espn calls kobe most overpaid. jim buss calls espn a collection of uneducated clowns

[kennethgriffin]

keeping kobe is top priority - jim buss


basically signing a blank check and telling kobe to pick his salary next year.

i wonder why?

maybe because jim buss knows business. and the reason euro clubs were offering him and lebron 50-80 million dollar contracts a few years ago is because they know the actual value of an elite brand name

theres only 2 alpha names in the nba that can get that kind of money and have that kind of drawing power. and kobe is one of them

not even kevin durant or anyone else are on that level. kobe is one of the only 2 players that can keep a franchise over or around a billion dollars net worth and top 5 in jersey sales/revinue/ticket sales home and away.



jim knows that even if the lakers stink. kobe will make it all better.

he would rather have him than a collection of stars if he had to pick between the 2

he's not dumb.

kobe and lebron are the 2 most underpaid players in the league. they turn out a billion dollars worth of total worldwide brand profit every year for their city/team/side brands

20-30 million is pennys for guys like that. and the fact that espn thinks otherwise proves why nobody takes them seriously anymore

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

ok

[fefe]

I agree with both.
Kobe is the most overpaid, and ESPN is a collection of uneducated clowns.

[Haymaker]

I think ESPN meant in terms of player production.

[aj1987]

I think ESPN meant in terms of player production.
The guy just had a 27/6/6 season on pretty good efficiency. If he can average 22-25/5/5 on decent efficiency, he's worth it.

ESPN writers have the combined IQ of a dead chipmunk.

[Haymaker]

The guy just had a 27/6/6 season on pretty good efficiency. If he can average 22-25/5/5 on decent efficiency, he's worth it.

ESPN writers have the combined IQ of a dead chipmunk.

When you compare his stats and impact with Lebron and compare their salaries (Kobe 30 mil, Lebron 19 mil) He's overpaid. I'm no Kobe hater and even less a Lebron dick rider.

[BoutPractice]

Ridiculous. How about Joe Johnson, who has the fifth biggest contract, Emeka Okafor with the 25th, Hedo with the 44th? How about the players who get paid even though they don't actually play?

[ZMonkey11]

Ridiculous. How about Joe Johnson, who has the fifth biggest contract, Emeka Okafor with the 25th, Hedo with the 44th? How about the players who get paid even though they don't actually play?

Like Kobe?

[SCdac]

pretty sure your obsession with Kobe goes beyond basketball, so....

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[ralph_i_el]

pay him 30 million and have a shitty team. Win win for everyone

[cos88]

30 M per year for a glorious 7th seed with the most stacked team in the league since 04 lakers. pound for pound worst contract in the league except arenas.

[longtime lurker]

Kobe makes the Lakers far more than he gets paid and that's even factoring in luxury tax.

[kennethgriffin]

I think ESPN meant in terms of player production.


so ... 1st team all nba isnt worthy of a max contract?

pretty sure michael jordan in 1998 made 33 million with 28/5/3 on 46%

kobe last year made 29 million with 27/6/5 on 46%

infact everyone says 34 year old kobe was on a higher level


kobe was widely considered the 3rd or 4th best player last season

just because lebron is underpaid doesnt mean kobe is overpaid

it was lebrons choice to take a paycut so he could ring chase

kobe earned his 30 mill by sticking with the same franchise for 18 years

lebron should take notes

[I<3NBA]

he's not the most overpaid. but definitely is overpaid. you could justify the salary in his prime. but not now.

[Eric Cartman]

he's not the most overpaid. but definitely is overpaid. you could justify the salary in his prime. but not now.

This.

[Bibby4Three]

People don't understand that the money he gets now is crazy!!

Not as good as he was homers!

[Unbiased_one]

so ... 1st team all nba isnt worthy of a max contract?



are you still peddling the delusion that he actually deserved that accolade

[Heavincent]

ESPN's agenda against Kobe continues :oldlol:

The guy who put up 27/6/5 last year is the most overpaid player in the league? How about Amare, who gets paid $100,000,000 to sit on the bench in street clothes? Or Joe Johnson? Gilbert Arenas, who isn't even in the ****ing league? Oh yeah, and how about Rashard Lewis and Jeremy Lin?

