) you should have realized i have done no such thing.

I have said he has a good face up game and pick and pop game, and conceded that he does these things well. how can a complement be condescending? how is that pigeonholing him? all you have done isolate one comment I made about him and decontextualize my entire response.

and the fact that you totally disregard JV's post game further skews this argument. he is not Johan Petro, Saer Sene, Hasheem Thabeet et al. He already has considerable skill for a player of his physical abilities. the fact that you diminish those abilities to help your argument says more than enough to me.

[Xiao Yao You]

but how does this figure into a comparison of JV and Kanter? Not saying you're wrong but you haven't necessarily proved your point.

You could argue the same for JV, who was routinely benched midway through the 3rd qtr of every game in order to limit his overall minutes and wear and tear in his rookie season.

There are no such restrictions now. He'll have extended minutes for the first time in his career as well, so I think the argument you make is kind of nullified.

I'll take JV. Taller, longer, more active defender, runs the floor as well as any C in the game. Kanter is a bull on the block, but JV has shown he can score in the post too. Kanter has a better face up game and a better pick and pop game though. But overall, there are not many bigs in the league that do what JV can do.

Not many that can do what Kanter does either.


he's a center and only a center. skilled, low post centers are a hell of a lot tougher to find these days than athletic 7 footers

He's not just a center. Corbin has said as much recently. It depends on match-ups who guards who. Kanter has been playing the stretch fours with Favors at the rim. He can play high and low post and Favors flashed that yesterday too. They are the same position in Utah's flex.

What we have seen for Kanter is that he works and continues to improve rapidly. Hard to say how good he will be. Didn't play his freshman year at Kentucky. Couldn't play for 6 months this year because of his shoulder injury.

[Andrew Wiggins]

game 1

kanter ; 14 points and 10 rebounds [6-10] ; 2 fouls and 1 turnover against the thunder
valanciunas ; 8 points and 11 rebounds [4-9] ; 4 fouls and 3 turnovers against the celtics

[Sakkreth]

game 1

kanter ; 14 points and 10 rebounds [6-10] ; 2 fouls and 1 turnover against the thunder
valanciunas ; 8 points and 11 rebounds [4-9] ; 4 fouls and 3 turnovers against the celtics

JV in a win, Kanter in a loss, JV 2 blocks, Kanter 1block. Include those aswell if u go for turnovers and fouls.

[Andrew Wiggins]

JV in a win, Kanter in a loss, JV 2 blocks, Kanter 1block. Include those aswell if u go for turnovers and fouls.

sure

but kanter was going against ibaka and perkins while jv was going against olynyk and faverani

[Sakkreth]

sure

but kanter was going against ibaka and perkins while jv was going against olynyk and faverani

Against Perkins mostly :bowdown:

[Andrew Wiggins]

Against Perkins mostly :bowdown:

literally the only thing perkins is good at is defending big post players so it is :bowdown:

[alenleomessi]

valanciunas also played two more minutes... and 3 point loss against OKC > 6 point win against the celtics

kanter will have the better season no doubt about that

[mrpibb]

Why is there this bitchfest about who is better? It depends who you want.

Kanter will probably become a Carlos Boozer with height. Jonas Valanciunas has a lot of unrealized potential, which is scary; however, the potential isn't really on the scoring side. So who do you want?

Plenty of people would take Kanter after this season. They won't be wrong, but they won't be right either.

[Godzuki]

Kanter has balled every time he got the mintes last year. Even in like 12-15 min stints he had great nmbers. Valncias on the other hand seems so wishy washy like he is so match p based.

[Thorpesaurous]

I like both guys, but I'd take JoVa. I'd just prefer the extra athleticism in the current league. Although it seems Kanter is pretty apt defensively, I have some concerns that his weaknesses are being covered for playing next to Favors.

[Burgz V2]

so we count fouls and TOs before we count blocks for Centres now?

smdh

[Xiao Yao You]

Why is there this bitchfest about who is better? It depends who you want.

Kanter will probably become a Carlos Boozer with height.

Height, D, face up, eventually 3 point range.


