If someone as unskilled as roy hibbert can make it to the nba...

[Dr. Ice]

...who sucks in every aspect of basketball besides his ability to stick his hands in the air yet is still considered by uninformed people to be a top tier center, why is it so hard for people to believe that wilt could be incredible in today's nba when all evidence and footage shows that he has actual basketball skills unlike hibbert?

[Mr Exlax]

Hibbert is skilled. He's not the best offensively but he's still skilled as a center and as a basketball player. Secondly, NOBODY has said Wilt wouldn't be the best center in the NBA if he played right now. I see now why you have the red bars. Stupid me for commenting.

[2LeTTeRS]

Hibbert might be big and slow; but he is not lacking in the skill department.

[East_Stone_Ya]

:facepalm

pathetic attempt at trolling

[qrich]

Dude acting like Hibbert is Pavel Podolzkin

[Dr. Ice]

Hibbert is skilled. He's not the best offensively but he's still skilled as a center and as a basketball player. Secondly, NOBODY has said Wilt wouldn't be the best center in the NBA if he played right now. I see now why you have the red bars. Stupid me for commenting.

People constantly discredit wilt on this board dont give me that nonsense.

And has the center position really become so sucky that we call hibbert skilled now :facepalm ? I'm just going to copy/paste something i said in another thread

"Name one thing hibbert is good at besides sticking his hands up in the paint. Just one thing. I'll wait.

Can't shoot, can't pass, turnover prone despite not even being the team's first(or second, or third) option, foul prone, horrendous in pick and roll defense, can't run down the court."

Please help me find the skill, I dead serious really want to see it. Does getting destroyed by names like zaza pachulia and elton brand count as having skill?

[SCdac]

Hibbert made the All-Star game averaging 14 ppg :oldlol: ... his ppg fell to 13 ppg by the end of the season.

He's not unskilled, but in the history of centers, he's not elite. The crop of centers today isn't all that, unless you consider merely "above average" or "really good" as elite.

I'd love him on the Spurs, however... but not necessarily for his scoring skills.

[Mr Exlax]

People constantly discredit wilt on this board dont give me that nonsense.

And has the center position really become so sucky that we call hibbert skilled now :facepalm ? I'm just going to copy/paste something i said in another thread

"Name one thing hibbert is good at besides sticking his hands up in the paint. Just one thing. I'll wait.

Can't shoot, can't pass, turnover prone despite not even being the team's first(or second, or third) option, foul prone, horrendous in pick and roll defense, can't run down the court."

Please help me find the skill, I dead serious really want to see it. Does getting destroyed by names like zaza pachulia and elton brand count as having skill?

He's good at defense. He's good at rebounds. He can score at times. He's skilled. Nobody said he's elite though. I'll put it to you like this and I'm done. Ask Chris Bosh if he's skilled. Ask Tyson Chandler if he's skilled. Ask LeBron if he's skilled. He's more than just tall. If he didn't have skill, you could plug any big man in there and do what he does. You and I both know that ain't happening. Nobody is saying Hibbert is an alltime great. Nobody is. But to say this man isn't skilled it foolish. Apr 13 at it's finest I see.

[tmacattack33]

Hibbert's pretty skilled. Wtf is this sh*t?

[2LeTTeRS]

"Name one thing hibbert is good at besides sticking his hands up in the paint. Just one thing. I'll wait.

Can't shoot, can't pass, turnover prone despite not even being the team's first(or second, or third) option, foul prone, horrendous in pick and roll defense, can't run down the court."

Please help me find the skill, I dead serious really want to see it.

Aren't those criticisms you can make about 90% of the centers that have played for the history of the league? Hibbert is a good to great post scorer, has a pretty good mid range jumper, is a good rebounder, and a great interior defender.

Not sure why you are singling out Hibbert, if he was more athletic he would be elite.

[Nash]

Wilt would be in the NBA, but in no way be a superstar. I mean, did the man even face someone as big as Hibbert back in the day? All I see from the old Wilt videos is him surrounded by small white guys and him just basically jumping up to the basket whenever and however he wants to score a point.

[chocolatethunder]

Wilt would be in the NBA, but in no way be a superstar. I mean, did the man even face someone as big as Hibbert back in the day? All I see from the old Wilt videos is him surrounded by small white guys and him just basically jumping up to the basket whenever and however he wants to score a point.

That's because you're a f*cking moron.

