Why does Shaq only have 1 MVP?

[Ken_Masters]

I've always wondered about this. Shaq was the most dominant player of his era. He has 4 rings and 3 finals MVPs if i'm not mistaken. So what is the logic behind him only having won one NBA MVP award throughout his entire career, while they are now awarding the MVP to LeBron James every year it seems? Both were the most dominant players in their eras. What exactly is LeBron doing that Shaq did not do during his time?

[TheBigVeto]

Simple answer: Shaq wasn't that great.

[Ken_Masters]

Simple answer: Shaq wasn't that great.

Seriously? Shaq was the most dominant player in his era and he backed it up with titles. LeBron is doing the same thing in his own era. One is winning MVPs every year while the other didn't. What is the difference?

[NumberSix]

Seriously? Shaq was the most dominant player in his era and he backed it up with titles. LeBron is doing the same thing in his own era. One is winning MVPs every year while the other didn't. What is the difference?
In short, LeBron doesn't sit out 1/3 of seasons.

[ispin69]

Team success > individual awards
Playoffs > Reg season stats padding

[gts]

Shaq came into camp overweight, out of shape or recovering from surgery he put off all summer until the last moment. Those Lakers teams led by Kobe carried him more times than naught until he was up to speed. Hard to give the award to a guy like that no matter how good he is when you have other players in the league giving it their all from the start on teams that would collapse without them.

[aj1987]

AI stole the '01 MVP. Has a case for it in '99 and would've won it if he wasn't injured in '98.

[LakersDaBEst]

MVP - team success. overrated piece of shyt.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He usually had a top 5 player next to him during his most dominant runs

In 01 he didn't get it because he played with Kobe, and AI was leading a #1 team w/o another elite player.

The criteria changes ever year, it's crazy. How many MVPS would Tim Duncan have every time he put up 20 & 10 and led a team to 50 + wins like when the Award was given to Nash 2 years in a row while putting up equivalent numbers for a point guard. Steve Nash has more MVPS than Shaq..doesn't seem right

[Noyze]

Lakers underachieved in 99
00 he won and had one of the most dominant MVP seasons ever
01 A.I. had the underdog factor on his side
02 Shaq came in out of shape and Duncan had a very dominant season.

actually I always believed Shaq should have won the MVP in 05

[ripthekik]

that's why the mvp doesn't mean crap. It's a media voted player award.. goes to the best story that season. It holds no merit. At all.

[NumberSix]

that's why the mvp doesn't mean crap. It's a media voted player award.. goes to the best story that season. It holds no merit. At all.
Bladers

[asdf1990]

cuz he barely ever played more than 70 games in a season thru most of his prime

[longtime lurker]

Lakers underachieved in 99
00 he won and had one of the most dominant MVP seasons ever
01 A.I. had the underdog factor on his side
02 Shaq came in out of shape and Duncan had a very dominant season.

actually I always believed Shaq should have won the MVP in 05

This I'd agree with

[talkingconch]

they are not entirely about the player and more about how your team is performing in the Regular season. Hence why lebron has gotten 4 but has failed in 2 of those 4 years in the postseason.

the mvp award as fell hard, believe or not. if your a lebron stan mineswell avoid this thread

[SamuraiSWISH]

He deserves no more than 2 or 3 max anyway ... guy was lazy, and never maxed out his true potential.

[Bosnian Sajo]

He usually had a top 5 player next to him during his most dominant runs

In 01 he didn't get it because he played with Kobe, and AI was leading a #1 team w/o another elite player.


Because its not like James is playing with Wade or anything...

[SyRyanYang]

Much tougher competition.

[TheReal Kendall]

3 Fmvp > 3 Mvp

[jstern]

He missed a lot of games per season. That would definitely have a big impact.

[coin24]

Because its not like James is playing with Wade or anything...


Doesn't count, bronzey #1 duh:oldlol:

[Myth]

Shaq should have 3. 2000, 2001, 2005.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because its not like James is playing with Wade or anything...


Yeah like I said man they change the criteria every year.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2005.
Wade was better. In regular season, and especially post season.

[ispin69]

3 Fmvp > 3 Mvp

THIS. Passing on being GOOD on the reg season for GREATNESS in the playoffs when it matters. That's strength, that's desire, that's focus, that's mental fortitude.

[kennethgriffin]

why does shaq only have 1 mvp?