Jonas Valanciunas has a lot of unrealized potential, which is scary; however, the potential isn't really on the scoring side.

Kanter doesn't have unrealized potential? He's only been playing for 7 years. Sat out his freshman year. Just sat out 6 months rehabbing. Just continues to get better.

[Xiao Yao You]

I like both guys, but I'd take JoVa. I'd just prefer the extra athleticism in the current league. Although it seems Kanter is pretty apt defensively, I have some concerns that his weaknesses are being covered for playing next to Favors.

I'd say it's the other way around. Kanter is the much better player despite the hype to the contrary.

[Rooster]

I like both guys, but I'd take JoVa. I'd just prefer the extra athleticism in the current league. Although it seems Kanter is pretty apt defensively, I have some concerns that his weaknesses are being covered for playing next to Favors.

It would be nice if Jonas has some offensive skills but he's just too limited. His impact is more on the defensive end. Kanter will probably put up better numbers but it's too early to tell if he can make an impact.

[boozehound]

both are solid young bigs, but both are overrated by their respective fan bases. I wish them both well. I prefer Kanter

[mrpibb]

Height, D, face up, eventually 3 point range.



Kanter doesn't have unrealized potential? He's only been playing for 7 years. Sat out his freshman year. Just sat out 6 months rehabbing. Just continues to get better.

Jonas has more potential. Kanter's length will restrict him from being a superstar. He can and I think will be very, very good, but he will never be elite.

[statman32]

Besides being good young bigs, they really don't have anything in common.

Kanter has the body and skill-set to be a force on the offensive end, but doesn't have the agility or athleticism to be anything more than adequate on the defensive end.

Jonas is raw offensively, but he isn't some uncoordinated stiff. He can finish well and gets into good position to rack up offensive rebounds. His calling card right now is the defensive presence he provides. Only time will tell, but he does have the size and skill-set to be an above average offensive big. Not Kanter level, but I think the defensive edge will put Jonas over the top if both develop to their absolute ceiling.

You can throw out the garbage about Jonas not outplaying Aaron Gray, or anyone else that played center for the Raps last year. He outplayed them but the horrific coaching prevented him from playing big minutes. They refused to play him in crunch time because he was a rookie, and came into games with certain minute restrictions regardless of his play (good or bad).

[andremiller07]

both are solid young bigs, but both are overrated by their respective fan bases. I wish them both well. I prefer Kanter
Kind of this I have yet to see anything from either that makes me say wow he could be a top 5 big man in the next couple years, both are talented and will be above average players but they got to show me more before I just on a bandwagon.

[RedBlackAttack]

Besides being good young bigs, they really don't have anything in common.

Kanter has the body and skill-set to be a force on the offensive end, but doesn't have the agility or athleticism to be anything more than adequate on the defensive end.

Jonas is raw offensively, but he isn't some uncoordinated stiff. He can finish well and gets into good position to rack up offensive rebounds. His calling card right now is the defensive presence he provides. Only time will tell, but he does have the size and skill-set to be an above average offensive big. Not Kanter level, but I think the defensive edge will put Jonas over the top if both develop to their absolute ceiling.

You can throw out the garbage about Jonas not outplaying Aaron Gray, or anyone else that played center for the Raps last year. He outplayed them but the horrific coaching prevented him from playing big minutes. They refused to play him in crunch time because he was a rookie, and came into games with certain minute restrictions regardless of his play (good or bad).
OT: Where the hell you been? Haven't seen you in ages. (Good post)

[Andrew Wiggins]

kanter - 20 points [8-22] ; 12 rebounds
valanciunas - 4 points [2-5] ; 4 rebounds

[statman32]

OT: Where the hell you been? Haven't seen you in ages. (Good post)
Thanks. I get tired of basketball every once in awhile, but am excited for some of the young guys this year. We shall see how long they hold my attention.

[statman32]

kanter - 20 points [8-22] ; 12 rebounds
valanciunas - 4 points [2-5] ; 4 rebounds
Very insightful and meaningful argument. Thanks.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Very insightful and meaningful argument. Thanks.

very snarky and meaningless comment. thanks.