[Dr. Ice]

good to great post score, has a pretty good mid range jumper

Stopped reading there but i'll humor your first point about 90% of centers anyways.

howard, asik, horford, davis, drummond, boozer, cousins, monroe, aldridge, bosh, gasol, lopez, jefferson, lee, bynum, bosh, duncan.

Just off the top of my head i just named 17 players that have played center that i couldnt make those same criticisms about. Why can't I? Because they have skill. A person like hibbert does not have skill.

[Nash]

That's because you're a f*cking moron.
If you expect Wilt to dominate today even remotely close to the way he did back then then you are the moron. All of Wilt's advantages that made him so dominant back then are gone in todays game.

[Dr. Ice]

He's good at defense. He's good at rebounds. He can score at times. He's skilled. Nobody said he's elite though. I'll put it to you like this and I'm done. Ask Chris Bosh if he's skilled. Ask Tyson Chandler if he's skilled. Ask LeBron if he's skilled. He's more than just tall. If he didn't have skill, you could plug any big man in there and do what he does. You and I both know that ain't happening. Nobody is saying Hibbert is an alltime great. Nobody is. But to say this man isn't skilled it foolish. Apr 13 at it's finest I see.

If he's more than just tall then he could do more then stick his hands in the air. He wouldn't get destroyed in pick and roll defense(just imagine if he was on a team without good wing defenders, all of this "hibbert is a great defender" nonsense would be out the window as his flaws would become immediately noticeable :facepalm). he wouldnt lose the ball the moment he grabs it. he would know how to pass a ball. He would know how to shoot higher than 45%. I noticed you never answered what he's good at besides sticking his hands in the air.

And yes, in that system that the pacers use, I'll say that 50% of players that are the exact same size and weight as hibbert could do the same thing he does, since all he is required to do is stand in the paint.

[ralph_i_el]

"Name one thing hibbert is good at besides sticking his hands up in the paint. Just one thing. I'll wait.


Standing in the right place when he puts his hands up? Can't say the same about a lot of these "defensive" centers

[Dr. Ice]

Standing in the right place when he puts his hands up? Can't say the same about a lot of these "defensive" centers
I was hoping for something way more than that but I guess I can count that. Only barely though since if that were fully true then he wouldnt always be in foul trouble.

[2LeTTeRS]

Stopped reading there but i'll humor your first point about 90% of centers anyways.

howard, asik, horford, davis, drummond, boozer, cousins, monroe, aldridge, bosh, gasol, lopez, jefferson, lee, bynum, bosh, duncan.

Just off the top of my head i just named 17 players that have played center that i couldnt make those same criticisms about. Why can't I? Because they have skill. A person like hibbert does not have skill.

First off most of those guys aren't centers. Of that list at least Boozer, Lee, Aldridge, Monroe and Davis are 4s, and I'd argue that Bosh and Horford would be better suited to play power forward as well.

Your first post stated that Roy "[c]an't shoot, can't pass, turnover prone despite not even being the team's first(or second, or third) option, foul prone, horrendous in pick and roll defense, can't run down the court." You really want to argue that Asik and Drummond can shoot or pass? Or that they are not turnover or foul prone? Or that Jefferson and Cousins can defend the pick and roll? Didn't think so.

The only true big men that your criticisms don't apply to are Marc and Pau Gasol, Duncan, and possibly Lopez (despite not being a good defender or rebounder; but you didn't mention those for some reason).

[KobesFinger]

I don't understand how he's such a poor rebounder considering he's the biggest player on the floor every game. Great on the offensive glass (quite a lot of these are his own misses) but poor on the defensive glass which is weird considering the Pacers had one of the best opponent FG% in the league.

[i cant dunk]

if Hibbert isn't a good then how the hell is Indiana so good, when your best player is Paul George you have to be pretty solid at every position (not a knock on George he's a fantastic player but he's not carrying any team anytime soon.). Hibbert's sheer presence is vital for their success.

[KyleKong]

Hibbert averages 40-45% FG in the paint and next to the basket.

Yes people, he is that bad.

[i cant dunk]

Hibbert averages 40-45% FG in the paint and next to the basket.

Yes people, he is that bad.

Stat wh0re to the rescue, The fg% has spoken disregard everything else and close this thread

[KyleKong]

Stat wh0re to the rescue, The fg% has spoken disregard everything else and close this thread

But hes really good at "raising his hands" and making anti-gay slurs. No stats for those yet. :lol

[MavsSuperFan]

The argument isnt that wilt wouldnt make the nba today, its that he played in a much less talented league and his accomplishments need to be discounted if you compare him to the players that played in a much better league, like shaq.