....

how about


why does kobe bryant only have 1 mvp?
why does oscar robertson only have 1 mvp?
why does hakeem olajuwon only have 1 mvp?
why does babe ruth only have 1 mvp?
why does ken griffey jr only have 1 mvp?
why does hank aaron only have 1 mvp?
why does sammy sosa only have 1 mvp?
why does maurice richard only have 1 mvp?
why does dan marino only have 1 mvp?
why does jon elway only have 1 mvp?
why does barry sanders only have 1 mvp?




why do guys like steve nash have more mvp's than all these guys?

why does derrick rose have as many mvps as these guys?



i'l tell ya why.. because voters are f*cking idiots. the award is opinion and not anything real a person can "win" because there is no criteria and its all about who the guy voting thinks is cute on his bedroom wall

theres heavy amounts of hatred and love that goes into who they pick.

jealousy and envy

idiocy

.. you name it...

all i know is

4 guys who can arguably go down as the greatest basketball/baseball/football and hockey players ever... have 1 mvp

- maurice richard
- babe ruth
- barry sanders
- kobe bryant



:confusedshrug:

[Myth]

Wade was better. In regular season, and especially post season.

Definitely agree with postseason, but I think Shaq was still top dog for most of the season.

[Harison]

Voters like underdogs, plus Shaq often didnt cared for RS. Its a huge travesty he won only one though, he should have won ~3.

[air mamba]

malone took his mvp award from 1999 and iverson managed to nab one while he was busy bullying kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

malone took his mvp award from 1999 and iverson managed to nab one while he was busy bullying kobe.

pretty sure they didnt guard each other much in the finals. and kobe got the last laugh in 2001 and overall for their careers

btw kobe had a great 2001 playoffs and finals.. i dont really understand the reference to begin with

who are you? lebron james

[miller-time]

Shaq should have 3. 2000, 2001, 2005.

Why '05? Nash took a team that weren't in the playoffs the previous season (unlike Miami) and got them to 1st place in the league. If that isn't MVP worthy then I don't know what is?

[kennethgriffin]

Why '05? Nash took a team that weren't in the playoffs the previous season (unlike Miami) and got them to 1st place in the league. If that isn't MVP worthy then I don't know what is?

what year is this?


:biggums:


next thing you know your gonna say "ya rose deserved it in 2011!"



not much for hindsight are ya?

[Ken_Masters]

I agree that shaq should have at least won mvp for how he turned Miami into instant title contenders the moment he stepped foot in south beach. Heck during shaqs prime you could stick him on a team with any other decent player and they would be instant contenders. How did orlando shaq miss out on mvps? Statistically he was an animal even back then

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Shaq hated the regular season. He would find any excuse to prolong injury rest time, or miss games, and chill.

He was famous for his "turn on the switch when it matters" type of quotes, referring to the playoffs.

Also stuff like "I got injured on company time, I will heal on company time" as his excuse for missing a bunch of laker games in the reg season.


Lastly, he was robbed in 2004-2005 with that dumb Nash MVP. Shaq should have won it, but came in as runner up I think. Nash didn't deserve 2 in a row.

That's why he only won 1.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Why '05? Nash took a team that weren't in the playoffs the previous season (unlike Miami) and got them to 1st place in the league. If that isn't MVP worthy then I don't know what is?

Nash is an overrated system player. He owes his success to D'Antoni's style that suited him perfectly.

Meanwhile, take prime Shaq, and place him literally on any team in the league, with any coach, and he carries them deep.

[joeyjoejoe]

Why '05? Nash took a team that weren't in the playoffs the previous season (unlike Miami) and got them to 1st place in the league. If that isn't MVP worthy then I don't know what is?


What a lot of ppl don't know is that amare played much better in 05 and missed a third of the 04 season also pheonix added Joe Johnson in 05 who had a 17 and 5 season so no it wasn't all Nash coming to pheonix that made them better, on a sidenote Dallas got better after Nash left so that logic is flawed

[Round Mound]

MVP Does NOT = Best Player

Its Just "The Best Player On The Team That Wins The Most".

Today Atleast.

It Should Be:

-Best Player On The Team That Wins The Most With The Least Amount of Help. That Should Be The Leagues MVP

Shaq WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST PLAYER OF THE LATE 90s and EARLY 00s

[plowking]

He missed a lot of games.

The only other cases he has is in 01 and 05. He should have won it in 01 and Nash probably deserved the 05 one. Made a bigger turnaround with his team, and put on some of the best passing displays since back in the 80's Lakers and Celtics days with Bird and Magic.

