kobe bryants true yearly value estimate. via production/brand sales/tickets

[kennethgriffin]

production.

27/5/6, 1st team all nba

$20,000,000/year

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jersey sales


How much money does the NBA generate? around 4 billion dollars per year

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_annual_revenue_does_the_sale_of_NBA_jerse ys_generate

fair estimate

kobe bryant was #1 in jersey sales for most of the last decade

he's probably responsible for 10% of the sales atleast

which is $400million

$400,000,000



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shoes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/05/22/lebron-james-is-the-nbas-leading-shoe-salesmen/



Kobe 8 signature shoes sold $50 million at U.S. stores last year

kobe bryant makes around 22.3% of that ( kobe signs anual deals of 40 million every 5 years )

50,000,000/year

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trading cards panini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini_America


The Panini Group reached record sales approaching $1 billion in 2009, has ... the NBA announced Panini would become the exclusive trading card partner

kobe is exclusively with panini. he is one of the only top nba names exclusively signed with them. making him pretty much the only reason nba fans buy their cards and looking for autographs or jersey cards

i'd say 25% of the market is basketball. with kobe being responsible for atleast 50% of the sales

1 billion divided by 4 = 250,000,000

50% of 250,000,000 is 125 million

$125,000,000/year

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ticket sales

http://madamenoire.com/101895/nba-championship-economics-and-the-600-million-team/3/


The priciest tickets in the NBA generate $2 million a game for the Lakers' owners


2 million times 82 games is 164 million

the average nba arena sells 16,000 seats per game

theres 19,060 seats in staples center

because of kobe they sell out every game. any team that sells out must have an elite brand player

which is around a 16% increase

16% of 164 million = 26.4 million


$26,400,000/year

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tv contract

the lakers signed an 8 billion dollar decade long contract. with mostly all of it due to kobe bryant

hes responsible for atleast 25%

$2,000,000,000 for the next 5 years

2 billion devided by 5 is 400 million

$400,000,000/year



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which is a grand total of

$1,021,400,000

1 billion dollars bare minimum

not counting allot of the world. just common knowledge




still think kobe is overpaid?

[Bobcats2013]

That Jersey estimate is way off in my opinion. Switch that with TV Rights fees.

Kobe is the reason people watch the Lakers today.

[kennethgriffin]

That Jersey estimate is way off in my opinion. Switch that with TV Rights fees.


probably.. but even if its off.. i still say out of the entire world. kobe sells around a billion dollars worth of jerseys every year

and i havent even gotten into the whole tv rights deals

like the 8 billion dollar contract the lakers signed

or the league pass sales


*edit.. just added the tv contract

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol this is some terrible math/approximation but I agree with the general Idea that Kobe is a max player especially if you factor in the off the court value he brings.

[chosen_one6]

God damn this n*gga sucks Kobe off so much he can't stop thinking about him all day.

[kennethgriffin]

That Jersey estimate is way off in my opinion. Switch that with TV Rights fees.

Kobe is the reason people watch the Lakers today.


fixed the jersey sales estimate... did more research.. its actually around 400 million

[FKAri]

If you did this for all NBA players half of them would be living in low income housing.

[kennethgriffin]

If you did this for all NBA players half of them would be living in low income housing.


i think only kobe and lebron turn out a billion dollars a year of total revenue


i'd say the average nba player is worth less than 2% of what they are

[ispin69]

kenneth are you retarded or something? nevermind rhetorical question we know it's yes.

What does his private dealings with companies have to do with how much he is worth on the court? Jordan still makes bank with his shoes and Nike etc even though he's been retired for years. Should he still get a big contract with the bulls or wizards for it? :facepalm Stop spewing out retarded numbers that do not reflect anything.

TV deals? You think they pay that for ONE player? Not the other players on his team? Not the opponents? Not the coaches? Not because of what the front office does? Do you understand economics at all? There are no costs, no expenditures...its ALL PROFITS. ALL OF IT BELONGS TO KOBE!! ONLY KOBE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF IT. :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

kenneth are you retarded or something? nevermind rhetorical question we know it's yes.