[aj1987]

...who sucks in every aspect of basketball besides his ability to stick his hands in the air yet is still considered by uninformed people to be a top tier center, why is it so hard for people to believe that wilt could be incredible in today's nba when all evidence and footage shows that he has actual basketball skills unlike hibbert?
I don't think that I've seen a single poster say that Wilt would be a shitty center in this era. Most people say that he will not average 50/25 (obviously), but he would still be the best center in the league.

[Dro]

You guys are being trolled heavy. Me and others have broken down Hibbert's game in an intelligent way in many threads, yet all this guy does is continue to trash Hibbert like Roy ****ed his mother or something. He shows no objectivity and every post he makes is to trash Hibbert. Its tiring and annoying. I'm sure not about to waste any more of my time with trolls. He thinks Hibbert sucks, he has a personal vendetta against the guy and its blatantly obvious and sad at the same time. Time to add this dude to the ignore list with the rest of the trolls..

[Dro]

I don't understand how he's such a poor rebounder considering he's the biggest player on the floor every game. Great on the offensive glass (quite a lot of these are his own misses) but poor on the defensive glass which is weird considering the Pacers had one of the best opponent FG% in the league.
This would be easy to see if people watched the Pacers but they don't...they just look at stats...Hibbert is slow...He's 7'2. Its hard for him to react and get to defensive rebounds that don't come almost directly to him. So instead, he just makes sure to box out his man and let somebody else get it. He has to make a decision to go for the shot block or stay down and get position for a rebound. He's not fast enough to go for the block and still recover to grab the rebound, like Dwight for instance...That is why the Pacers are still a top tier rebounding team. West, Lance, George, they get those rebounds. Its the same thing Brook Lopez does and that is why his rebound numbers are low also. But he's good at boxing out his man. I should just put Hibbert's quote in my sig if I had one.,,"You mutha****as don't watch us play anyway"...Not singling you out, just talking in general...

[Dro]

And just to prove this guy is obsessed with Roy Hibbert...


Jesus christ, if I see another uninformed ish poster put hibbert anywhere near the top 10 of centers I'm going to lose my mind

^Somebody asked him to post 10 centers better than Roy and he never came back and responded...


Seeing all of the hibbert votes honestly disgusts me. This is proof that people dont watch the pacers outside of that one heat series. He wouldnt even come close to my top 5

^Again, someone in that thread asks him to post his top 5 and he's nowhere to be found...


wtf is going on in this forum. am i the ONLY person who watched hibbert play outside of these last two games? Not only has he NOT IMPROVED, I'll even say he has regressed since last year in all places besides his rim protecting.

ISH needs to seriously stop overrating this bum, holy crap.



Actually it was paul george and david west, but thanks for giving me another example of someone who's only watched hibbert play in the last week.

^This is in response to someone who said that he was mad that Hibbert destroyed the Hawks...


hahahahah you can't be serious.

I can name atleast 5 centers i'd take over hibbert, probably 10.

Don't let this playoff series fool you

^This is in response to someone pointing out that Hibbert was an all star last season..


This guy seriously just put hibbert in the top 5...

^This in response to a guy who listed 13 centers, yet Ice singles out Hibbert again...


The better question is, who would hibbert be put over...

How on earth are you that tall yet are the worst in the league in shooting. Let's not forget to mention to fact that he's also turnover prone(despite being the darn near 5th option on the team), foul prone, cant pass, not good in transition, terrible when teams abuse him in pick and roll, and gets routinely bullied by subpar centers. The ONLY thing he's good at is shooting free throws and sticking his hands in the air if someone gets into the paint. I'm guessing you only watched him in the playoffs?

There are atleast 10 centers in the league better than him(15 if you include tweeners)

^Same thread


Nate robinson put in work in the playoffs, so i guess he's a top 5 pg huh.

Give me lopez, gasol, gasol, davis, drummond,horf, dwight, cousins, duncan, bosh, pekovic, aldridge,asik,noah, sanders and bynum before i even consider someone such as hibbert. Atleast they have actual basketball skills that they can improve, hibbert is literally only in the nba because of his height, and his constant summers of trying to improve had led to zero improvement..

Serious question to the hibbert lovers: can you name one thing he does well besides sticking his hands in the air? Anything? No? Then why would even come close to being considered a top center in the league?

^Again, same thread...trolling at its best...


He played against johan petro, a hobbled tyson chandler, and the undersized heat... what a scary player to go up against . Call me when players like zaza freakin pachulia dont limit him to 0 points 0 blocks and 1 rebound. Someone that tall should not be that bad at basketball

^Same thread...more trolling..