[Myth]

Why '05? Nash took a team that weren't in the playoffs the previous season (unlike Miami) and got them to 1st place in the league. If that isn't MVP worthy then I don't know what is?

I credit D'Antoni more for that improvement, as well as roster improvements all around. Nash was a huge part and I do think he was worthy as a candidate for MVP, but I don't agree with him as MVP.

[Myth]

malone took his mvp award from 1999 and iverson managed to nab one while he was busy bullying kobe.

Laker were 4th seed in the West that season and only tied the 4th seed Hawks of the east. If anything, Malone stole that MVP from Duncan.

[Papaya Petee]

Shaq didn't deserve the MVP in 2004-2005. Wade was the better player in the regular season and playoffs, especially playoffs.

24\7\6 as a second year player is more impressive than
22\10\2 as a veteran dominant center.

He deserved it in 2000-2001 over Allen Iverson tho.

[Flash31]

He usually had a top 5 player next to him during his most dominant runs

In 01 he didn't get it because he played with Kobe, and AI was leading a #1 team w/o another elite player.

The criteria changes ever year, it's crazy. How many MVPS would Tim Duncan have every time he put up 20 & 10 and led a team to 50 + wins like when the Award was given to Nash 2 years in a row while putting up equivalent numbers for a point guard. Steve Nash has more MVPS than Shaq..doesn't seem right


The criteria DOES change every year.And its a media,popularity,biased vote at that.

Some years it's best player,other most valuable player for a team,others teams best player with top record,others what makes a feel good story,others whos most popular or well liked at the time.

If the criteria was the same either DRose would not have the MVP in 2011 and Durant or LeBron would,or it would have been given to Dirk.
In 2009 Wade was best player and most valuable,it just so happened his team record wasnt great and Kobes and LeBrons were along with stats not being that too far apart.

In 2011 they gave it to Rose bc of num 1 record,voter fatigue for LeBron,and Rose was the feel good story,most well liked and LeBron was media and public enemy num 1.

If the criteria stayed the same every year,not some arbitrary reason thats the standard that year to give it to who the media wants to that year,

Wilt would have more MVPS,Shaq would have at least 3,DWADE would have at least 2,Nash would not have 2 MVPS,rOSE WOULD NOT HAVE WON IN 2011.

But seemingly every year the MVP award and the Defensive player of the year award have different reasons every year.
One year Dwight wins D Mvp and is All D 1st team,and team has one of best records,
the other Chandler wins and is NOT even All D 1st Team and team doesnt have even top 6 record.

Somehow those two awards change reasons why EVERY SINGLE Year.And bc its a media vote,its entirely popularity based,
its why Since 2008 Kobe has made all D 1st Several Times and has been on the all-d team almost every single year or how when LeBron won MVP this year it was near unanimous except for some media favoring and being Biased towards Carmelo.

You cant take MVPS and Defensive MVPS as Fact and Truth bc theyre entirely popularity based.Even when they were voted on by coaches,gms,players it was still a popularity contest,biased opinion.

Its how when the gms were surveyed said
KD,Curry,PG are better SG than Wade.Or how some belive DRose is best player.Or how alot still believe Kobes "clutch" when facts show otherwise.


A media driven,popularity,opinion biased award will always have faults due to the criteria and it always changing and due to media bias,whatever they feel like will win the award it does.

[guy]

Didn't play enough games. He only played more then 70 games in 93, 94, 95, 00, 01, 05, and 09. In 93, he was a rookie, and in 09 he was too old, and in both cases he wasn't an MVP player, so take those out. Hakeem clearly deserved it over him in 94. Robinson deserved it over him in 95. So really that leaves 01 and 05. You could say he deserved it in both years, but in 01, his team fell significantly short of expectations and took a significant step back from the year before in the regular season. The MVP voting process seems to greatly frown upon those things, and praises what AI's team did which was pretty much the opposite. In 05, I don't know, I guess people thought Nash and Shaq were on the same level, and I'd guess that since Nash played more games and his team won more games, he won it.

[Flash31]

why does shaq only have 1 mvp?