What does his private dealings with companies have to do with how much he is worth on the court? Jordan still makes bank with his shoes and Nike etc even though he's been retired for years. Should he still get a big contract with the bulls or wizards for it? :facepalm Stop spewing out retarded numbers that do not reflect anything.

TV deals? You think they pay that for ONE player? Not the other players on his team? Not the opponents? Not the coaches? Not because of what the front office does? Do you understand economics at all? There are no costs, no expenditures...its ALL PROFITS. ALL OF IT BELONGS TO KOBE!! ONLY KOBE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF IT. :facepalm


i didnt say it did. this thread is about his overall value. i listed his on court value at 20 mill


try reading something other than the title... wait.. nevermind. i even said it in the title


kobe bryants true yearly value estimate. via production/brand sales/tickets

and i didnt give total value to kobe. like the tv deal for instance. i gave kobe 25% of the value. which is fair. infact. i'd say much more than 25% of the people who watch laker games are kobe bryant fans/haters and non laker fans ( and thats at the very least )


who's the retard exactly?

:roll:

[ispin69]

i didnt say it did. this thread is about his overall value. i listed his on court value at 20 mill


try reading something other than the title... wait.. nevermind. i even said it in the title




who's the retard ?

:roll:

he's probably responsible for 10% of the sales atleast
kobe bryant makes around 22.3% of that
i'd say 25% of the market is basketball. with kobe being responsible for atleast 50% of the sales
which is around a 16% increase
hes responsible for atleast 25%



All you have are a bunch of "PROBABLY responsible" percentages. You make them up out of your azz. :facepalm That doesn't make it what is it is, moron. And if he's "making" so much on side deals maybe he should work for free and leave cap space so he can win...oops there goes your sh!t logic. huuurrrr the nba/companies is making so much...this is all kobe. GTFO

[kennethgriffin]

All you have are a bunch of "PROBABLY" percentages. :facepalm


thats what an estimate is.. its an estimated guess based on probables


but anyway.. its not like i went all out. i gave kobe small percentages

like the 10% of nba jersey sales... thats pretty low considering its more likely that 90% of jersey sales around the world are one of either kobe or lebron

the guy was #1 by a large margin for over a decade for god sake

[ispin69]

still think kobe is overpaid?

Oh really you didn't make any mention of how it ties to your thoughts of how he is being paid for on the court salary? :applause:

[AintNoSunshine]

production.

27/5/6, 1st team all nba

$20,000,000/year

---------------------------------------------

jersey sales



http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_annual_revenue_does_the_sale_of_NBA_jerse ys_generate

fair estimate

kobe bryant was #1 in jersey sales for most of the last decade

he's probably responsible for 10% of the sales atleast

which is $400million

$400,000,000



------------------------------------------------------------

shoes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/05/22/lebron-james-is-the-nbas-leading-shoe-salesmen/



kobe bryant makes around 22.3% of that ( kobe signs anual deals of 40 million every 5 years )

50,000,000/year

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trading cards panini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini_America



kobe is exclusively with panini. he is one of the only top nba names exclusively signed with them. making him pretty much the only reason nba fans buy their cards and looking for autographs or jersey cards

i'd say 25% of the market is basketball. with kobe being responsible for atleast 50% of the sales

1 billion divided by 4 = 250,000,000

50% of 250,000,000 is 125 million

$125,000,000/year

-------------------------------------------

ticket sales

http://madamenoire.com/101895/nba-championship-economics-and-the-600-million-team/3/



2 million times 82 games is 164 million

the average nba arena sells 16,000 seats per game

theres 19,060 seats in staples center

because of kobe they sell out every game. any team that sells out must have an elite brand player

which is around a 16% increase

16% of 164 million = 26.4 million


$26,400,000/year

-----------------------------------------------------------

tv contract

the lakers signed an 8 billion dollar decade long contract. with mostly all of it due to kobe bryant

hes responsible for atleast 25%

$2,000,000,000 for the next 5 years

2 billion devided by 5 is 400 million

$400,000,000/year



---------------------------------------------------------

which is a grand total of

$1,021,400,000

1 billion dollars bare minimum

not counting allot of the world. just common knowledge




still think kobe is overpaid?