[mrpibb]

Very insightful and meaningful argument. Thanks.

You do realize he posted stats for the first game as well, right? You're just coming across as an asshole, and I don't think you are one.

[A Roc 23]

I'm don't think Valanciunas is going to going to come anywhere near his potential playing with DeMar and Rudy.

DeMar and Rudy combined for 46 shots. Val got 5.

Not sure who I prefer at this point, but I know posting their stats tonight means nothing. Val played 17 mins, Kanter 38. Val had 2 blocks and Kanter had 0 (in 38 minutes :wtf: ). Val took 5 shots because his team never passes to him. Kanter took 22. Val was covered the entire 17 minutes he played by Al Horford, one of the best post defenders in the league. Kanter was covered by a half dead Channing Frye.

[statman32]

You do realize he posted stats for the first game as well, right? You're just coming across as an asshole, and I don't think you are one.
I'm actually plenty nice, but posting individual game stats is worthless. So many variables that negate any meaning one could take from them. Having a discussion based on individual game stats might seem fun to you, but I would suggest discussing after seeing a larger body of work (1/4 of season). Then we can look at stats, situations, etc.

Good idea?

[Andrew Wiggins]

You do realize he posted stats for the first game as well, right? You're just coming across as an asshole, and I don't think you are one.

exactly

i want to use this thread to track their games through the rest of the season

[mrpibb]

I'm actually plenty nice, but posting individual game stats is worthless. So many variables that negate any meaning one could take from them. Having a discussion based on individual game stats might seem fun to you, but I would suggest discussing after seeing a larger body of work (1/4 of season). Then we can look at stats, situations, etc.

Good idea?

Okay, wise guy. Why bother posting in a thread that starts with the loaded question "would anyone take Kanter over JV at this point?"

Why don't you get back to me on that one while Kanter outplays JV "at this point."

Sound fair?

[statman32]

exactly

i want to use this thread to track their games through the rest of the season
Why? Can the members of this board not visit ESPN and see full statlines for both?

Let's be totally honest. You are posting stats in an attempt to make a point, hence picking and choosing what stats to post.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Why? Can the members of this board not visit ESPN and see full statlines for both?

Let's be totally honest. You are posting stats in an attempt to make a point, hence picking and choosing what stats to post.

can't the members of this board not visit espn and use their conversation feature to discuss games rather than posting here?

f*ck outta here with that shit, you were just looking for an excuse to make a snarky, condescending comment
:lol

[statman32]

Okay, wise guy. Why bother posting in a thread that starts with the loaded question "would anyone take Kanter over JV at this point?"

Why don't you get back to me on that one while Kanter outplays JV "at this point."

Sound fair?

Good discussion can be had despite obvious subjective posts (OP,etc). I bothered to post in this thread because of what I have seen thus far in their entire careers. I thought that it would be insightful to post my opinion of two young bigs, with promising careers.

If you have any responses to any of my sound arguments, feel free to fire back.

[A Roc 23]

Why? Can the members of this board not visit ESPN and see full statlines for both?

Let's be totally honest. You are posting stats in an attempt to make a point, hence picking and choosing what stats to post.

I agree. Makes no sense to post stats and leave out MINUTES and BLOCKS. I mean we're talking about two centres that anchor their team's defense.

But I certainly haven't been thrilled with what I've seen from Jonas so far. He's only 2 games passed his rookie season and has only been in North America for 13 months, so I'm not sure how comparing his and Kanter's nightly stats are going to mean anything. :lol

[mrpibb]

Good discussion can be had despite obvious subjective posts (OP,etc). I bothered to post in this thread because of what I have seen thus far in their entire careers. I thought that it would be insightful to post my opinion of two young bigs, with promising careers.

If you have any responses to any of my sound arguments, feel free to fire back.

I'm actually pretty sure we agree completely if you want to read my original post. But the poster that you called out was doing the same thing he did the last time the two played, and that just wasn't cool.