ESPN is a joke :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

he's not the most overpaid. but definitely is overpaid. you could justify the salary in his prime. but not now.


did you even read my original post?

kobe should realistically deserve 80-100 mill a year just based on his brand alone

he makes the lakers franchise close to a billion dollars a season

theyre filthy stinking rich cause kobe is one of the top 5 names in the world




but like i said.. he earned his pay raises like everyone else. and his level of production hasnt dropped off


2007-08 $19,490,625 1st team all nba - 28/6/5
2008-09 $21,262,500 1st team all nba - 27/5/5
2009-10 $23,034,375 1st team all nba - 27/5/5
2010-11 $24,806,250 1st team all nba - 25/5/5
2011-12 $25,244,493 1st team all nba - 28/5/5
2012-13 $27,849,149 1st team all nba - 27/5/6


if hes still making 1st team all nba's and battling for scoring titles with good efficiency.. i dont see any realistic reason for him to take a pay cut

infact. last year was one of his most efficient seasons

people forget that with nba salaries. most of the bottom end of contracts are making up for being underpaid earlier on in their careers


for instance.. look at the other years of kobes salaries

1997-98 $1,167,240 ( all nba 3rd team ) underpaid 9 million -10 mill value
1998-99 $1,319,000 ( all nba 2nd team ) underpaid 9 million -10 mill value
1999-00 $9,000,000 ( all nba 2nd team ) underpaid 6 million - 15 mill value
2000-01 $10,130,000 ( all nba 2nd team) underpaid 10 million -20 mill value
2001-02 $11,250,000 ( all nba 1st team ) underpaid 9 million - 20 mill value
2002-03 $12,375,000 ( all nba 1st team) underpaid 13 million - 25mill value
2003-04 $13,500,000 ( all nba 1st team) underpaid 12 million -25 mill value
2004-05 $14,175,000 ( all nba 3rd team ) underpaid 6 million - 20 mill value
2005-06 $15,946,875 ( all nba 1st team) underpaid 15 million -30 mill value
2006-07 $17,718,750 ( all nba 1st team) underpaid 13 million- 30 mill value



so you see how its impossible for kobe to be overpaid.. infact. the lakers making billions every year off kobes name... kobe is probably owed theoretically around half..

and almost 20 years of that. you can imagine what thats like

[Unbiased_one]

did you even read my original post?


and almost 20 years of that. you can imagine what thats like

Look I don't think that anyone would argue that from a total standpoint kobe is worth just about anything the lakers could give him: he brings in a huge amount of money for them. Also, he is obviously not the most overpaid player in the league from a basketball standpoint (arenas).

However from a basketball standpoint, in my opinion that 30 mill could be spent elsewhere much more profitably than on a player who a) doesn't play defense and b) destroyed the chemistry of a supremely talented team for the second time in his career (2004) in some misguided attempt to be the alpha dog on the team.

[Heavincent]

Look I don't think that anyone would argue that from a total standpoint kobe is worth just about anything the lakers could give him: he brings in a huge amount of money for them. Also, he is obviously not the most overpaid player in the league from a basketball standpoint (arenas).

However from a basketball standpoint, in my opinion that 30 mill could be spent elsewhere much more profitably than on a player who a) doesn't play defense and b) destroyed the chemistry of a supremely talented team for the second time in his career (2004) in some misguided attempt to be the alpha dog on the team.

Are you seriously implying that Dwight ****ing Howard should have been the "alpha dog"? :roll:

Howard destroyed the chemistry, just like he did in Orlando.

[TheBigVeto]

Finally ESPN got something right.

[Unbiased_one]

Are you seriously implying that Dwight ****ing Howard should have been the "alpha dog"? :roll:

Howard destroyed the chemistry, just like he did in Orlando.

No. I'm saying they should have played as a team rather than playing kobe-ball. The bigs in general should have gotten way more touches last year.

[Heavincent]

No. I'm saying they should have playeda s a team rather than playing kobe-ball. The bigs in general should have gotten way more touches last year.

Why should Howard get more touches in the post? Doesn't make any sense.

[gts]

jim buss calls espn a collection of uneducated clowns


I can remember when Jeff used to ban people for making up quotes

[kennethgriffin]

I can remember when Jeff used to ban people for making up quotes

where did i quote someone. theres neither quotation marks nore a quote box

you on the other hand did make it an official quote by someone named OP

am i to assume OP means original poster?

i dunno. how do i know you're not misquoting some poster named OP with a quote that never happened

:confusedshrug:

i dunno if you should be banned for making up things

could it be a rule violation to make up terms of use or rules violations that dont exist? i haven't a clue. i'm just asking questions!