:lol The league's average cap is somewhere around 60 million, how is the team going to pay him 1 billion? You are mixing up different concepts. A super star's salary will never be able to remotely indicate his overall value, you have to think about it in the right context

[kennethgriffin]

:lol The league's average cap is somewhere around 60 million, how is the team going to pay him 1 billion? You are mixing up different concepts. A super star's salary will never be able to remotely indicate his overall value, you have to think about it in the right context


i think the lakers should realistically owe kobe 150-200 million a year/per season based on overall on court production/ticket sales/tv deals/jersey sales


the shoes and trading cards are obviously separate

and thats being nice.

[macmac]

This is so stupid. It doesn't matter how much his true value to the organization is worth financially. There is a salary cap that makes it difficult to create a solid team when the bulk of a teams payroll goes to one player. Look at the lakers, they don't have much flexibility.

I totally disagree with ESPN claiming he is the most overpaid player in the league. But for the Lakers hopes of winning another championship? Yes, he is overpaid.

How much money he puts in billionaires pockets doesn't really matter from a basketball perspective.

[kennethgriffin]

This is so stupid. It doesn't matter how much his true value to the organization is worth financially. There is a salary cap that makes it difficult to create a solid team when the bulk of a teams payroll goes to one player. Look at the lakers, they don't have much flexibility.

I totally disagree with ESPN claiming he is the most overpaid player in the league. But for the Lakers hopes of winning another championship? Yes, he is overpaid.

How much money he puts in billionaires pockets doesn't really matter from a basketball perspective.


maybe its not kobe whos overpaid.. but the collection of stars who collude to win who are underpaid

i think what kobe makes is what a star with a big name should make under the current cba. its just that the average contender is paying most of their good players way less than market value... some of it due to their age or due to them taking pay cuts to ring chase like punk b*tches

:confusedshrug:

[macmac]

maybe its not kobe whos overpaid.. but the collection of stars who collude to win who are underpaid

i think what kobe makes is what a star with a big name should make under the current cba. its just that the average contender is paying most of their good players way less than market value... some of it due to their age or due to them taking pay cuts to ring chase like punk b*tches

:confusedshrug:

Who cares if those guys are "underpaid" or what he should truly be getting? Are you a fan of Kobe or a fan of your team? Bottom line is, in the world we live in he's overpaid because his contract hurts mgmts ability to construct a true contender with the cba as it is. So that's why his contract is a net negative for his team.

I mean, maybe the guy deserves like 60mil a year plus shares of the lakers for his service to the franchise and the dollars he brings in. So what? If the lakers gave their whole salary cap to Kobe, would you still argue that hes not overpaid? Kobe and 10 guys on vet minimums

[kennethgriffin]

Who cares if those guys are "underpaid" or what he should truly be getting? Are you a fan of Kobe or a fan of your team? Bottom line is, in the world we live in he's overpaid because his contract hurts mgmts ability to construct a true contender with the cba as it is. So that's why his contract is a net negative for his team.

I mean, maybe the guy deserves like 60mil a year plus shares of the lakers for his service to the franchise and the dollars he brings in. So what? If the lakers gave their whole salary cap to Kobe, would you still argue that hes not overpaid? Kobe and 10 guys on vet minimums


so because of guys like lebron, wade, bosh... every loyal player whos earned their money must now give it up to compete with them?

if thats the honorable way to win now then why doesnt kobe just take an under the table deal from some russian nets owner to win titles 6,7 and 8

:confusedshrug:

thats way better than doing it the traditional way


its funny how we used to look down on the heat. but i guess its true "if you cant beat em. join em"

now colluding and pay cuts for cheap rings is the new standard

[macmac]

so because of guys like lebron, wade, bosh... every loyal player whos earned their money must now give it up to compete with them?

if thats the honorable way to win now then why doesnt kobe just take an under the table deal from some russian nets owner to win titles 6,7 and 8

:confusedshrug:

thats way better than doing it the traditional way


its funny how we used to look down on the heat. but i guess its true "if you cant beat em. join em"

now colluding and pay cuts for cheap rings is the new standard

Umm, even if the Miami Heat stopped existing tomorrow, the lakers still wouldn't be able to compete or properly build a contender while paying Kobe 30mil/yr.