[statman32]

can't the members of this board not visit espn and use their conversation feature to discuss games rather than posting here?

f*ck outta here with that shit, you were just looking for an excuse to make a snarky, condescending comment
:lol
Posting hand-picked individual game statistics is not "discussing games". If you brought up how they both actually played, I would commend you. Right now, I think it would be safe to assume that you didn't actually watch both play. Right?

[statman32]

I'm actually pretty sure we agree completely if you want to read my original post. But the poster that you called out was doing the same thing he did the last time the two played, and that just wasn't cool.
Our opinions are pretty similar. I will agree I could have done without the extreme sarcasm, but it is a defense mechanism that is usually needed on ISH.

In a unrelated topic, can't wait to see what Trey Burke can do for the team and bigs.

[Qwyjibo]

The Toronto Raptors will continue to be a ****ing stupid franchise from top to bottom until proven otherwise. I know Ujiri has quite a bit of hype and some results but so did Colangelo coming in. I'm not giving any GM the benefit of the doubt anymore. The difference in how Jonas and Kanter were used today is just another example.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Our opinions are pretty similar. I will agree I could have done without the extreme sarcasm, but it is a defense mechanism that is usually needed on ISH.

In a unrelated topic, can't wait to see what Trey Burke can do for the team and bigs.

a defense mechanism to what exactly? an unprovoked comment not directed at you? :coleman:

if posting just points and rebounds irks you so much, then add the full stat line

i watched the jazz game and kanter was getting fed the ball and had no floor spacing to speak of. he had to battle double and triple teams because it was so easy for the defense to collapse. still he battled and put up a decent game despite the poor shooting %. i caught the end of the raptors game and jonas wasn't in the game presumably because wasn't playing well.

[mrpibb]

a defense mechanism to what exactly? an unprovoked comment not directed at you? :coleman:

if posting just points and rebounds irks you so much, then add the full stat line

i watched the jazz game and kanter was getting fed the ball and had no floor spacing to speak of. he had to battle double and triple teams because it was so easy for the defense to collapse. still he battled and put up a decent game despite the poor shooting %. i caught the end of the raptors game and jonas wasn't in the game presumably because wasn't playing well.

He was terrible passing out of said double and triple teams, though.

[GoRapz]

a defense mechanism to what exactly? an unprovoked comment not directed at you? :coleman:

if posting just points and rebounds irks you so much, then add the full stat line

i watched the jazz game and kanter was getting fed the ball and had no floor spacing to speak of. he had to battle double and triple teams because it was so easy for the defense to collapse. still he battled and put up a decent game despite the poor shooting %. i caught the end of the raptors game and jonas wasn't in the game presumably because Dwane Casey is a terrible coach.

Truth

[Xiao Yao You]

Val had 2 blocks and Kanter had 0 (in 38 minutes :wtf: ).

Favors protects the rim and Kanter plays the stretch 4's.

[Andrew Wiggins]

kanter puts up 16 and 8 on 7-13 against the best defensive front court in the league

jv goes for 7 points [3-8], 6 rebounds, and 0 blocks against the bucks

[Xiao Yao You]

Kanter dominated them in the first half. They couldn't keep him off the offensive glass.

[mrpibb]

Kanter needs to give the same effort on the defensive glass. Corbin always gets after him on that.

Get to Know Enes Kanter:

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Preview
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[K.Koscik]

Some old school ISHers in this thread

[chosen_one6]

kanter puts up 16 and 8 on 7-13 against the best defensive front court in the league

jv goes for 7 points [3-8], 6 rebounds, and 0 blocks against the bucks

Jonas only played 17 minutes while Kanter played about 30.

[statman32]

Good day to bump this. Will be fun to watch these two go after each other. Kanter has got him good in the past (international play), etc.

[Borat_Sagdyev]

Jonas!

[Sakkreth]

Defensively it's like day n night lol... Impact not even comparable we can rest this for now.

[alenleomessi]

Defensively it's like day n night lol... Impact not even comparable we can rest this for now.
same for offensively..
jonas is a white version of deandre as of right now..

[Sakkreth]

same for offensively..
jonas is a white version of deandre as of right now..