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[outbreak]

eh the NBA is a business, regardless of the fact that he isn't likely to lead them to a championship on his own these days he will still bring in more revenue for the lakers than they would letting him go.

[AintNoSunshine]

Well they are not talking about the same thing really. The ESPN guys do not need to take into consideration Kobe's off court marketing value and etc, they are purely talking about salary to on court production.

[kennethgriffin]

Well they are not talking about the same thing really. The ESPN guys do not need to take into consideration Kobe's off court marketing value and etc, they are purely talking about salary to on court production.


ok.. throw out his marketing value

throw out his overdue owings from earlier in his career getting underpaid

throw out his earned raises from sticking with the same team for 18 years

just purely based on a year to year salary for production


what is a max contract to you?


if a 1st team all nba top 3 player with 27/6/5 on 47% fg's isnt a max contract player. then who is?


why would there be a max contract if nobodies worthy of one?


unless someone thinks the measuring stick to judge all other contracts is by a player who came in the league 8 years after him and took a pay cut to ring chase

judging kobes contract based on lebrons makes absolutely no sense

i'd rather judge it based on a comparison with a similar situation.

like michael jordan in 1997 and 1998. and kobes stats are right on par with his. nobody said he was overpaid.

so neither is kobe

again..based on production?... kobe is one of the most productive players in the league

[AintNoSunshine]

ok.. throw out his marketing value

throw out his overdue owings from earlier in his career getting underpaid

throw out his earned raises from sticking with the same team for 18 years

just purely based on a year to year salary for production


what is a max contract to you?


if a 1st team all nba top 3 player with 27/6/5 on 47% fg's isnt a max contract player. then who is?


why would there be a max contract if nobodies worthy of one?


unless someone thinks the measuring stick to judge all other contracts is by a player who came in the league 8 years after him and took a pay cut to ring chase

judging kobes contract based on lebrons makes absolutely no sense

i'd rather judge it based on a comparison with a similar situation.

like michael jordan in 1997 and 1998. and kobes stats are right on par with his. nobody said he was overpaid.

so neither is kobe

again..based on production?... kobe is one of the most productive players in the league


Isn't he making 30+ million this year? I am not that familiar with nba contracts but isn't that bigger than a regular max contract?

[IGOTGAME]

Kobe has brought in more thane nough revenue to justify his contract. Anyone denying this is just being silly.

[kennethgriffin]

Isn't he making 30+ million this year? I am not that familiar with nba contracts but isn't that bigger than a regular max contract?


Its a regular max contract for an 18 year vet whos signed about 3 or 4 extensions

Loyalty has bonus's

Longevity has bonus's

Why hate on a guy who did the right things?

[Chrono90]

With the roster they have now, if Kobe isn't playing for them, they might have the stadium half filled every night.

Kobe's name alone can help the organization make more money than he is paid.

[redboy]

Kobe's name itself makes the franchise millions upon millions of dollars. Kobe is the image of the Lakers right now. It's only fair for him to be paid around 30 million after playing with the Lakers for almost twenty years. He's spent more than half his life with the team, that's ridiculous. We should appreciate Kobe for the 2-3 years he has left before he retires, because he's one of the last early 2000s greats along with KG, Duncan, and Dirk.

[SpanishACB]

they turn out a billion dollars worth of total worldwide brand profit every year for their city/team/side brands



They don't.

You're just a 20 year old with very basic social-economic understanding that thinks he has figured out the world.

Just another kid told by his mom that he's got the smarts. Real world will fix that soon enough.

Kobe is not the image of the Lakers. It's Lakers. They're a powerful enough brand by themselves and they would still be in the top of most watched teams nationally and internationally, Kobe Bryant or otherwise.

[INDI]

are you still peddling the delusion that he actually deserved that accolade

Who should be the ones deciding who gets these accolades? Ish?

There are more kobe lovers on ish than there as re dislikers so he would still have won it. He also would have won it if it was voted by fans (you can tell by the allstar game love he gets). He also would get it amongst his nba peers ( go check the hundreds of players comments about him.


He pretty much gets 1st team all nba in just about any poll you could come up with besides one where all the voters live in houston.