I think I proved my point...Dude is a sad troll who's obsessed with Hibbert and I've been noticing it. Got so annoying that I searched for all his hating remarks...Hope you guys now see there's no reason to take his comments serious. He obviously doesn't know how to have a reasonable discussion about a player's game....He was destined for the ignore list....

[Flash31]

If you expect Wilt to dominate today even remotely close to the way he did back then then you are the moron. All of Wilt's advantages that made him so dominant back then are gone in todays game.

Size,Length,Incredible Athleticism,Great Basketball IQ,One of the GOAT skilled Big Men Ever
yeah if anything his skills and advantages are even more today
especially with todays big men

None of his advantages back then are taken away except for the rule changes
but even bc of that,the stuff that was called back then isnt today so he could do like Shaq and Simply overpower people to the basket

Wilt wasnt some little weak skilled c or just BIG and Athletic

In todays era Wilt would be classified as 7'3,280-300 pounds
and he would be the goat skilled big man and most athletic by far

Instead of Thurmond,Russell,Kareem,Reed
he gets to go up against
Dwight,Lopez,Hibbert,Gasol
its not even a contest

[KobesFinger]

This would be easy to see if people watched the Pacers but they don't...they just look at stats...Hibbert is slow...He's 7'2. Its hard for him to react and get to defensive rebounds that don't come almost directly to him. So instead, he just makes sure to box out his man and let somebody else get it. He has to make a decision to go for the shot block or stay down and get position for a rebound. He's not fast enough to go for the block and still recover to grab the rebound, like Dwight for instance...That is why the Pacers are still a top tier rebounding team. West, Lance, George, they get those rebounds. Its the same thing Brook Lopez does and that is why his rebound numbers are low also. But he's good at boxing out his man. I should just put Hibbert's quote in my sig if I had one.,,"You mutha****as don't watch us play anyway"...Not singling you out, just talking in general...

Fair enough but what about Andrew Bynum? He might be the slowest player in the league, he's 7'0 or maybe 7'1. In his last season in LA, he averaged 12 a game playing next to Pau who also averaged 10 and Kobe and Matt Barnes each averaged around 5. LA was 2nd in rebounds to Chicago IIRC.

[Dr. Ice]

You guys are being trolled heavy. Me and others have broken down Hibbert's game in an intelligent way in many threads, yet all this guy does is continue to trash Hibbert like Roy ****ed his mother or something. He shows no objectivity and every post he makes is to trash Hibbert. Its tiring and annoying. I'm sure not about to waste any more of my time with trolls. He thinks Hibbert sucks, he has a personal vendetta against the guy and its blatantly obvious and sad at the same time. Time to add this dude to the ignore list with the rest of the trolls..

Lmao did someone actually look at my post history :biggums: who knew talking about hibbert in 3 threads where people gave him unneeded praise meant a person was obssessed. I hate all overrated players equally. Also, If you're gonna copy my posts atleast get it right because in that thread i clearly listed the many centers that are better than him :facepalm

This was supposed to be more about wilt anyways, who else was i gonna compare him to, jason collins? I needed a starter that people consider to be good who doesnt show many basketball skills besides height to prove my point.

[get these NETS]

I was in a thread about Hibbert and a Pacers fan pointed out to me...one of Hibbert's problems... lack of lower body strength

because of this....you can guard him with shorter players who can push him out of position

yao gave shaq fits partly because his legs were like oak trees, for example

hibbert is built like young jason collins....he has bulk but no real strength

[salwan]

Hibbert certainly isn't an unskilled bum. Yeah, his game isn't aestheticly pleasing for the eye and he should score more given his size. But he's got a fine repertoire of hook shots and jump hooks. I think it's more down to his passiveness

[Mr Exlax]

This would be easy to see if people watched the Pacers but they don't...they just look at stats...Hibbert is slow...He's 7'2. Its hard for him to react and get to defensive rebounds that don't come almost directly to him. So instead, he just makes sure to box out his man and let somebody else get it. He has to make a decision to go for the shot block or stay down and get position for a rebound. He's not fast enough to go for the block and still recover to grab the rebound, like Dwight for instance...That is why the Pacers are still a top tier rebounding team. West, Lance, George, they get those rebounds. Its the same thing Brook Lopez does and that is why his rebound numbers are low also. But he's good at boxing out his man. I should just put Hibbert's quote in my sig if I had one.,,"You mutha****as don't watch us play anyway"...Not singling you out, just talking in general...

:bowdown:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen. No "good to great post scorer" only has 45% FG and how are you gonna tell me he can't get rebounds because of his athleticism? Zach Randolph is a rebounding machine and he's fat as **** don't tell me Roy Hibbert can't get more rebounds. He's not bad, but he's incredibly overpaid and one of the more unworthy all-star selections in recent years.

[2LeTTeRS]

Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen. No "good to great post scorer" only has 45% FG

So wait only bad players struggle now? He just wasn't right last year to start the season; and because of it he struggled (41% before the all-star break); but he righted the ship and shot 51% after the break, and then proved in the playoffs that he can dominate favorable matchups.

I'd say that was sufficient to say he had at minimum a "good" post game.


and how are you gonna tell me he can't get rebounds because of his athleticism? Zach Randolph is a rebounding machine and he's fat as **** don't tell me Roy Hibbert can't get more rebounds. He's not bad, but he's incredibly overpaid and one of the more unworthy all-star selections in recent years.

I don't watch the Pacers enough to know if Dro's rationale is correct or not; but did you know that the Pacers had the league's best rebound rate last year? Hibbert may not be pulling down 12 rebounds a game; but whatever he'is doing on the boards isn't hurting his squad.

[tpols]

Hibbert is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen. No "good to great post scorer" only has 45% FG and how are you gonna tell me he can't get rebounds because of his athleticism? Zach Randolph is a rebounding machine and he's fat as **** don't tell me Roy Hibbert can't get more rebounds. He's not bad, but he's incredibly overpaid and one of the more unworthy all-star selections in recent years.
Zach Randolph is very coordinated.. and knows how to throw his body around. Quick hands and reflexes too.


Hibbert is the definition of slow motion in all his movements. Its the same with Brook Lopez. Its coordination. I bet zach randolph would slap either silly in a sparring session or kill them in a game of ping pong. Athleticism isnt only about hops.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Hey I don't think he's bad, I think he's overrated, his presence in the lane alone is better defense than half of the other centers in the league but he's quite foul prone despite not being whistled nearly as often in the playoffs. He's certainly not an athletic big and I wouldn't put him in top tier levels of skill either. To me, that makes him unworthy of all star selection

[Dro]

Fair enough but what about Andrew Bynum? He might be the slowest player in the league, he's 7'0 or maybe 7'1. In his last season in LA, he averaged 12 a game playing next to Pau who also averaged 10 and Kobe and Matt Barnes each averaged around 5. LA was 2nd in rebounds to Chicago IIRC.
I can't dispute that. All I can say is Bynum is more athletic and quicker off his feet than most people his size. He's a better rebounder than Hibbert.

[KobesFinger]

I can't dispute that. All I can say is Bynum is more athletic and quicker off his feet than most people his size. He's a better rebounder than Hibbert.

I love Bynum's game and he was prepared to stay in LA, I wish we had kept him. Dwight's a better defensive presence but Bynum is better offensively and he fit with Pau. If we kept him we also probably wouldn't have hired MDA

[Dro]

I love Bynum's game and he was prepared to stay in LA, I wish we had kept him. Dwight's a better defensive presence but Bynum is better offensively and he fit with Pau. If we kept him we also probably wouldn't have hired MDA
I agree with you. Bynum was a better fit in L.A. Him and Pau had good high post/low post chemistry. Hibbert and West play exactly the same except they sometimes switch high post/low post positions.

[KobesFinger]

I agree with you. Bynum was a better fit in L.A. Him and Pau had good high post/low post chemistry. Hibbert and West play exactly the same except they sometimes switch high post/low post positions.

I see your point but I'd say they aren't exactly the same as West can stay in the high post because his jumper is better than Pau's but from what I've seen he rarely if ever receives the ball there with the intention of him making a play, which is what Pau does quite often.

[TheReal Kendall]

...who sucks in every aspect of basketball besides his ability to stick his hands in the air yet is still considered by uninformed people to be a top tier center, why is it so hard for people to believe that wilt could be incredible in today's nba when all evidence and footage shows that he has actual basketball skills unlike hibbert?

http://i.imgur.com/aSGGIwE.gif

[andremiller07]

He's a good player but he's not a top 5 centre like many on here suggest, that whole Indiana team is just so solid people forget about David West who was probs there most consistent player.

[97 bulls]

Ive said this many-a-time and ill say it again. Roy Hibbert is nothing more than Luc Longley playing against lesser centers. If he had to go against Shaq, Olajuwan, Drob, Mourning, Mutombo, Ewing, Smits, Divac, Seikley, every night youd see it.