Go watch yesterday's game.

[Dave3]

same for offensively..
jonas is a white version of deandre as of right now..
Have you seen a single game of Valancuinas? I mean completely outside the fact that you could just check the stats and see he's a career 79% FT shooter, you can clearly see he plays nothing like DeAndre Jordan offensively. A lot of his scores are hook shots and moves around the basket with excellent touch. He'll get a lot of dunks and putbacks too, but he's a far cry from a player like DeAndre. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

Both played pretty well and Jonas won the individual battle, as he scored more on Kanter than Kanter scoring on Jonas.

Also, Kanter played way more minutes in the blowout, so it seems really empty comparing them, IMO. In 7 games, Kanter has played 8+ more minutes compared to Val, so he's definitely got more opportunity to impact the game but his team is overall 0-7. Plus, Casey benches Jonas for the dumbest reasons and is hindering is development. The Raptors could be over .500 right now if it was for Jonas playing.

So it's pretty clear that Kanter is better offensively and Jonas is the better rebounder/shot blocker, etc...

[Burgz V2]

watching this game the comparison isn't as close as I thought it was. Jonas has a much bigger impact on the defensive end and the only reason Kanter had a decent stat line is because they weren't even meaningful minutes.

[Legends66NBA7]

watching this game the comparison isn't as close as I thought it was. Jonas has a much bigger impact on the defensive end and the only reason Kanter had a decent stat line is because they weren't even meaningful minutes.

Imagine if Jonas played the same minutes as Kanter ? Double/Double player, no doubt

[A Roc 23]

JV's offense is actually ahead of his defense. He has a ton of moves to get to the basket. In fact Raptor fans are so high on him because he's shown flashes of being brilliant offensively. The defense still needs work.

He's averaging 10 points in 25 minutes and he has scored 40% of his points this season in the first quarter. This is because they start the games going through JV and it ALWAYS works. Later in the game they stop giving him the ball (mostly Gay and DeRozan) and Casey usually benches him for long stretches in favour of small ball. He also NEVER plays garbage time for some reason.

Kanter vs. JV last night was a clear win for JV. Kanter covered JV the whole time he was in the game (he played a lot more minutes) and JV scored over Kanter anytime he was given the ball in the low post. They started Amir on Kanter and he had trouble scoring for the most part, but had 1 or 2 nice post moves. Most of his points came off of broken plays/easy baskets. JV came in and affected Kanter's shot several times. Kanter had one sequence where he shot 2 straight air balls.

Negatives for both:

JV needs to work on his defensive rotations. His man-to-man defense is good right now but his help defense needs major work. There were several times Hayward beat his man and JV was way too late to do anything about it. Of course this is mostly on the Raptor's wings for getting beaten so easily, but JV was still definitely missing opportunities to contest the shot. This to me is his biggest weakness. It isn't just this game, it's been a problem in a number of games. When he does make the rotation he's had some great tip blocks, but I haven't seen a lot of charges drawn. JV needs to learn to draw charges if he's going to be an elite center defensively.

Kanter looked pathetic on defense. JV was able to shoot over him time and time again. Kanter bought on JV's fakes which allowed JV a clear path to the basket a couple of times. He was also able to back Kanter down deep enough to get an easy hook shot on several occasions. Most concerning of all his how Kanter let 6'8'' Hansbrough bully him in the paint over and over. Hansbrough had 23 points, almost all in the paint (or getting to the free throw line after being fouled in the paint). While 1/3 of Hansbroughs points came in garbage time, he had at least half his points while being covered by Kanter. He was able to back Kanter down into the paint and then go up either uncontested or forcing someone nearby to foul.

[Burgz V2]

Imagine if Jonas played the same minutes as Kanter ? Double/Double player, no doubt

well this is what we have been saying from the beginning. Every game, Jonas doesn't play most of the second half. He'd easily be a double double player and 2+ blocks per game.

[Xiao Yao You]

Both played pretty well and Jonas won the individual battle, as he scored more on Kanter than Kanter scoring on Jonas.