So I have no idea what this has to do with Miami

[kennethgriffin]

Umm, even if the Miami Heat stopped existing tomorrow, the lakers still wouldn't be able to compete or properly build a contender while paying Kobe 30mil/yr.

So I have no idea what this has to do with Miami


the bulls won 2 titles with jordan making 30+ million

they werent giving their 2nd best player 20 million however like the lakers are

and an over the hill 40 year old bum who cant even play 10 million

the problem is today the average player gets 3-4 times more money than they should be getting

its not kobes fault. its the league/owners/union thats f*cking everything up

that being said

the lakers won a title in 2010 kobe making 23 million

with bynum barely even playing and collecting 13 million

so that 8ppg could have been replaced by a 3-4 million dollar player and the other 10 of bynums 13 million goes to kobe for a 30 million dollar contract and an nba championship

its not impossible. just need better coaching and gm decisions

[macmac]

the bulls won 2 titles with jordan making 30+ million

they werent giving their 2nd best player 20 million however like the lakers are

and an over the hill 40 year old bum who cant even play 10 million

the problem is today the average player gets 3-4 times more money than they should be getting

its not kobes fault. its the league/owners/union thats f*cking everything up

that being said

the lakers won a title in 2010 kobe making 23 million

with bynum barely even playing and collecting 13 million

so that 8ppg could have been replaced by a 3-4 million dollar player and the other 10 of bynums 13 million goes to kobe for a 30 million dollar contract and an nba championship

its not impossible. just need better coaching and gm decisions


A few things.

Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Kobe is not.

Jordan was in his prime. Kobe is best case at the end of his prime, and coming off a very serious injury.

Its really really unlikely that Lakers win another championship with Kobe on his current contract.

[macmac]

Even if two stars take a huge paycut to play with Kobe because he's such a great teammate and person to get along with, their roster will be incredibly thin. Because of the CBA you need at least a year after a superteam is assembled to get some help on the bench. Just look at Miami's first year together. They were gridlocked

[kennethgriffin]

A few things.

Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Kobe is not.

Jordan was in his prime. Kobe is best case at the end of his prime, and coming off a very serious injury.

Its really really unlikely that Lakers win another championship with Kobe on his current contract.


:roll:

1998 jordan was not better than 2013 kobe

jordan averaged 28/5/3 on 46%

kobe averaged 27/5/6 on 46%


and kobe was throwing down dunks reminiscent of 2003

if kobe comes back to anywhere near what he was last year. hes good enough to lead this team to a championship if they get the right pieces around him

infact.. kobe in 2013 was better than 2010 when he won finals mvp

go back and watch some film.

[macmac]

98Jordan was most definitely better than 13 Kobe. I wish i could compare playoff numbers. And next year won't matter because it's a throwaway year. So you're talking two years from now. And the injury is still a question mark.

Anyway, it's ok to have fantasies as long as you're aware theyre fantasies and don't live your whole life disillusioned

[kennethgriffin]

98Jordan was most definitely better than 13 Kobe. I wish i could compare playoff numbers. And next year won't matter because it's a throwaway year. So you're talking two years from now. And the injury is still a question mark.

Anyway, it's ok to have fantasies as long as you're aware theyre fantasies and don't live your whole life disillusioned

2013 kobe was probably his 7th or 8th best season of his career

1998 was michael jordans worst regular season as a chicago bull other than his injured year and the one he played a few games after coming back

jordan was old and busted. stole mvp only cause malone stole one from mj the year before that.

3 assists per game is horrible. kobe doubled his output

that and kobe absolutely took his sh*t injured team on his back and dragged them into the playoffs practically on his own with a spectacular second half of the season. the lakers record after the allstar break was right up there with the heat and spurs

and 98 mj wasnt pulling off dunks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8h_LiEzIA

nore did he have range like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQd2h4X0O2E

[LakersDaBEst]

Only ignorant haters fk say that Kobe is overpaid. Ignorant haters always tend to ignore the fact that Kobe has been on the Lakers for 17th season. I't s rewarding contract, just like MJs.

[noob cake]

:roll:

1998 jordan was not better than 2013 kobe

jordan averaged 28/5/3 on 46%

kobe averaged 27/5/6 on 46%


:biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

:biggums:


jordan was an absolute black hole in 98.. theres a reason the team was so much worse with pippen out. they had no play making cause pippen was their point guard. jordan still only managed 3 assists per game on the year.

kobe on the other hand was taking turns doing his best impression of kobe johnson for over a month of the season.

people forget that string of magic-like point guard games kobe had

[aj1987]

:roll:

1998 jordan was not better than 2013 kobe

jordan averaged 28/5/3 on 46%

kobe averaged 27/5/6 on 46%


Where did you learn how to round numbers?

MJ - 28.7/5.8/3.5/1.7/0.5 with 2.5 TOV's on 46.5%
Kobe - 27.3/5.6/6.0/1.4/0.3 with 3.7 TOV's on 46.3%

MJ made the All-Defensive First team, was the MVP, won a ring, and was the FMVP. Kobe was horrible defensively. Jordan was a better scorer, rebounder and defender.

'98 MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '13 Kobe.

[PickernRoller]

Oh really you didn't make any mention of how it ties to your thoughts of how he is being paid for on the court salary? :applause:

Lol fakkit you got owned by kenneth....just shut up and admit the embarrassment. No need to save face. It's a rare distinction to be owned by him :oldlol: :oldlol:

but but.....

If you jump on a dude without protection you're asking to be raped....

[ralph_i_el]

you can't just take all those revenue streams and attribute them to kobe. You need to look at the opportunity cost. Revenue w/ Kobe- Revenue W/O kobe=Kobe's value.


in terms of filling a basketball team with talent, his salary is going to make it tough

[ralph_i_el]

maybe its not kobe whos overpaid.. but the collection of stars who collude to win who are underpaid

i think what kobe makes is what a star with a big name should make under the current cba. its just that the average contender is paying most of their good players way less than market value... some of it due to their age or due to them taking pay cuts to ring chase like punk b*tches

:confusedshrug:


how can the "average" contender pay less that market value. Market value is determined by how much players are paid. If players take less money than they can, it depresses market value. Market value is what the market is paying. The market is not just Kobe

[KG215]

Where did you learn how to round numbers?

MJ - 28.7/5.8/3.5/1.7/0.5 with 2.5 TOV's on 46.5%
Kobe - 27.3/5.6/6.0/1.4/0.3 with 3.7 TOV's on 46.3%

MJ made the All-Defensive First team, was the MVP, won a ring, and was the FMVP. Kobe was horrible defensively. Jordan was a better scorer, rebounder and defender.

'98 MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '13 Kobe.
:oldlol:

You didn't know that about Griff? He tries to sneakily fudge his rounding (favorable for Kobe and unfavorably for whatever player he's comparing to Kobe) and hope no one bothers to fact check him. This isn't the first time he's been caught.

[IGOTGAME]

Lol@ this simpleton mac mac calling Kobe overpaid. In the real world the primary concern is the bottom line. Kobe is still a top 3 ticket I the world. That is all that matters. Only here would a guy that brings in 20 times more than his salary in revenue be the overpaid guy.

[Trollsmasher]

One of the worst financial analysis I have ever seen and I have seen some bad ones.

[inclinerator]

meanwhilel lebron's shoe made 300million last year

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm301/Clownboss/orangoutan.jpg