....

how about


why does kobe bryant only have 1 mvp?
why does oscar robertson only have 1 mvp?
why does hakeem olajuwon only have 1 mvp?
why does babe ruth only have 1 mvp?
why does ken griffey jr only have 1 mvp?
why does hank aaron only have 1 mvp?
why does sammy sosa only have 1 mvp?
why does maurice richard only have 1 mvp?
why does dan marino only have 1 mvp?
why does jon elway only have 1 mvp?
why does barry sanders only have 1 mvp?




why do guys like steve nash have more mvp's than all these guys?

why does derrick rose have as many mvps as these guys?



i'l tell ya why.. because voters are f*cking idiots. the award is opinion and not anything real a person can "win" because there is no criteria and its all about who the guy voting thinks is cute on his bedroom wall

theres heavy amounts of hatred and love that goes into who they pick.

jealousy and envy

idiocy

.. you name it...

all i know is

4 guys who can arguably go down as the greatest basketball/baseball/football and hockey players ever... have 1 mvp

- maurice richard
- babe ruth
- barry sanders
- kobe bryant



:confusedshrug:


Gretzky is GOAT,not even arguably he is or has the most for it.

Kobe Bryant with all due respect,great player one of the goats will NEVER have a Case for GOAT over
Russell,Wilt,Jordan,Kareem.

Barry Sanders,yeah he definitely has a case but with Football,the game,awards,hype is mostly always on the qbs,regardless of what anybody does.Thats why when people mention goat,its almost always qbs or whoevers "hot" and "the story" at the moment.

Baseball
the majority of everybody think Ruth is the GOAT similar to how a lot of people believe ALI is GOAT
media bias plays a huge part in MVP or best voting though

Manny Pacquiao was named Fighter of the Decade by media even though he has absolutely 0,ZERO Case over Floyd Mayweather,even judging accomplishments,fights won,caliber of fighters,MP has 0 case yet
Public Enemy Num 1 against Media Hyped,Loved,Praised Fighter
hmm who do they vote for?.

The MVP has always been a popularity contest.Whoever the media is in love with and wants to be MVP or Best deemed is who they pick,regardless of stats,accomplishments or anything.

[3peated]

big men aren't flashy. gotta be a 1/2/3 to get an mvp most the time

[2LeTTeRS]

big men aren't flashy. gotta be a 1/2/3 to get an mvp most the time

In the last 5-10 years maybe; but historically you couldn't be further from the truth.

[MavsSuperFan]

He was robbed by AI
and he played his prime in a strong era where others got the nod.

[Rooster]

He deserves no more than 2 or 3 max anyway ... guy was lazy, and never maxed out his true potential.

I agree with lazy but disagree with 3 max. Shaq was the best player and the guy with the most impact in his prime. If he was in Kareem's era he would have at least 4 MVPs. You saying that about maxing his true potential was the same thing that the media did not give him enough credit and playing with Kobe did not help. I remember when he was dominating the league but did not get the unanimous vote by one vote (AI got it) because Shaq according to that one media, was playing with Kobe.

[pauk]

MVP = Dominance that translates to best team success.... Individual dominance or stats, performances doesnt matter if it doesnt translate to team success...

Shaq had that but there were guys who had that in his time all the time aswell or even better.. Hakeem, Jordan, Iverson, Duncan....

[pauk]

He was robbed by AI
and he played his prime in a strong era where others got the nod.

He was never robbed...


1992-93: Charles Barkley got it, he played even better than Shaq & his domination translated to MUCH more team success, best team record in the NBA...
1993-94: Hakeem Olajuwon got it, he played overall even better than Shaq & his domination translated to 2nd best team record in the NBA...
1994-95: David Robinson got it, he played overall better than Shaq when you consider defense aswell, had the best record in the NBA...
1995-96: Michael Jordan was around this time with a whooping 72-10 record...
1996-97: Karl Malone got it, he didnt play overall better than MJ, perhaps better than Shaq... but he had the 2nd best team record in the NBA, he got it over MJ by a hair because he did just a tad bit more with less around him...
1997-98: Michael Jordan went ham again.... enough said...
1998-99: Michael Jordan retired and Karl Malone continued to do what he did in 96.... having the best record in the NBA with his great impact...
1999-00: Shaq finally gets one, he won because he was by now the most productive player in the NBA where it all also translated to best team success.... this time the best record in the NBA...
2000-01: Allen Iverson got it, he won because he did MUCH MORE WITH MUCH LESS....
2001-02: Tim Duncan got it, he averaged 28-13-4 with great defense, it translated to 2nd best record in the NBA... he did a bit more with less around him...
2002-03: See above, except this time he had the best record in the NBA...
2003-04: Kevin Garnett got it, he won because he did MUCH MORE WITH MUCH LESS....
2004-05+ and later: By this time he came to Miami Heat and was starting to be 2nd fiddle.... started to decrease and decrease...

[TheBigVeto]

how about


why does kobe bryant only have 1 mvp?





That is 1 MVP too many for Kobe. He did not deserve it.

[LAZERUSS]

why does shaq only have 1 mvp?

....

how about


why does kobe bryant only have 1 mvp?
why does oscar robertson only have 1 mvp?
why does hakeem olajuwon only have 1 mvp?
why does babe ruth only have 1 mvp?
why does ken griffey jr only have 1 mvp?
why does hank aaron only have 1 mvp?
why does sammy sosa only have 1 mvp?
why does maurice richard only have 1 mvp?
why does dan marino only have 1 mvp?
why does jon elway only have 1 mvp?
why does barry sanders only have 1 mvp?




why do guys like steve nash have more mvp's than all these guys?

why does derrick rose have as many mvps as these guys?



i'l tell ya why.. because voters are f*cking idiots. the award is opinion and not anything real a person can "win" because there is no criteria and its all about who the guy voting thinks is cute on his bedroom wall

theres heavy amounts of hatred and love that goes into who they pick.

jealousy and envy

idiocy

.. you name it...

all i know is

4 guys who can arguably go down as the greatest basketball/baseball/football and hockey players ever... have 1 mvp

- maurice richard
- babe ruth
- barry sanders
- kobe bryant



:confusedshrug:


Their was no MVP award in 1920 and 1921, or Ruth surely would have won it those years. He won the award in 1923. However, up until 1928, a player could not repeat, so Ruth lost out in 1927, as well.

Ruth would most certainly have had FOUR MVPs.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt won four MVPs, and was clearly robbed in '62, and certainly robbed in '64. And, what changed in the voting criteria that allowed Russell to beat out Wilt in '62, and yet for KAJ to beat out Chamberlain in '72?

[aj1987]

Wilt won four MVPs, and was clearly robbed in '62, and certainly robbed in '64. And, what changed in the voting criteria that allowed Russell to beat out Wilt in '62, and yet for KAJ to beat out Chamberlain in '72?
I do believe that Wilt was robbed in '62, but his team record might have something to do with it. In '64, Oscar averaged a triple double with 30 PPG.

'72? Are you serious?
Wilt: 15/19/4 - 69 wins
KAJ: 35/16/5 - 63 wins

[LAZERUSS]

I do believe that Wilt was robbed in '62, but his team record might have something to do with it. In '64, Oscar averaged a triple double with 30 PPG.

'72? Are you serious?
Wilt: 15/19/4 - 69 wins
KAJ: 35/16/5 - 63 wins

Once again, context...

'62:
Russell 19-24-5 .457 FG%, .595 FT% 60 wins
Chamberlain 50-26-2 .506 FG%, .613 FT% 49 wins
(and compare rosters)

'72: You can add that Wilt was voted first-team all-defense (and most certainly would have been DPOY), and led the league in rebounding and FG%.


Once again...if Russell's numbers were good enough to beat out Wilt in '62, then Chamberlain's numbers were clearly enough to beat out KAJ in '72.

As for '64...Chamberlain essentailly took the same roster that went 31-49 in 62-63 to a 48-32 record. Oscar, with a loaded roster, improved his team by from a 42-38 record to a 55-25 record. Oh, and Wilt probably averaged a triple-double (if you include blocks) in 63-64. Furthermore, Chamberlain led the league in 10 of their 22 statistical categories, and was top-5 in another 7...or a top-5 player in 17 of the 22 statistical categories. AND, had TRB%, offensive and defensive rebounding, and blocked shots been recorded...certainly another few more.

[MavsSuperFan]

He was never robbed...


1992-93: Charles Barkley got it, he played even better than Shaq & his domination translated to MUCH more team success, best team record in the NBA...
1993-94: Hakeem Olajuwon got it, he played overall even better than Shaq & his domination translated to 2nd best team record in the NBA...
1994-95: David Robinson got it, he played overall better than Shaq when you consider defense aswell, had the best record in the NBA...
1995-96: Michael Jordan was around this time with a whooping 72-10 record...
1996-97: Karl Malone got it, he didnt play overall better than MJ, perhaps better than Shaq... but he had the 2nd best team record in the NBA, he got it over MJ by a hair because he did just a tad bit more with less around him...
1997-98: Michael Jordan went ham again.... enough said...
1998-99: Michael Jordan retired and Karl Malone continued to do what he did in 96.... having the best record in the NBA with his great impact...
1999-00: Shaq finally gets one, he won because he was by now the most productive player in the NBA where it all also translated to best team success.... this time the best record in the NBA...
2000-01: Allen Iverson got it, he won because he did MUCH MORE WITH MUCH LESS....
2001-02: Tim Duncan got it, he averaged 28-13-4 with great defense, it translated to 2nd best record in the NBA... he did a bit more with less around him...
2002-03: See above, except this time he had the best record in the NBA...
2003-04: Kevin Garnett got it, he won because he did MUCH MORE WITH MUCH LESS....
2004-05+ and later: By this time he came to Miami Heat and was starting to be 2nd fiddle.... started to decrease and decrease...

At a minimum AI robbed him once in 01
but ya I said he got robbed by AI once and he was unlucky to have played his prime in an era with other great players.

[LAZERUSS]

I suspect that had there been a general draft of all players every season, that Shaq would have been the #1 player taken from '98 thru '04.

Oh, and Chamberlain had a 7-2 edge in All-NBA First teams over Russell in their 10 years in the league together, or the entire decade of the 60's. I suspect that Wilt would have been the top pick in a general draft in the vast majority of seasons in the 60's, too.

[aj1987]

Once again, context...

'62:
Russell 19-24-5 .457 FG%, .595 FT% 60 wins
Chamberlain 50-26-2 .506 FG%, .613 FT% 49 wins
(and compare rosters)
I did say he was robbed in '62. If a guy averages 50 PPG and 25 RPG, you just give him the MVP, even if he's on a .500 team.


'72: You can add that Wilt was voted first-team all-defense (and most certainly would have been DPOY), and led the league in rebounding and FG%.
KAJ averaged 20 points more than Wilt and had more APG, while averaging only 3 rebounds less per game than Wilt.



Once again...if Russell's numbers were good enough to beat out Wilt in '62, then Chamberlain's numbers were clearly enough to beat out KAJ in '72.
Once again, team records might be the reason why Wilt didn't win it in '62. In '72, KAJ won only 6 fewer games than Wilt, while having significantly better stats.

[LAZERUSS]

I did say he was robbed in '62. If a guy averages 50 PPG and 25 RPG, you just give him the MVP, even if he's on a .500 team.


KAJ averaged 20 points more than Wilt and had more APG, while averaging only 3 rebounds less per game than Wilt.



Once again, team records might be the reason why Wilt didn't win it in '62. In '72, KAJ won only 6 fewer games than Wilt, while having significantly better stats.

I see you agree about '62. But to add to that, just look at Wilt's and Russell's numbers, as well as their team records in '60...when Wilt ran away with the MVP. Compare them again in '62. The only significant change was that Wilt was considerably greater in '62.

As for the KAJ-Wilt argument...how about the fact that Kareem's Bucks DECLINED by three games in '72, while Wilt's Lakers JUMPED by a staggering 21 games?

Of course, I don't really have a problem with KAJ winning it in '72 (although McAdoo deserved it over him in '76)...BUT, Chamberlain was a more dominant player in '72, than Russell was in '62...and Wilt was a more dominant player in '62 than KAJ in '72.

[Asukal]

why does shaq only have 1 mvp?

....

how about


why does kobe bryant only have 1 mvp?
why does oscar robertson only have 1 mvp?
why does hakeem olajuwon only have 1 mvp?
why does babe ruth only have 1 mvp?
why does ken griffey jr only have 1 mvp?
why does hank aaron only have 1 mvp?
why does sammy sosa only have 1 mvp?
why does maurice richard only have 1 mvp?
why does dan marino only have 1 mvp?
why does jon elway only have 1 mvp?
why does barry sanders only have 1 mvp?




why do guys like steve nash have more mvp's than all these guys?

why does derrick rose have as many mvps as these guys?



i'l tell ya why.. because voters are f*cking idiots. the award is opinion and not anything real a person can "win" because there is no criteria and its all about who the guy voting thinks is cute on his bedroom wall

theres heavy amounts of hatred and love that goes into who they pick.

jealousy and envy

idiocy

.. you name it...

all i know is

4 guys who can arguably go down as the greatest basketball/baseball/football and hockey players ever... have 1 mvp

- maurice richard
- babe ruth
- barry sanders
- kobe bryant



:confusedshrug:

Agree with everything except the bolded. :facepalm

Of course, gaylauber once again attempts to derail a thread into talking about his boy Wilt. :facepalm