Also, Kanter played way more minutes in the blowout, so it seems really empty comparing them, IMO. In 7 games, Kanter has played 8+ more minutes compared to Val, so he's definitely got more opportunity to impact the game but his team is overall 0-7. Plus, Casey benches Jonas for the dumbest reasons and is hindering is development. The Raptors could be over .500 right now if it was for Jonas playing.

So it's pretty clear that Kanter is better offensively and Jonas is the better rebounder/shot blocker, etc...

Better defensive rebounder. They're pretty close on the offensive glass.

[El Kabong]

So it's pretty clear that Kanter is better offensively and Jonas is the better rebounder/shot blocker, etc...
Kanter does have the advantage of playing with Favors though, who's there to do all the rebounding/shot blocking. Jonas doesn't have the same opposite advantage, though his wing guys and PG blow the Jazz out of the water at the moment.

I think Kanter is doing OK rebounding wise, there a few times I thought he was being a tad lazy on D though. Still, he's young and raw and as long as he continues to work at his deficiencies, I think he'll be a very good NBA player. More of a Brook Lopez type, with better rebounding skills.

[ALBballer]

I think the Boozer comparison is spot on for Kanter. But I'll take Jonas, I love his post moves and he is a much better defender.

[Legends66NBA7]

Better defensive rebounder. They're pretty close on the offensive glass.

That's true, but I was just mentioning rebounding overall.


Kanter does have the advantage of playing with Favors though, who's there to do all the rebounding/shot blocking. Jonas doesn't have the same opposite advantage, though his wing guys and PG blow the Jazz out of the water at the moment.

I think Kanter is doing OK rebounding wise, there a few times I thought he was being a tad lazy on D though. Still, he's young and raw and as long as he continues to work at his deficiencies, I think he'll be a very good NBA player. More of a Brook Lopez type, with better rebounding skills.

Jonas also does play with a very good offensive and defensive minded power forward in Amir Johnson, who does a fine job of rebounding/playing good overall defense (shot blocking isn't great) for the Raptors, as well as being much more efficient around the rim. Overall, yes, the Raptors are a better team than the Jazz.

I like the comparison of Kanter with Lopez. Wouldn't know Jonas's comparison right now.

[mrpibb]

With the Jazz working Kanter back from injury off the bench and a Toronto game playing out as I type this, has Valanciunas's minutes situation changed at all?

Kanter seems to have wilted under the heavy minute load, before his injury, after playing very well to begin the season.

[andremiller07]

The Jazz are 1-22 when Kantar starts a game this season :wtf:

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz are 1-22 when Kantar starts a game this season :wtf:

He showed up today. The rest of the team not so much.

[andremiller07]

Kanter is a no heart no defense pansy, and for a guy who's meant to be a "skilled" scorer he can't even score unless he's wide open, not even a Val fan but Val at least has heart and doesn't shy away from challenges. Kanter is the worst defensive big man in the NBA.

The overrating Jazz fans did on Kanter my word, they seriously got rid of Milsap and Al to develop this bum? The Jazz need to start Booker he's way better than Kanter unless the Jazz are trying to tank they should just bring Kanter in for limited playing time off the bench.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz are tanking obviously. Booker is not a starter. Kanter rarely makes wide open shots in the post. They usually come after a series of great post moves. Al sucked! Obviously Millsap was better than anyone the Jazz have and they blew it there.

Did Kanter steal your girlfriend or something? :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Jazz are tanking obviously. Booker is not a starter. Kanter rarely makes wide open shots in the post. They usually come after a series of great post moves. Al sucked! Obviously Millsap was better than anyone the Jazz have and they blew it there.

Did Kanter steal your girlfriend or something? :confusedshrug:
If Al "3rd team All-NBA" Jefferson sucks, Kanter must be the worst player ever.

[Xiao Yao You]

You can have the guy! Jazz weren't going anywhere with a team built around a non defensive playing ineffective black hole. Al ball sucked! Stand around and watch me while I pump fake and draw few fouls. :rolleyes:

[Burgz V2]

always nice when a bump makes you look like a gawd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggOQefxiBgo